VA Beach Munc Cntr Shooting: 11 Killed by Emp

[2aguy]

Okay...so far......attacker was Black, using a pistol....

How long before this story fades into the democrat press memory hole?

 

[JoeB131]

No.....the idiot who posted that guns aren't the answer needs to explain why, if guns aren't the answer, that the cops used guns instead of tasers......you moron.

Nope,


That's not an answer.

Cops with guns are fine. They are trained professionals.

Idiots with tiny dicks with guns is a problem. Too many of them use them.

 

[JoeB131]

Okay...so far......attacker was Black, using a pistol....

How long before this story fades into the democrat press memory hole?

About the same amount of time every mass shooting does... until the next one happens in 3...2...1.

 

[2aguy]

No.....the idiot who posted that guns aren't the answer needs to explain why, if guns aren't the answer, that the cops used guns instead of tasers......you moron.

Nope,


That's not an answer.

Cops with guns are fine. They are trained professionals.

Idiots with tiny dicks with guns is a problem. Too many of them use them.

again.....you are ignoring the point made by the anti-gunner...if guns are not the answer, why did the police use guns instead of tasers?

And normal people who have their legal guns when attacked in by a mass shooter?

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean except for France? Where muslims with fully automatic weapons.....fully automatic weapons, killed 135 people when they decided to kill 135 people? A country where all rifles are banned? let alone fully automatic rifles?

Okay, that's a terrorist group... not an average citizen going nuts one day.

So they had one incident, two or three years ago...

We have one of these every week.

 

[2aguy]

Okay...so far......attacker was Black, using a pistol....

How long before this story fades into the democrat press memory hole?

About the same amount of time every mass shooting does... until the next one happens in 3...2...1.

Nope......when the attacker doesn't fit the anti-gun agenda, the story is buried by the democrat party press....

 

[JoeB131]

he was a black guy to
guns are mostly black
coincidence ?i think not
the white supremacist gun grabbers on the thread are all nazi racist hate mongers

The Nazis didn't confiscate guns. In fact, gun laws in Nazi Germany were more permissive than they were under the Wiemar Republic that preceded it.

And this funny thing happened. When the SS Came by for the Jews, not a single "Good German with a gun" popped out to stop them. Not fucking once. The usually said, "Get that dirty jew!"

 

[2aguy]

You mean except for France? Where muslims with fully automatic weapons.....fully automatic weapons, killed 135 people when they decided to kill 135 people? A country where all rifles are banned? let alone fully automatic rifles?

Okay, that's a terrorist group... not an average citizen going nuts one day.

So they had one incident, two or three years ago...

We have one of these every week.

We don't have them every week......in 2018 there were 12......since you are a dope, we have 52 weeks in a year......

Again..... 93 people killed by guns in mass public shootings in 2018........ over 38,000 killed by cars....

Join the campaign to ban privately owned cars....killing machines that do not belong in the hands of civilians...only the police and military should have vehicles....

 

[JoeB131]

Nope......when the attacker doesn't fit the anti-gun agenda, the story is buried by the democrat party press....

when does this happen? Seems to me that we have a pretty short attention span about these things in general....

I mean, yeah, when you have a really awful story involving kids... um, that has legs until you all attack the kids who speak up.

 

[2aguy]

he was a black guy to
guns are mostly black
coincidence ?i think not
the white supremacist gun grabbers on the thread are all nazi racist hate mongers

The Nazis didn't confiscate guns. In fact, gun laws in Nazi Germany were more permissive than they were under the Wiemar Republic that preceded it.

And this funny thing happened. When the SS Came by for the Jews, not a single "Good German with a gun" popped out to stop them. Not fucking once. The usually said, "Get that dirty jew!"

Yes...the national socialists confiscated guns....you are lying again. They took the guns away from the people they planned on murdering....12 million of them, and allowed guns in the hands of nazi police....you know, the police you think should be the only ones to have guns. The good Germans were already beaten into a pulp by the socialists....because when it mattered, they didn't have guns to stop the nazi thugs...

 

[2aguy]

Nope......when the attacker doesn't fit the anti-gun agenda, the story is buried by the democrat party press....

when does this happen? Seems to me that we have a pretty short attention span about these things in general....

I mean, yeah, when you have a really awful story involving kids... um, that has legs until you all attack the kids who speak up.

When the shooter is black or another minority and doesn't use an AR-15 rifle, you dope....

 

[Weatherman2020]

Guns save more lives each year than they take.......

No, they don't... no one is interested in Gun Nut Propaganda.

NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS THIS PROBLEM!

Why does this not seem to get through to you?

Even a country like Germany, which let's it's citizens have guns (Just not as a "right") doesn't have these problems because they don't let the nuts get them.

The problem in America is that the NRA has decided that the nut is a prime market. They don't care about the average gun owner who owns one gun and maybe shoots it at a range once a year. He's not going to be a return market.

Nope. They care about the nut who wants LOTS of guns, wants to go out shooting all the time...

The problem being, of course, that some of those guys really are nutty enough to shoot a bunch of people.

NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS THIS PROBLEM!

You mean except for France? Where muslims with fully automatic weapons.....fully automatic weapons, killed 135 people when they decided to kill 135 people? A country where all rifles are banned? let alone fully automatic rifles?

No other country has this problem.
Except France, Sweden, El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico, Bali, Russia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Australia, China, Egypt, New Zealand, Pakistan, Romania, etc etc.

 

[JoeB131]

We don't have them every week......in 2018 there were 12......since you are a dope, we have 52 weeks in a year......

Yeah, if you keep changing the bar...

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2018 - Wikipedia

Of the shootings that meet the criteria for inclusion here, there were 323 shootings, 387 were killed and 1274 injured, and 3 mass shootings occurred at a school.

Again..... 93 people killed by guns in mass public shootings in 2018........ over 38,000 killed by cars....

Join the campaign to ban privately owned cars....killing machines that do not belong in the hands of civilians...only the police and military should have vehicles....

40,000 died from guns last year.

We need cars. We don't need guns. Most countries get by without guns just fine.

 

[JoeB131]

When the shooter is black or another minority and doesn't use an AR-15 rifle, you dope....

YOu are right... that' just remains on the scopes until THE NEXT ONE HAPPENS next week.

And you'll be back here, making excuses for the gun industry.

 

[JoeB131]

No other country has this problem.
Except France, Sweden, El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico, Bali, Russia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Australia, China, Egypt, New Zealand, Pakistan, Romania, etc etc.

Most of these countries are third world failed states. (Except for France, which doesn't have these problems).

Oh, yeah.. and New Zealand. They had a single mass shooting, and then they- Wait for it- Actually changed the gun laws!!!!

This is what you want, to aspire to be a third world failed state?

 

[2aguy]

We don't have them every week......in 2018 there were 12......since you are a dope, we have 52 weeks in a year......

Yeah, if you keep changing the bar...

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2018 - Wikipedia

Of the shootings that meet the criteria for inclusion here, there were 323 shootings, 387 were killed and 1274 injured, and 3 mass shootings occurred at a school.

Again..... 93 people killed by guns in mass public shootings in 2018........ over 38,000 killed by cars....

Join the campaign to ban privately owned cars....killing machines that do not belong in the hands of civilians...only the police and military should have vehicles....

40,000 died from guns last year.

We need cars. We don't need guns. Most countries get by without guns just fine.

Wrong......you are counting criminals fighting over gang territory which are not mass public shootings...completely different category......and again, the democrats doing the shootings should have been in prison, but were let out by democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians...

The actual number of mass public shootings was 12 in 2018, as chronicled by the Mother Jones, mass public shooting data base....which follows the actual definition of mass public shootings...

US mass shootings, 1982-2019: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

 

[2aguy]

No other country has this problem.
Except France, Sweden, El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico, Bali, Russia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Australia, China, Egypt, New Zealand, Pakistan, Romania, etc etc.

Most of these countries are third world failed states. (Except for France, which doesn't have these problems).

This is what you want, to aspire to be a third world failed state?

The weapon of choice for French crimnials is the fully automatic AK-47....they don't have mass public shootings because their welfare state hasn't destroyed their nuclear family structure....due to the cultural destruction caused by World War 2....but that is now changing....

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

Military-grade guns are banned in France, and even people who want to own a handgun or hunting rifle have to go through strict checks on their background and mental health.


But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”

Pa

 

[2aguy]

When the shooter is black or another minority and doesn't use an AR-15 rifle, you dope....

YOu are right... that' just remains on the scopes until THE NEXT ONE HAPPENS next week.

And you'll be back here, making excuses for the gun industry.

The gun industry isn't allowing repeat gun offenders out of jail....democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicans are doing that.....

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

 

[2aguy]

No other country has this problem.
Except France, Sweden, El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico, Bali, Russia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Australia, China, Egypt, New Zealand, Pakistan, Romania, etc etc.

Most of these countries are third world failed states. (Except for France, which doesn't have these problems).

Oh, yeah.. and New Zealand. They had a single mass shooting, and then they- Wait for it- Actually changed the gun laws!!!!

This is what you want, to aspire to be a third world failed state?

Brazil is learning....

Bolsonaro loosens gun laws in murder-ridden Brazil - Reuters

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro on Tuesday signed a temporary decree making it easier for Brazilians to buy guns, delivering on a campaign promise to overturn strict regulations in a country suffering from a record wave of murders.

He did this in January.....

Murder Rates in Brazil Drop | The Rio Times

Drop by 25%....January, February....

Murder Rates Drop in Bolsonaro's Brazil: More Guns, Less Crime

Rio De Janeiro, Brazil -(Ammoland.com)- During the first two months of President Bolsonaro's term, the Brazilian murder rate fell by 25%. From riotimesonline.com:

RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL – The murder rates in Brazil for January and February this year were 25 percent lower compared to the same period last year, according to G1’s national homicide index. The index is based on official data from the 26 states and the Federal District.

Jair Bolsonaro was elected President of Brazil on 28 October 2018. President Bolsonaro has been adamant about reforming Brazil's extreme gun laws, to allow more Brazilians to defend themselves.

Did President Bolsonaro's reform policies in favor of self-defense cause the drop in murder rates? The answer is complicated. Bolsonaro's policies probably had a positive effect.

 

[2aguy]

No other country has this problem.
Except France, Sweden, El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico, Bali, Russia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Australia, China, Egypt, New Zealand, Pakistan, Romania, etc etc.

Most of these countries are third world failed states. (Except for France, which doesn't have these problems).

Oh, yeah.. and New Zealand. They had a single mass shooting, and then they- Wait for it- Actually changed the gun laws!!!!

This is what you want, to aspire to be a third world failed state?

They had guns in New Zealand all these years...yet no mass public shootings.....so you have no point, again. It isn't gun ownership that causes mass public shootings....fatherless homes cause mass public shootings.....