Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

Blame your hero LBJ.

Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait

Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

The Vietnam JFK faced in 1963 was not the same as the one LBJ faced in 1965.

That’s right. In 1965 it made even more sense to get out.

Why would you want to get out?
The North was in danger of toppling the Southern regime and turning it Communist.
We could save them by just sending 50,000 troops and we would wrap it up by Christmas 1965 with minimal casualties
If you do nothing, you will be blamed

So? Not our business. Look what Vietnam is today? They aren’t our enemy. So what if they’re communist? Should mean nothing but the MIC turned them into an enemy. They need enemies to keep us at war. Wake up.

Exactly

We killed millions of Vietnamese just so they wouldn‘t be Communist

We took “Better Dead than Red” literally

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Actually it did stop them and it helped wipe out the viet cong, Or perhaps you can list for us the times the NV took territory while the US was there?

That is what was wrong about the US strategy in Vietnam
It was never about territory and body counts. It was about the hearts and minds of the people.
Western occupiers were never welcome. As long as the French or US was there, you were going to face resistance.

After 72 South Vietnam was stable.

How could they be “stable” with so many N Vietnamese troops occupying Southern territory?

They were stable to allow US troops to withdraw

the south had only a little of North Vietnam occupying territory, the Viet Cong were destroyed and the military was confident in it's abilities.

You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban

look you moron the Viet Cong destroyed themselves in the TET offensive. If you want to be taken seriously learn a few real facts.

Took a licking but never disappeared
If they were so destroyed and there was no threat from the North......Why did S Vietnam fall like a cheap folding table?

They were provided the best equipment, supplies and training
But they were an inept force

Again you fucking Moron SV fell to an external Invasion not to any insurgency. And even with out supplies spare parts or air support the South fought for a month against that Invasion, we are done until or unless you learn some real facts not your make believe bullshit.

One month after we propped them up for ten years
The South was not going to survive unless we continued to feed rage beast and do their fighting

You finally got something right. The South never had the will to fight and after a decade of US murdering and destroying the South, they were done.

We never should have been there. Ike fucked up by supporting the imperialist French and not Ho Chi Minh. However, US foreign policy has always supported western imperialism and does so today.

The domino theory was bogus bull shit made up by the warmongers in the Pentagon. They too continue their warmongering today with their constant propaganda for more war.

The Boat People Were Chickenhawks. No Vietnamese Should Have Been Allowed to Come to America.

The Vietnamese are not Asian. They are an inferior subspecies, the Asian version of Neanderthals. Far back in history, they were driven into the jungle by evolved Asians because of their criminality.

You are a sick FUK
Please go somewhere else

 

[9thIDdoc]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Wrong. We stopped them cold time after time and North Vietnam only still exists because idiotic US politicians decided to allow it to at everybodies expense.
"We"? You are no part of the "we" that fought in Vietnam. Never were and never could be. Stop trying to flatter yourself while slandering us.

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Wrong. We stopped them cold time after time and North Vietnam only still exists because idiotic US politicians decided to allow it to at everybodies expense.
"We"? You are no part of the "we" that fought in Vietnam. Never were and never could be. Stop trying to flatter yourself while slandering us.

And where did stopping them cold for seven years get you?
They were not going anywhere.
They did manage to inflict almost 60,000 deaths. Deaths that could not be justified to the American people.

Yes, I am part of “we”
We the People
As such, I get to object to the decisions of my Government

 

[9thIDdoc]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Wrong. We stopped them cold time after time and North Vietnam only still exists because idiotic US politicians decided to allow it to at everybodies expense.
"We"? You are no part of the "we" that fought in Vietnam. Never were and never could be. Stop trying to flatter yourself while slandering us.

And where did stopping them cold for seven years get you?
They were not going anywhere.
They did manage to inflict almost 60,000 deaths. Deaths that could not be justified to the American people.

Yes, I am part of “we”
We the People
As such, I get to object to the decisions of my Government

If you were part of we the people you would understand that we the people are the government and that any government failure is also your failure no matter how much you whine and complain. No "we" that I'm a part of has any room for anti-American Communist shills or traitors.

 

[gipper]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Wrong. We stopped them cold time after time and North Vietnam only still exists because idiotic US politicians decided to allow it to at everybodies expense.
"We"? You are no part of the "we" that fought in Vietnam. Never were and never could be. Stop trying to flatter yourself while slandering us.

And where did stopping them cold for seven years get you?
They were not going anywhere.
They did manage to inflict almost 60,000 deaths. Deaths that could not be justified to the American people.

Yes, I am part of “we”
We the People
As such, I get to object to the decisions of my Government

If you were part of we the people you would understand that we the people are the government and that any government failure is also your failure no matter how much you whine and complain. No "we" that I'm a part of has any room for anti-American Communist shills or traitors.

The people have almost no input on our government. We aren’t a democracy. We are a rapacious oligarchy run by a small unelected psychopathic elite. This is why our government mass murderers people all around the world.

Stop believing the lies you were indoctrinated with back in second grade government school, about what our government is.

 

[rightwinger]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Wrong. We stopped them cold time after time and North Vietnam only still exists because idiotic US politicians decided to allow it to at everybodies expense.
"We"? You are no part of the "we" that fought in Vietnam. Never were and never could be. Stop trying to flatter yourself while slandering us.

And where did stopping them cold for seven years get you?
They were not going anywhere.
They did manage to inflict almost 60,000 deaths. Deaths that could not be justified to the American people.

Yes, I am part of “we”
We the People
As such, I get to object to the decisions of my Government

If you were part of we the people you would understand that we the people are the government and that any government failure is also your failure no matter how much you whine and complain. No "we" that I'm a part of has any room for anti-American Communist shills or traitors.

Now you are getting it.

It was We the People who stepped in and stopped the abuse of Government power in Vietnam

 

[longly]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

 

[rightwinger]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

They didn’t murder millions of people, the Colonial French and Americans did.......all to save them from Communism

They turned out just fine

 

[9thIDdoc]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

They didn’t murder millions of people, the Colonial French and Americans did.......all to save them from Communism

They turned out just fine

That's a lie. They did indeed murder millions. Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die. The VC were terrorists on a scale to make the most blood-thirsty Arab drool. But they are your besties. Sez a lot about you.

 

[rightwinger]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

They didn’t murder millions of people, the Colonial French and Americans did.......all to save them from Communism

They turned out just fine

That's a lie. They did indeed murder millions. Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die. The VC were terrorists on a scale to make the most blood-thirsty Arab drool. But they are your besties. Sez a lot about you.

Show your math

Despite speculation that the victorious North Vietnamese would, in President Nixon's words, "massacre the civilians there [South Vietnam] by the millions," there is a widespread consensus that no mass executions took place.

Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rightwinger]

Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die.

Look up Napalm

 

[RetiredGySgt]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

They didn’t murder millions of people, the Colonial French and Americans did.......all to save them from Communism

They turned out just fine

That's a lie. They did indeed murder millions. Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die. The VC were terrorists on a scale to make the most blood-thirsty Arab drool. But they are your besties. Sez a lot about you.

Show your math

fuck off you drooling retard, the Viet Cong murdered anyone that did not do as they told them to do. usually torturing them and raping and killing their wife and children. And after TET the Viet Cong were actually North Vietnamese regulars. After they invaded and conquered South Vietnam they rounded up all officers all police all Government and school employees and either murdered them out right or put them in concentration camps to "reeducate" them. It was so bad that hundreds of thousands tried to flee going into Cambodia trying to get to Thailand or putting to sea in rickety small craft.

 

[9thIDdoc]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

They didn’t murder millions of people, the Colonial French and Americans did.......all to save them from Communism

They turned out just fine

That's a lie. They did indeed murder millions. Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die. The VC were terrorists on a scale to make the most blood-thirsty Arab drool. But they are your besties. Sez a lot about you.

Show your math

Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tip of the iceberg:

Massacre at Huế - Wikipedia​

 

[rightwinger]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

They didn’t murder millions of people, the Colonial French and Americans did.......all to save them from Communism

They turned out just fine

That's a lie. They did indeed murder millions. Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die. The VC were terrorists on a scale to make the most blood-thirsty Arab drool. But they are your besties. Sez a lot about you.

Show your math

fuck off you drooling retard, the Viet Cong murdered anyone that did not do as they told them to do. usually torturing them and raping and killing their wife and children. And after TET the Viet Cong were actually North Vietnamese regulars. After they invaded and conquered South Vietnam they rounded up all officers all police all Government and school employees and either murdered them out right or put them in concentration camps to "reeducate" them. It was so bad that hundreds of thousands tried to flee going into Cambodia trying to get to Thailand or putting to sea in rickety small craft.

Read it and weep

Despite speculation that the victorious North Vietnamese would, in President Nixon's words, "massacre the civilians there [South Vietnam] by the millions," there is a widespread consensus that no mass executions took place.

However, in our attempt to keep Vietnam from turning Communist, millions of civilians were killed

 

[rightwinger]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

They didn’t murder millions of people, the Colonial French and Americans did.......all to save them from Communism

They turned out just fine

That's a lie. They did indeed murder millions. Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die. The VC were terrorists on a scale to make the most blood-thirsty Arab drool. But they are your besties. Sez a lot about you.

Show your math

Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tip of the iceberg:

Massacre at Huế - Wikipedia​

The estimated death toll was between 2,800 and 6,000 civilians and prisoners of war

Now, show me the millions that are being claimed

 

[9thIDdoc]

Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die.

Look up Napalm

You prefer to kill with kindness? Describe how that works.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

They didn’t murder millions of people, the Colonial French and Americans did.......all to save them from Communism

They turned out just fine

That's a lie. They did indeed murder millions. Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die. The VC were terrorists on a scale to make the most blood-thirsty Arab drool. But they are your besties. Sez a lot about you.

Show your math

fuck off you drooling retard, the Viet Cong murdered anyone that did not do as they told them to do. usually torturing them and raping and killing their wife and children. And after TET the Viet Cong were actually North Vietnamese regulars. After they invaded and conquered South Vietnam they rounded up all officers all police all Government and school employees and either murdered them out right or put them in concentration camps to "reeducate" them. It was so bad that hundreds of thousands tried to flee going into Cambodia trying to get to Thailand or putting to sea in rickety small craft.

Read it and weep

Despite speculation that the victorious North Vietnamese would, in President Nixon's words, "massacre the civilians there [South Vietnam] by the millions," there is a widespread consensus that no mass executions took place.

However, in our attempt to keep Vietnam from turning Communist, millions of civilians were killed

Ya they just killed thousands imprisoned thousands more and caused hundreds of thousands to flee in terror risking life and limb.

 

[TheParser]

Being 84 years old, I am certainly not a boomer.

But since it appears other non-boomers have given their two bits in this thread, I shall join in.

Yes, Ms. Fonda had an absolute right to oppose the war.

But she was wrong to go to the area and make such dramatic statements.

It was very cruel to the boys who could not evade the draft and had to fight the communists (and, I hear, sometimes fellow American troops. But I digress).

She has to live with her conscience. That is her business, not mine.

People who feel that she did wrong should simply not support any commercial activity of hers (such as watching any TV show or movie she is in).

Some posters feel that she did right. That's OK, too.

 

[9thIDdoc]

After WWII, there were calls from around the world that imperialism should be put to rest and countries should all have their own representation. Viet Nam, with Ho Chi Min had begged the UN and United States to have his country be free of the French imperialism rule. But the French who were devastated by the war, didnt want to relinquish their rule of the gooks of Viet Nam, and the UN and Truman agreed with France. So Ho Chi, went to war with the French, and we all know how that ended....

Thank the French and Democrats for always getting US fucked....

We had a choice between a free Vietnam or a return to French Colonialism
We chose the French

Cost millions of lives

Free? You must be friggin kidding! Under oppressive Communist colonialism rather than as a republic? Those that weren't slaughtered out of hand or sent to "re-education" camps? You must be a mental health poster boy.

Lets see
The choice that killing millions of Vietnamese to keep them from becoming Communist?

How can that make sense?

How does allowing the Communists to massacre them make them more "free"?

Guess what?
50 years of hindsight showed the Communists did not massacre them. Vietnam stabilized after 35 years of nonstop war and now has a robust economy. They are better off now than they were under the French or Diem and his corrupt regime

They do now have a booming economy, but they only did it by abandoning their so called socialist principles. After murdering millions of people, they threw it all away and adopted a free market economy demonstrating they are the materialistic imperialist pigs. If they had any sense of honor they would go back to their centralized command economy and go hungry.

They didn’t murder millions of people, the Colonial French and Americans did.......all to save them from Communism

They turned out just fine

That's a lie. They did indeed murder millions. Men. Women. Children. Infants. And quite often treated them to torture and rape before allowing them to die. The VC were terrorists on a scale to make the most blood-thirsty Arab drool. But they are your besties. Sez a lot about you.

Show your math

Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tip of the iceberg:

Massacre at Huế - Wikipedia​

The estimated death toll was between 2,800 and 6,000 civilians and prisoners of war

Now, show me the millions that are being claimed

The link addresses one single incident that was perpetrated over 26 days the scope of which can never be truly known. The remains were still being discovered long after the atrocity. Do you think the nature of our enemy became all sweetness and light other than that one incident? The VC/NVA occupied that single city for 26 days. During Tet '68 cities and villages all across South Vietnam were attacked and many occupied in part or in whole for for varying lengths of time. Can you show proof that Hue was something more or less than the standard approved method of dealing with the South Vietnamese civilian population? They carried out that massacre over 26 days. North Vietnam has now occupied South Vietnam for 50 years. "Millions" sounds right to me but feel free to question the many South Vietnamese communities that were forced flee their homeland their opinion on the matter.

The Huế massacre (Vietnamese: Thảm sát tại Huế Tết Mậu Thân, or Thảm sát Tết Mậu Thân ở Huế, lit. translation: "Tết Offensive massacre in Huế") was the summary executions and mass murder perpetrated by the Viet Cong (VC) and People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) during their capture, military occupation and later withdrawal from the city of Huế during the Tet Offensive, considered one of the longest and bloodiest battles of the Vietnam War.

The Battle of Huế began on 31 January 1968, and lasted a total of 26 days. During the months and years that followed, dozens of mass graves were discovered in and around Huế. Victims included women, men, children, and infants.[2] The estimated death toll was between 2,800 and 6,000 civilians and prisoners of war,[1][3] or 5–10% of the total population of Huế.[4] The Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) released a list of 4,062 victims identified as having been either murdered or abducted.[5][6] Victims were found bound, tortured, and sometimes buried alive. Many victims were also clubbed to death.[7][8][9]

A number of U.S. and South Vietnamese authorities as well as a number of journalists who investigated the events took the discoveries, along with other evidence, as proof that a large-scale atrocity had been carried out in and around Huế during its four-week occupation. The killings were perceived as part of a large-scale purge of a whole social stratum, including anyone friendly to American forces in the region. The massacre at Huế came under increasing press scrutiny later, when press reports alleged that South Vietnamese "revenge squads" had also been at work in the aftermath of the battle, searching out and executing citizens that had supported the communist occupation.[10][11] In 2017, Ben Kiernan described the massacre as "possibly the largest atrocity of the war."[12]
The Vietcong set up provisional authorities shortly after it had captured Huế in the early hours of 31 January 1968. They were charged with removing the existing government administration from power in the city and replacing it with a "revolutionary administration". Working from lists of "cruel tyrants and reactionary elements" previously developed by Vietcong intelligence officers, many people were to be rounded up following the initial hours of the attack. These included Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN) soldiers, civil servants, political party members, local religious leaders, schoolteachers, American civilians, and other international people.[13] Cadres called out the names on their lists over loudspeakers, ordering them to report to a local school. Those who did not report voluntarily were hunted down.[14]