VA Beach Munc Cntr Shooting: 11 Killed by Emp

[Dekster]

Wonder if they will waive due dates on real estate and personal property tax bills that are due Wednesday since the local gubbermint is all shot up.

 

[Vandalshandle]

It is all OK, folks. The shooter was a well regulated militia.

 

[22lcidw]

Clearly, the answer to this is more guns.

Thank god for guns.

Praise Jeebus.

Why not? You guilted those Christians to a nation on the verge of organized anarchy. You just don't understand why everything is not running smoothly after you have taxed people in half, lowered standards, and emasculated many of one race and sex to even things up.

 

[Issa]

1. It has to be in america.
2. Why is this news? It is the norm.
3. A Japanese man the other day stabbed a dozen I beleive non died, if he was in the US he couldve killed two dozens and we all know how.
5. Thoughts and prayers.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

1. It has to be in america.
2. Why is this news? It is the norm.
3. A Japanese man the other day stabbed a dozen I beleive non died, if he was in the US he couldve killed two dozens and we all know how.
5. Thoughts and prayers.

4. A Muslim killed a hundred and we all know how.

 

[Theowl32]

DeWayne Craddock

MSM, will be pissed.

 

[2aguy]

Clearly, the answer to this is more guns.

Thank god for guns.

Praise Jeebus.

It was a gun free zone.....how did they stop him......more guns........

And had normal, law abiding people been allowed to have their legal guns with them....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

So yes....in this case...more guns was the solution.....since more guns actually stopped him...

 

[2aguy]

Stopped by an officer with a gun.

11 dead, 6 injured after mass shooting in Virginia Beach

'Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

Exactly. And, when you disarm the targets, it leads to shit like this. Fortunately a cop who is still allowed to carry a gun, hmm, amazing how that works out, stopped the bad guy. Just imagine if one of the victims had been allowed to defend their self.

We don't have to imagine....we have real world experience....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[2aguy]

Stopped by an officer with a gun.

11 dead, 6 injured after mass shooting in Virginia Beach

'Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

Exactly. And, when you disarm the targets, it leads to shit like this. Fortunately a cop who is still allowed to carry a gun, hmm, amazing how that works out, stopped the bad guy. Just imagine if one of the victims had been allowed to defend their self.

Exactly, when poorly trained citizens who are armed and hear gun fire, shoot at other poorly trained citizens are shooting at those who shot at other poorly trained citizens.

You really are a dumb shit, every heard of Friendly Fire by highly trained members of the military?

The more you post, the dumber you seem to be.

And yet...in the real world, compared to your silly imagination....what you just posted doesn't happen....

Here is the truth....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[2aguy]

Another good guy with a gun....until he's not.

And yet, no.........90% of those who commit murder have long histories of crime and violence going back to their teenage years....so you can make up b.s. about normal people going nuts and killing people...but it isn't even remotely true..........I bet this guy had a long history of crazy behavior and warning signs...

 

[2aguy]

1. It has to be in america.
2. Why is this news? It is the norm.
3. A Japanese man the other day stabbed a dozen I beleive non died, if he was in the US he couldve killed two dozens and we all know how.
5. Thoughts and prayers.

Yes....he could have used a rental truck. A muslim in Nice, France used a rental truck and murdered 86 people and injured 435....this guy used a gun and killed 12......trucks are deadlier than rifles and we let anyone drive them.....I get your point......

 

[2aguy]

DeWayne Craddock

MSM, will be pissed.

Is that really him? If it is...this story will go away in 3.....2....1.....

 

[Theowl32]

DeWayne Craddock

MSM, will be pissed.

Is that really him? If it is...this story will go away in 3.....2....1.....

Apparently.

His name is Dewayne Craddock.

Only one group of idiots name their kids that. I mean they could not all be called Kunta.

 

[2aguy]

And....the anti-gunners didn't wait to drag the bodies through the blood and gore to get in front of the cameras......

What did the NRA do exactly.....? I mean, other than likely train the police who went in to stop this guy?

Bernie Sanders Blasts NRA, Calls for Gun Laws After VA Beach Shooting

See....bernie, who supported the Soviet Union, believes only the government should murder people.....since the Soviet Union murdered 25 million people.......private murder should be outlawed....

By the way......if Bernie wants gun laws....shouldn't we start with making murder illegal in Virginia Beach? I mean, if they had only made murder illegal, this wouldn't have happened. It is pretty amazing that Virginia Beach doesn't have laws against murder....in this day and age....

 

[2aguy]

Government job....pension.......what exactly did this guy have to complain about? Let alone murder people over?

 

[2aguy]

So far, the only weapon mentioned was a .45 pistol.....any other guns named yet?

The anti-gunners....are busy praying that the guy had an AR-15 rifle........

 

[2aguy]

The guns were purchased legally.......how did those background checks work out? What we really need are super duper background checks......you know, the ones that would really, really work.......

 

[2aguy]

He was fired from his job.....I would like to know exactly what behavior would get a public employee at the municipal level....a trained engineer, fired from a job that likely has lifetime job security.........and if his picture is accurate, we likely won't hear about the behavior in the democrat press...

 

[2aguy]

Senator Tim Kaine.........couldn't wait to get to the dead bodies and cameras...another anti-gunner walking through the blood to demand normal people give up their guns.......even though they didn't use their guns to shoot anyone...

 

[JoeB131]

Yes....he could have used a rental truck. A muslim in Nice, France used a rental truck and murdered 86 people and injured 435....this guy used a gun and killed 12......trucks are deadlier than rifles and we let anyone drive them.....I get your point......

Trucks aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

But man, I knew the minute we have a mass shooting, there's 2AGuy making apologies for gun nuts. A mass shooting is like the Batsignal.

If you made half the effort trying to prevent nuts from getting guns that you put into excusing nuts with guns, we could make real progress here, buddy.