Wage Strikes Planned at Fast-Food Outlets

[Mac1958]

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Hey gang, here's a quick & easy quiz:

Who pays the wages of most McDonald's fast food workers?

From where does the money come? Who is literally writing the check?

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The people do. We also pay for the welfare they must get on because Mcdonalds won't pay a livable wage.

Perhaps you should read my (clearly stated) question again.

Who literally writes the check?

Care to try again?

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The people do. We also pay for the welfare they must get on because Mcdonalds won't pay a livable wage.

If you changed your screen name, I'd Pos-Rep you for that one.

Okay, so Joe would "pos rep" National Socialist for being wrong.

Come on, this is easy!

Anyone?

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[National Socialist]

I don't want positive rep. Hell go ahead and take it down to 0 if you want. Its at 24 it won't take much! I am not here for rep I am here to spread truth.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't want positive rep. Hell go ahead and take it down to 0 if you want. Its at 24 it won't take much! I am not here for rep I am here to spread truth.

Truth.



Can't answer the question? Or won't?

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[National Socialist]

Which question would that be?

 

[JoeB131]

I don't want positive rep. Hell go ahead and take it down to 0 if you want. Its at 24 it won't take much! I am not here for rep I am here to spread truth.

Truth.



Can't answer the question? Or won't?

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I think the question has been answered. The check is ulitmately paid by the customer.

The same customer who has to pay higher taxes because those fast food workers require SNAP, Section 8 and Medicaid they can't get through their jobs.

In short, Corporate Welfare at its finest.

The ironic thing is, as much as you want to be a little suckup for Capitalism, your attitudes of "bend the working man over" is probably making the kind of socialism inevitable.

If you get more out of your government for a vote than you do out of your employer for busting your ass, who are you going to be loyal to?

 

[editec]

My only regret is that I never eat in FFRs to boycott them.

$15 an hour minimum wage nationwide sounds about right to me.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't want positive rep. Hell go ahead and take it down to 0 if you want. Its at 24 it won't take much! I am not here for rep I am here to spread truth.

Truth.



Can't answer the question? Or won't?

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I think the question has been answered. The check is ulitmately paid by the customer.

The same customer who has to pay higher taxes because those fast food workers require SNAP, Section 8 and Medicaid they can't get through their jobs.

In short, Corporate Welfare at its finest.

The ironic thing is, as much as you want to be a little suckup for Capitalism, your attitudes of "bend the working man over" is probably making the kind of socialism inevitable.

If you get more out of your government for a vote than you do out of your employer for busting your ass, who are you going to be loyal to?

I'll try one last time: Who is literally writing the check to that employee?

Why in the world is this so difficult?

Why can't you folks communicate without diversion and deflection?

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[Mac1958]

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It's impossible to have an intellectual conversation about business economics with people who demostrate nothing but an abject ignorance of the subject. It's all emotion and simplistic guessing.

It's like me trying to tell an auto mechanic how to rebuild a transmission. He would just look at me, shake his head and roll his eyes. Understandably.

Which is what I'm doing in this conversation.



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[G.T.]

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It's impossible to have an intellectual conversation about business economics with people who demostrate nothing but an abject ignorance of the subject. It's all emotion and simplistic guessing.

It's like me trying to tell an auto mechanic how to rebuild a transmission. He would just look at me, shake his head and roll his eyes. Understandably.

Which is what I'm doing in this conversation.



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They're not answering because your question is an obvious misnomer.

The employer ultimately writes the check, the money though came from the consumer.

 

[Mac1958]

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It's impossible to have an intellectual conversation about business economics with people who demostrate nothing but an abject ignorance of the subject. It's all emotion and simplistic guessing.

It's like me trying to tell an auto mechanic how to rebuild a transmission. He would just look at me, shake his head and roll his eyes. Understandably.

Which is what I'm doing in this conversation.



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They're not answering because your question is an obvious misnomer.

The employer ultimately writes the check, the money though came from the consumer.

The franchisee writes the freakin' check. They're paying the wage. Not McDonald's.

Jesus.

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[G.T.]

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It's impossible to have an intellectual conversation about business economics with people who demostrate nothing but an abject ignorance of the subject. It's all emotion and simplistic guessing.

It's like me trying to tell an auto mechanic how to rebuild a transmission. He would just look at me, shake his head and roll his eyes. Understandably.

Which is what I'm doing in this conversation.



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They're not answering because your question is an obvious misnomer.

The employer ultimately writes the check, the money though came from the consumer.

The franchisee writes the freakin' check. They're paying the wage.

Jesus.

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Who is the employer,

jesus.


And it's pretty suspect that you don't have a follow-up point.

 

[Ame®icano]

My only regret is that I never eat in FFRs to boycott them.

$15 an hour minimum wage nationwide sounds about right to me.

If may I ask, how did you get to that number?

 

[Mac1958]

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My point was made in Post 548.

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[G.T.]

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My point was made in Post 548.

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Yea, not really.

The franchisee has to adhere to a Corporate standard for compensation.

 

[Rshermr]

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It's impossible to have an intellectual conversation about business economics with people who demostrate nothing but an abject ignorance of the subject. It's all emotion and simplistic guessing.

It's like me trying to tell an auto mechanic how to rebuild a transmission. He would just look at me, shake his head and roll his eyes. Understandably.

Which is what I'm doing in this conversation.



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They're not answering because your question is an obvious misnomer.

The employer ultimately writes the check, the money though came from the consumer.

The franchisee writes the freakin' check. They're paying the wage. Not McDonald's.

Jesus.

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Jesus, you are being ignorant. In many cases, yes, the franchisee writes the check. In others, McDonalds writes the check. You see, and I suspect you know, the biggest mcd's are corporate owned, NOT franchises.
But, as with all businesses, customers provide the demand for the product. Economic demand. Look it up. And that means that NO checks are written without the consumer byuying the product. And without the worker producing the product.

So, did you have a point????????????????????? Or are you just bored???

 

[Mac1958]

They're not answering because your question is an obvious misnomer.

The employer ultimately writes the check, the money though came from the consumer.

The franchisee writes the freakin' check. They're paying the wage. Not McDonald's.

Jesus.

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Jesus, you are being ignorant. In many cases, yes, the franchisee writes the check. In others, McDonalds writes the check. You see, and I suspect you know, the biggest mcd's are corporate owned, NOT franchises.
But, as with all businesses, customers provide the demand for the product. Economic demand. Look it up. And that means that NO checks are written without the consumer byuying the product. And without the worker producing the product.

So, did you have a point????????????????????? Or are you just bored???

About 80% of McDonald's restaurants are owned by franchisees. Which is precisely why I said "most". I try to choose my words carefully.

And yes, I'm bored. As I said, it's impossible to have an intellectual discussion about business economics with people who are clearly ignorant of the topic. I tried, it didn't work, I continue to see people say things that are demonstrably incorrect with zero understanding of the issue simply because they're emoting, I became bored.

Ya got me on that one.

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[G.T.]

I think it's more like it's hard for you to admit that

#1. the point in asking the question was invalid
#2. the answers were ultimately correct

 

[JoeB131]

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About 80% of McDonald's restaurants are owned by franchisees. Which is precisely why I said "most". I try to choose my words carefully.

And yes, I'm bored. As I said, it's impossible to have an intellectual discussion about business economics with people who are clearly ignorant of the topic. I tried, it didn't work, I continue to see people say things that are demonstrably incorrect with zero understanding of the issue simply because they're emoting, I became bored.

Ya got me on that one.

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I guess what I get bored with are the plutocrats who destroyed the middle class and the American economy lecturing me about what constitutes good economics.

We had good economics. Most of the work force was unionized and the rich paid their fair s hare in taxes to keep them from accumulating too much of the wealth. And you know what, it worked.

Yeah, there were "McDonalds" jobs for teenagers. It was usually an incentive to get a college education or join a union or sign up for the military so you don't have to do that kind of shit work when you're older.

Today those jobs are worked by 29 year olds, who have to go back to the government for food stamps and medical care. But the Franchisees are making money sometimes, and that's the important thing.

FUck the people who actually DO the work.

 

[Rshermr]

My only regret is that I never eat in FFRs to boycott them.

$15 an hour minimum wage nationwide sounds about right to me.

If may I ask, how did you get to that number?

He just said in his opinion. If you want a logical reason, look at the min wage in 1960, and look at the cost of living index, and you will find that based on inflation over that period the current rate should be about $16.50. Or, look at the productivity index during that time. Same basic answer.
"The figure shows the real (i.e., inflation-adjusted) value of the minimum wage, plus what the minimum wage would be if it had kept pace with productivity growth since 1968, as it did for the two decades prior. If the minimum wage had kept up with productivity growth over this period, it would now be $18.67 per hour. That sounds shockingly high—it is two-and-a-half times as high as the current minimum wage and is actually higher than the median wage, which is $16.30 per hour. But it’s important to keep in mind that the primary reason a minimum wage of $18.67 sounds so high today is because the wages of most workers are so low. Most workers have not reaped the benefits of productivity growth for the last four decades. If the median wage had kept pace with productivity growth over the last 40 years, it would now be $28.42 instead of $16.30. In other words, an $18.67 minimum wage sounds shockingly high because the already affluent have captured most of the economic growth in the last 40 years, not because the economy hasn’t seen the kind of productivity growth consistent with that kind of minimum wage growth."
Lagging minimum wage is one reason why most Americans? wages have fallen behind productivity | Economic Policy Institute


So, I am sure you have a reason for why it should stay at or under $7.25, the national rate today. Want to suggest what that reason is???

 

[G.T.]

Greed is good! Except when it's destroying the Country from the inside out.