VietNam..April 30th....How It Ended.

[Oldguy]

the north vietnamese used to say they always knew they were assured of victory. what we don't win on the battlefield we will win in your universities, like berkley and columbia. We will win in your cities and through your journalists. and were they ever right.

they also said since it was their country they would just wait us out like they did the French

see?

They were prepared to fight 100 years. We weren't. We're not in Afghanistan either. Or Iraq.

 

[Sunni Man]

they also said since it was their country they would just wait us out like they did the French

They didn't have to wait out the French.

The French military was soundly defeated by the Viet Minh under the leadership of Ho Chi Minh. ..

 

[Spoonman]

the north vietnamese used to say they always knew they were assured of victory. what we don't win on the battlefield we will win in your universities, like berkley and columbia. We will win in your cities and through your journalists. and were they ever right.

they also said since it was their country they would just wait us out like they did the French

see?

the french lost twice with a home court advantage. you really expected them to win on the road?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

hating on the French...another great American tradition

 

[Spoonman]

the north vietnamese used to say they always knew they were assured of victory. what we don't win on the battlefield we will win in your universities, like berkley and columbia. We will win in your cities and through your journalists. and were they ever right.

Meaning, they were counting on free speech?

yea free speech. you know where journalists visited the POW's in Hanoi and reported how well the criminals were being treated but neglected to mention they were being tortured and killed.

 

[there4eyeM]

the north vietnamese used to say they always knew they were assured of victory. what we don't win on the battlefield we will win in your universities, like berkley and columbia. We will win in your cities and through your journalists. and were they ever right.

they also said since it was their country they would just wait us out like they did the French

see?

the french lost twice with a home court advantage. you really expected them to win on the road?

Lost what twice?

With all the wars all the Europeans fought, everyone lost at least two wars. How many countries had the military success of the French under Napoleon? How many great armies and empires did they humiliate 'on the road'?

WWII started poorly for France (in large part because they allowed the English to dominate with a flawed plan) and perhaps lost the first round, but under De Gaulle and with its allies, the enemy was expelled. People should give up this idiotic Franophobia. The American Revolution should make Americans eternally love the French (whom were never repaid, by the way, for the loans they made).

The problem with wars is if you fight enough of them, you lose sometime. Rewriting history may help, though.

Did the US win in Vietnam? Was it a war? What about Iraq and Afghanistan? Those are victories? And what are they? Did Congress make them formally wars?

One more point; isn't it odd that no one referred to Indochina and the fighting there as Christians against Buddhists.

 

[Spoonman]

hating on the French...another great American tradition

well that and facts don't lie

 

[Spoonman]

they also said since it was their country they would just wait us out like they did the French

see?

the french lost twice with a home court advantage. you really expected them to win on the road?

Lost what twice?

With all the wars all the Europeans fought, everyone lost at least two wars. How many countries had the military success of the French under Napoleon? How many great armies and empires did they humiliate 'on the road'?

WWII started poorly for France (in large part because they allowed the English to dominate with a flawed plan) and perhaps lost the first round, but under De Gaulle and with its allies, the enemy was expelled. People should give up this idiotic Franophobia. The American Revolution should make Americans eternally love the French (whom were never repaid, by the way, for the loans they made).

The problem with wars is if you fight enough of them, you lose sometime. Rewriting history may help, though.

Did the US win in Vietnam? Was it a war? What about Iraq and Afghanistan? Those are victories? And what are they? Did Congress make them formally wars?

One more point; isn't it odd that no one referred to Indochina and the fighting there as Christians against Buddhists.

please, the built defenses based on old technology and then buried their heads in the sand. oh and Waterloo

 

[there4eyeM]

the north vietnamese used to say they always knew they were assured of victory. what we don't win on the battlefield we will win in your universities, like berkley and columbia. We will win in your cities and through your journalists. and were they ever right.

Meaning, they were counting on free speech?

yea free speech. you know where journalists visited the POW's in Hanoi and reported how well the criminals were being treated but neglected to mention they were being tortured and killed.

Many people like free speech when they like what it says.

 

[Dot Com]

They were prepared to fight 100 years. We weren't. We're not in Afghanistan either. Or Iraq.

exactly what I was thinking. Ancient cultures look at time in different ways. Who was it that said "you have the watch but we have the time."? Someone in Afghanistan The Afghanis will simply wait us out/wear us down over time just like the Vietnamese did.

FAILTHREAD!!!

 

[Spoonman]

Meaning, they were counting on free speech?

yea free speech. you know where journalists visited the POW's in Hanoi and reported how well the criminals were being treated but neglected to mention they were being tortured and killed.

Many people like free speech when they like what it says.

and they knew they could count on free speech that was one sided. They knew liberals always had an agenda

 

[there4eyeM]

the french lost twice with a home court advantage. you really expected them to win on the road?

Lost what twice?

With all the wars all the Europeans fought, everyone lost at least two wars. How many countries had the military success of the French under Napoleon? How many great armies and empires did they humiliate 'on the road'?

WWII started poorly for France (in large part because they allowed the English to dominate with a flawed plan) and perhaps lost the first round, but under De Gaulle and with its allies, the enemy was expelled. People should give up this idiotic Franophobia. The American Revolution should make Americans eternally love the French (whom were never repaid, by the way, for the loans they made).

The problem with wars is if you fight enough of them, you lose sometime. Rewriting history may help, though.

Did the US win in Vietnam? Was it a war? What about Iraq and Afghanistan? Those are victories? And what are they? Did Congress make them formally wars?

One more point; isn't it odd that no one referred to Indochina and the fighting there as Christians against Buddhists.

please, the built defenses based on old technology and then buried their heads in the sand. oh and Waterloo

Oh, and know nothing!
Did the Germans come through the Maginot line? They came through the Ardennes Forest while the French Army was over to the west with the Brits at the latter's insistence. Then, they covered the English forces' ass as they evacuated and left the French to the tender mercies of the Germans. At that point, Paris was indefensible.

Napoleon was not a great man in my book, but he was a military genius. Of course, no general wins all the time.

But isn't this thread about something else?

 

[there4eyeM]

yea free speech. you know where journalists visited the POW's in Hanoi and reported how well the criminals were being treated but neglected to mention they were being tortured and killed.

Many people like free speech when they like what it says.

and they knew they could count on free speech that was one sided. They knew liberals always had an agenda

If the 'liberals' were so omnipresent and powerful as you and others seem to want us to believe, they would have totally taken over and your butt would be in a re-education camp somewhere, or worse.

You live in a make-believe world where everything bad is your opposing camp. How is it that whatever it is that you imagine your side is (conservatives) could never effectively resist these 'liberals' (whatever that means)? Moral inferiority? Intellectual incapacity? Lack of funding? Please, explain.

 

[Spoonman]

Many people like free speech when they like what it says.

and they knew they could count on free speech that was one sided. They knew liberals always had an agenda

If the 'liberals' were so omnipresent and powerful as you and others seem to want us to believe, they would have totally taken over and your butt would be in a re-education camp somewhere, or worse.

You live in a make-believe world where everything bad is your opposing camp. How is it that whatever it is that you imagine your side is (conservatives) could never effectively resist these 'liberals' (whatever that means)? Moral inferiority? Intellectual incapacity? Lack of funding? Please, explain.

but they aren't all that powerful. they use the tools they control. which is most of the universities and the media.

 

[Dot Com]

The French are surrender monkeys.......always have been. ..

They were smart enough to run away. For some reason the Americans thought they could do better

 

[there4eyeM]

Is it possible for people to know less than nothing?

 

[Spoonman]

The French are surrender monkeys.......always have been. ..

They were smart enough to run away. For some reason the Americans thought they could do better

americans could do better. when they fought wars to win wars. when wars became a political statement and negotiation tool is when we started to have problems

 

[there4eyeM]

The French are surrender monkeys.......always have been. ..

They were smart enough to run away. For some reason the Americans thought they could do better

americans could do better. when they fought wars to win wars. when wars became a political statement and negotiation tool is when we started to have problems

So, those protesting for peace were right.

 

[Spoonman]

They were smart enough to run away. For some reason the Americans thought they could do better

americans could do better. when they fought wars to win wars. when wars became a political statement and negotiation tool is when we started to have problems

So, those protesting for peace were right.

no, they were mostly left and asking not what they could do for their country but what their country could do for them.

 

[there4eyeM]

americans could do better. when they fought wars to win wars. when wars became a political statement and negotiation tool is when we started to have problems

So, those protesting for peace were right.

no, they were mostly left and asking not what they could do for their country but what their country could do for them.

But you just said the war was wrong. Shouldn't patriots look out for what's best for the country?