Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

Fifty thousand young guys (many enslaved via the draft) died needlessly in that fucking useless fiasco. It made me ashamed to be an American.

I escaped it by joining the Navy.

And Jane Fonda remains a hero of mine for doing what she did.
My brother escaped it by joining the Navy too. I had a high lottery number, and was a leader in the anti war movement.
 
Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope
When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.
And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks
Blame your hero LBJ.
Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait
Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

The Vietnam JFK faced in 1963 was not the same as the one LBJ faced in 1965.
That’s right. In 1965 it made even more sense to get out.

Why would you want to get out?
The North was in danger of toppling the Southern regime and turning it Communist.
We could save them by just sending 50,000 troops and we would wrap it up by Christmas 1965 with minimal casualties
If you do nothing, you will be blamed
 
And who really gives a shit if they went commie?

They ended up going commie anyway and nothing changed for us except for the fact that Mr Businessman can now save a few bucks on cheap labor.
 
Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope
When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.
And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks
Blame your hero LBJ.
Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait
Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

The Vietnam JFK faced in 1963 was not the same as the one LBJ faced in 1965.
Basically, from a tactical and strategic point, it was. He just did not have LBJ's experience with watching the body bags fill with American troops on TV, and did not want it, without an assured clean outcome, which he did not have faith in achieving. LBJ became sickened with his own support of the military industrial complex and their grandiose plans, dreams and theories that did not pan out. It's why he quit, if you remember watching the speech, that night, when he said he would not run for a re-election, he would have almost undoubtedly won. The war, broke him.
 
Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope
When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.
And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks
Blame your hero LBJ.
Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait
Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

The Vietnam JFK faced in 1963 was not the same as the one LBJ faced in 1965.
That’s right. In 1965 it made even more sense to get out.

Why would you want to get out?
The North was in danger of toppling the Southern regime and turning it Communist.
We could save them by just sending 50,000 troops and we would wrap it up by Christmas 1965 with minimal casualties
If you do nothing, you will be blamed
Well, that's what they said alright. Just not how it worked out.
 
As a Boomer, I think the greatest achievement my generation accomplished was getting rid of the draft which was nothing more than modern day slavery.
 
Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope
When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.
And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks
Blame your hero LBJ.
Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait
Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

The Vietnam JFK faced in 1963 was not the same as the one LBJ faced in 1965.
That’s right. In 1965 it made even more sense to get out.

Why would you want to get out?
The North was in danger of toppling the Southern regime and turning it Communist.
We could save them by just sending 50,000 troops and we would wrap it up by Christmas 1965 with minimal casualties
If you do nothing, you will be blamed
Well, that's what they said alright. Just not how it worked out.
Exactly
That is what LBJ bought into
Once he was in, he couldn’t get out
 
if you remember watching the speech, that night, when he said he would not run for a re-election, he would have almost undoubtedly won.

I think LBJ had about 35 percent approval and had just lost the NH primary. The handwriting was on the wall
 
Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope
When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.
And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks
Blame your hero LBJ.
Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait
Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

The Vietnam JFK faced in 1963 was not the same as the one LBJ faced in 1965.
That’s right. In 1965 it made even more sense to get out.

Why would you want to get out?
The North was in danger of toppling the Southern regime and turning it Communist.
We could save them by just sending 50,000 troops and we would wrap it up by Christmas 1965 with minimal casualties
If you do nothing, you will be blamed
Well, that's what they said alright. Just not how it worked out.
Exactly
That is what LBJ bought into
Once he was in, he couldn’t get out
Many of the ones we have had this century are too dumb to learn what has been tried and didn't work, still don't work and should be walked away from to cut losses, nor the political courage to stand up and say so, if they do know in private.
 
In science, one verifies one's observations by submitting them to peer review. I remember something very clearly from the Vietnam War, but liberal friends and acquaintances tell me it never happened. I have done internet research, but I can't find anything in regards to this issue. Now I know she made those comments before the internet, but they should be in the history of the time. So here is the question for all the boomer generation that may be on this site: I remember Jane Fonda praising the Khmer Rouge for their victory in Cambodia; do you remember it? Do you have a source that would back up my memories?
How bout this found with DuckDuckGo:
Even in 1979, when the world was aware of the millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians murdered and starved to death by their communist victors, when even Joan Baez protested the Khmer Rouge slaughter, Jane Fonda refused to join in. As she then told the National Press Club, she was unable to confirm the accuracy of the charges.

This is more upsetting:
In 1972, having accused the U.S. of committing "genocide" by fighting communist takeover of South Vietnam, she volunteered for 10 vehement propaganda broadcasts for Radio Hanoi that called President Nixon a "new-type Hitler" and encouraged South Vietnamese soldiers to desert being "cannon fodder for U.S. imperialism," asserted U.S. pilots' bombing "makes one a war criminal," and she gleefully appeared around the world filmed in the firing seat of a North Vietnamese anti-air gun.

This piece of film she now admits was a "betrayal of the country that gave me privilege."

The hypocrisy and shallowness of this admission was quickly exposed when Jane Fonda defiantly added "I won't apologize" for her propaganda appearance with U.S. POWs, showing no remorse for some tortured for refusing to appear with her, by explaining in her morally blind view "both sides were using POWs for propaganda."

All the above from Jane Fonda is to be pitied
HeirHeads Head Whatever Is on the Air

All you need to know about Janey is that she is rich girl. Richkids don't belong in America; being unAmerican is what makes them anti-American. They not only want to jealousyly destroy a society created entirely by those born in the White working class; their very presence here is what has blocked our traditional and time-tested American Way.
 
Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope
Epitaph on the Vietnam War Memorial: PROUD TO DIE TAKING A RICHKID'S PLACE

The purpose of that war was too kill off or take the fight out of the bravest patriots born in the White working class. Mission accomplished.

If only Captain Bone Spurs could have been there leading the charge against the commies. . .
 
Why were we even there?

Was it that domino theory nonsense?
Capital Treason by the Sons of the Ruling Class and Its Flunkies Who Ran Away to College

We who fought delayed Communism's momentum. Because of our stand, it imploded not long after its Pyrrhic victory in a worthless jungle full of worthless people. Your narratives are told by those who want to cover up their own cowardice and treason back then.

Those who think it was useless have been taught an superficial and unrealistic version of history in general. We are also told that the Crusades were a failure, but it set back the Islamic jihad 300 years. By the time they got back on track in their thrill-killing rampage, the Christian world was strong enough to crush them.

BATTLE OF ZENTA (Serbia. September 11, 1697)

Christians: 50,000 soldiers, 60 cannon
Muslims: 100,000 psychotic bloodthirsty religious fanatics, 200 cannon

Christian deaths: 429
Nazislamis sent to kiss Allah's butt: 30,000
 
Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope
Epitaph on the Vietnam War Memorial: PROUD TO DIE TAKING A RICHKID'S PLACE

The purpose of that war was too kill off or take the fight out of the bravest patriots born in the White working class. Mission accomplished.

If only Captain Bone Spurs could have been there leading the charge against the commies. . .
Survival of the Fatherest Is the Way to National Extinction

Trump had inside information that it was really class warfare. He went to school with the pro-war sons of powerful pro-war fathers. He saw how those sissyboy hypocrites all thought they were too precious to actually fight over there. The guillotine-fodder snobbishly thought that it was the duty of the less fortunate Whites, whom they hated with a passion, to die taking their place.

Preppies owe real Americans 58,000 lives. Their birth privileges became a matter of life and death and must be abolished forever. If we have to do it on our own, so must they.
 
In science, one verifies one's observations by submitting them to peer review. I remember something very clearly from the Vietnam War, but liberal friends and acquaintances tell me it never happened. I have done internet research, but I can't find anything in regards to this issue. Now I know she made those comments before the internet, but they should be in the history of the time. So here is the question for all the boomer generation that may be on this site: I remember Jane Fonda praising the Khmer Rouge for their victory in Cambodia; do you remember it? Do you have a source that would back up my memories?
How bout this found with DuckDuckGo:
Even in 1979, when the world was aware of the millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians murdered and starved to death by their communist victors, when even Joan Baez protested the Khmer Rouge slaughter, Jane Fonda refused to join in. As she then told the National Press Club, she was unable to confirm the accuracy of the charges.

This is more upsetting:
In 1972, having accused the U.S. of committing "genocide" by fighting communist takeover of South Vietnam, she volunteered for 10 vehement propaganda broadcasts for Radio Hanoi that called President Nixon a "new-type Hitler" and encouraged South Vietnamese soldiers to desert being "cannon fodder for U.S. imperialism," asserted U.S. pilots' bombing "makes one a war criminal," and she gleefully appeared around the world filmed in the firing seat of a North Vietnamese anti-air gun.

This piece of film she now admits was a "betrayal of the country that gave me privilege."

The hypocrisy and shallowness of this admission was quickly exposed when Jane Fonda defiantly added "I won't apologize" for her propaganda appearance with U.S. POWs, showing no remorse for some tortured for refusing to appear with her, by explaining in her morally blind view "both sides were using POWs for propaganda."

All the above from Jane Fonda is to be pitied
HeirHeads Head Whatever Is on the Air

All you need to know about Janey is that she is rich girl. Richkids don't belong in America; being unAmerican is what makes them anti-American. They not only want to jealousyly destroy a society created entirely by those born in the White working class; their very presence here is what has blocked our traditional and time-tested American Way.
I thought "Janey" was white, born in American, yet UN-American of mindset the whole time. Yes, she was and is rich, but doesn't really matter, as is no excuse as an American Citizen to do what she did, where she did it, while what was going on was going on. There is never and excuse for going against your country in a foreign country war zone. If that's your thing, you should renounce citizenship and get the FK out, only coming back to visit or make your money.
 
Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope
Epitaph on the Vietnam War Memorial: PROUD TO DIE TAKING A RICHKID'S PLACE

The purpose of that war was too kill off or take the fight out of the bravest patriots born in the White working class. Mission accomplished.

If only Captain Bone Spurs could have been there leading the charge against the commies. . .
We would have won for sure
 
Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.
Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.
Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare
Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.
I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner
Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.
Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?
Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either
wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it
Actually it did stop them and it helped wipe out the viet cong, Or perhaps you can list for us the times the NV took territory while the US was there?
That is what was wrong about the US strategy in Vietnam
It was never about territory and body counts. It was about the hearts and minds of the people.
Western occupiers were never welcome. As long as the French or US was there, you were going to face resistance.
After 72 South Vietnam was stable.
How could they be “stable” with so many N Vietnamese troops occupying Southern territory?

They were stable to allow US troops to withdraw
the south had only a little of North Vietnam occupying territory, the Viet Cong were destroyed and the military was confident in it's abilities.
You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban
look you moron the Viet Cong destroyed themselves in the TET offensive. If you want to be taken seriously learn a few real facts.

Took a licking but never disappeared
If they were so destroyed and there was no threat from the North......Why did S Vietnam fall like a cheap folding table?

They were provided the best equipment, supplies and training
But they were an inept force
Again you fucking Moron SV fell to an external Invasion not to any insurgency. And even with out supplies spare parts or air support the South fought for a month against that Invasion, we are done until or unless you learn some real facts not your make believe bullshit.
One month after we propped them up for ten years
The South was not going to survive unless we continued to feed rage beast and do their fighting
You finally got something right. The South never had the will to fight and after a decade of US murdering and destroying the South, they were done.

We never should have been there. Ike fucked up by supporting the imperialist French and not Ho Chi Minh. However, US foreign policy has always supported western imperialism and does so today.

The domino theory was bogus bull shit made up by the warmongers in the Pentagon. They too continue their warmongering today with their constant propaganda for more war.
The Boat People Were Chickenhawks. No Vietnamese Should Have Been Allowed to Come to America.

The Vietnamese are not Asian. They are an inferior subspecies, the Asian version of Neanderthals. Far back in history, they were driven into the jungle by evolved Asians because of their criminality.
 
Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.
Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.
Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare
Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.
I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner
Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.
Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?
Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either
wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it
Actually it did stop them and it helped wipe out the viet cong, Or perhaps you can list for us the times the NV took territory while the US was there?
That is what was wrong about the US strategy in Vietnam
It was never about territory and body counts. It was about the hearts and minds of the people.
Western occupiers were never welcome. As long as the French or US was there, you were going to face resistance.
After 72 South Vietnam was stable.
How could they be “stable” with so many N Vietnamese troops occupying Southern territory?

They were stable to allow US troops to withdraw
the south had only a little of North Vietnam occupying territory, the Viet Cong were destroyed and the military was confident in it's abilities.
You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban
look you moron the Viet Cong destroyed themselves in the TET offensive. If you want to be taken seriously learn a few real facts.

Took a licking but never disappeared
If they were so destroyed and there was no threat from the North......Why did S Vietnam fall like a cheap folding table?

They were provided the best equipment, supplies and training
But they were an inept force
Again you fucking Moron SV fell to an external Invasion not to any insurgency. And even with out supplies spare parts or air support the South fought for a month against that Invasion, we are done until or unless you learn some real facts not your make believe bullshit.
One month after we propped them up for ten years
The South was not going to survive unless we continued to feed rage beast and do their fighting
You finally got something right. The South never had the will to fight and after a decade of US murdering and destroying the South, they were done.

We never should have been there. Ike fucked up by supporting the imperialist French and not Ho Chi Minh. However, US foreign policy has always supported western imperialism and does so today.

The domino theory was bogus bull shit made up by the warmongers in the Pentagon. They too continue their warmongering today with their constant propaganda for more war.
The Boat People Were Chickenhawks. No Vietnamese Should Have Been Allowed to Come to America.

The Vietnamese are not Asian. They are an inferior subspecies, the Asian version of Neanderthals. Far back in history, they were driven into the jungle by evolved Asians because of their criminality.
???
 
Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope
When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.
And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks
Blame your hero LBJ.
Yea...let’s look at LBJ

Vietnam defined his legacy. But LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He couldn’t care less. But he didn’t want Vietnam to fall to the Communists on his watch. He was offered a quick fix....give us a hundred thousand troops and we will wrap this up by Christmas. Then the next Christmas and the next

Any other US President would have done the same. JFK, Nixon, Goldwater......they all would have taken the bait
Wrong. JFK made it clear after the election, we were bugging out. LBJ like nearly all our recent presidents feared the MIC. So he did what they told him. Just like your other favorite potus, Ears.

The Vietnam JFK faced in 1963 was not the same as the one LBJ faced in 1965.
That’s right. In 1965 it made even more sense to get out.

Why would you want to get out?
The North was in danger of toppling the Southern regime and turning it Communist.
We could save them by just sending 50,000 troops and we would wrap it up by Christmas 1965 with minimal casualties
If you do nothing, you will be blamed
So? Not our business. Look what Vietnam is today? They aren’t our enemy. So what if they’re communist? Should mean nothing but the MIC turned them into an enemy. They need enemies to keep us at war. Wake up.
 

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