VA is servicing illegals before Vets

[Harpy Eagle]

On an emergency basis, they have to see whomever is presented. I’m not sure if the VA’s have emergency care centers though.

At any rate, the story is probably bullshit if they are stating that the VA is seeing patients who are not veterans on a regular basis considering what we had to do to get my father into the VA. They are incredibly thorough and officious.

yes, the story is bullshit.

 

[Lesh]

On an emergency basis, they have to see whomever is presented. I’m not sure if the VA’s have emergency care centers though.

At any rate, the story is probably bullshit if they are stating that the VA is seeing patients who are not veterans on a regular basis considering what we had to do to get my father into the VA. They are incredibly thorough and officious.

Not “probably”

It IS bullshit

 

[candycorn]

Illegals make plenty of money stealing, selling drugs, home invasions. How our government gets away with enabling this shit is incredible.

Ahh that is why they live in those tent cities....

Whomever is enabling your cocaine habit is incredible.

 

[candycorn]

yes, the story is bullshit.

Old song I know but why do the mods allow this?

The OP’s own link is asking an open question, the OP’s title answers the question his source is asking.

 

[candycorn]

Not “probably”

It IS bullshit

Well, if you look at the number of illegal aliens and the FEDERAL facilities for healthcare near the border, I wouldn’t be surprised if federal detainees are taken to federal facilities for emergency (key word there) healthcare.

By law, if someone presents needing emergency care, a healthcare entity is obligated to provide that care to sustain life. Then you call County to come pick them up once they are stable. So to say it “doesn’t happen” is probably not true.

And the health care decisions are almost always procedures for emergency care. Therapy and PC are out the door at that point.

But the OP, of course, is lying that there are illegals scheduling procedures, showing up, getting them for free from the VA.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Nonsense.

The VA is not providing such healthcare.

The VA is not paying for such healthcare.

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All the VA is doing is helping ICE process reimbursements to independent healthcare providers OUTSIDE the VA.

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The money is NOT coming from the VA nor is the modest additional processing workload impacting veteran care in the slightest.

This was an interagency accommodation first set into motion in 2020 by the Trump Administration and is just now coming to light.

Why is ICE leaning on the VA for help with paying independent providers for medical care for detainees?

Because ICE has no large-scale nationwide network of independent healthcare providers nor the claim and payment processing resources.

So the Trump administration decided to use an underutilized resource within the VA to help with that... actually, a good decision for once.

No big deal.

MEH.

Dog bites Man.

The VA has a backlog of Veterans claims. I do not give a shit for the reasons behind this. Resources that should be used for Veterans is being diverted to illegal aliens. I give zero shit fucks what administration started this crap it needs to stop immediately. Veterans first.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Old song I know but why do the mods allow this?

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The OP’s own link is asking an open question, the OP’s title answers the question his source is asking.

Processing medical claims is diverting resources that should be used for Veterans. The VA has a backlog of disability claims. This is not right no matter who the fuck is in charge.

 

[candycorn]

Processing medical claims is diverting resources that should be used for Veterans. The VA has a backlog of disability claims. This is not right no matter who the fuck is in charge.

I think you responded to the wrong poster.

The OP said “procedures”...not clerical work.

Was he lying?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I think you responded to the wrong poster.

The OP said “procedures”...not clerical work.

Was he lying?

I don't give a shit about the OP's post. I'm responding to you loons "it's just clerical". It is still resources diverted from Veterans.

 

[AMart]

Remember when Dems said illegals don't get free stuff? Big lie.

New Rule Makes Clear that Noncitizens Who Receive Health or Other Benefits to which they are Entitled Will Not Suffer Harmful Immigration Consequences​

Today, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) issued a final rule applicable to noncitizens who receive or wish to apply for benefits provided by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and States that support low-income families and adults. The rule, which details how DHS will interpret the “public charge” ground of inadmissibility, will help ensure that noncitizens can access health-related benefits and other supplemental government services to which they are entitled by law, without triggering harmful immigration consequences. By codifying in regulation the “totality of the circumstances” approach that is authorized by statute and which has long been utilized by DHS, the rule makes it clear that individual factors, such as a person’s disability or use of benefits alone will not lead to a public charge determination.

New Rule Makes Clear that Noncitizens Who Receive Health or Other Benefits to which they are Entitled Will Not Suffer Harmful Immigration Consequences

Accessing Children’s Health Insurance Program and Most Medicaid Benefits Will Not Affect Immigration Status

www.hhs.gov

 

[candycorn]

I don't give a shit about the OP's post.

Translation...you know the OP is lying too. Thanks.

I'm responding to you loons "it's just clerical". It is still resources diverted from Veterans.

Again, I didn’t say that. Perhaps respond to the poster who said it.

 

[candycorn]

Remember when Dems said illegals don't get free stuff? Big lie.

New Rule Makes Clear that Noncitizens Who Receive Health or Other Benefits to which they are Entitled Will Not Suffer Harmful Immigration Consequences​

Today, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) issued a final rule applicable to noncitizens who receive or wish to apply for benefits provided by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and States that support low-income families and adults. The rule, which details how DHS will interpret the “public charge” ground of inadmissibility, will help ensure that noncitizens can access health-related benefits and other supplemental government services to which they are entitled by law, without triggering harmful immigration consequences. By codifying in regulation the “totality of the circumstances” approach that is authorized by statute and which has long been utilized by DHS, the rule makes it clear that individual factors, such as a person’s disability or use of benefits alone will not lead to a public charge determination.

New Rule Makes Clear that Noncitizens Who Receive Health or Other Benefits to which they are Entitled Will Not Suffer Harmful Immigration Consequences

Accessing Children’s Health Insurance Program and Most Medicaid Benefits Will Not Affect Immigration Status

www.hhs.gov

How far do you plan on moving those goal posts there?

 

[AMart]

Dept. of VA Under Fire for Treating Illegal Aliens While Ignoring Care for Veterans​

How far do you plan on moving those goal posts there?

The Federal government pays for free health care for illegals. Are you really going to try to deny this?

 

[22lcidw]

Well, if you look at the number of illegal aliens and the FEDERAL facilities for healthcare near the border, I wouldn’t be surprised if federal detainees are taken to federal facilities for emergency (key word there) healthcare.

By law, if someone presents needing emergency care, a healthcare entity is obligated to provide that care to sustain life. Then you call County to come pick them up once they are stable. So to say it “doesn’t happen” is probably not true.

And the health care decisions are almost always procedures for emergency care. Therapy and PC are out the door at that point.

But the OP, of course, is lying that there are illegals scheduling procedures, showing up, getting them for free from the VA.

That is true in cities and other areas where people are considered impoverished unless you tell me different. A lot of money is spent on this. Now, does Obamacare pay for a percentage of it? That means people are taxes and pay more for premiums in health insurance for others. Medicaid for example in 1970 was Five billion dollars spent. In 2020 it was Six Hundred and Sixty-Five billion dollars. See how things increased. Medicare in 1970 was Seven and a Half billion dollars. In 2022 it was Nine Hundred billion dollars. Now these costs are rising much more than inflation from those statistics. You can see how other nations reduce the care for guaranteed medical for each person. And we are a sickly nation.

 

[Flash]

If it is true that VA resources are being used to give health care to the goddamn Illegals then some people need to go to prison. That is stealing aid from our veterans that has been allocated by Congress.

We can start by sending this Potatohead asshole to jail. He is responsible. Stealing from our Veterans is despicable.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

If it is true that VA resources are being used to give health care to the goddamn Illegals then some people need to go to prison. That is stealing aid from our veterans that has been allocated by Congress.

We can start by sending this Potatohead asshole to jail. He is responsible. Stealing from our Veterans is despicable.

It is not true, the VA is merely processing claims, something they have done since 2002.

But hey, if you are wanting to put every POTUS from that timeframe in jail for it I am 100% on board.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The VA is not treating illegals, you were lied to and are too fucking stupid/lazy to check for yourself.

From the "border is not open" Administration?

Wolverines make great house pets!

 

[Mac-7]

And then there is the real story...

VA's role in migrant medical care draws scrutiny from advocates as border crisis intensifies

A long-standing arrangement between ICE and the VA is worrying veterans' advocates, who are concerned that it could be having a knock-on effect on veteran care.

www.foxnews.com

When an illegal immigrant under ICE detention requires healthcare, they are typically treated on-site by medical professionals. However, if specialist or emergency care is required, they may be transported to an independent private provider.

In such cases, ICE contracts with the VA’s Financial Service Center (VA-FSC) to process reimbursements to those providers. According to a report from July, ICE has hundreds of letters of understanding in which ICE’s Health Service Corps (IHSC) will reimburse providers at Medicare rates. That uses the VA-FSC’s Healthcare Claims Processing System — a portal that allows providers to submit and view claims and access other resources.

The arrangement long predates the Biden administration. It was outlined in a 2020 memo during the Trump administration, and the VA told Fox News Digital that it has an interagency agreement with the IHSC since 2002 to provide processing. The agency stressed that it is not the VA that either provides healthcare or pays for it.

"VA does not provide or fund any health care services to individuals detained in [ICE] custody. At no time are any VA health care professionals or VA funds used for this purpose," VA press secretary Terrence Hayes told Fox News Digital. "[IHSC] provides and pays for all health care services for individuals detained in its custody."

Assuming there are no gross misrepresentations in VA reply you provided then you deserve an attaboy for setting the record straight

It wouldnt hurt if biden and the illegals awarded you a Defender of the Realm knighthood for your service also

The basic question is why we are treating them at all instead of returning them back across the border the same day they get here

 

[beautress]

Score one for America's generosity!

No one in or outside of this country is more worthy than the brave soldiers who have time and again served the people of this nation by putting themselves into harm's way that could have at any time prevented them from becoming veterans. Those who survived combat that killed their fellows know this better than any of us in the nonmilitant group. The Vietnam War was particularly harsh psychologically on those who served bravely, only to come home to incidents at FPO in which the ignorant spat upon arrivals of men who suffered considerably from the weight of the war upon their shoulders to free people in South Vietnam from their separated communist brethren in North Vietnam who wanted a totalitarian rule over those in South Vietnam whom they considered pesky and worthy of the severest of consequences to their thoughtless, unkind, and visciously ambitious ends.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The basic question is why we are treating them at all instead of returning them back across the border the same day they get here

ask Congress.