Zone1 US has never been a racist country

[White 6]

The reality White6 is that non whites and whites have had opposite experiences in this country. America HAS beenn a racist nation in our experience and it doesn't matter what black person or non white person you use to disagree with my saying so. Even Thomas Sowell has admitted tio facing virulent racism during his life.

Sowell was born in segregated Gastonia, North Carolina, to a poor family, and grew up in Harlem, New York City.

Sowell was drafted into the armed services in 1951 during the Korean War and was assigned to the U.S. Marine Corps. Although Sowell opposed the war and experienced racism, he was able to find fulfillment as a photographer, which eventually became his favorite hobby.

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So has Clarence Thomas..

Thomas became a vocal student activist as an undergraduate. He became acquainted with Black separatism, the Black Muslim Movement, the Black power movement, helped draft the Black Student Union (BSU), and displayed a poster of Malcolm X in his dormitory room.When some black students were disproportionately punished in comparison with white students for the same violation, he suggested a walkout in protest. The BSU adopted his idea, and Thomas, along with 60 other black students, departed campus. Some of the priests negotiated with the protesting black students to reenter the school. When administrators granted amnesty to all protesters, Thomas returned to the college, later also to attend anti-war marches. In April 1970, he participated in the violent 1970 Harvard Square riots.

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Marc is speaking from his experience being black annd that's an experience you have not had in order to forrm a disagreement with. This is the main problem with discussing race.

So, what? That does not mean the country is racist. I have experience racism against me first hand by men in uniform, that I handled by keeping my friends out of it and simply deciding to meet it head on, and kill the first one of two bastards (and deal with the second) that were going to injure, maim or kill me, simply because I was white, and had avoided conflict when they had pushed conflict, so they misjudged my character and definitely my trained abilities. That doesn't mean that the service is racist, much less the country. It is a matter of level-headed perspective to realize not all experiences are universal experiences.

 

[White 6]

Jim Crow was indeed national.

Argue with these people:
The Jim Crow laws were state and local laws introduced in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that enforced racial segregation, "Jim Crow" being a pejorative term for an African American.[1] Such laws remained in force until 1965.[2

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[Coyote]

Argue with these people:
The Jim Crow laws were state and local laws introduced in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that enforced racial segregation, "Jim Crow" being a pejorative term for an African American.[1] Such laws remained in force until 1965.[2

Jim Crow laws - Wikipedia

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They affected every Black in America though

 

[el midgetron]

Very relevant to this thread, and worth the 2 minutes.

The value of that 2 minutes is debatable. I was amused by how she cited the “greatest threat” was unifying people across the racial divided. Yet, the establishment program today (which she is complicit in) is doing exactly the opposite.

She also citing acts of individual racism as evidence “it’s still happening today” while claiming to be part of the victim class. Yet, she doesn’t acknowledge that black people also perpetuate acts of racism today and therefore are also part of the problem.

Racism is really just hate and hate is (an ugly) part of human nature.

 

[White 6]

No, not just those States that factually pursued these laws - but the attitude and actions in the rest of the USA towards non-European Americans. E.g. County laws in Colorado or e.g. California, in order to prevent non-Europeans from purchasing property and houses right down to obtaining business licenses, etc.

The US Armed Forces do not represent a single State, but the USA as a country - and segregation was in place in e.g. Ft. Sill till 1976.

There are two kinds of racism IMO;
One is simply based onto personal prejudice (partially based onto personal experience) - and the other one comes in, the moment someone feels his personal wealth is being threatened by another country aka race.

China is a classic - though Communism was completely abandoned from the 80'ies onward - and replaced with an autocratic capitalistic system, beholding some minor social aspects - the moment the word China comes in - pure racism sets in, disguised via stating e.g. CCP commies, etc. Or in regards to e.g. the Middle-East; all Muslims are fanatics and baby roasters.

I have been around most of the world - and every single country has it's so called racists (consisting of the aforementioned two groups).
And the USA is definitely one of the worst in regards to the Western World. Which BTW is a major reason as to why the entire world starts laughing when the respective US White House administration propagates, "human rights" - in order to gain a political leverage against an opponent.

That racism and it's repercussions onto society in the USA have been strongly reduced in the USA since the 70'ies - no doubt IMO.

However to state; "the USA has never been a racist country", isn't just a bad joke, but a right-out lie.

You make a good case, but I still disagree.

 

[IM2]

So, what? That does not mean the country is racist. I have experience racism against me first hand by men in uniform, that I handled by keeping my friends out of it and simply deciding to meet it head on, and kill the first one of two bastards (and deal with the second) that were going to injure, maim or kill me, simply because I was white, and had avoided conflict when they had pushed conflict, so they misjudged my character and definitely my trained abilities. That doesn't mean that the service is racist, much less the country. It is a matter of level-headed perspective to realize not all experiences are universal experiences.

It means that to people of color, thiis nation has been racist. Ok, it's time whites like yourself started to understand the anger white racism creates. You guys always talk about how blacks talking about racism will make whiites more racistt buut you never consider what years of having to take white racism does to people of color. It's a matter of level headed perspective to respect the experiences of others and recognize their validity and that's something a whole lot of whites refuse to do on issues pertaining to race.

 

[IM2]

Argue with these people:
The Jim Crow laws were state and local laws introduced in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that enforced racial segregation, "Jim Crow" being a pejorative term for an African American.[1] Such laws remained in force until 1965.[2

Jim Crow laws - Wikipedia

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I know what Jim Crow was and where it existed because In lived in it. Kansas is not in the south, but Kansas had separate facilities for blacks and whites, sundown towns and black codes. Jim Crow existed in at least 48 states. This is what I'm talking about White6. You seem to think you can tell somebody black how things are not as they have seen them. You aren't the only one doing this.

Jim Crow's northern history proves that white supremacy is not unique to the southern US​

Eleanor Butler and her daughter Leonora, 6, are escorted by Lynbrook, Long Island, New York police at the Davison Avenue School in Lynbrook, New York, Sept. 4, 1963 after her arrest. Police arrested five black parents and a Long Island civil rights official for loitering as they staged a sit-in at the predominantly white elementary school.Jack Kanthal/AP

• Jim Crow, the system of laws that advanced segregation and black disenfranchisement, began in the North — not the South, as most Americans believe.
• Long before the Civil War, northern states had legal codes that promoted racial segregation and black disenfranchisement.
• As recently as 1964, a majority of New Yorkers thought the civil rights movement had gone too far, a New York Times poll from 1964 reveals.

Jim Crow, the system of laws that advanced segregation and black disenfranchisement, began in the North, not the South, as most Americans believe. Long before the Civil War, northern states like New York, Massachusetts, Ohio, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania had legal codes that promoted black people's racial segregation and political disenfranchisement.

Jim Crow's northern history proves that white supremacy is not unique to the southern US

Jim Crow, the system of laws that advanced segregation and black disenfranchisement, began in the North — not the South, as most Americans believe. Long before the Civil War, northern states had legal codes that promoted racial segregation and black disenfranchisement.

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United States v. Stanley, United States v. Ryan, United States v. Nichols, United States v. Singleton, Robinson etux. v. Memphis & Charleston R.R. Co. and Plessy v. Ferguson were federal cases and the decsions were federal law applying to all states.

 

[White 6]

It means that to people of color, thiis nation has been racist. Ok, it's time whites like yourself started to understand the anger white racism creates. You guys always talk about how blacks talking about racism will make whiites more racistt buut you never consider what years of having to take white racism does to people of color. It's a matter of level headed perspective to respect the experiences of others and recognize their validity and that's something a whole lot of whites refuse to do on issues pertaining to race.

That is the perspective of many people of color, no doubt. You live in a different reality. Racism always creates anger. It is a human psychological failing, and anger, not managed is like fear not harnessed, a dangerous block to logical thinking.
"You guys always talk about how blacks talking about racism will make whiites more racistt". Don't loosely count me in "You guys". I will admit, YOU tend to piss people off, and many of those people are indeed racists.
Recognizing validates does not include simply accepting somebody else's experiential reality as universal reality.

 

[IM2]

That is the perspective of many people of color, no doubt. You live in a different reality. Racism always creates anger. It is a human psychological failing, and anger, not managed is like fear not harnessed, a dangerous block to logical thinking.
"You guys always talk about how blacks talking about racism will make whiites more racistt". Don't loosely count me in "You guys". I will admit, YOU tend to piss people off, and many of those people are indeed racists.
Recognizing validates does not include simply accepting somebody else's experiential reality as universal reality.

But you expect me to simply accept your experiential reality that America has not been and is not a racist nation

 

[White 6]

But you expect me to simply accept your experiential reality that America has not been and is not a racist nation

Honestly, don't really care, and whether it was or wasn't, is or isn't just does not matter to me. I have done my part to treat others as I would have them treat me. That is my responsibility in this thing. When I have had a problem, that affected me, my organization or those I was responsible for, I dealt with it straight up. I am no responsible to clean up the world, no crusader, and not easily recruited to crusades.

 

[MarathonMike]

So, what? That does not mean the country is racist. I have experience racism against me first hand by men in uniform, that I handled by keeping my friends out of it and simply deciding to meet it head on, and kill the first one of two bastards (and deal with the second) that were going to injure, maim or kill me, simply because I was white, and had avoided conflict when they had pushed conflict, so they misjudged my character and definitely my trained abilities. That doesn't mean that the service is racist, much less the country. It is a matter of level-headed perspective to realize not all experiences are universal experiences.

He never offers specifics of this alleged "Systemic Racism" he has experienced, because he knows it isn't Systemic Racism. It may not even be Racism at all, if his in-person personality is anything like what he presents here.

 

[lennypartiv]

What complete BS….

I repeat, the statement came from a colored woman.

 

[IM2]

Honestly, don't really care, and whether it was or wasn't, is or isn't just does not matter to me. I have done my part to treat others as I would have them treat me. That is my responsibility in this thing. When I have had a problem, that affected me, my organization or those I was responsible for, I dealt with it straight up. I am no responsible to clean up the world, no crusader, and not easily recruited to crusades.

We all have a responsiblity to end racism and it goes farther than saying you treat others as you want to be treated individually. Treating others how you want to be treated also involves recognizing what past injustices have done to create the current climate and fixing it instead of saying "I'm not responsible" because you aren't living with the damage. America was indeed founded on racist principles and it has indeed been a racist country. Look around you at the climate today. Whites are mad because others want a fair shot. Whites are now 60 percent of the population but are whining about being discriminated against even as they have the majority of the jobs, money and property. To some whites even if they have the majority of everything, if any person of color gets a job, that means somebody white lost a job,, instead of the fact that whites are not entitled to everything. So if you are opposed to stuff designed to equalize things, then you really aren't about treating others as you want to be treated.

 

[IM2]

I repeat, the statement came from a colored woman.

So? There are a few million women of color who say America has been a racist nation.

 

[el midgetron]

So? There are a few million women of color who say America has been a racist nation.

“Women of color”? What a stupid moniker the white liberals have assigned you. What “color” exactly? Or are you no different that a Chinese person? Or is it all the same just as long as they aren’t “white”?

Now they are lumping “POC” in with the disabled and homosexuals. It’s all “diversity” to them.

 

[IM2]

I will admit, YOU tend to piss people off, and many of those people are indeed racists.

Have you ever taken the time to think that perhaps reading the endless racism in this forum might just piss me off?

 

[Coyote]

I repeat, the statement came from a colored woman.

So?

 

[White 6]

He never offers specifics of this alleged "Systemic Racism" he has experienced, because he knows it isn't Systemic Racism. It may not even be Racism at all, if his in-person personality is anything like what he presents here.

He actually does, and often, but always from his perspective, clouded or shaded by his goals in any debate. In his place, I am not sure I would not choose likewise, as goals are goals, and not worth having if not to be pursued.

 

[White 6]

We all have a responsiblity to end racism and it goes farther than saying you treat others as you want to be treated individually. Treating others how you want to be treated also involves recognizing what past injustices have done to create the current climate and fixing it instead of saying "I'm not responsible" because you aren't living with the damage. America was indeed founded on racist principles and it has indeed been a racist country. Look around you at the climate today. Whites are mad because others want a fair shot. Whites are now 60 percent of the population but are whining about being discriminated against even as they have the majority of the jobs, money and property. To some whites even if they have the majority of everything, if any person of color gets a job, that means somebody white lost a job,, instead of the fact that whites are not entitled to everything. So if you are opposed to stuff designed to equalize things, then you really aren't about treating others as you want to be treated.

Responsibilities stated by you only reflect what you wish them to be. If anyone you are not supervisory to, does not wish to accept the responsibility you confer, there is little chance of it having effect, and very little you can do about it, at distance, if they are resistant to influence to your vision of your reality, as it is not universal.

 

[White 6]

Have you ever taken the time to think that perhaps reading the endless racism in this forum might just piss me off?

I am certain, it does, and yes, I am aware there is a daily racist mindset expressed by several members on here.