Virginia - This Is Only The Beginning

[alang1216]

And who advocates murder in gun advertisements?

No one that's who

True enough. However if they sell 1,000 guns a month to a private citizen, that should raise alarms. Just ask the Sackler family.

 

[Chuz Life]

There are extremists on both sides, I'm not one of them. If you can pass a background check that verifies you don't have a criminal mental health history, and you've been through some training in the safe use of your weapons, I can't imagine any law I'd support that would take away your guns.

I know of a cop who was very well trained in gun safety. He was a decorated cop (received recognition and awards.) He no doubt passed at least one "background" check and who knows what other kinds of psychological exams. . .

We was married to an extremely good looking, smart, LOVED police officer, friend of my whole family.

They divorced.

She was scared of him.

She got a restraining order.

He broke into her house, shot her in the head and then offed himself.

I have no faith or security in your much blathered about "background" checks.

Perfect is the enemy of good

You are dodging the point.

There is absolutely nothing in a background check or safety training that will keep a criminal mind in check.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The comments are the most interesting part. I believe Northam and friends truly do not realize what they will awaken.

Dems deliver how-to lesson in 'quid pro quo' ... on guns - WND

I'm a supporter of gun control AND civil liberty. I think a compromise is very possible, here's what I'd propose:

1. The sanctuary counties can enact whatever rules they want, inside the borders of that county.
   
2. The sanctuary counties will NOT interfere with or undermine other Virginia counties' gun control measures.

In practice the sanctuary counties can have open carry, no registration, bump stocks, etc., within their counties even if they violate state rules. They'd have to comply with state gun sales regulations for non-county citizens. Any county gun owner must comply with all state and local county regulations when they take their firearms out of their sanctuary counties. Any county gun owner who moves from their sanctuary counties to another VA county must bring their firearms into compliance with their new county rule.

In summary, you can do what you want in your county so long as you do what I want in my county.

My gun permit is issued by the county, but covers the State and numerous other States.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The comments are the most interesting part. I believe Northam and friends truly do not realize what they will awaken.

Dems deliver how-to lesson in 'quid pro quo' ... on guns - WND

Democrats should be forced to debate their gun control laws in german.

 

[2aguy]

There will be thousands of people from out of state supporting their brothers and sisters from Virginia attending the freedom rally on Friday.

There are a couple of dozen from my area, many more from the rest of Florida.

It is going to be a huge armed rally. We need to send a message to this Democrat filth that they can't take away our Constitutional rights without dire consequences.

God bless the people in Virginia for standing up to this destruction of Liberty by the Democrats.

Why don't you let the people of Virginia decide what is best for Virginia and let the people of Florida decide what is best for Florida?

On some things, sure, but not on the Bill of Rights....democrats in the south thought owning blacks was fine......so Republicans had to go down there and free the Black slaves......fundamental Rights do not get a state vote.

 

[2aguy]

Normal people don't have a history of crime or violence. Normal people don't belong to terrorist or hate groups. Normal people don't have a history of mental issues.

What sort of mental issues?

Ones that might make them a danger to others. If you want more detail consult a doctor.

Most discussions with liberals ends in them yelling and screaming when backed into a corner. Maybe they should be on no-gun list. I don't trust their stability.

Don't forget when they start talking about the penis....they usually start that too....

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Normal people don't have a history of crime or violence. Normal people don't belong to terrorist or hate groups. Normal people don't have a history of mental issues.

What sort of mental issues?

Ones that might make them a danger to others. If you want more detail consult a doctor.

Most discussions with liberals ends in them yelling and screaming when backed into a corner. Maybe they should be on no-gun list. I don't trust their stability.

Don't forget when they start talking about the penis....they usually start that too....

 

[2aguy]

As noted below, everyone has the potential to be a danger to others.

That is a very low bar

Maybe so but I bet the potential is greater for some, schizophrenics for instance, than for others.

We have 320 million people, over 600 million guns in private hands...

12 mass public shootings in 2018.....

12 individuals out of 320 million...care to tell the class what percent of the population that is?

 

[2aguy]

If you are a state in this Republic you have to abide by the Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights is not worth the parchment it is written on if some stupid lying confused hateful asshole Democrats can simply vote away your individual rights away.

The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the individual from the tyranny of Democracy and that is a good thing. You never want a bunch of confused dumbasses voting away your Liberty, do you?

While I don't disagree, I also don't think any of the rights listed in the Bill of Rights are absolute. All are subject to restrictions as to how they are exercised.

Yes....if you use a gun to violate the Rights of others you are arrested.....what you want is pre-emptive interference in the exercise of a Right.....

 

[2aguy]

The unintended consequences would be limited since no other industry is protected in this way.

Of course there are

You can't sue Chevy or the jack daniels Co because some guy drank a lot of whiskey and mowed down your kid with his car

You can't sue the buck knife Co if someone stabs you with one of their knives

You can't sue Louisville slugger Co if someone bashes your head in with a bat

Incorrect. Only the gun industry is protected from lawsuits even if they are guilty of negligence.

It's not negligent on the part of the manufacturer if a person uses their products to commit crimes.

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So there was no reason to pass the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act?

Wrong......democrats using the law to unfairly target those industries deserved that law.....because those industries support the exercise of a fundamental Right, just like the 1st Amendment Protects the Freedom of the Press...

 

[Blues Man]

And who advocates murder in gun advertisements?

No one that's who

True enough. However if they sell 1,000 guns a month to a private citizen, that should raise alarms. Just ask the Sackler family.

They?

And it doesn't matter what firearms a person owns or how many



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[2aguy]

So there was no reason to pass the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act?

I don't see why it was needed but then again most laws congress passes are not needed

A gun manufacturer is no more responsible for how a person uses their products than any other manufacturer

The manufacturer and distributor should be responsible for how they market and sell the product.

Wrong...only if they lie about that product, as in it will do this, then it doesn't actually do that........

 

[2aguy]

I simply believe that the government has no right to infringe upon my right to keep and bear arms.

The crime should NEVER be the possession of the firearm but the crime that is done with it.

While I think you don't have the right to possess any type of weapon and carry it as you see fit. I do believe, in deference to the Constitution, any restrictions must be justifiable in terms of public safety and not arbitrary.

The problem is that stupid Liberals go bat shit crazy when advocating restrictions and they are never reasonable. For instance, just look at Bloomberg's anti right to keep and bear arms agenda. As crazy as it comes. I'll post it if you are confused. Look what they are proposing in Virginia. Look what they have in Commie California and New York.

The other realistic thing is that gun control laws never restrict the shitheads that mostly commit the crimes with the guns.

I have 50 firearms now. They are safer to the public than the one swimming pool I have in my back yard.

You may think gun control laws are 'never reasonable' but you're in a minority. What they are proposing in Virginia will likely be very popular. Gun control was a major reason Virginia is now solidly Blue.

No....left wing asshats working in D.C and living in Virginia made it blue....

 

[Blues Man]

The comments are the most interesting part. I believe Northam and friends truly do not realize what they will awaken.

Dems deliver how-to lesson in 'quid pro quo' ... on guns - WND

I'm a supporter of gun control AND civil liberty. I think a compromise is very possible, here's what I'd propose:

1. The sanctuary counties can enact whatever rules they want, inside the borders of that county.
   
2. The sanctuary counties will NOT interfere with or undermine other Virginia counties' gun control measures.

In practice the sanctuary counties can have open carry, no registration, bump stocks, etc., within their counties even if they violate state rules. They'd have to comply with state gun sales regulations for non-county citizens. Any county gun owner must comply with all state and local county regulations when they take their firearms out of their sanctuary counties. Any county gun owner who moves from their sanctuary counties to another VA county must bring their firearms into compliance with their new county rule.

In summary, you can do what you want in your county so long as you do what I want in my county.

My gun permit is issued by the county, but covers the State and numerous other States.

But state reciprocity isn't universal even though it should be

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[alang1216]

There are extremists on both sides, I'm not one of them. If you can pass a background check that verifies you don't have a criminal mental health history, and you've been through some training in the safe use of your weapons, I can't imagine any law I'd support that would take away your guns.

I know of a cop who was very well trained in gun safety. He was a decorated cop (received recognition and awards.) He no doubt passed at least one "background" check and who knows what other kinds of psychological exams. . .

We was married to an extremely good looking, smart, LOVED police officer, friend of my whole family.

They divorced.

She was scared of him.

She got a restraining order.

He broke into her house, shot her in the head and then offed himself.

I have no faith or security in your much blathered about "background" checks.

Perfect is the enemy of good

You are dodging the point.

There is absolutely nothing in a background check or safety training that will keep a criminal mind in check.

Not a bit of it. Will a background check or safety training prevent all tragedies? Nope. Will it prevent some tragedies? Of course. Some is better than none.

 

[alang1216]

So there was no reason to pass the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act?

I don't see why it was needed but then again most laws congress passes are not needed

A gun manufacturer is no more responsible for how a person uses their products than any other manufacturer

The manufacturer and distributor should be responsible for how they market and sell the product.

Wrong...only if they lie about that product, as in it will do this, then it doesn't actually do that........

Wrong. Go ask big tobacco and big pharma and various US online giants about how they market and sell their product.

 

[alang1216]

No....left wing asshats working in D.C and living in Virginia made it blue....

Don't forget the asshats in norfolk and richmond. Gun rights intransigence made them angry and that made VA blue. What doesn't bend will break.

 

[alang1216]

My gun permit is issued by the county, but covers the State and numerous other States.

So your county dictates to other counties and other states? Nice for you.

 

[2aguy]

No....left wing asshats working in D.C and living in Virginia made it blue....

Don't forget the asshats in norfolk and richmond. Gun rights intransigence made them angry and that made VA blue. What doesn't bend will break.

Sorry.....you are wrong......the threat...give up some of your Rights or we will take all of them is exactly what you morons do......then, you come back...give up more of your Rights or lose all of them.....rinse and repeat........

 

[2aguy]

No....left wing asshats working in D.C and living in Virginia made it blue....

Don't forget the asshats in norfolk and richmond. Gun rights intransigence made them angry and that made VA blue. What doesn't bend will break.

No, moron.....left wing asshats moving in from D.C. made it blue.......the infection spreads with every left wing moron who moves into a Red state.