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Once you get your 666 credit card, and your 666 guaranteed income, you won't care if you have a job.Yesterday I stopped into a Walmart in Wooster, Ohio to pick up a cheap gym bag. I actually found a pretty nice one, not exactly "cheap", but not outlandish. I figured I'd scored and headed to the front of the store.
When I got there, I was shocked to see that not a single check-out lane had an actual cashier. Every single lane was self-serve. Every. Single. One.
Years ago, my then 16 year old daughter made $6.25 an hour as a cashier for Walmart. As long as her grades were good, we allowed her to work as many hours as she was offered. She wasn't getting rich, obviously, but she had her own money to do with as she pleased.
When I asked the self-serve "attendant" about it, she told me that they went to an all self-serve model after the minimum wage became the latest perceived panacea for the left. There were about 20 checkout lanes. There's only one person overseeing the self-checkout lanes.
That means that 19 people who could've had cashier jobs have been replaced by technology.
That's very good news for Walmart, and very shitty news for the 19 people who could've had those jobs...
It’s strange that it works that way. It’s as if Americans want large segments of the population poor and suffering, in the richest nation in the world.And therein lies the key, "in many places". States and cities are free to set their MW where it works best for them. Like I said, if society thinks everyone should earn a basic income, society should set it up. Tax the crap out of everyone or just print the money until inflation kills everything and print the checks.Minimum wage is low enough in many places that people can still get food stamps. That is a direct government subsidy for paying people chickenfeed.I like living here because I can still, with the right combination of factors, rise above where I started from, or choose to trade financial success for other things. IOW, freedom is good. The reality is, technology is rapidly rendering low wage manual laborers superfluous.Because workers deserve a good wage. Why do you like living in the richest nation in the world but where millions of workers get paid poorly, while the ultra rich make enormous sums of cash?Why do you insist a company has to pay more to get something done than they need to? Would you insist they pay an army of people to mop the floors on hands and knees when they don't need to?Yes we need to make sure all the profits flow up to the Walton family, who enjoy their many mansions, private jets, and exotic vacations.If Walmart is having a hard time it's not because of wages its because they are losing their market supremacy to Amazon. Both are looking to to make human workers a thing of the past. Every job that can be mechanized eventually will be because it's even cheaper than slave labor. Flesh and blood cannot compete with that.
Oh, I don't see Walmart having a hard time at all. The store was packed. The parking lot of my local store in Florida is always packed. Our store in Florida has increased the number of self-serve lanes after Florida voters approved a $15 minimum wage.
Simply put, the skill level of the job is not worthy of $15 an hour. So, in response, Walmart will invest in these self-serve aisles which will pay for themselves in pretty short order...
Now, forcing businesses to pay artificially high wages for jobs that are not worth that much is simple welfare, and if society believes everyone should be paid more than what they produce, it should be up to society to levy taxes, collect them and write the checks. Don't turn business into welfare distribution centers.
We've been printing, printing, printing for the markets but people only get upset when those on the bottom rungs are able to benefit from that.
Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
Like I said, convince enough people to pay more and price the poor out of the market and you can do it.Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what a terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
There you go. The consumer drives all this, not the "capitalists" and not the "politicians", the consumer who wants to buy a TV for $200 that would cost him $450 if it was made by American unions. All you have to do now is convince everyone that it's in their best interest to pay more for stuff and leave the poor out of it.Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
What’s really weird is many Americans are perfectly happy about this.
Lol. The poor are already priced out of the market. They’re poor after all.Like I said, convince enough people to pay more and price the poor out of the market and you can do it.Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what a terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
There you go. The consumer drives all this, not the "capitalists" and not the "politicians", the consumer who wants to buy a TV for $200 that would cost him $450 if it was made by American unions. All you have to do now is convince everyone that it's in their best interest to pay more for stuff and leave the poor out of it.Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
What’s really weird is many Americans are perfectly happy about this.
No the capitalists did. You silly cons think we’re living in some kind of Adam Smith free market capitalism. We’re not.There you go. The consumer drives all this, not the "capitalists" and not the "politicians", the consumer who wants to buy a TV for $200 that would cost him $450 if it was made by American unions. All you have to do now is convince everyone that it's in their best interest to pay more for stuff and leave the poor out of it.Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
What’s really weird is many Americans are perfectly happy about this.
Exactly. When I was a little boy in the early 1960s, it was difficult to buy a product not made in America. Today it’s now the exact opposite.There you go. The consumer drives all this, not the "capitalists" and not the "politicians", the consumer who wants to buy a TV for $200 that would cost him $450 if it was made by American unions. All you have to do now is convince everyone that it's in their best interest to pay more for stuff and leave the poor out of it.Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
What’s really weird is many Americans are perfectly happy about this.
There are no such options. I wandered around a shoe store while the wife shopped and I checked shoe after shoe after shoe. Not a single one made here. Most were made in Vietnam. Priced as high as $50 or more.
You will never convince me that we can not profitably make a $50 shoe here in the US and still pay people a decent wage profitably. The problem is Wall Street wants higher and higher profits every year or they crush you.
There you go. The consumer drives all this, not the "capitalists" and not the "politicians", the consumer who wants to buy a TV for $200 that would cost him $450 if it was made by American unions. All you have to do now is convince everyone that it's in their best interest to pay more for stuff and leave the poor out of it.Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
What’s really weird is many Americans are perfectly happy about this.
There are no such options. I wandered around a shoe store while the wife shopped and I checked shoe after shoe after shoe. Not a single one made here. Most were made in Vietnam. Priced as high as $50 or more.
You will never convince me that we can not profitably make a $50 shoe here in the US and still pay people a decent wage profitably. The problem is Wall Street wants higher and higher profits every year or they crush you.
There you go. The consumer drives all this, not the "capitalists" and not the "politicians", the consumer who wants to buy a TV for $200 that would cost him $450 if it was made by American unions. All you have to do now is convince everyone that it's in their best interest to pay more for stuff and leave the poor out of it.Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
What’s really weird is many Americans are perfectly happy about this.
There are no such options. I wandered around a shoe store while the wife shopped and I checked shoe after shoe after shoe. Not a single one made here. Most were made in Vietnam. Priced as high as $50 or more.
You will never convince me that we can not profitably make a $50 shoe here in the US and still pay people a decent wage profitably. The problem is Wall Street wants higher and higher profits every year or they crush you.
The shoe business is a tough racket, there are relatively few US shoe manufacturers, although they do exist.
My New Balance shoes were built in Indonesia, although I prefer my Ecco loafers which are made in the Tremendous Republic of Slovakia.
Happened in Nassau County.Yesterday I stopped into a Walmart in Wooster, Ohio to pick up a cheap gym bag. I actually found a pretty nice one, not exactly "cheap", but not outlandish. I figured I'd scored and headed to the front of the store.
When I got there, I was shocked to see that not a single check-out lane had an actual cashier. Every single lane was self-serve. Every. Single. One.
Years ago, my then 16 year old daughter made $6.25 an hour as a cashier for Walmart. As long as her grades were good, we allowed her to work as many hours as she was offered. She wasn't getting rich, obviously, but she had her own money to do with as she pleased.
When I asked the self-serve "attendant" about it, she told me that they went to an all self-serve model after the minimum wage became the latest perceived panacea for the left. There were about 20 checkout lanes. There's only one person overseeing the self-checkout lanes.
That means that 19 people who could've had cashier jobs have been replaced by technology.
That's very good news for Walmart, and very shitty news for the 19 people who could've had those jobs...
utter bullshit.Sounds like you need a Midol. Never forget that government intervention in the economy arises from the failures of capitalism to meet the needs of society. In our case it's more accurate to say that the government absorbs the failures of capitalism in order to keep the economy stable.Wages wouldnt need to raise nearly as much if the corrupt government stayed out of the economy.Bitch. bitch, bitch. Even raising one or two kids isn't getting any cheaper while wages stay so flat that the government has to eventually try to do something about it. If we had real non-mandated wage growth we would not being having this conversation.Its a subsidy for having more children than you can afford. Basically, getting free food for being a dumbass.Minimum wage is low enough in many places that people can still get food stamps. That is a direct government subsidy for paying people chickenfeed.I like living here because I can still, with the right combination of factors, rise above where I started from, or choose to trade financial success for other things. IOW, freedom is good. The reality is, technology is rapidly rendering low wage manual laborers superfluous.Because workers deserve a good wage. Why do you like living in the richest nation in the world but where millions of workers get paid poorly, while the ultra rich make enormous sums of cash?Why do you insist a company has to pay more to get something done than they need to? Would you insist they pay an army of people to mop the floors on hands and knees when they don't need to?Yes we need to make sure all the profits flow up to the Walton family, who enjoy their many mansions, private jets, and exotic vacations.If Walmart is having a hard time it's not because of wages its because they are losing their market supremacy to Amazon. Both are looking to to make human workers a thing of the past. Every job that can be mechanized eventually will be because it's even cheaper than slave labor. Flesh and blood cannot compete with that.
Oh, I don't see Walmart having a hard time at all. The store was packed. The parking lot of my local store in Florida is always packed. Our store in Florida has increased the number of self-serve lanes after Florida voters approved a $15 minimum wage.
Simply put, the skill level of the job is not worthy of $15 an hour. So, in response, Walmart will invest in these self-serve aisles which will pay for themselves in pretty short order...
Now, forcing businesses to pay artificially high wages for jobs that are not worth that much is simple welfare, and if society believes everyone should be paid more than what they produce, it should be up to society to levy taxes, collect them and write the checks. Don't turn business into welfare distribution centers.
You federal supremacists reward the govt with more power for fucking it up in the first place.
You people are goddamn retarded.
And i wasnt bitching. I was correcting your ignorant post. There is a difference.
Not at Wal-Mart, they're not.Lol. The poor are already priced out of the market. They’re poor after all.Like I said, convince enough people to pay more and price the poor out of the market and you can do it.Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what a terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
It costs money to maintain manufacturing infrastructure, money that is totally wasted if the goods cannot be sold. We were underpriced by foreign competition and never adjusted to that new reality, so we simply abandoned manufacturing certain goods here at home because we couldn't compete with the lower costs from foreign competitors. Tell you what, start a shoe manufacturing company here in the US, produce a $50 shoe, pay all American workers a "decent" wage and make a profit. Demonstrate it can be done, despite the experts that convinced American shoe manufacturers that they couldn't do it.There you go. The consumer drives all this, not the "capitalists" and not the "politicians", the consumer who wants to buy a TV for $200 that would cost him $450 if it was made by American unions. All you have to do now is convince everyone that it's in their best interest to pay more for stuff and leave the poor out of it.Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
What’s really weird is many Americans are perfectly happy about this.
There are no such options. I wandered around a shoe store while the wife shopped and I checked shoe after shoe after shoe. Not a single one made here. Most were made in Vietnam. Priced as high as $50 or more.
You will never convince me that we can not profitably make a $50 shoe here in the US and still pay people a decent wage profitably. The problem is Wall Street wants higher and higher profits every year or they crush you.
If the consumer insisted on buying only products made in the USA, that's what we would see on the shelves. They don't, because they want a lower price than American made can give.No the capitalists did. You silly cons think we’re living in some kind of Adam Smith free market capitalism. We’re not.There you go. The consumer drives all this, not the "capitalists" and not the "politicians", the consumer who wants to buy a TV for $200 that would cost him $450 if it was made by American unions. All you have to do now is convince everyone that it's in their best interest to pay more for stuff and leave the poor out of it.Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
What’s really weird is many Americans are perfectly happy about this.
people who work for a living shouldn't have to be on welfare to make ends meet. The minimum wage is designed to insure people make enough money to not need welfare if they work for a living they should earn a living.Isnt this the progressive dream to put as many people on welfare as they can get?Yesterday I stopped into a Walmart in Wooster, Ohio to pick up a cheap gym bag. I actually found a pretty nice one, not exactly "cheap", but not outlandish. I figured I'd scored and headed to the front of the store.
When I got there, I was shocked to see that not a single check-out lane had an actual cashier. Every single lane was self-serve. Every. Single. One.
Years ago, my then 16 year old daughter made $6.25 an hour as a cashier for Walmart. As long as her grades were good, we allowed her to work as many hours as she was offered. She wasn't getting rich, obviously, but she had her own money to do with as she pleased.
When I asked the self-serve "attendant" about it, she told me that they went to an all self-serve model after the minimum wage became the latest perceived panacea for the left. There were about 20 checkout lanes. There's only one person overseeing the self-checkout lanes.
That means that 19 people who could've had cashier jobs have been replaced by technology.
That's very good news for Walmart, and very shitty news for the 19 people who could've had those jobs...
Hmmm, early 60's. What ended 15 years prior to 1960? What could possibly have caused the world's major manufacturers problems setting up wholesale manufacturing? Notice that 15 years later the rest of the world was catching up and some easily surpassed American manufacturing.Exactly. When I was a little boy in the early 1960s, it was difficult to buy a product not made in America. Today it’s now the exact opposite.There you go. The consumer drives all this, not the "capitalists" and not the "politicians", the consumer who wants to buy a TV for $200 that would cost him $450 if it was made by American unions. All you have to do now is convince everyone that it's in their best interest to pay more for stuff and leave the poor out of it.Yes, American capitalists outsourced American jobs for cheaper labor markets, with the full support of American politicians, and America is now full of poor people. Consequences!Let’s see? Do we want workers paid well to avoid a nation full of poor and lower class people, or do we want to pay a little more for the products we buy? Oh what terrible conundrum.They also pay higher prices for things. That's all you have to do here, convince everyone that allowing the poor to afford goods and services is a bad thing and we all need to pay higher prices.Yeah paying workers a good wage is just too difficult for Americans. Europeans can do it successfully because they are so much smarter. They don’t have legions of billionaires to support.The only way to stop that is to cut off the global economy. Labor costs money, and when you make that labor too expensive, the company finds alternatives. First there was outsourcing, just get cheaper workers to do the same job and if the consumer doesn't care about or can even tell that the quality is lower, they're happy because the poor can afford to shop. Now there's automation, and we see that everywhere. It won't be long before the unskilled and uneducated laborer will have a very difficult time finding work.I don’t. You’re confusing things.Nonsense.Very true. It’s the American Way to make sure workers are paid shit and the senior people get fabulously wealthy.Yeah, not so much...Because it’s the American Way.You might look at Western Europe. Their workers are unionized, have HC, and job security. Oh but we can’t have that in the US. The rich deserve all the profits.Because workers deserve a good wage.
They "deserve" it? Why?
Would you like to respond again, or are you satisfied with failing to answer the question?
Why does someone "deserve" a good paying job?
Why do you believe an employer has a responsibility which is greater and more important than the health of his business?
A better question is, why do you want all the money flowing to the top?
Here's the bottom line. You're going to have to demand higher prices from companies so they pay their workers more. Organize boycotts and go public saying cheap goods that the poor can afford to buy are a travesty and you insist on higher prices.
Prices at Walmart are significantly lower than we had in the past. A pair of Walmart jeans can be had for $11 bucks or so, less than what they cost at Sears in the 1980's
That's because those jeans are made in Vietnam now. People used to make a living wage making jeans here in the USA.
What’s really weird is many Americans are perfectly happy about this.
There are no such options. I wandered around a shoe store while the wife shopped and I checked shoe after shoe after shoe. Not a single one made here. Most were made in Vietnam. Priced as high as $50 or more.
You will never convince me that we can not profitably make a $50 shoe here in the US and still pay people a decent wage profitably. The problem is Wall Street wants higher and higher profits every year or they crush you.
And states and cities can set their own MW. There is little need for Washington to do so as well.people who work for a living shouldn't have to be on welfare to make ends meet. The minimum wage is designed to insure people make enough money to not need welfare if they work for a living they should earn a living.Isnt this the progressive dream to put as many people on welfare as they can get?Yesterday I stopped into a Walmart in Wooster, Ohio to pick up a cheap gym bag. I actually found a pretty nice one, not exactly "cheap", but not outlandish. I figured I'd scored and headed to the front of the store.
When I got there, I was shocked to see that not a single check-out lane had an actual cashier. Every single lane was self-serve. Every. Single. One.
Years ago, my then 16 year old daughter made $6.25 an hour as a cashier for Walmart. As long as her grades were good, we allowed her to work as many hours as she was offered. She wasn't getting rich, obviously, but she had her own money to do with as she pleased.
When I asked the self-serve "attendant" about it, she told me that they went to an all self-serve model after the minimum wage became the latest perceived panacea for the left. There were about 20 checkout lanes. There's only one person overseeing the self-checkout lanes.
That means that 19 people who could've had cashier jobs have been replaced by technology.
That's very good news for Walmart, and very shitty news for the 19 people who could've had those jobs...
