Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[JoeB131]

The one percenters will have an army to blow your ass away when you come for them.

But, please go for it.

Picking your dead ass up from the street will be a liberating day.

Yeah, the Tsar thought that, too. Until his Army dropped their rifles and turned on him.

We have an army made up of mostly poor people looking for college eduacations that never happen... you think they are going to turn their guns on their families for rich people? You're delusional.

Contract or not, they AGREED to the wage they receive by accepting the job. If you don't like it - QUIT. Nobody is forcing you to be there. If you think you're worth more, find a job that will pay you more. Why is this anyone's problem but YOURS?

Why should people keep putting up with that sort of shit? So if the people decide to solve the problem by voting in socialism?

Here's the thing. I'm sort of frightened that the clown from Vermont, who everyone treated as a joke for the last 40 years, is now a major player. But that's the shit sandwich that Capitalism and the One Percent have served up.

Actually , most Cubans want Freedom- they don't want communism. And America has kept a hands-off policy in regards to Cuba. The communist despots in charge stole a lot of American property, and we've just basically said "fuck it".

Yeah, we've been telling ourselves that for 60 years... But it never happens.

 

[Polishprince]

Yeah, we've been telling ourselves that for 60 years... But it never happens.

Remember the Berlin Wall and Communism in Central and Eastern Europe.

When I was a kid, the consensus was that the people of Poland, East Germany, Slovakia, etc., loved Tyranny just like Americans love freedom.

The thought was that the East German were made sick by the thought that they could live without an all-powerful government bureaucracy telling them what to do and what to think. They were presumed to be ready to fight to the death for Despotism.

Turned out to be bullshit.

As soon as the wall fell, it turned out they wanted freedom just like Americans.

The day will come for Cuba as well.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That’s crazy. So should everyone have the same level of housing, automobiles and clothes? Sorry. If they want it they need to work for it. This is not communism.

This isn't communism yet.

People like you will probably get us there, though.

If 50% of people would benefit more from Communism than Capitalism, then why would they vote for more Capitalism?

Here's the thing.

40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. Another 20% have less than 4% of the wealth.

The 20% above that, where I am at, have 7% of the wealth. Probably doing just well enough to not really want socialism, but we can see the system is unfair. They know they are doing okay, but one serious illness could wipe them out completely.

The top 20% that have 83% of the wealth benefit from the status quo...

Here is the thing, link those numbers. Most people
Do not want communism and even the candidates running for President don’t want UH sans Sanders and Warren. You want it because you have done poorly in your life and blame others for your failures. In communism you would have the same kind of discrepancy. Pretty sure Stalin and those close to him lived like kings while others struggled to barely get by.

 

[Polishprince]

That’s crazy. So should everyone have the same level of housing, automobiles and clothes? Sorry. If they want it they need to work for it. This is not communism.

This isn't communism yet.

People like you will probably get us there, though.

If 50% of people would benefit more from Communism than Capitalism, then why would they vote for more Capitalism?

Here's the thing.

40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. Another 20% have less than 4% of the wealth.

The 20% above that, where I am at, have 7% of the wealth. Probably doing just well enough to not really want socialism, but we can see the system is unfair. They know they are doing okay, but one serious illness could wipe them out completely.

The top 20% that have 83% of the wealth benefit from the status quo...

Here is the thing, link those numbers. Most people
Do not want communism and even the candidates running for President don’t want UH sans Sanders and Warren. You want it because you have done poorly in your life and blame others for your failures. In communism you would have the same kind of discrepancy. Pretty sure Stalin and those close to him lived like kings while others struggled to barely get by.

The difference is that under capitalism, most people are doing fine. There are those who would be happier if a lot more people were pathetic losers like them.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

They should pay for it.

So by your logic, a little black girl should die of a treatable disease because her parents can't afford it?

Just asking.

I'm reminded of the story of the two bears... one spent the summer playing while the other spent the summer fattening up for hibernation.

The fat bear told the skinny one that he should have done more to get ready, and then went off to sleep.

The skinny one went into the cave and ate him.

Why black girl? You’re so racist. We have Medicaid for poor people who cannot afford medical care. But an old fat racist white guy(you) should have to pay for his medical insurance. Hell you make a mighty $80k per year. LOL.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That’s crazy. So should everyone have the same level of housing, automobiles and clothes? Sorry. If they want it they need to work for it. This is not communism.

This isn't communism yet.

People like you will probably get us there, though.

If 50% of people would benefit more from Communism than Capitalism, then why would they vote for more Capitalism?

Here's the thing.

40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. Another 20% have less than 4% of the wealth.

The 20% above that, where I am at, have 7% of the wealth. Probably doing just well enough to not really want socialism, but we can see the system is unfair. They know they are doing okay, but one serious illness could wipe them out completely.

The top 20% that have 83% of the wealth benefit from the status quo...

Here is the thing, link those numbers. Most people
Do not want communism and even the candidates running for President don’t want UH sans Sanders and Warren. You want it because you have done poorly in your life and blame others for your failures. In communism you would have the same kind of discrepancy. Pretty sure Stalin and those close to him lived like kings while others struggled to barely get by.

The difference is that under capitalism, most people are doing fine. There are those who would be happier if a lot more people were pathetic losers like them.

I would like idiots like JoeB to explain to me when someone like Bill Gates became an evil rich guy. When he got into Harvard? After he dropped out? When he started MSFT? When he made his first million? Billion? When exactly was it?

 

[Polishprince]

That’s crazy. So should everyone have the same level of housing, automobiles and clothes? Sorry. If they want it they need to work for it. This is not communism.

This isn't communism yet.

People like you will probably get us there, though.

If 50% of people would benefit more from Communism than Capitalism, then why would they vote for more Capitalism?

Here's the thing.

40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. Another 20% have less than 4% of the wealth.

The 20% above that, where I am at, have 7% of the wealth. Probably doing just well enough to not really want socialism, but we can see the system is unfair. They know they are doing okay, but one serious illness could wipe them out completely.

The top 20% that have 83% of the wealth benefit from the status quo...

Here is the thing, link those numbers. Most people
Do not want communism and even the candidates running for President don’t want UH sans Sanders and Warren. You want it because you have done poorly in your life and blame others for your failures. In communism you would have the same kind of discrepancy. Pretty sure Stalin and those close to him lived like kings while others struggled to barely get by.

The difference is that under capitalism, most people are doing fine. There are those who would be happier if a lot more people were pathetic losers like them.

I would like idiots like JoeB to explain to me when someone like Bill Gates became an evil rich guy. When he got into Harvard? After he dropped out? When he started MSFT? When he made his first million? Billion? When exactly was it?

Libs refuse to even admit WHY people like Gates or Bezos- or Westinghouse and Frick in a previous generation- became super-rich in the first place.

Bezos, like him or hate him, is an innovator who is transforming shopping and is this generation's answer to Sam Walton and Sebastian S. Kresge. He came up with a big new idea, and acted upon it. It has nothing to do with "abusing" warehouse workers. There are plenty of employers who abused their employees a lot worse and failed.

Similarly, guys like HC Frick were no harder on their employees that any other industrialist including those who failed. Frick just was able to innovate with technology, make steel a lot more economic alternative, and then sell it to others to build skyscrapers and vehicles. It wasn't that he paid less and worked people harder. He worked smarter

 

[danielpalos]

Solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment with unemployment compensation is simpler and the legal and physical infrastructure already exists in our Republic.

easy and convenient under our form of capitalism.

 

[JoeB131]

Here is the thing, link those numbers. Most people
Do not want communism and even the candidates running for President don’t want UH sans Sanders and Warren. You want it because you have done poorly in your life and blame others for your failures. In communism you would have the same kind of discrepancy. Pretty sure Stalin and those close to him lived like kings while others struggled to barely get by.

Warren and Sanders both lead Trump in most polls.

I don't particularly want socialism or communism. I mean, it would be worth it if the money-grubbers got theirs, but an ideal situation would be to go back to what we had before Reagan fucked it all up.

 

[JoeB131]

I would like idiots like JoeB to explain to me when someone like Bill Gates became an evil rich guy. When he got into Harvard? After he dropped out? When he started MSFT? When he made his first million? Billion? When exactly was it?

When he fucked over Netscape by including a browser in the Windows 98 Operating system. That's when he became evil.

 

[JoeB131]

Why black girl? You’re so racist. We have Medicaid for poor people who cannot afford medical care. But an old fat racist white guy(you) should have to pay for his medical insurance. Hell you make a mighty $80k per year. LOL.

Actually, everyone should get the same level of health care. That little girl, you, me and Bill Gates.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Here is the thing, link those numbers. Most people
Do not want communism and even the candidates running for President don’t want UH sans Sanders and Warren. You want it because you have done poorly in your life and blame others for your failures. In communism you would have the same kind of discrepancy. Pretty sure Stalin and those close to him lived like kings while others struggled to barely get by.

Warren and Sanders both lead Trump in most polls.

I don't particularly want socialism or communism. I mean, it would be worth it if the money-grubbers got theirs, but an ideal situation would be to go back to what we had before Reagan fucked it all up.

They do? Then you should be all set. Reagan? LOL barely remember him.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I would like idiots like JoeB to explain to me when someone like Bill Gates became an evil rich guy. When he got into Harvard? After he dropped out? When he started MSFT? When he made his first million? Billion? When exactly was it?

When he fucked over Netscape by including a browser in the Windows 98 Operating system. That's when he became evil.

So in 1998 he became “evil”? LOL

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why black girl? You’re so racist. We have Medicaid for poor people who cannot afford medical care. But an old fat racist white guy(you) should have to pay for his medical insurance. Hell you make a mighty $80k per year. LOL.

Actually, everyone should get the same level of health care. That little girl, you, me and Bill Gates.

Why is that? Should everyone get the same level of food and housing too? Do tell.

 

[JoeB131]

They do? Then you should be all set. Reagan? LOL barely remember him.

That's obvious.... you probably don't remember what a middle class looked like... I do.

Why is that? Should everyone get the same level of food and housing too? Do tell.

No one should go hungry...

But health care should be a public service... just like it is in the rest of the industrialized world. Fuck, even the ZIONIST ENTITY has universal health care, paid for by American Taxpayers, of course.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

They do? Then you should be all set. Reagan? LOL barely remember him.

That's obvious.... you probably don't remember what a middle class looked like... I do.

Why is that? Should everyone get the same level of food and housing too? Do tell.

No one should go hungry...

But health care should be a public service... just like it is in the rest of the industrialized world. Fuck, even the ZIONIST ENTITY has universal health care, paid for by American Taxpayers, of course.

Why? Why is healthcare a right and not food? People can get healthcare here. No hospital will turn you away.

 

[Dragonlady]

Why black girl? You’re so racist. We have Medicaid for poor people who cannot afford medical care. But an old fat racist white guy(you) should have to pay for his medical insurance. Hell you make a mighty $80k per year. LOL.

Actually, everyone should get the same level of health care. That little girl, you, me and Bill Gates.

Why is that? Should everyone get the same level of food and housing too? Do tell.

Because her life is worth just as much as his life, that's why. Why should he be saved and this girl left to die?

My sister is very ill right now. She has a form of arthritis which is attacking her heart and lungs. Doctors initially thought she had lung cancer. There is a very expensive drug which will slow the progress of this disease. My sister is not rich. She lives with her husband in a nice brick bungalow in a pretty little town in Quebec. They work hard and pay their taxes, and have a nice retirement, but they are solidly working class. Are you saying that she should be allowed to die because she can't afford to pay for this drug?

My sister will receive this drug at no cost to her because that's how universal health care works. She's going to have to jump through a few hoops to get it, but her health care team has already booked the appointments and tests she needs to get the approval. Sick people get treatment, regardless of their economic station. She gets the same treatment that Bill Gates would get if he was a Canadian and had the same illness. The only difference is that Gates would probably elect to pay for it himself, and avoid the extra testing and approvals, although he would be eligible to have it funded, just like my sister.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why black girl? You’re so racist. We have Medicaid for poor people who cannot afford medical care. But an old fat racist white guy(you) should have to pay for his medical insurance. Hell you make a mighty $80k per year. LOL.

Actually, everyone should get the same level of health care. That little girl, you, me and Bill Gates.

Why is that? Should everyone get the same level of food and housing too? Do tell.

Because her life is worth just as much as his life, that's why. Why should he be saved and this girl left to die?

My sister is very ill right now. She has a form of arthritis which is attacking her heart and lungs. Doctors initially thought she had lung cancer. There is a very expensive drug which will slow the progress of this disease. My sister is not rich. She lives with her husband in a nice brick bungalow in a pretty little town in Quebec. They work hard and pay their taxes, and have a nice retirement, but they are solidly working class. Are you saying that she should be allowed to die because she can't afford to pay for this drug?

My sister will receive this drug at no cost to her because that's how universal health care works. She's going to have to jump through a few hoops to get it, but her health care team has already booked the appointments and tests she needs to get the approval. Sick people get treatment, regardless of their economic station. She gets the same treatment that Bill Gates would get if he was a Canadian and had the same illness. The only difference is that Gates would probably elect to pay for it himself, and avoid the extra testing and approvals, although he would be eligible to have it funded, just like my sister.

1. Sorry about your sister
2. If she had insurance and many working class (most) people do she would still be fully covered
3. What tax rate has she been paying and her husband been paying since they have been fully employed?
4. In the US anyone can become a citizen so long as they are born here. Same in Canada except you don't border a country that keeps sending millions of illegals.
5. Canada spends a pittance on military because the US basically protects it.
6. Last year, Canadian patients forewent $1.9 billion in wages while waiting for medical treatment, according to a report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think-tank. Canadian patients face some of the longest waits for care in the industrialized world due to their government-run system's strict rationing.
   
7. Last year, Canadians waited an average of five months for medically necessary specialist treatments after receiving a referral from a general practitioner, according to the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank.
   
8. Canadians seeking an MRI can expect to wait 11 weeks, while those in need of neurosurgery face an average wait of more than 11 months.
   
9. The evidence from the United Kingdom's single-payer system — the National Health Service — is even less encouraging. Unlike in Canada, the U.K. allows patients to purchase private coverage outside of the government-run system. But the majority of Brits who rely on NHS hospitals face what the British Red Cross recently described as a "humanitarian crisis."
   
   That's not an exaggeration. Chronic overcrowding forced 20 hospitals to issue "black alerts" earlier this year, meaning that they couldn't guarantee life-saving emergency care. Last year, more than 2 million Britons waited more than four hours for emergency-room care.
   
   
10. A recent analysis of health systems in 11 wealthy nations found that Canadians faced the longest wait times — and not just for specialist care. Delays for family care and emergency room treatment were also the longest among peer nations.
    
    These treatment delays can injure or even kill patients. Long wait times were a factor in 44,000 Canadian women's deaths from 1993 to 2009.

Canadians Pay A High Price For Free Health Care


I believe in free markets and if that little girl cannot afford care then we should have Medicaid for the poor but not for EVERYONE because then we all suffer equally not benefit equally.

 

[Dragonlady]

Why black girl? You’re so racist. We have Medicaid for poor people who cannot afford medical care. But an old fat racist white guy(you) should have to pay for his medical insurance. Hell you make a mighty $80k per year. LOL.

Actually, everyone should get the same level of health care. That little girl, you, me and Bill Gates.

Why is that? Should everyone get the same level of food and housing too? Do tell.

Because her life is worth just as much as his life, that's why. Why should he be saved and this girl left to die?

My sister is very ill right now. She has a form of arthritis which is attacking her heart and lungs. Doctors initially thought she had lung cancer. There is a very expensive drug which will slow the progress of this disease. My sister is not rich. She lives with her husband in a nice brick bungalow in a pretty little town in Quebec. They work hard and pay their taxes, and have a nice retirement, but they are solidly working class. Are you saying that she should be allowed to die because she can't afford to pay for this drug?

My sister will receive this drug at no cost to her because that's how universal health care works. She's going to have to jump through a few hoops to get it, but her health care team has already booked the appointments and tests she needs to get the approval. Sick people get treatment, regardless of their economic station. She gets the same treatment that Bill Gates would get if he was a Canadian and had the same illness. The only difference is that Gates would probably elect to pay for it himself, and avoid the extra testing and approvals, although he would be eligible to have it funded, just like my sister.

1. Sorry about your sister
2. If she had insurance and many working class (most) people do she would still be fully covered
3. What tax rate has she been paying and her husband been paying since they have been fully employed?
4. In the US anyone can become a citizen so long as they are born here. Same in Canada except you don't border a country that keeps sending millions of illegals.
5. Canada spends a pittance on military because the US basically protects it.
6. Last year, Canadian patients forewent $1.9 billion in wages while waiting for medical treatment, according to a report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think-tank. Canadian patients face some of the longest waits for care in the industrialized world due to their government-run system's strict rationing.
   
7. Last year, Canadians waited an average of five months for medically necessary specialist treatments after receiving a referral from a general practitioner, according to the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank.
   
8. Canadians seeking an MRI can expect to wait 11 weeks, while those in need of neurosurgery face an average wait of more than 11 months.
   
9. The evidence from the United Kingdom's single-payer system — the National Health Service — is even less encouraging. Unlike in Canada, the U.K. allows patients to purchase private coverage outside of the government-run system. But the majority of Brits who rely on NHS hospitals face what the British Red Cross recently described as a "humanitarian crisis."
   
   That's not an exaggeration. Chronic overcrowding forced 20 hospitals to issue "black alerts" earlier this year, meaning that they couldn't guarantee life-saving emergency care. Last year, more than 2 million Britons waited more than four hours for emergency-room care.
   
   
10. A recent analysis of health systems in 11 wealthy nations found that Canadians faced the longest wait times — and not just for specialist care. Delays for family care and emergency room treatment were also the longest among peer nations.
    
    These treatment delays can injure or even kill patients. Long wait times were a factor in 44,000 Canadian women's deaths from 1993 to 2009.

Canadians Pay A High Price For Free Health Care


I believe in free markets and if that little girl cannot afford care then we should have Medicaid for the poor but not for EVERYONE because then we all suffer equally not benefit equally.

Your article is another righit wing scare piece. No system is perfect and all of them can be improved, but the bare bones statistics are that Canadians have longer life expectancies, and better outcomes than Americans. American women have the highest rate of matenal mortality in the first world, and their children have the highest rate of infant mortality. Your article mentions 44,000 deaths because of wait times over a 16 year period. The USA sees 45,000 people PER YEAR who die because they don't have health insurance coverage, and access to timely health care.

Try a more balanced piece:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...71c78e-d4d6-11e9-9610-fb56c5522e1c_story.html

My sister IS fully covered by our single payer health care system. All of her doctors visits, hospital stays, tests and treatments are covered. She has been unable to work for the past 6 years due to medical problems and would never have been able to afford private coverage due to "pre-existing conditions". If she lived in the USA, she'd be dead by now, and her husband would be bankrupted by the co-pays.

 

[dblack]

Why black girl? You’re so racist. We have Medicaid for poor people who cannot afford medical care. But an old fat racist white guy(you) should have to pay for his medical insurance. Hell you make a mighty $80k per year. LOL.

Actually, everyone should get the same level of health care. That little girl, you, me and Bill Gates.

Why is that? Should everyone get the same level of food and housing too? Do tell.

Actually, that's what they're after, yes. It's a dullard's fantasy, to be sure, and nothing socialism will ever give them - but it is their dream.