Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[JoeB131]

So the good ones don’t want to get paid? What is the net worth of Dr. James Andrews? You’re dumb.

The Good Ones aren't doing it for the money.... but this is a concept I doubt you'd understand...

 

[CowboyTed]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Work in Germany... Pretty well... 100% coverage, cheaper than US, private option always there...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

 

[Lesh]

The richest country in the world with the best healthcare in the world "can"t do healthcare for all of it's citizens but poorer countries with less good healthcare abilities can?

On what planet does that make sense?

 

[JoeB131]

Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

Medical Tourism is a myth. More Americans travel to Mexico for cheap treatment than foreigners to America for "Good" Treatment.

The fact that some rich person from Saudi Arabia can get a treatment here your insurance won't cover is nothing to be proud of.

 

[Markle]

Wrong.
There actually are likely more like 100 million uninsured.

Flat out lie. That renders anything else you have to say worthless as well.

 

[CowboyTed]

Name one time I claimed to be anything. I was Never in the JAG but my wife was. LOL. And she says people like you are the scum of the earth

Make up your mind, buddy. We weren't talking about other members of your family.

The discussion was whether or not one of us had a DD214. You claimed you did, because you were in JAG.

Earlier in this discussion, you claimed it was unfair that you spent 400K on Medical School, and now the mean old government was going to set prices to what they cost to deliver services...

I think in some other thread, you claimed to be a Mixed Martial Arts Expert.

Seriously, it becomes a true effort to keep you story straight, Barbie....

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No dickhead. I never Said that.

It was pretty shocking but my wife told me that in the military there were all kinds of bad people committing awful crimes of assault, rape, murder and conspiracy but the worst people she said were those who bitched about being in the military and about our country. Scum of the Earth and that is you. I never claimed to be ex military. I went to college and to grad school. I run my own business. Find one post where I said I was ex military just one. You lying loser. You cannot.

I never said I spent $400k, I said that is what the cost is to become a doctor you moronic fool. Find the post where I said “I “ was a doctor you loser.

You see what you want to see. But I do run my own business consulting practice and I used to teach MMA. Those statements are factual.

You know what else is factual? You’re a pussy.

So criticising an organisation you work in is worse than rape.... Those women who got raped probably said something bad about Army and deserved it...

So critiquing the US should carry the same punishment as rape or murder... We if you bitch about the country's leader you are bitching about how the country is run and thus you get the same punishment as rape or murder. This is for the betterment of the country.

Thinking about it, there is a lot of people who complain (bitch) about the country... We might need to increase where we hold them and lets be honest if you take away dad or mom the rest of the family complain (bitch) so they need to be brought to camp perhaps... A camp would seem to be sensible...
Now land as people know is expensive so we probably have to find a place where we can keep them employed (no freeloaders) and cheap on land. Got it!!! Alaska.. In there free time which they will have a lot they can do a bit of mining...

Can't see anything that could go possibly wrong...

 

[Markle]

You can include all the Koch Brother propaganda you want. Single Payer Medicare for all... that's the gold standard. It's how the rest of the world does it.

How is anything the "Gold Standard" when it is such a failure in other countries and Medicare is economically a failure in our country?

That's... retarded.

Here's how you make UHC work. Get rid of the insurance companies, one single payer, they pay the hospitals ONLY what it costs to provide a service and no more. This isn't fucking complicated. Stop ripping off sick people and start with the premise that health care is a right and not a profit opportunity.

Elizabeth Warren couldn't explain how in the world this could be paid for but I'll be if she asked you, you could solve the problem. Where does all this money come from?

Her plan, as you know, costs $20 TRILLION over ten years PLUS 2 MILLION JOBS.

Specifically where and how?

Just as importantly, or more important. Why do you demand inferior health care for our citizens?

 

[JoeB131]

How is anything the "Gold Standard" when it is such a failure in other countries and Medicare is economically a failure in our country?

Tell you what. You guys run on abolishing Medicare and telling those old folks to get their own health insurance.

Please. Please do it.

Elizabeth Warren couldn't explain how in the world this could be paid for but I'll be if she asked you, you could solve the problem. Where does all this money come from?

Her plan, as you know, costs $20 TRILLION over ten years PLUS 2 MILLION JOBS.

Specifically where and how?

Just as importantly, or more important. Why do you demand inferior health care for our citizens?

Simple. We spend 17% of a 20 Trillion GDP on health care now That's 3.4 TRILLION we are already spending. So if Medicare for all only costs 2 Trillion a year, then we are saving 1.4 Trillion.

And those 2 million parasites in the insurance industry can find honest jobs... that was simple.

 

[Markle]

Medical Tourism is a myth. More Americans travel to Mexico for cheap treatment than foreigners to America for "Good" Treatment.

The fact that some rich person from Saudi Arabia can get a treatment here your insurance won't cover is nothing to be proud of.

 

[Markle]

Simple. We spend 17% of a 20 Trillion GDP on health care now That's 3.4 TRILLION we are already spending. So if Medicare for all only costs 2 Trillion a year, then we are saving 1.4 Trillion.

And those 2 million parasites in the insurance industry can find honest jobs... that was simple.

 

[Markle]

The Europeans have longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, and they beat us on nearly every health metric. Even the British NHS, which is chronically underfunded.

I already demonstrated the FACTUAL reasons for the difference in life expectancy. Either you are incapable of learning or live in denial. Or you could just be a chronic liar. Which?

Life expectancy is a whole different thing. EVEN the United Nations no longer tallies the "quality" of health care since it had more criteria for the availability of Socialist care than actual care. Also, it was stopped because each country self-reported and different countries have far different measures for infant mortality rates.

 

[Markle]

JoeB, do you have dementia? Europeans are not as fat, don’t drive as many miles and don’t have the same drug culture as Americans. That is why they live on average, what a year longer. I have explained this to you countless times.

Yeah, you use all these excuses... I've heard them all before, and they are all bullshit.

Has it occured to you that the reason they have less addiction and obesity problems is because they have regular access to health care Americans don't?

Of course not. You are just thinking, "I can't rip off sick people? OY VEY!"

And after all these posts, you refuse to post a reliable source or working link supporting your lies.

Why?

 

[Markle]

You really don't "need" to see a doctor for any of those issues.

If you're addicted, quit.

If you want to lose weight , diet. Socialized Medicine doesn't mean that people will get liposuction on demand.

No, but they do get Laprocopic surgery and other treatments.... in fact, a lot of these procedures were developed in Europe.

 

[CowboyTed]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

So a rich foreigner can get treated but a US citizen can't and you go success...

Again and we keep on repeating this... This discussion is not about the quality of the treatment (which is a different issue), it is about access...

Any first world country can tomorrow morning have the best treatment centers in the world with close to 100% successful outcomes... Just don't treat sick people... Do you think taking out people with preexisting conditions is about treating sick people?

 

[Polishprince]

Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

Medical Tourism is a myth. More Americans travel to Mexico for cheap treatment than foreigners to America for "Good" Treatment.

The fact that some rich person from Saudi Arabia can get a treatment here your insurance won't cover is nothing to be proud of.

Tell that to Greg Norman who came to America for orthopedic surgery from Australia, or Canadian Alex Trebek in America for his pancreatic treatments or Englishman Mick Jagger traveling to the United States coming here for his complicated heart surgery.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So the good ones don’t want to get paid? What is the net worth of Dr. James Andrews? You’re dumb.

The Good Ones aren't doing it for the money.... but this is a concept I doubt you'd understand...

And you have proof of this of course? You live in a fantasy world. No wonder you play soldier and with barbies.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Work in Germany... Pretty well... 100% coverage, cheaper than US, private option always there...

The key is that “private option always there”.

 

[gipper]

The richest country in the world with the best healthcare in the world "can"t do healthcare for all of it's citizens but poorer countries with less good healthcare abilities can?

On what planet does that make sense?

Correct but the richest nation in the world can bail out the big banks and make them bigger and more powerful, electronically print enormous amount of money via the Fed and give it to the richest 1%, spend a trillion dollars annually to fund imperialism and the war machine.

The richest nation in the world needs to rethink priorities...no?

 

[CowboyTed]

The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:

• Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
• A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
• Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
• Large immigrated population
• Good Environmental Standards
• Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?