Walmart subsidizes the U.S. government's welfare program to a tune of. $15,080 per employee a year

[beagle9]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

. The union's ran it into the ground because the union's didn't realize fast enough that the globalist were taking over the show, and that they were fixing to be a thing of the past once that doorway had opened on them completely. So the union's tried to get in on a piece of the action by supporting the transition from American worker to the global worker (Mexicans). Seems I remember this being the case, where as the American workers were being betrayed by the union's, but the union's were just trying to adjust and survive in the situation. We're the worlds union's becoming a globalist union for all workers of the world ? If so, was that a good thing for protecting the sovereign citizens of each country, and their standards of doing things, and their pride in doing things ? Isn't the citizen worker of each country, also a representative of each country, and of the strength and power that a country represents individually on the world stage ? If the countries of the world are undermined in these ways, then doesn't that lead eventually to them becoming in subjection to another who may not have bitten the apple as quickly as they might have ? America is strong enough (or was), not to have engaged in the things that have weakened her, demoralized her, and put her under the yoke of the globalist. Shame on America for allowing this to happen, and shame on anyone who was a partaker in the weakening of this nation from within and from without.

 

[Dragonlady]

People dont step up in big retail. Big retail does not want good hard working people because they move onto better working conditions.

. No they want good hard working people alright, they just want them for nothing near abouts. Socialism or communism is their choice of operation when dealing with their employees. Democrats are socialist communist types, and they have almost destroyed the fabric of this nation with their globalist equal us all out bull crap.

It's not the Democrats who came up with this Earned Income Credits bullshit. This was Nixon's doing. Successive Republican governments have used EIC's as an excuse not to raise the minimum wage, and have instead, over the years, increased the EIC's rather than the minimum wage.

This has to be the MOST expensive way possible to get money back into the hands of the working poor. Cancelling EIC's for full time workers would not only cut socials programs, but reduce the number of government workers needed to process payments for these programs.

With the loss of the manufacturing base to the Third World, more and more Americans qualify for EIC's, such that you have 47% of Americans who don't pay income taxes. Increasing the minimum wage would eliminate EIC's for working Americans, and turn them into tax payers, not to mention boost consumer spending.

 

[Brain357]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

That is just silly. The CEO and execs decided to build cars people didn't want. Unions had nothing to do with it.

Again you live in fantasy land.

GM Execs thought this was a good idea to make:
Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Brain357]

Trump wants to make America great again. Well I hope he realizes we were way better with strong Unions! If he wants to make us great again he has to undo what Republicans have been doing for 30 years.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

. The union's ran it into the ground because the union's didn't realize fast enough that the globalist were taking over the show, and that they were fixing to be a thing of the past once that doorway had opened on them completely. So the union's tried to get in on a piece of the action by supporting the transition from American worker to the global worker (Mexicans). Seems I remember this being the case, where as the American workers were being betrayed by the union's, but the union's were just trying to adjust and survive in the situation. We're the worlds union's becoming a globalist union for all workers of the world ? If so, was that a good thing for protecting the sovereign citizens of each country, and their standards of doing things, and their pride in doing things ? Isn't the citizen worker of each country, also a representative of each country, and of the strength and power that a country represents individually on the world stage ? If the countries of the world are undermined in these ways, then doesn't that lead eventually to them becoming in subjection to another who may not have bitten the apple as quickly as they might have ? America is strong enough (or was), not to have engaged in the things that have weakened her, demoralized her, and put her under the yoke of the globalist. Shame on America for allowing this to happen, and shame on anyone who was a partaker in the weakening of this nation from within and from without.

The American unions had a couple of decades to adjust, but unions always hold on until it's too late. The unions are not about to save anything while lowering their membership contribution.

I've seen this so often at work. We would deliver crates to companies moving out of the state or country. In most cases, it was union shops. Talk to the workers about it, and they refused to back down from the company in spite of the company promising they would close up shop. Union workers were duped into believing that their unions would find other union jobs for them. What they didn't realize is that it was not the 70's anymore.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump wants to make America great again. Well I hope he realizes we were way better with strong Unions! If he wants to make us great again he has to undo what Republicans have been doing for 30 years.

Really? So what have Republicans been doing for 30 years?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

That is just silly. The CEO and execs decided to build cars people didn't want. Unions had nothing to do with it.

Again you live in fantasy land.

GM Execs thought this was a good idea to make:
Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who Is at Fault for the Decline of the Big Three?

 

[Dragonlady]

The union's ran it into the ground because the union's didn't realize fast enough that the globalist were taking over the show, and that they were fixing to be a thing of the past once that doorway had opened on them completely. So the union's tried to get in on a piece of the action by supporting the transition from American worker to the global worker (Mexicans). Seems I remember this being the case, where as the American workers were being betrayed by the union's, but the union's were just trying to adjust and survive in the situation. We're the worlds union's becoming a globalist union for all workers of the world ? If so, was that a good thing for protecting the sovereign citizens of each country, and their standards of doing things, and their pride in doing things ? Isn't the citizen worker of each country, also a representative of each country, and of the strength and power that a country represents individually on the world stage ? If the countries of the world are undermined in these ways, then doesn't that lead eventually to them becoming in subjection to another who may not have bitten the apple as quickly as they might have ? America is strong enough (or was), not to have engaged in the things that have weakened her, demoralized her, and put her under the yoke of the globalist. Shame on America for allowing this to happen, and shame on anyone who was a partaker in the weakening of this nation from within and from without.

The UNIONS ran GM into the ground???? That's hardly the case. The unions didn't go to the government and plead with them to ignore emissions standards and safety standards in the rest of the world and make cars that couldn't be sold overseas. The unions didn't design the cars that no one wanted, with poor fuel economy, and that were uncomfortable to sit in. Those decisions were all executive decisions.

Ford managed to pay basically the same wages, and build their own cars and NOT go into bankruptcy. And their employees had substantially the same union contracts as GM and Chrysler. How is it that Ford kept their heads above water if the auto workers union drove the other companies into the ground. It's the same union, after all.

Oh, and after the CEO of GM was fired, he received $20 million in retirement benefits for driving GM into the ground. It would have been MORE but the government blocked GM from paying out severance pay to fired executives as part of their bailout package.

 

[initforme]

Ford makes a superior product and gm was making a poor product thats what did them in. Still the case today as far as trucks go especially.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

That is just silly. The CEO and execs decided to build cars people didn't want. Unions had nothing to do with it.

Again you live in fantasy land.

GM Execs thought this was a good idea to make:
Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Always trying to blame everybody but US?

God damn Brian how many horror story's must be said before you believe the union workers in the 70s were a lazy drunken bunch?

 

[Brain357]

Trump wants to make America great again. Well I hope he realizes we were way better with strong Unions! If he wants to make us great again he has to undo what Republicans have been doing for 30 years.

Really? So what have Republicans been doing for 30 years?

Well they have been having a war on unions. They have told us how great things will be without unions. Well unions are deep in decline, where is the prosperity?

They have been giving the rich all sorts of tax breaks claiming it was good for the economy. Where is the strong economy?

 

[Brain357]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

That is just silly. The CEO and execs decided to build cars people didn't want. Unions had nothing to do with it.

Again you live in fantasy land.

GM Execs thought this was a good idea to make:
Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Always trying to blame everybody but US?

God damn Brian how many horror story's must be said before you believe the union workers in the 70s were a lazy drunken bunch?

They didn't choose what cars to make. GM was making huge gas guzzlers when people wanted economy. And well look at the Aztek, who the heck would buy that?

 

[Dragonlady]

Ford makes a superior product and gm was making a poor product thats what did them in. Still the case today as far as trucks go especially.

Unions are not responsible for the product they produce. They don't make the design or production decisions. This fiction that the US auto industry failed because of the unions is the sort of lie that conservatives tell because they hate unions. The US auto industry failed because the executive of two out of the three companies made bad decisions as to what the American car consumer wants.

When GM re-introduced the Camero around the time the first Transformer movie came out 2007, I was excited. I owned a Camero back in the 1970's and it was one of my favourite cars ever. At the time, I owned a black Camero, and my (now) husband owned a white Firebird. So my husband and I were both excited to see the new Camero at the auto show. But when we got into the car, the seats were uncomfortable, and the whole cabin was very poorly designed. To say we were disappointed would be an understatement.

 

[G.T.]

terrible use of logic, OP

 

[Wyatt earp]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

That is just silly. The CEO and execs decided to build cars people didn't want. Unions had nothing to do with it.

Again you live in fantasy land.

GM Execs thought this was a good idea to make:
Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Always trying to blame everybody but US?

God damn Brian how many horror story's must be said before you believe the union workers in the 70s were a lazy drunken bunch?

They didn't choose what cars to make. GM was making huge gas guzzlers when people wanted economy. And well look at the Aztek, who the heck would buy that?

They were on the gravy train, they choose how to work. I bet you are another one who thinks workers don't know what's going on.

 

[Brain357]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

That is just silly. The CEO and execs decided to build cars people didn't want. Unions had nothing to do with it.

Again you live in fantasy land.

GM Execs thought this was a good idea to make:
Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who Is at Fault for the Decline of the Big Three?

Great opinion piece by a journalist. I should care why?

Take a look at the Aztek, that wasn't a union decision.

 

[Brain357]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

That is just silly. The CEO and execs decided to build cars people didn't want. Unions had nothing to do with it.

Again you live in fantasy land.

GM Execs thought this was a good idea to make:
Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Always trying to blame everybody but US?

God damn Brian how many horror story's must be said before you believe the union workers in the 70s were a lazy drunken bunch?

They didn't choose what cars to make. GM was making huge gas guzzlers when people wanted economy. And well look at the Aztek, who the heck would buy that?

They were on the gravy train, they choose how to work. I bet you are another one who thinks workers don't know what's going on.

And we had a strong economy. Now unions are in decline, wages are stagnant, and the economy is slow. Not the prosperity Republicans promised.

 

[beagle9]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

That is just silly. The CEO and execs decided to build cars people didn't want. Unions had nothing to do with it.

Again you live in fantasy land.

GM Execs thought this was a good idea to make:
Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'll Trump you with this one.. The Chevrolet Vega... LOL.

 

[Brain357]

What Happened to GM

GM likes to blame a lot of their problems on increased employee expenses in the United States due to the unions. This is a small factor I am sure, but mostly just an excuse. Toyota and other foreign automakers manufacture their cars in this country as well. In fact, the American car companies do a lot of their assembly in Mexico. So, the competition that is taking over GM's top spot is incurring similar expenses.

I think the real problem is the poor quality and the design of the cars. As someone who used to only buy GM vehicles I can say I wouldn't even consider buying one again. I find the design and look of the cars to be unattractive, I also feel the quality of their cars is inferior to their foreign competitors. While they clearly have not put as much effort into their cars as their competition, their prices somehow still remain equal with the competition. The sticker prices on the cars are similar I should say, but the promotions being used by the Big Three American automakers to sell cars is much different. Even with the sales promotions all three companies are still losing market share. Toyota gains market share every year and they have not had to offer an employee discount or a red tag sales event. They just build high-quality vehicles and that is all the promotion they need.

 

[Brain357]

Um, yeah, clearly the CEO of Toyota is a hack compared to the CEO of GM who ran his company in to the ground and required a government bailout.

Nope, the real difference is they don't have a society where greed is considered a virtue, and wealth inequality isn't tolerated.

It's the unions that ran GM into the ground. That's why starting pay there is so low today and you don't get benefits for quite a while.

Toyota put their money into quality parts and engineering. That's something a CEO couldn't have done with GM because they were putting all their money into union pay and benefits. American cars are now getting better, but I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't owned an American car in ten years.

That is just silly. The CEO and execs decided to build cars people didn't want. Unions had nothing to do with it.

Again you live in fantasy land.

GM Execs thought this was a good idea to make:
Pontiac Aztek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'll Trump you with this one.. The Chevrolet Vega... LOL

There are lots of big mistakes. First they had gas guzzlers when people wanted economy. Then when they tried to make economy they were junk compared to Japanese economy cars. The designers and engineers are not union.