Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Actually it did stop them and it helped wipe out the viet cong, Or perhaps you can list for us the times the NV took territory while the US was there?

That is what was wrong about the US strategy in Vietnam
It was never about territory and body counts. It was about the hearts and minds of the people.
Western occupiers were never welcome. As long as the French or US was there, you were going to face resistance.

After 72 South Vietnam was stable.

How could they be “stable” with so many N Vietnamese troops occupying Southern territory?

They were stable to allow US troops to withdraw

the south had only a little of North Vietnam occupying territory, the Viet Cong were destroyed and the military was confident in it's abilities.

You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban

look you moron the Viet Cong destroyed themselves in the TET offensive. If you want to be taken seriously learn a few real facts.

Took a licking but never disappeared
If they were so destroyed and there was no threat from the North......Why did S Vietnam fall like a cheap folding table?

They were provided the best equipment, supplies and training
But they were an inept force

Again you fucking Moron SV fell to an external Invasion not to any insurgency. And even with out supplies spare parts or air support the South fought for a month against that Invasion, we are done until or unless you learn some real facts not your make believe bullshit.

 

[White 6]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

When did Congress declare that war?

They never did. I don't think we did in Korea either. We haven't in Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria, but relied on what was supposed to be short term authorization that developed a life of it's own through mission creep.
Only time I can remember us denying a president the authorization to use and pay for using the force was with the Contra/Sandinista thing down in Nicaragua. I am familiar with that one, as the CIA invited me to resign my commission (for deniability) and go there, because I was known to be good at what I did and would get it back after it was over. Pretty open ended from the word go. Had friends that went. Plane was shot down. We denied we had them or the plane there for weeks as the survivors exfiltrated the country. I had a strict policy favoring my wife and kids. I would not take chances on disappearing or dying anonymously across some line where we weren't supposed to be, not operating under UCMJ or even the limited protection of rules of war and turned it down 2 weeks before the trip.

 

[White 6]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yep. I have heard Kennedy wanted out. Have heard it speculated, that is part of why he was assassinated. In the end, Johnson knew it was a foolish waste of lives and money, and the reason he did not run again for president.
Still, that does not change the fact, Hanoi Jane was and is a traitor and for going there to publicly support our enemy while we had troops dying in the field there, supposedly in the name of freedom and democracy.

 

[gipper]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Actually it did stop them and it helped wipe out the viet cong, Or perhaps you can list for us the times the NV took territory while the US was there?

That is what was wrong about the US strategy in Vietnam
It was never about territory and body counts. It was about the hearts and minds of the people.
Western occupiers were never welcome. As long as the French or US was there, you were going to face resistance.

After 72 South Vietnam was stable.

How could they be “stable” with so many N Vietnamese troops occupying Southern territory?

They were stable to allow US troops to withdraw

the south had only a little of North Vietnam occupying territory, the Viet Cong were destroyed and the military was confident in it's abilities.

You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban

look you moron the Viet Cong destroyed themselves in the TET offensive. If you want to be taken seriously learn a few real facts.

Took a licking but never disappeared
If they were so destroyed and there was no threat from the North......Why did S Vietnam fall like a cheap folding table?

They were provided the best equipment, supplies and training
But they were an inept force

Again you fucking Moron SV fell to an external Invasion not to any insurgency. And even with out supplies spare parts or air support the South fought for a month against that Invasion, we are done until or unless you learn some real facts not your make believe bullshit.

One month after we propped them up for ten years
The South was not going to survive unless we continued to feed the beast and do their fighting

 

[White 6]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Kennedy wanted to pull out, ordering 1,000 of the 16,000 (at that time) pulled out and had plans to pull most of the rest, leaving small number of advisors if he won the 1964 election. Some say that is why he was shot.

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

JFK never made it to the election
The Vietnam that JFK faced in 61-63 was nothing like what LBJ faced in 63 and beyond

Look at it this way. JFK had the same Sec Defenses and Generals that LBJ had. He would have made the same mistakes and fallen into the same trap

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Actually it did stop them and it helped wipe out the viet cong, Or perhaps you can list for us the times the NV took territory while the US was there?

That is what was wrong about the US strategy in Vietnam
It was never about territory and body counts. It was about the hearts and minds of the people.
Western occupiers were never welcome. As long as the French or US was there, you were going to face resistance.

After 72 South Vietnam was stable.

How could they be “stable” with so many N Vietnamese troops occupying Southern territory?

They were stable to allow US troops to withdraw

the south had only a little of North Vietnam occupying territory, the Viet Cong were destroyed and the military was confident in it's abilities.

You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban

look you moron the Viet Cong destroyed themselves in the TET offensive. If you want to be taken seriously learn a few real facts.

Took a licking but never disappeared
If they were so destroyed and there was no threat from the North......Why did S Vietnam fall like a cheap folding table?

They were provided the best equipment, supplies and training
But they were an inept force

Again you fucking Moron SV fell to an external Invasion not to any insurgency. And even with out supplies spare parts or air support the South fought for a month against that Invasion, we are done until or unless you learn some real facts not your make believe bullshit.

One month after we propped them up for ten years
The South was not going to survive unless we continued to feed rage beast and do their fighting

Not interested in uninformed moronic drivel so either learn facts or go away.

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Kennedy wanted to pull out, ordering 1,000 of the 16,000 (at that time) pulled out and had plans to pull most of the rest, leaving small number of advisors if he won the 1964 election. Some say that is why he was shot.

Any politician would have made the same mistakes that LBJ made regardless of party. JFK did not want to appear soft on Communism, that is what Republicans accused him of.
He also would not have wanted Vietnam to turn Communist on his watch.
He would have taken the bait and sent in more troops, then more and then more

 

[gipper]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Actually it did stop them and it helped wipe out the viet cong, Or perhaps you can list for us the times the NV took territory while the US was there?

That is what was wrong about the US strategy in Vietnam
It was never about territory and body counts. It was about the hearts and minds of the people.
Western occupiers were never welcome. As long as the French or US was there, you were going to face resistance.

After 72 South Vietnam was stable.

How could they be “stable” with so many N Vietnamese troops occupying Southern territory?

They were stable to allow US troops to withdraw

the south had only a little of North Vietnam occupying territory, the Viet Cong were destroyed and the military was confident in it's abilities.

You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban

look you moron the Viet Cong destroyed themselves in the TET offensive. If you want to be taken seriously learn a few real facts.

Took a licking but never disappeared
If they were so destroyed and there was no threat from the North......Why did S Vietnam fall like a cheap folding table?

They were provided the best equipment, supplies and training
But they were an inept force

Again you fucking Moron SV fell to an external Invasion not to any insurgency. And even with out supplies spare parts or air support the South fought for a month against that Invasion, we are done until or unless you learn some real facts not your make believe bullshit.

One month after we propped them up for ten years
The South was not going to survive unless we continued to feed rage beast and do their fighting

You finally got something right. The South never had the will to fight and after a decade of US murdering and destroying the South, they were done.

We never should have been there. Ike fucked up by supporting the imperialist French and not Ho Chi Minh. However, US foreign policy has always supported western imperialism and does so today.

The domino theory was bogus bull shit made up by the warmongers in the Pentagon. They too continue their warmongering today with their constant propaganda for more war.

 

[gipper]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

JFK never made it to the election
The Vietnam that JFK faced in 61-63 was nothing like what LBJ faced in 63 and beyond

Look at it this way. JFK had the same Sec Defenses and Generals that LBJ had. He would have made the same mistakes and fallen into the same trap

Fool. You claimed JFK would have continued the war. You are wrong. Now you idiotically claim he didn’t make it to the election. WTF?

 

[rightwinger]

The domino theory was bogus bull shit made up by the warmongers in the Pentagon. They too continue their warmongering today with their constant propaganda for more war.

All the gloom and doom they predicted if Vietnam fell to the Communists never happened.
Ultimately, Vietnam prospered after 35 years of war and does better now than they did under Colonial Imperialism and corrupt Democracies

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

JFK never made it to the election
The Vietnam that JFK faced in 61-63 was nothing like what LBJ faced in 63 and beyond

Look at it this way. JFK had the same Sec Defenses and Generals that LBJ had. He would have made the same mistakes and fallen into the same trap

Fool. You claimed JFK would have continued the war. You are wrong. Now you idiotically claim he didn’t make it to the election. WTF?

I think LBJ ended up with JFKs second term. JFK would have followed the same advice LBJ did (it came from the same people). JFK would have been despised just as much as LBJ.

JFK was assassinated before the 64 election. It wasnt until Diem was assassinated in Nov 63 (same month as JFK) that the situation in Vietnam changed dramatically.
JFKs Vietnam was not the same as what LBJ faced. LBJ faced the imminent demise of the south. He stepped in to stop it

 

[White 6]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Kennedy wanted to pull out, ordering 1,000 of the 16,000 (at that time) pulled out and had plans to pull most of the rest, leaving small number of advisors if he won the 1964 election. Some say that is why he was shot.

Any politician would have made the same mistakes that LBJ made regardless of party. JFK did not want to appear soft on Communism, that is what Republicans accused him of.
He also would not have wanted Vietnam to turn Communist on his watch.
He would have taken the bait and sent in more troops, then more and then more

Cannot just speculate history with any assurity. We do not know if he would have had the profile in courage necessary to pull most out, against the guaranteed scorn of the Republicans and a bunch of Democrats also.
If reducing to a couple of thousand advisor and supplying funding, he could have adopted the very popular war model of modern countries, by fighting a proxy war, much more conservative and safer for our own troops, more able to control financial outlay, like a closet industry venture supporting the military industrial complex. We will never know, if he would have proved as smart as modern day countries, with the exception of us. We still put bodies on the line, to justify the commitment to industry dollars, throwing more bodies and dollars in front of the problem every time the enemy takes some out, and making the bodies front page news to rally enthusiasm and continued support to bad policy.

 

[gipper]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

JFK never made it to the election
The Vietnam that JFK faced in 61-63 was nothing like what LBJ faced in 63 and beyond

Look at it this way. JFK had the same Sec Defenses and Generals that LBJ had. He would have made the same mistakes and fallen into the same trap

Fool. You claimed JFK would have continued the war. You are wrong. Now you idiotically claim he didn’t make it to the election. WTF?

I think LBJ ended up with JFKs second term. JFK would have followed the same advice LBJ did (it came from the same people). JFK would have been despised just as much as LBJ.

JFK was assassinated before the 64 election. It wasnt until Diem was assassinated in Nov 63 (same month as JFK) that the situation in Vietnam changed dramatically.
JFKs Vietnam was not the same as what LBJ faced. LBJ faced the imminent demise of the south. He stepped in to stop it

You’re just rambling with bull shit. JFK was hated and despised by the MIC. He was at odds with them and wouldn’t listen to them. He made it clear we were leaving after the election.

The first thing your beloved Butcher of Vietnam did upon gaining the presidency was overturn JFK’s EO, to bug out. then told his buddies in the MIC, now you can have your war.

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Kennedy wanted to pull out, ordering 1,000 of the 16,000 (at that time) pulled out and had plans to pull most of the rest, leaving small number of advisors if he won the 1964 election. Some say that is why he was shot.

Any politician would have made the same mistakes that LBJ made regardless of party. JFK did not want to appear soft on Communism, that is what Republicans accused him of.
He also would not have wanted Vietnam to turn Communist on his watch.
He would have taken the bait and sent in more troops, then more and then more

Cannot just speculate history with any assurity. We do not know if he would have had the profile in courage necessary to pull most out, against the guaranteed scorn of the Republicans and a bunch of Democrats also.
If reducing to a couple of thousand advisor and supplying funding, he could have adopted the very popular war model of modern countries, by fighting a proxy war, much more conservative and safer for our own troops, more able to control financial outlay, like a closet industry venture supporting the military industrial complex. We will never know, if he would have proved as smart as modern day countries, with the exception of us. We still put bodies on the line, to justify the commitment to industry dollars, throwing more bodies and dollars in front of the problem every time the enemy takes some out, and making the bodies front page news to rally enthusiasm and continued support to bad policy.

After JFK was assassinated he reached martyred status. Of course JFK would have KNOWN better than escalate Vietnam

But he would have the same facts as LBJ, same advisors. There were not many in EITHER party advocating we stay out of the conflict. I don’t see why JFK would have been one of them

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

The Vietnam JFK faced in 1963 was not the same as the one LBJ faced in 1965.

 

[Mr Natural]

50,000 guys have their lives cut short so the likes of St Trumpy can save a few bucks on labor costs by having His MAGA hats made in Viet Nam.

Disgusting!

 

[gipper]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

The Vietnam JFK faced in 1963 was not the same as the one LBJ faced in 1965.

That’s right. In 1965 it made even more sense to get out.