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Forcing people to celebrate the Confederacy is not harmonyYou really don’t understand how a Democracy worksThe people of Virginia have spokenYes. Neither of us are confused about that. So, please stop discussing it.
You made a point about TODAY'S blacks.
I asked you why they are more important than the rest of the nation and why they are not bound by the principles of multiculturalism.
They don’t want a Confederate Holiday
Yes, a majority of the people, driven primarily as you stated, by modern blacks.
I ask again, since you brought it up.
why they are more important than the rest of the nation and why they are not bound by the principles of multiculturalism?
I understand how multicultualism is supposed to work. We are supposed to all live in harmony.
Why are the people of Virginia, primary, as you stated, the modern black ones, not being tolerant of Southern Whites who want to celebrate their culture and heritage?
And why do you support it? Does it not pose a huge problem for your multiculturalism and diversity agenda?
The culture of the Confederacy is not worth honoring, it is a stain on our nation
I have never said any such thing that you are claiming and challenge you to prove me wrongI will accept that as your admission you are lyingStop playing games. We discussed this many times. I told them that you thought it would be fine, because whites would just accept it.
Link to where I said any such thing or admit you are lying
Why? Have you experienced serious memory loss? Have you taken a bullet wound to the brain? Do you have alzheimer's disease?
Err, no. We've discussed this many times. It is silly for you to pretend we have not. I have represented your position, as well as I could.
I note that you do not deny that we have discussed this, nor have you denied making these statements.
You just are demanding a link, to something you know all about.
I can only conclude this is some silly troll boy game. So, knock this shit off. Tell Bodacia, all about your Vision of the Future, and how you think it will be fine.
How do you "automatically" assume a poll will be rejected? Oh, I know....that's the EXCUSE you are using to not provide such a poll.......a poll that doesn't even exist because you lied. Is lying part of that "culture" you "celebrate"?So...what is to "celebrate" about what the Con-federacy stood for?There's "forgiving"....and then there is "celebrating". Two different things.Correct
I’d be ashamed and embarrassed of them.
Well, lots of other people, are more forgiving of their ancestors and celebrate them.
That is correct. Perhaps that is why I used the word "and" to show that the people in question were doing TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
Thank GOD you were here. Someone might have been confused otherwise.
Why do you ask a question, when you plan to reject any answer that is given?
THe fact is, that some people celebrate their ancestors that were part of the Confederacy. That you will not agree with them, is not relevant.
Look who's accusing others of lying..................I have never said any such thing that you are claiming and challenge you to prove me wrongI will accept that as your admission you are lyingLink to where I said any such thing or admit you are lying
Why? Have you experienced serious memory loss? Have you taken a bullet wound to the brain? Do you have alzheimer's disease?
Err, no. We've discussed this many times. It is silly for you to pretend we have not. I have represented your position, as well as I could.
I note that you do not deny that we have discussed this, nor have you denied making these statements.
You just are demanding a link, to something you know all about.
I can only conclude this is some silly troll boy game. So, knock this shit off. Tell Bodacia, all about your Vision of the Future, and how you think it will be fine.
Looked some in search. Could not find the thread. But I recall it fine. and so do you.
Why are you lying now?
How do you "automatically" assume a poll will be rejected? Oh, I know....that's the EXCUSE you are using to not provide such a poll.......a poll that doesn't even exist because you lied. Is lying part of that "culture" you "celebrate"?So...what is to "celebrate" about what the Con-federacy stood for?There's "forgiving"....and then there is "celebrating". Two different things.Well, lots of other people, are more forgiving of their ancestors and celebrate them.
That is correct. Perhaps that is why I used the word "and" to show that the people in question were doing TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
Thank GOD you were here. Someone might have been confused otherwise.
Why do you ask a question, when you plan to reject any answer that is given?
THe fact is, that some people celebrate their ancestors that were part of the Confederacy. That you will not agree with them, is not relevant.
Link one of those polls.It is the Democratic Party fighting to end Confederate celebrations
Guess which party wants to continue them?
The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.
What holiday does white northerners have?
How about white westerners?
Don't know, don't care, doesn't change the fact that you are singling out Southern Whites and treating them differently than every other group.
That makes no sense. I am pretty sure most Southern whites don't give a damn about honoring traitors of the Confederacy.
Polls I've heard are that most American support the historical statues, your spin not withstanding.
Look who's accusing others of lying..................I have never said any such thing that you are claiming and challenge you to prove me wrongI will accept that as your admission you are lyingWhy? Have you experienced serious memory loss? Have you taken a bullet wound to the brain? Do you have alzheimer's disease?
Err, no. We've discussed this many times. It is silly for you to pretend we have not. I have represented your position, as well as I could.
I note that you do not deny that we have discussed this, nor have you denied making these statements.
You just are demanding a link, to something you know all about.
I can only conclude this is some silly troll boy game. So, knock this shit off. Tell Bodacia, all about your Vision of the Future, and how you think it will be fine.
Looked some in search. Could not find the thread. But I recall it fine. and so do you.
Why are you lying now?
Link one of those polls.The one that treats white southerns with the same respect they treat the rest of the nation, you racist prick.
What holiday does white northerners have?
How about white westerners?
Don't know, don't care, doesn't change the fact that you are singling out Southern Whites and treating them differently than every other group.
That makes no sense. I am pretty sure most Southern whites don't give a damn about honoring traitors of the Confederacy.
Polls I've heard are that most American support the historical statues, your spin not withstanding.
The other group can still celebrate any hate holiday they wish.......Hitlers Birthday, Charley Manson Day, Confederate States DayForcing people to celebrate the Confederacy is not harmonyYou really don’t understand how a Democracy worksThe people of Virginia have spoken
They don’t want a Confederate Holiday
Yes, a majority of the people, driven primarily as you stated, by modern blacks.
I ask again, since you brought it up.
why they are more important than the rest of the nation and why they are not bound by the principles of multiculturalism?
I understand how multicultualism is supposed to work. We are supposed to all live in harmony.
Why are the people of Virginia, primary, as you stated, the modern black ones, not being tolerant of Southern Whites who want to celebrate their culture and heritage?
And why do you support it? Does it not pose a huge problem for your multiculturalism and diversity agenda?
The culture of the Confederacy is not worth honoring, it is a stain on our nation
Not shutting down another group's holiday, is harmony.
Explain to me, why as a liberal, you are not calling on the modern blacks of Virginia to be tolerant of their white neighbors who want to celebrate their culture and heritage.
Oh, interesting. So, not all cultures are equal and some, it is ok to suppress them?
This is new. I have never heard a liberal admit this before.
What are the standards to judge cultures by? When was this published? Why am I only hearing of it now?
The other group can still celebrate any hate holiday they wish.......Hitlers Birthday, Charley Manson Day, Confederate States DayForcing people to celebrate the Confederacy is not harmonyYou really don’t understand how a Democracy worksYes, a majority of the people, driven primarily as you stated, by modern blacks.
I ask again, since you brought it up.
why they are more important than the rest of the nation and why they are not bound by the principles of multiculturalism?
I understand how multicultualism is supposed to work. We are supposed to all live in harmony.
Why are the people of Virginia, primary, as you stated, the modern black ones, not being tolerant of Southern Whites who want to celebrate their culture and heritage?
And why do you support it? Does it not pose a huge problem for your multiculturalism and diversity agenda?
The culture of the Confederacy is not worth honoring, it is a stain on our nation
Not shutting down another group's holiday, is harmony.
Explain to me, why as a liberal, you are not calling on the modern blacks of Virginia to be tolerant of their white neighbors who want to celebrate their culture and heritage.
Oh, interesting. So, not all cultures are equal and some, it is ok to suppress them?
This is new. I have never heard a liberal admit this before.
What are the standards to judge cultures by? When was this published? Why am I only hearing of it now?
They just can’t force the state to celebrate
"back southerners"?
And tell us how many of those actual soldiers are still around for us to ask.....
None of them, of course. But they made their position on the issue clear, back when they were alive.
Obviously.
Think about the folks who erected these statues, created these monuments, named streets and towns after these traitors and racists. It was children and grand children of the Confederate trash.
Why are you so full of hate towards these people?
Why were they so full of hate towards black folks? Why should people today honor symbols of hate?
They are not symbols of hate. They are harmless symbols of regional pride.
You seem to be the one seething with hate today.
Ah, my sweet little boy....you were the one who claimed such polls exist. I have no such delusion.Link one of those polls.What holiday does white northerners have?
How about white westerners?
Don't know, don't care, doesn't change the fact that you are singling out Southern Whites and treating them differently than every other group.
That makes no sense. I am pretty sure most Southern whites don't give a damn about honoring traitors of the Confederacy.
Polls I've heard are that most American support the historical statues, your spin not withstanding.
You.
Apparently it's a "culture" thing.None of them, of course. But they made their position on the issue clear, back when they were alive.
Obviously.
Think about the folks who erected these statues, created these monuments, named streets and towns after these traitors and racists. It was children and grand children of the Confederate trash.
Why are you so full of hate towards these people?
Why were they so full of hate towards black folks? Why should people today honor symbols of hate?
They are not symbols of hate. They are harmless symbols of regional pride.
You seem to be the one seething with hate today.
Hmmm, how am I hating because I am not honoring people who enslaved, maimed, dismembered, raped, brutalized and murdered black folks.
None of them, of course. But they made their position on the issue clear, back when they were alive.
Obviously.
Think about the folks who erected these statues, created these monuments, named streets and towns after these traitors and racists. It was children and grand children of the Confederate trash.
Why are you so full of hate towards these people?
Why were they so full of hate towards black folks? Why should people today honor symbols of hate?
They are not symbols of hate. They are harmless symbols of regional pride.
You seem to be the one seething with hate today.
Hmmm, how am I hating because I am not honoring people who enslaved, maimed, dismembered, raped, brutalized and murdered black folks.
Ah, my sweet little boy....you were the one who claimed such polls exist. I have no such delusion.Link one of those polls.Don't know, don't care, doesn't change the fact that you are singling out Southern Whites and treating them differently than every other group.
That makes no sense. I am pretty sure most Southern whites don't give a damn about honoring traitors of the Confederacy.
Polls I've heard are that most American support the historical statues, your spin not withstanding.
You.
The other group can still celebrate any hate holiday they wish.......Hitlers Birthday, Charley Manson Day, Confederate States DayForcing people to celebrate the Confederacy is not harmonyYou really don’t understand how a Democracy works
I understand how multicultualism is supposed to work. We are supposed to all live in harmony.
Why are the people of Virginia, primary, as you stated, the modern black ones, not being tolerant of Southern Whites who want to celebrate their culture and heritage?
And why do you support it? Does it not pose a huge problem for your multiculturalism and diversity agenda?
The culture of the Confederacy is not worth honoring, it is a stain on our nation
Not shutting down another group's holiday, is harmony.
Explain to me, why as a liberal, you are not calling on the modern blacks of Virginia to be tolerant of their white neighbors who want to celebrate their culture and heritage.
Oh, interesting. So, not all cultures are equal and some, it is ok to suppress them?
This is new. I have never heard a liberal admit this before.
What are the standards to judge cultures by? When was this published? Why am I only hearing of it now?
They just can’t force the state to celebrate
Whoa. YOu totally refused to address any of my questions.
That implies that you always knew that this was the way it was. That multicultualism was always a lie.
Which ties in with your Vision of the Future, as a racist one party state.
So, to be clear, you are admitting that not all cultures are equal, and some can be suppressed, based on standards you won't share.
Is being white part of what makes a culture ok to be discriminated against?
It's an attack on our history that must be preserved for future generations warts and all.They should remove monuments of a traitor.
Okay, so remove all monuments to Obama.
Then what?
Here we are in a civil war again. What was that about those who fail to learn from history?
The Antebellum South was a horrible society. Feudalism where a tiny monied elite had absolute control of state governments and preyed on the populace at large. Georgia with the small holder act that allowed large plantations to literally steal land from small farmers. Poor whites fared worse than black slaves. I have nothing good to say about the south. BUT erasing history is what the Taliban and other tyrants do.
Poor whites fared worse than black slaves, Smfh. That has to be one of the stupidest statements ever made on this message board.
It’s all part of Lost Cause Revisionist history
Did you know that Whites were slaves too?
That makes four million black slaves OK
The other group can still celebrate any hate holiday they wish.......Hitlers Birthday, Charley Manson Day, Confederate States DayForcing people to celebrate the Confederacy is not harmonyI understand how multicultualism is supposed to work. We are supposed to all live in harmony.
Why are the people of Virginia, primary, as you stated, the modern black ones, not being tolerant of Southern Whites who want to celebrate their culture and heritage?
And why do you support it? Does it not pose a huge problem for your multiculturalism and diversity agenda?
The culture of the Confederacy is not worth honoring, it is a stain on our nation
Not shutting down another group's holiday, is harmony.
Explain to me, why as a liberal, you are not calling on the modern blacks of Virginia to be tolerant of their white neighbors who want to celebrate their culture and heritage.
Oh, interesting. So, not all cultures are equal and some, it is ok to suppress them?
This is new. I have never heard a liberal admit this before.
What are the standards to judge cultures by? When was this published? Why am I only hearing of it now?
They just can’t force the state to celebrate
Whoa. YOu totally refused to address any of my questions.
That implies that you always knew that this was the way it was. That multicultualism was always a lie.
Which ties in with your Vision of the Future, as a racist one party state.
That is what the people you want to honor wanted and had.
So, to be clear, you are admitting that not all cultures are equal, and some can be suppressed, based on standards you won't share.
Is being white part of what makes a culture ok to be discriminated against?
Nobody is discriminating against whites, that is the bullshit you are trying to throw out. Do you attack Jewish folks for not wanting to honor Nazis?
You really don’t understand how a Democracy worksThe people of Virginia have spokenWe are talking about today’s blacks who feel no loyalty to the confederacy. Neither do most whites
Yes. Neither of us are confused about that. So, please stop discussing it.
You made a point about TODAY'S blacks.
I asked you why they are more important than the rest of the nation and why they are not bound by the principles of multiculturalism.
They don’t want a Confederate Holiday
Yes, a majority of the people, driven primarily as you stated, by modern blacks.
I ask again, since you brought it up.
why they are more important than the rest of the nation and why they are not bound by the principles of multiculturalism?
I understand how multicultualism is supposed to work. We are supposed to all live in harmony.
Why are the people of Virginia, primary, as you stated, the modern black ones, not being tolerant of Southern Whites who want to celebrate their culture and heritage?
And why do you support it? Does it not pose a huge problem for your multiculturalism and diversity agenda?
SouthernersSouthern people who conspired to enforce Jim Crow second class citizenship after they no longer could have slaves1. Southern Pride and Heritage is not Lost Cause. Your claim otherwise is you misrepresenting tens of millions of good southern people, indeed, scores of millions of good Americans who support Historical Statues.
Correct, they are not the same thing. Therefore do not conflate them.
"Southern pride and heritage" is a cultural entity, a living breathing one. It lives in families, language, foods, music, customs and all the various manifestations of culture. For me it lives in my cousins, deceased parents aunts and uncles, places they took us, the food they fed us, the Stars and Bars I inherited from my mother, songs we played together, the very house I live in, and by the way it's absolutely subdivided into distinct and diverse regional cultures. The Cult of the Lost Cause on the other hand is a deceitful dishonest propaganda campaign designed to whitewash history.
2. But he does not own his image. He was a public figure and he is an historical figure of great importance. It is completely reasonable that he would be included in any movement to memorialize the service of the Confederates. I thought I might be getting though to you, but you wiggled away
So ---- "the state", or "the campaign" owns people now? Does said state or campaign get to determine how you will dress, wear your hair or beard and where you will live in life? It must, if it gets to edit your wishes to the opposite of what they were in death once you're out of the way to object.
It's an incontrovertible FACT that Robert E. Lee specifically opined that such statues NOT be erected. That means, because "one equals one", that those who do erect Lee statues are specifically disrespecting him while claiming by their action to do the opposite. At the very least, purporting themselves to be better judges of what Reconciliation than Lee himself, the very object they supposedly seek to glorify.
But they're not glorifying Lee, are they. They're glorifying their own historical bullshit. Lee put them in that position, and they went ahead and did it anyway, in the example posted yesterday in New Orleans, with his arms folded facing North in defiant confrontational posture, stark contrast to Lee's actual wish for reconciliation (that you yourself correctly cited). There's only one reason to do that, and it's outright lying about history. It's selling propaganda on the back of a dead man who's not around to object any more.
Long story short --- that statue wasn't removed because it was Lee. It was removed because it's a Lie.
1. You are the one conflating the Lost Cause movement with tens of millions of good southern people who, while not Lost Causers, are proud of their heritage and culture. YOu, not me.
2. They are focusing on certain aspects of the Confederacy, such as the bravery and skill and service of the Confederate fighting men. This is not lying. We all pick and choose what to celebrate in our history and culture. ALL cultures do this. Indeed, it is part of progress.
Oh, democrats?
Yeah, democrats are real scum. Always were, always will be. They're doing the Jim Crow shit again, but this time against white people. Fucking vermin....
Southerners owned slaves for 200 years before the Democratic Party was formed
