VA Beach Munc Cntr Shooting: 11 Killed by Emp

[JoeB131]

Senator Tim Kaine.........couldn't wait to get to the dead bodies and cameras...another anti-gunner walking through the blood to demand normal people give up their guns.......even though they didn't use their guns to shoot anyone...

Um, so when is he supposed to make a big deal about it?

How many times does this sort of thing have to happen before someone does make a big deal about it?

 

[2aguy]

Senator Tim Kaine.........couldn't wait to get to the dead bodies and cameras...another anti-gunner walking through the blood to demand normal people give up their guns.......even though they didn't use their guns to shoot anyone...

Um, so when is he supposed to make a big deal about it?

How many times does this sort of thing have to happen before someone does make a big deal about it?

In a country of 320 million people, 93 people were killed by mass public shooters in 2018....vs, 38,000 in car accidents....I don't see bernie, or kaine complaining about cars..........

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....they never mention that fact.....

93 vs 38,000.......by the numbers, they should be calling for an end to private automobiles....if we follow your logic...

 

[airplanemechanic]

Stopped by an officer with a gun.

11 dead, 6 injured after mass shooting in Virginia Beach

'Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

Exactly. And, when you disarm the targets, it leads to shit like this. Fortunately a cop who is still allowed to carry a gun, hmm, amazing how that works out, stopped the bad guy. Just imagine if one of the victims had been allowed to defend their self.

Exactly, when poorly trained citizens who are armed and hear gun fire, shoot at other poorly trained citizens are shooting at those who shot at other poorly trained citizens.

You really are a dumb shit, every heard of Friendly Fire by highly trained members of the military?

The more you post, the dumber you seem to be.

As if fucking cops never miss their target? If you think that it is YOU that is the epitome of a dumbass. It took 4 FUCKING COPS to stop this guy. If you don't think a shitload of cop bullets missed their mark and were flying around in that occupied building, you're one stupid fuckhead.

But we already know you're a stupid fuckhead.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....he could have used a rental truck. A muslim in Nice, France used a rental truck and murdered 86 people and injured 435....this guy used a gun and killed 12......trucks are deadlier than rifles and we let anyone drive them.....I get your point......

Trucks aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

But man, I knew the minute we have a mass shooting, there's 2AGuy making apologies for gun nuts. A mass shooting is like the Batsignal.

If you made half the effort trying to prevent nuts from getting guns that you put into excusing nuts with guns, we could make real progress here, buddy.

Guns save more lives each year than they take.......considering that the anti-gunners were the first on the scene....dragging the bodies through the blood to get them in front of the democrat press cameras, you really have no leg to stand on.......

We have all the laws on the books to stop guys like this......the problem is that asshats like you make sure normal people can't stop these attackers......due to your gun free zone laws........

Now, some truth.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And more truth...

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....he could have used a rental truck. A muslim in Nice, France used a rental truck and murdered 86 people and injured 435....this guy used a gun and killed 12......trucks are deadlier than rifles and we let anyone drive them.....I get your point......

Trucks aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

But man, I knew the minute we have a mass shooting, there's 2AGuy making apologies for gun nuts. A mass shooting is like the Batsignal.

If you made half the effort trying to prevent nuts from getting guns that you put into excusing nuts with guns, we could make real progress here, buddy.

Since the majority of gun murder in this country takes place in voting districts controlled by democrats.....and it is democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians who keep letting repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail, even with repeat arrests for illegal gun possession and use....it is the democrats who need to be punished for allowing gun murder in this country, not me......

10,982 gun murders in 2017......

93 in mass public shootings in 2018.....which means that democrat politicians and their policies are responsible for the majority of gun murder deaths every single year....

The democrat party kills people....we need to disband it...

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

 

[Ridgerunner]

 

[2aguy]

Clearly, the answer to this is more guns.

Thank god for guns.

Praise Jeebus.

Hmmmm...if the answer to this attack wasn't more guns...why did the police use their guns and not their tazers to stop this guy? You dumb ass......

 

[strollingbones]

thoughts and prayers just doesnt seem to be the answer

 

[2aguy]

thoughts and prayers just doesnt seem to be the answer

Thoughts and prayers are meant to comfort the victims....guns are the answer to the immediate problem.....more guns in the hands of normal people would have stopped or at least slowed down the killer....if not kept him from doing this altogether, since we know from actual mass shooters that they choose gun free zones to attack.

And again, my question? If guns aren't the answer, why did the police use guns instead of tasers?

 

[JoeB131]

Guns save more lives each year than they take.......

No, they don't... no one is interested in Gun Nut Propaganda.

NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS THIS PROBLEM!

Why does this not seem to get through to you?

Even a country like Germany, which let's it's citizens have guns (Just not as a "right") doesn't have these problems because they don't let the nuts get them.

The problem in America is that the NRA has decided that the nut is a prime market. They don't care about the average gun owner who owns one gun and maybe shoots it at a range once a year. He's not going to be a return market.

Nope. They care about the nut who wants LOTS of guns, wants to go out shooting all the time...

The problem being, of course, that some of those guys really are nutty enough to shoot a bunch of people.

 

[JoeB131]

Guns save more lives each year than they take.......

No, they don't... no one is interested in Gun Nut Propaganda.

NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS THIS PROBLEM!

Why does this not seem to get through to you?

Even a country like Germany, which let's it's citizens have guns (Just not as a "right") doesn't have these problems because they don't let the nuts get them.

The problem in America is that the NRA has decided that the nut is a prime market. They don't care about the average gun owner who owns one gun and maybe shoots it at a range once a year. He's not going to be a return market.

Nope. They care about the nut who wants LOTS of guns, wants to go out shooting all the time...

The problem being, of course, that some of those guys really are nutty enough to shoot a bunch of people.

 

[2aguy]

Guns save more lives each year than they take.......

No, they don't... no one is interested in Gun Nut Propaganda.

NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS THIS PROBLEM!

Why does this not seem to get through to you?

Even a country like Germany, which let's it's citizens have guns (Just not as a "right") doesn't have these problems because they don't let the nuts get them.

The problem in America is that the NRA has decided that the nut is a prime market. They don't care about the average gun owner who owns one gun and maybe shoots it at a range once a year. He's not going to be a return market.

Nope. They care about the nut who wants LOTS of guns, wants to go out shooting all the time...

The problem being, of course, that some of those guys really are nutty enough to shoot a bunch of people.

Moron....you just wrecked your own posts......Germany has guns....and yet not the mass public shootings...hence, guns aren't the issue, you dope.

This shooter didn't have lots of guns.....so far he had a pistol.....and a shotgun could have been used, a pump action shotgun...to achieve the same number of deaths.....

And again.....a muslim with a rental truck in Nice, France killed 86 people and injured 435.....if this guy had used a rental truck he could have killed a lot more people......rental trucks are deadlier than guns, we need to ban the private ownership of cars and trucks....according to your logic...

93 dead in 2018 from mass public shootings...... over 38,000 dead by private automobile.....according to your logic, the driving nuts mean we need to ban cars and trucks...

 

[2aguy]

Guns save more lives each year than they take.......

No, they don't... no one is interested in Gun Nut Propaganda.

NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS THIS PROBLEM!

Why does this not seem to get through to you?

Even a country like Germany, which let's it's citizens have guns (Just not as a "right") doesn't have these problems because they don't let the nuts get them.

The problem in America is that the NRA has decided that the nut is a prime market. They don't care about the average gun owner who owns one gun and maybe shoots it at a range once a year. He's not going to be a return market.

Nope. They care about the nut who wants LOTS of guns, wants to go out shooting all the time...

The problem being, of course, that some of those guys really are nutty enough to shoot a bunch of people.

10,982 gun murders in 2017...the majority of which are criminals in democrat voting districts killing other criminals......

Law abiding Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....

10,982 vs 1.1 million.......even a moron like you can see that guns save more lives............

 

[JoeB131]

And again, my question? If guns aren't the answer, why did the police use guns instead of tasers?

Because they had to face a nut with a gun... other countries, they don't have to use guns to fight crime because- wait for it- the bad guys don't have guns.

 

[2aguy]

And again, my question? If guns aren't the answer, why did the police use guns instead of tasers?

Because they had to face a nut with a gun... other countries, they don't have to use guns to fight crime because- wait for it- the bad guys don't have guns.

No.....the idiot who posted that guns aren't the answer needs to explain why, if guns aren't the answer, that the cops used guns instead of tasers......you moron.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....he could have used a rental truck. A muslim in Nice, France used a rental truck and murdered 86 people and injured 435....this guy used a gun and killed 12......trucks are deadlier than rifles and we let anyone drive them.....I get your point......

Trucks aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

But man, I knew the minute we have a mass shooting, there's 2AGuy making apologies for gun nuts. A mass shooting is like the Batsignal.

If you made half the effort trying to prevent nuts from getting guns that you put into excusing nuts with guns, we could make real progress here, buddy.

So......you stated this...

Trucks aren't designed to kill people.

Muslim in France with a rental truck killed 86 people, injured 435.

guy with a pistol in Virginia Beach killed 12.

So.....your point is that something not designed to kill people, killed more people than a tool you think is designed to kill people......thereby making the thing not designed to kill people more deadly than the actual tool designed to kill people....

So, according to your logic, we need to ban the tool that kills more people....right?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Need to control these atheists running around murdering people.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....he could have used a rental truck. A muslim in Nice, France used a rental truck and murdered 86 people and injured 435....this guy used a gun and killed 12......trucks are deadlier than rifles and we let anyone drive them.....I get your point......

Trucks aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

But man, I knew the minute we have a mass shooting, there's 2AGuy making apologies for gun nuts. A mass shooting is like the Batsignal.

If you made half the effort trying to prevent nuts from getting guns that you put into excusing nuts with guns, we could make real progress here, buddy.

Trucks aren't designed to kill people.

Guns, used in the illegal act of murder killed 10,982 people in 2017. ( the majority of those killed are criminals, killed in democrat voting districts)

Cars and Trucks....Trucks aren't designed to kill people.....killed over 38,000 people in 2017....

So the automobile, which you say isn't designed to kill people........killed more people than guns......showing they must have a serious f*****g design flaw if they killed more people than guns...Right?

Soooo......according to you, we need to ban private ownership of automobiles?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

he was a black guy to
guns are mostly black
coincidence ?i think not
the white supremacist gun grabbers on the thread are all nazi racist hate mongers

 

[2aguy]

Guns save more lives each year than they take.......

No, they don't... no one is interested in Gun Nut Propaganda.

NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS THIS PROBLEM!

Why does this not seem to get through to you?

Even a country like Germany, which let's it's citizens have guns (Just not as a "right") doesn't have these problems because they don't let the nuts get them.

The problem in America is that the NRA has decided that the nut is a prime market. They don't care about the average gun owner who owns one gun and maybe shoots it at a range once a year. He's not going to be a return market.

Nope. They care about the nut who wants LOTS of guns, wants to go out shooting all the time...

The problem being, of course, that some of those guys really are nutty enough to shoot a bunch of people.

NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS THIS PROBLEM!

You mean except for France? Where muslims with fully automatic weapons.....fully automatic weapons, killed 135 people when they decided to kill 135 people? A country where all rifles are banned? let alone fully automatic rifles?