Walter Williams: Why the Founders Did Not Want a Democracy

[BlackSand]

its either right or its wrong,, that is wrong

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Wait until you figure out that there are really only three forms of government,
and all the others in one way or another fall under those three.

Oligarchy, Republic, Anarchy

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[progressive hunter]

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Wait until you figure out that there are really only three forms of government, and all the others in one way or another fall under those three.

Oligarchy, Republic, Anarchy

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so youre one of those people,,,

 

[BlackSand]

so youre one of those people,,,

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Very Much So ...

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[Natural Citizen]

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It doesn't matter if you like it ... It is correct ...

Anyway ... Good to see you, I just don't need to split hairs any more on it.
People tend to understand how things work when I use that definition.

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No, I understand what you mean. I don't even disagree in as far as you went with it.

But it's the people who don't know what you mean in scope that get lost and end up spinning themselves in circles. Seems counterintuitive.

As far as lacking interest in splitting hairs, I get it.

But some of the best, purely educational dialogue I've ever had or read has been between like-minded people rather than tradng keystrokes with your standard tv wingers.

Though the ancaps can sometimes throw a wrench into things.

 

[BS Filter]

And yet, it's the Republicans that fly the swastika.

You're an idiot.

 

[Lesh]

They did and if you don't get the fuck out

 

[Natural Citizen]

its either right or its wrong,, that is wrong

The Founders disagree with you.

 

[progressive hunter]

They did and if you don't get the fuck out

now thats a triggered response if I ever heard one,,

 

[progressive hunter]

The Founders disagree with you.

and yet again you fail to back that up with proof,,

 

[Natural Citizen]

and yet again you fail to back that up with proof,,

I've done it a hundred times, my man.

Like I said, try a forum search for keywords ''compound Republic"

There have been times I've been very thorough and there have been times I've explained it just quickly.

After a while its like talking to the wall. I get tired of repeating myself.

 

[progressive hunter]

I've done it a hundred times, my man.

Like I said, try a forum search for keywords ''compound Republic"

There have been times I've been very thorough and there have been times I've explained it just quickly.

After a while its like talking to the wall. I get tired of repeating myself.

let me use basic english to explain,,

democratically elect representatives is what we do,,

a constitutional republic is what we are,,

one is a noun and one isnt,, can you guess??

 

[Natural Citizen]

Anyway. Getting back to the topic of "a Democracy," America is a federated system of Republics. Each State being its own Republic with controlling power over the central, federal Republic.

"Democracy'' itself is a popular type of governance and an aspect of a true Republic.

"A Democracy'' is a form of government that is antithetical to "a Republican'' form of government.

So form vs type. It's a double meaning. That's where the gp gets confused with the term. And the establishment loves them for it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

One thing is certain, though, the anti-federalists have been proven correct in their fears and predictions over and over and over and over and over and over again.

 

[progressive hunter]

Anyway. Geting back to the topic of "a Democracy," America is a federated system of Republics. Each State being its own Republic with controlling power over the central, federal Republic.

"Democracy'' itself is a popular type of governance and an aspect of a true Republic.

"A Democracy'' is a form of government that is antithetical to "a Republican'' form of government.

So form vs type. It's a double meaning. That's where the gp gets confused with the term.

opinions vary,,

 

[Natural Citizen]

opinions vary,,

Oddball's kicked me in the nuts nice and good a few of times on here whenever I've popped off about state power.

Ultimately, he's right in scope and I have no logical response because he's right about ''the state''

But those are good discussions because they actually go some place meaningful.

 

[Natural Citizen]

opinions vary,,

Yeah, probaby. I tend to hold Madison's opinion, however.

I have researched whether we are a constitutional republic for decades,, you made a claim so provide a link,, I did,,

Again. "Compound Republic"

''In the compound republic of America, the power surrendered by the people is first divided between two distinct governments, and then the portion allotted to each subdivided among distinct and separate departments. Hence a double security arises to the rights of the people. The different governments will control each other, at the same time that each will be controlled by itself.'' - Madison Federalist #51

Federalist 51 - Bill of Rights Institute

The Federalist 51 main points explain why James Madison believed the constitutional checks and balances put in place would help create a limited government.

billofrightsinstitute.org

The Federalist, btw, being widely regarded as the blueprint for the constitution.

Alright, then. I'm logging out for the night. Have a good night.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I do tire of repeating myself, though. As I'd mentioned, I've tried to explain this well over a hundred times around here.

It's like talking to the wall a lot of the time, unfortunately.

 

[Mac-7]

Yep.

As small as it is (so far), there is only one party that is serious about changing this fucked up system.

Our Platform

The Forward Party supports ranked-choice voting, open primaries, and other reforms that will lay the foundation for a more representative multi-party democracy.

www.forwardparty.com

The Forward Party leans pretty far left

 

[progressive hunter]

I do tire of repeating myself, though. As I'd mentioned, I've tried to explain this well over a hundred times around here.

It's like talking to the wall a lot of the time, unfortunately.

I feel the same way,,

 

[bigrebnc1775]

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