Unpatriotic Dems In Virginia Erases Confederate Holiday

[Mr Natural]

Traitors don’t deserve holidays.

 

[Correll]

My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

Tell me which part you claim to be ignorant of, and promise that you will admit it, when I post documentation, and I will be happy to do so.

As to the Professor, just being an Authority, is not a supporting argument. Your desire to Appeal to Authority is denied. Her assertion was weakly supported at best. A few statements from a few people, across generations of time, and vast geographical areas and scores of millions of people, prove nothing.

That was my point with, "Karen who"? I thought I spelled that out well enough, in the portion of the post you cut.

The fact REMAINS, like it or lump it, that she's qualified to speak on this and you're not. You don't even frickin' acknowledge its existence. That's why you cut out vast sections of my post that proved its existence.

As far as the "everybody (white) was fine with it", I covered that literally hundreds of posts ago, last week. You cut that one out too.

As I said, if you're going to sit in the corner going you can successfully block it out but it never means it isn't there.

I willing to listen to the argument she makes, or any evidence she supports. But all you showed me, was an assertion very weakly supported by a few quotes from individuals that were not representing or leading the movement that she was attacking.

If I said that the Democratic Party was the party of racism, and as support from my position, I offered some quotes from a few party officials at the country level in LA and NYC, that would not support my argument.


What you need is something from the founding documents or formal policy position or at last long standing practice, by the group as a whole to smear the group as a whole.


My point was not that she was not qualified to speak, but that Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy and her argument was weak.



My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

It is the Democratic Party fighting to end Confederate celebrations

Guess which party wants to continue them?

The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.

Agree

Republicans treat southern racists the same as American patriots who fought for freedom

Tens of millions of Southerns do not support historical statues because they are are racist. You are smearing good people to justify YOUR RACISM.

 

[Correll]

Traitors don’t deserve holidays.

America as a whole, forgave that long ago.


Stop trying to reopen long healed wounds.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

The fact REMAINS, like it or lump it, that she's qualified to speak on this and you're not. You don't even frickin' acknowledge its existence. That's why you cut out vast sections of my post that proved its existence.

As far as the "everybody (white) was fine with it", I covered that literally hundreds of posts ago, last week. You cut that one out too.

As I said, if you're going to sit in the corner going you can successfully block it out but it never means it isn't there.

I willing to listen to the argument she makes, or any evidence she supports. But all you showed me, was an assertion very weakly supported by a few quotes from individuals that were not representing or leading the movement that she was attacking.

If I said that the Democratic Party was the party of racism, and as support from my position, I offered some quotes from a few party officials at the country level in LA and NYC, that would not support my argument.


What you need is something from the founding documents or formal policy position or at last long standing practice, by the group as a whole to smear the group as a whole.


My point was not that she was not qualified to speak, but that Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy and her argument was weak.



My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

It is the Democratic Party fighting to end Confederate celebrations

Guess which party wants to continue them?

The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.

The white southerners were among those who voted AGAINST using taxpayer money to honor traitors

But I am guessing those "white southerners" don't count because their side won....

I guess that is what the lost cause strategy is all about …..dealing with the perpetual butt hurt of losing.....being on the wrong side of history....being on the wrong side of God...sad

I'm not sure of your point there.



If every other group is allowed to celebrate their culture and heritage in the public square but Southern Whites are not, then you and your lib buddis are being racist pricks.


AND proving that Multicultualism, was always a lie.

Here are people celebrating the confederacy just this year...and nobody stopped them from doing it..

Can you tell me where someone was stopped from celebrating their confederate heritage??

Or as I said again....do you need "GOVERNMENT" to celebrate your heritage for you??

Here is a picture of US citizens celebrating their Chinese heritage -- completely funded with their own money...and nobody stopped them from doing it....and despite the fact that Chinese heritage doesn't come with the same history of slavery in the US like the confederacy has -- they still don't demand the government declare any state holidays on their behalf....why are you leeching off the government??

 

[Mr Natural]

Traitors don’t deserve holidays.

America as a whole, forgave that long ago.


Stop trying to reopen long healed wounds.

Stop glorifying traitors.

 

[Correll]

I willing to listen to the argument she makes, or any evidence she supports. But all you showed me, was an assertion very weakly supported by a few quotes from individuals that were not representing or leading the movement that she was attacking.

If I said that the Democratic Party was the party of racism, and as support from my position, I offered some quotes from a few party officials at the country level in LA and NYC, that would not support my argument.


What you need is something from the founding documents or formal policy position or at last long standing practice, by the group as a whole to smear the group as a whole.


My point was not that she was not qualified to speak, but that Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy and her argument was weak.



My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

It is the Democratic Party fighting to end Confederate celebrations

Guess which party wants to continue them?

The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.

The white southerners were among those who voted AGAINST using taxpayer money to honor traitors

But I am guessing those "white southerners" don't count because their side won....

I guess that is what the lost cause strategy is all about …..dealing with the perpetual butt hurt of losing.....being on the wrong side of history....being on the wrong side of God...sad

I'm not sure of your point there.



If every other group is allowed to celebrate their culture and heritage in the public square but Southern Whites are not, then you and your lib buddis are being racist pricks.


AND proving that Multicultualism, was always a lie.

Here are people celebrating the confederacy just this year...and nobody stopped them from doing it..
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Can you tell me where someone was stopped from celebrating their confederate heritage??

Or as I said again....do you need "GOVERNMENT" to celebrate your heritage for you??
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Errr, good for you that you managed to not attack them, that particular time?


But, the logic that drives you lefties to tear down statues and cancel holidays, will get around to the civil war reenactors sooner or later.


AND, my point stands.


If every other group is allowed to celebrate their culture and heritage in the public square but Southern Whites are not, then you and your lib buddis are being racist pricks.


AND proving that Multicultualism, was always a lie.

 

[Correll]

Traitors don’t deserve holidays.

America as a whole, forgave that long ago.


Stop trying to reopen long healed wounds.

Stop glorifying traitors.

Stop singling me out, based on the fact that you don't like my culture.

 

[bodecea]

The fact REMAINS, like it or lump it, that she's qualified to speak on this and you're not. You don't even frickin' acknowledge its existence. That's why you cut out vast sections of my post that proved its existence.

As far as the "everybody (white) was fine with it", I covered that literally hundreds of posts ago, last week. You cut that one out too.

As I said, if you're going to sit in the corner going you can successfully block it out but it never means it isn't there.

I willing to listen to the argument she makes, or any evidence she supports. But all you showed me, was an assertion very weakly supported by a few quotes from individuals that were not representing or leading the movement that she was attacking.

If I said that the Democratic Party was the party of racism, and as support from my position, I offered some quotes from a few party officials at the country level in LA and NYC, that would not support my argument.


What you need is something from the founding documents or formal policy position or at last long standing practice, by the group as a whole to smear the group as a whole.


My point was not that she was not qualified to speak, but that Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy and her argument was weak.



My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

It is the Democratic Party fighting to end Confederate celebrations

Guess which party wants to continue them?

The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.

Agree

Republicans treat southern racists the same as American patriots who fought for freedom

Tens of millions of Southerns do not support historical statues because they are are racist. You are smearing good people to justify YOUR RACISM.

You are right...Tens of millions of Southerns do NOT support those statues.....because they are racist.

 

[bodecea]

Traitors don’t deserve holidays.

America as a whole, forgave that long ago.


Stop trying to reopen long healed wounds.

Stop glorifying traitors.

Stop singling me out, based on the fact that you don't like my culture.

Your "culture"? What is your "culture"? A four year bloody event which ended with the South's "pecular institution" gone and those who started the war crushed as they should have been? The Third Reich lasted twice as long....do Germans consider the Nazi times a "culture" too?

 

[Correll]

I willing to listen to the argument she makes, or any evidence she supports. But all you showed me, was an assertion very weakly supported by a few quotes from individuals that were not representing or leading the movement that she was attacking.

If I said that the Democratic Party was the party of racism, and as support from my position, I offered some quotes from a few party officials at the country level in LA and NYC, that would not support my argument.


What you need is something from the founding documents or formal policy position or at last long standing practice, by the group as a whole to smear the group as a whole.


My point was not that she was not qualified to speak, but that Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy and her argument was weak.



My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

It is the Democratic Party fighting to end Confederate celebrations

Guess which party wants to continue them?

The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.

Agree

Republicans treat southern racists the same as American patriots who fought for freedom

Tens of millions of Southerns do not support historical statues because they are are racist. You are smearing good people to justify YOUR RACISM.

You are right...Tens of millions of Southerns do NOT support those statues.....because they are racist.

That is the flip side. A lot of those who do oppose the statues are racist. That is true. Especially people like RW, who long for a world where whites are second class citizens and they just accept it like bitches.

 

[Correll]

Traitors don’t deserve holidays.

America as a whole, forgave that long ago.


Stop trying to reopen long healed wounds.

Stop glorifying traitors.

Stop singling me out, based on the fact that you don't like my culture.

Your "culture"? What is your "culture"? A four year bloody event which ended with the South's "pecular institution" gone and those who started the war crushed as they should have been? The Third Reich lasted twice as long....do Germans consider the Nazi times a "culture" too?

1. Doesn't matter what my culture is, what matters is that you are an asshole for singling me out for harsher treatment based on it.


2. And we already talked about how stupid you are, when it comes to understanding that different events are treated differently. Do you still think that genocide and slavery are the same thing, or did the wizard give you a brain?

 

[bodecea]

It is the Democratic Party fighting to end Confederate celebrations

Guess which party wants to continue them?

The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.

Agree

Republicans treat southern racists the same as American patriots who fought for freedom

Tens of millions of Southerns do not support historical statues because they are are racist. You are smearing good people to justify YOUR RACISM.

You are right...Tens of millions of Southerns do NOT support those statues.....because they are racist.

That is the flip side. A lot of those who do oppose the statues are racist. That is true. Especially people like RW, who long for a world where whites are second class citizens and they just accept it like bitches.

How is one racist for opposing a statue declaring the white race is superior?

 

[bodecea]

Traitors don’t deserve holidays.

America as a whole, forgave that long ago.


Stop trying to reopen long healed wounds.

Stop glorifying traitors.

Stop singling me out, based on the fact that you don't like my culture.

Your "culture"? What is your "culture"? A four year bloody event which ended with the South's "pecular institution" gone and those who started the war crushed as they should have been? The Third Reich lasted twice as long....do Germans consider the Nazi times a "culture" too?

1. Doesn't matter what my culture is, what matters is that you are an asshole for singling me out for harsher treatment based on it.


2. And we already talked about how stupid you are, when it comes to understanding that different events are treated differently. Do you still think that genocide and slavery are the same thing, or did the wizard give you a brain?

If it doesn't matter what your "culture" is....why do you bring it up?

And I see that you are...again...reduced to name-calling. Shows that you really don't have much of a legit argument.

 

[Correll]

The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.

Agree

Republicans treat southern racists the same as American patriots who fought for freedom

Tens of millions of Southerns do not support historical statues because they are are racist. You are smearing good people to justify YOUR RACISM.

You are right...Tens of millions of Southerns do NOT support those statues.....because they are racist.

That is the flip side. A lot of those who do oppose the statues are racist. That is true. Especially people like RW, who long for a world where whites are second class citizens and they just accept it like bitches.

How is one racist for opposing a statue declaring the white race is superior?

You are a racist for singling out a group, based on race, for special, harsher treatment than everyone else gets.


I was clear about that. Please address my point. This bit, where you make yourself look stupid, to dodge the point, has been fun, but I think you have already convinced everyone that you are stupid.


I hope that we can move on now. And I am sure you will have additional opportunities as the discussion continues to make yourself look stupid again.


Promise.

 

[Correll]

America as a whole, forgave that long ago.


Stop trying to reopen long healed wounds.

Stop glorifying traitors.

Stop singling me out, based on the fact that you don't like my culture.

Your "culture"? What is your "culture"? A four year bloody event which ended with the South's "pecular institution" gone and those who started the war crushed as they should have been? The Third Reich lasted twice as long....do Germans consider the Nazi times a "culture" too?

1. Doesn't matter what my culture is, what matters is that you are an asshole for singling me out for harsher treatment based on it.


2. And we already talked about how stupid you are, when it comes to understanding that different events are treated differently. Do you still think that genocide and slavery are the same thing, or did the wizard give you a brain?

If it doesn't matter what your "culture" is....why do you bring it up?
...t.

Because you are attacking me and others like me, based on it.

 

[Mr Natural]

Stop singling me out, based on the fact that you don't like my culture.

What culture is that?

Talking funny and having sex with your cousins?

 

[Pogo]

SMGDMFH

>> It’s helpful, in the midst of any conversation about this country’s Confederate monuments, to understand who put these things up, which also offers a clue as to why. In large part, the answer to the first question is the United Daughters of the Confederacy, a white Southern women’s “heritage” group founded in 1894. Starting 30 years after the Civil War, as historian Karen Cox notes in her 2003 book “Dixie’s Daughters,” “UDC members aspired to transform military defeat into a political and cultural victory, where states’ rights and white supremacy remained intact.” In other words, when the Civil War gave them lemons, the UDC made lemonade. Horribly bitter, super racist lemonade.

Though the UDC didn’t invent the Lost Cause ideology, they were deeply involved in spreading the myth, which simultaneously contends the Confederacy wasn’t fighting to keep black people enslaved while also suggesting slavery was pretty good for everyone involved.

... “In their earliest days, the United Daughters of the Confederacy definitely did some good work on behalf of veterans and in their communities,” says Heidi Christensen, former president of the Seattle, Washington, chapter of the UDC, who left the organization in 2012. “But it’s also true that since the UDC was founded in 1894, it has maintained a covert connection with the Ku Klux Klan. In fact, in many ways, the group was the de facto women’s auxiliary of the KKK at the turn of the century. It’s a connection the group downplays now, but evidence of it is easily discoverable — you don’t even have to look very hard to find it.”

1. They published a very pro-KKK book. For children.

In 1914, the in-house historian of the UDC Mississippi chapter, Laura Martin Rose, published “The Ku Klux Klan, or Invisible Empire.” It’s essentially a love letter to the original Klan for its handiwork in the field of domestic terror in the years following the Civil War, when blacks achieved a modicum of political power.

“[D]uring the Reconstruction period, sturdy white men of the South, against all odds, maintained white supremacy and secured Caucasian civilization, when its very foundations were threatened within and without,” Rose writes.

She goes on to provide a look at the roots of racist anti-black stereotypes and language in this country, a lot of which is still recognizable in modern right-wing rhetoric. For example, she accuses black people of laziness* — and wanting a handout — for refusing to keep working for free for white enslavers, and instead trying to find fortune where the jobs were: “Many negroes conceived the idea that freedom meant cessation from labor, so they left the fields, crowding into the cities and towns, expecting to be fed by the United States Government.” In one section, with pretty overt delight, Rose highlights the methods the KKK used to terrify black people, including posting notes around towns with the “picture of a figure dangling from the limb of a tree,” and exalts the KKK’s lawless, murderous violence:

[*anyone remember which contemporary figure declared "Laziness is a trait in blacks"? Hint: he's orange]
.. 2. Actually, they published at least two very pro-KKK books. . .

. . .and probably many more. Another UDC ode to the KKK was written by Annie Cooper Burton, then-president of the Los Angeles chapter of the UDC, and published in 1916. Titled “The Ku Klux Klan,” much like Rose’s aforementioned book, it argues that the Klan has gotten a bad rap just because they terrorized and intimidated black people, not infrequently assaulting and raping black women, murdering black citizens, and burning down black townships. For these reasons, she suggests, the UDC should do even more to show reverence to the Klan:

“Every clubhouse of the United Daughters of the Confederacy should have a memorial tablet dedicated to the Ku Klux Klan; that would be a monument not to one man, but to five hundred and fifty thousand men, to whom all Southerners owe a debt of gratitude.”

By “all Southerners,” Burton clearly means “only white people,” which is also what she means whenever she uses the word “people.”

3. They built a monument to the KKK.

The UDC was busiest during the 1910s and 1920s, two decades during which the group erected hundreds of Confederate monuments that made tangible the racial terror of Jim Crow. This, apparently, the group still considered insufficient to convey their message of white power and to reassert the threat of white violence. So in 1926, the UDC put up a monument to the KKK. In a piece for Facing South, writer Greg Huffman describes a record of the memorial in the UDC’s own 1941 book “North Carolina’s Confederate Monuments and Memorials:”

“IN COMMEMORATION OF THE ‘KU KLUX KLAN’ DURING THE RECONSTRUCTION PERIOD FOLLOWING THE ‘WAR BETWEEN THE STATES’ THIS MARKER IS PLACED ON THEIR ASSEMBLY GROUND. THE ORIGINAL BANNER (AS ABOVE) WAS MADE IN CABARRUS COUNTY. << --- Seven Things the UDC Might Not Want You to Know About Them
NOTE -- this is not a reference to the Stone Mountain carving honoring the site of the founding of the 1915 Klan, nor the memorial plaque the UDC put up at the site of the founding of the 1865 Klan --- this is a third monument honoring the Klan in a third different state. This one was erected in Concord, less than 100 miles from where I sit.​

Karen who?​

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AGAIN -- the Professor's full name and credentials were already spelled out in the post. Perhaps you were too busy going at the rest of the post and washing it down the drain so you could pretend it wasn't there. I went back and made those credentials real big so even you might find it.

Why should I take her opinion as fact?

She's a degreed (PhD) historian and Professor, founding Director of the UNC graduate public history program and author.

And your degree is.......... 98.6?
Doctor of Message Board Whining?

YOu libs are just going in circles. You are just bringing up points, that have already been refuted.

Actually it's documented history. Show me where what I posted "has been refuted". Show me where it's even been brought up. I didn't know about the Concord Klan monument until this. Did you?

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For five generations, since the immediate aftermath of the war, the nation as a whole has accepted the South having regional pride in their heritage and culture as a part of the larger American identity.

Uh huh.

Link?

Why should I take your opinion as fact?

This has served this nation well, healing the wounds of the war and moving the nation forward past past conflicts.

That you libs today, want to reopen old wounds, is primary, about you people the bad guys.

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Tissue?

My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

Tell me which part you claim to be ignorant of, and promise that you will admit it, when I post documentation, and I will be happy to do so.

As to the Professor, just being an Authority, is not a supporting argument. Your desire to Appeal to Authority is denied. Her assertion was weakly supported at best. A few statements from a few people, across generations of time, and vast geographical areas and scores of millions of people, prove nothing.

That was my point with, "Karen who"? I thought I spelled that out well enough, in the portion of the post you cut.

The fact REMAINS, like it or lump it, that she's qualified to speak on this and you're not. You don't even frickin' acknowledge its existence. That's why you cut out vast sections of my post that proved its existence.

As far as the "everybody (white) was fine with it", I covered that literally hundreds of posts ago, last week. You cut that one out too.

As I said, if you're going to sit in the corner going you can successfully block it out but it never means it isn't there.

I willing to listen to the argument she makes, or any evidence she supports. But all you showed me, was an assertion very weakly supported by a few quotes from individuals that were not representing or leading the movement that she was attacking.

If I said that the Democratic Party was the party of racism, and as support from my position, I offered some quotes from a few party officials at the country level in LA and NYC, that would not support my argument.


What you need is something from the founding documents or formal policy position or at last long standing practice, by the group as a whole to smear the group as a whole.

It's nice to cherrypick a single woman and pretend she's some sort of lone voice while ignoring her credentials, but number one, the article I linked (which you cut out as inconvenient so here it comes again) ALREADY quotes UDC former Chapter President Heidi Christensen introducing the Klan promotions;

Number two, the same article also quotes, AND LINKS for perusal, the UDC's children's book about the Klan, written by one Laura Martin Rose of the Mississippi Chapter;

Number three the same article also quotes yet another historian/Professor, Elizabeth Gillespie McRae describing how the UDC did “the daily work on multiple levels . . . needed to sustain racial segregation and to shape resistance to racial equality.”;

Number four, the same article also quotes yet another UDC Chapter President, Annie Cooper Burton, who wrote the second cited Klan book;

Most if not ALL of these were already quoted in the post you wiped out. Now you want to pretend they were never there??

Want a third historian?

"Like the KKK's children's groups, the UDC utilized the Children of the Confederacy to impart to the rising generations their own white-supremacist vision of the future." -- DuRocher, Kristina (2011). Raising racists : the socialization of white children in the Jim Crow South. University Press of Kentucky. ISBN 978-0-8131-3001-9.

Want a fourth? How 'bout Professor, Stuart Towns, stating that the UDC's thrust is one of the "essential elements [of] perpetuating Confederate mythology." -- Towns, W. Stuart (2012). Enduring Legacy: Rhetoric and Ritual of the Lost Cause. University of Alabama Press. ISBN 978-0-8173-1752-2. Some of his books are here.

And oh yes, both of these hold PhDs as well. As you know, "PhD" stands for "Pshaw-- hide Dis, it's inconvenent".

But leave us not stop there. From Angela Esco Elder, Graduate Alumnus at the University of Georgia:

>> Athens native Mildred Lewis Rutherford was probably the most prominent member of the UDC. Rutherford led a crusade for what she believed to be the true history of the Confederacy in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Strongly opposed to woman suffrage, Rutherford argued that the ideal woman should be deferential to men and remain in the home. She believed that all women should hold the plantation mistress as a role model. In addition to defending secession, Rutherford glorified both the plantation system and slavery in antebellum Georgia. The textbooks she wrote, as well as her choice of which ones to censor, serve as a testament to a Confederate history that attempted to legitimize the control of southern elites. From 1899 to 1902 Rutherford served as the Georgia Division's president, and from 1911 to 1916 she served as historian general of the national organization.

Around 1915 Caroline Helen Jemison Plane, the president of the UDC Atlanta chapter, began the project that would culminate in the Confederate memorial carving on Stone Mountain. As leader of the Stone Mountain Memorial Association (incorporated in 1916 as the Stone Mountain Confederate Monumental Association), she solicited the support of the sculptor Gutzon Borglum and convinced the owners of the mountain to give the UDC access to the property. In addition to the carving of Confederate heroes, Plane wanted Ku Klux Klan members to appear in the design.

... From 1953 to 1955 Mabel Sessions Dennis served as president general of the national UDC. Born in De Soto, in Sumter County, she held many positions in the group before leading the national organization. During her administration she organized the national [General] Children of the Confederacy. Comprising thousands of members today, the organization inducts children under the age of eighteen who can provide proof that they are descendants of honorable Confederate soldiers. The membership creed states a "desire to perpetuate, in love and honor, the heroic deeds of those who enlisted in the Confederate Services" and "teach the truths of history (one of the most important of which is, that the War Between the States was not a rebellion, nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery)."​

From the UDC's youth indoctrination program the Children of the Confederacy reference above and their 2016 newsletter:
>> Minutes were published before the recommendation was adopted at the 2015 UDC General Convention. The phrase “. . . nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery . . .” has been deleted from the Creed. <<

Note the date --- all of FIVE years ago. This was the UDC creed until 2015, more than a hundred years after they started running around feverishly putting up statues, rewriting schoolbooks and indoctrinating children.

There you go, FOUR MORE historians and THREE citations of UDC personnel, references to three more PLUS its own publications.

That enough authority for your wangly ass to go to?

My point was not that she was not qualified to speak, but that Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy and her argument was weak.

My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

How odd that you try to bring up a "logical fallacy" -- built on another fallacy (cherrypicking) by committing another one --- the old "Everybody Knows", argumentum ad populum.

Oh and good luck making the case that a tenured Professor with a PhD is a "weak" source.

So there you are, it's a bit long so you've got a lot of deleting and ing to do, better get cracking.

Dismissed.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

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AGAIN -- the Professor's full name and credentials were already spelled out in the post. Perhaps you were too busy going at the rest of the post and washing it down the drain so you could pretend it wasn't there. I went back and made those credentials real big so even you might find it.

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She's a degreed (PhD) historian and Professor, founding Director of the UNC graduate public history program and author.

And your degree is.......... 98.6?
Doctor of Message Board Whining?

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Actually it's documented history. Show me where what I posted "has been refuted". Show me where it's even been brought up. I didn't know about the Concord Klan monument until this. Did you?

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Uh huh.

Link?

Why should I take your opinion as fact?

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Tissue?

My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

Tell me which part you claim to be ignorant of, and promise that you will admit it, when I post documentation, and I will be happy to do so.

As to the Professor, just being an Authority, is not a supporting argument. Your desire to Appeal to Authority is denied. Her assertion was weakly supported at best. A few statements from a few people, across generations of time, and vast geographical areas and scores of millions of people, prove nothing.

That was my point with, "Karen who"? I thought I spelled that out well enough, in the portion of the post you cut.

The fact REMAINS, like it or lump it, that she's qualified to speak on this and you're not. You don't even frickin' acknowledge its existence. That's why you cut out vast sections of my post that proved its existence.

As far as the "everybody (white) was fine with it", I covered that literally hundreds of posts ago, last week. You cut that one out too.

As I said, if you're going to sit in the corner going you can successfully block it out but it never means it isn't there.

I willing to listen to the argument she makes, or any evidence she supports. But all you showed me, was an assertion very weakly supported by a few quotes from individuals that were not representing or leading the movement that she was attacking.

If I said that the Democratic Party was the party of racism, and as support from my position, I offered some quotes from a few party officials at the country level in LA and NYC, that would not support my argument.


What you need is something from the founding documents or formal policy position or at last long standing practice, by the group as a whole to smear the group as a whole.


My point was not that she was not qualified to speak, but that Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy and her argument was weak.



My opinion is backed up by history. The policy of reconciliation and the way the South has been a valuable and patriotic part of American, instead of a restive and troublesome conquered territory is well known.

It is the Democratic Party fighting to end Confederate celebrations

Guess which party wants to continue them?

The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.

What holiday does white northerners have?

How about white westerners?

 

[Correll]

Stop singling me out, based on the fact that you don't like my culture.

What culture is that?

Talking funny and having sex with your cousins?

So, to deny that you are a bigot, you make some cultural slurs against people you don't like?


Brilliant. Thanks for proving my point, that it is your side that is being the bigots here.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

It is the Democratic Party fighting to end Confederate celebrations

Guess which party wants to continue them?

The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.

Agree

Republicans treat southern racists the same as American patriots who fought for freedom

Tens of millions of Southerns do not support historical statues because they are are racist. You are smearing good people to justify YOUR RACISM.

You are right...Tens of millions of Southerns do NOT support those statues.....because they are racist.

That is the flip side. A lot of those who do oppose the statues are racist. That is true. Especially people like RW, who long for a world where whites are second class citizens and they just accept it like bitches.

What a crock of shit, nobody wants white folks to become 2nd class citizens. Most Americans want all folks to live and thrive equally in this country. Please tell me why in the hell would black folks who pay taxes want a Confederate Holiday.