War On Men

[Vastator]

Femenization? What do you think happens when men are raised by women, with no father around to show them what it means to be a man?

You act like they are isolated, like being raised by wolves.

Mothers are people and show their children how to be people.

No. Women and men are not the same. Shelve that nonsensical fantasy. Women do the best they can in most cases I’m sure. But no woman will ever be able to teach a boy what it means to be a man.
All too often they simply teach young boys how to be the man she wishes she landed, instead of the one she actually spread her legs for.

What exactly does it mean to "be a man" and what aspect of it could a women not teach? And as I said, just because a boy may not have a father, it does not mean that he does not have male role models

Role models are great. But no substitute for a father of the same lineage teaching his child the ways of the world specific to his shared genetics, and experience. What does it mean to be a man? We could be here all day. But frankly... this the the kind of question a son asks his father. And I’ve never gotten a deduction for you. You’ll have to ask the appropriate person...

Ah...like Focus on the Family said.....fathers take your sons into the shower and show them your penis so he knows what it's for....have him learn to pound round pegs in round holes.......

This thread is no place to regale stories from your childhood. TMI. Really...

 

[Vastator]

And yet you haven’t listed the ways in which they are consistently different.

He's at that age you may have to speak up...

Vhaaat!?

IN WHAT WAYS ARE MEN AND WOMEN CONSISTENTLY DIFFERENT?

Sweetheart... If you don’t have a clue by now... Nothing I tell you will improve your future.

Nice dodge. My future is fine.....sweetie.

But please, educate me like I still have a chance at womanly happiness.

Sounds like it...

 

[bodecea]

Sounds like you have some serious issues with women. I suggest that you seek professional help right away

I have no serious issues with women. I’ve been married to my high school sweetheart for 51yrs and raised a son and a daughter that is strong and successful. The only thing I have a problem with is women that think we need to prevent toxic masculinity (Whatever that is) by changing the natural traits of boys. Let boys be boys, it comes naturally to them.

Who is not letting boys be boys.? Boys can most certainly be boys but they, like girls , can be pretty much anything that they want to be. Your confusion seems to stem from the inability to distinguish between allowing boys- and girls - to be what ever it is that that want to be vs some female conspiracy to feminize boys. Now a days, boys can be nurses and social workers and girls can be firefighters and jet pilots and that is a good thing. Apparently you are lamenting the blurring of gender rolls. Get over it. It is not 1950 and Ozzie and Harriet have been off the air for quite some time.

I don't know what you mean by "toxic masculinity" and you admittedly don't know either. For me it is extreme macho attitudes that subjugate women, and I as a male have a problem with that too. Natural traits of boys? What is that exactly? I am a 70 year old - long time married man, and I never at a taste for many of the things that are attributed to males- war, dominance, sports etc. I was a social worker for many years but I assure you, I am all man . You have some strange ideas indeed.

These people, that's who!

Drag-queen demon reads to kids at Michelle Obama Library

"these people"? seriously? You know that was Halloween, right?

Doesn't matter. It could just as well be a gay club on a Thursday night.

Oh? Which ones do you frequent?

 

[bodecea]

Why do women feel they need to turn men into sissies? Do they feel they can’t complete with men? Do men have more drive, ambition, determination than women, is that what they want to eliminate from men? Why is it men, not women, that need to change? Rather than forcing little boys sit in a circle in kindergarten and talk about their feelings, boys don’t do that, why not make little girls elementary school start taking testosterone injections so they develop more male traits? If women want to be more like men make little girls change, not the little boys. Men are generally happy the way they are, if women aren’t happy with the life nature determined for them they need to change, not men. Testosterone is generally available to women that want to be more like men and they should use it because men are happy they are. Don’t expect most men to be attracted to the new maleized women because real men like women the way nature made them. God made women warm and nurturing and beautiful to attract men to support and protect and to make them mothers. Men are happy with that role and if some women don’t like it they can always start testosterone treatment. Men bon’t need to change, we’re happy.
Society may have a problem with some men using their position for sex, which we have laws to protect victims, but it is not assult when a woman uses sex to further their careers. It seems to me a lot of women have been willing to enter into that arrangement. If all the women in the entertainment industry would file rape charges the problen woulden’t exist, is they stayed silent to further their careers then they are as guilty as the men. They traded sex for their careers. Real men won’t change and real women are generally happy with them, the unhappy women should look for some testosterone.

Sounds like you have some serious issues with women. I suggest that you seek professional help right away

I have no serious issues with women. I’ve been married to my high school sweetheart for 51yrs and raised a son and a daughter that is strong and successful. The only thing I have a problem with is women that think we need to prevent toxic masculinity (Whatever that is) by changing the natural traits of boys. Let boys be boys, it comes naturally to them.

Would you say physically/sexually harassing/abusing women comes natural?

I don’t know anyone that thinks abusing women is all right. If you want to know who thinks it’s ok listen to some rap music made by men that were raised by women with no man in the house. The entire rap music empire exists because so many boys grew up with no male figure to teach them right from wrong or punish them when they strayed from accepted behavior.

Rap sucks.....period.

 

[ricechickie]

Of course not. They are two distinctly different kinds of people. I thought I made that clear...

And yet you haven’t listed the ways in which they are consistently different.

He's at that age you may have to speak up...

Vhaaat!?

IN WHAT WAYS ARE MEN AND WOMEN CONSISTENTLY DIFFERENT?

Well, there's that once-a-month bleeding thing, for one.

I’d stab you once a month, if it would make you feel better about not menstruating.

 

[bodecea]

Rappers abuse women in their songs all of the time and liberals worship them.

Why do women feel they need to turn men into sissies? Do they feel they can’t complete with men? Do men have more drive, ambition, determination than women, is that what they want to eliminate from men? Why is it men, not women, that need to change? Rather than forcing little boys sit in a circle in kindergarten and talk about their feelings, boys don’t do that, why not make little girls elementary school start taking testosterone injections so they develop more male traits? If women want to be more like men make little girls change, not the little boys. Men are generally happy the way they are, if women aren’t happy with the life nature determined for them they need to change, not men. Testosterone is generally available to women that want to be more like men and they should use it because men are happy they are. Don’t expect most men to be attracted to the new maleized women because real men like women the way nature made them. God made women warm and nurturing and beautiful to attract men to support and protect and to make them mothers. Men are happy with that role and if some women don’t like it they can always start testosterone treatment. Men bon’t need to change, we’re happy.
Society may have a problem with some men using their position for sex, which we have laws to protect victims, but it is not assult when a woman uses sex to further their careers. It seems to me a lot of women have been willing to enter into that arrangement. If all the women in the entertainment industry would file rape charges the problen woulden’t exist, is they stayed silent to further their careers then they are as guilty as the men. They traded sex for their careers. Real men won’t change and real women are generally happy with them, the unhappy women should look for some testosterone.

Sounds like you have some serious issues with women. I suggest that you seek professional help right away

I have no serious issues with women. I’ve been married to my high school sweetheart for 51yrs and raised a son and a daughter that is strong and successful. The only thing I have a problem with is women that think we need to prevent toxic masculinity (Whatever that is) by changing the natural traits of boys. Let boys be boys, it comes naturally to them.

Would you say physically/sexually harassing/abusing women comes natural?

I don’t know anyone that thinks abusing women is all right. If you want to know who thinks it’s ok listen to some rap music made by men that were raised by women with no man in the house. The entire rap music empire exists because so many boys grew up with no male figure to teach them right from wrong or punish them when they strayed from accepted behavior.

I'm a liberal and rap sucks.

 

[bodecea]

You act like they are isolated, like being raised by wolves.

Mothers are people and show their children how to be people.

No. Women and men are not the same. Shelve that nonsensical fantasy. Women do the best they can in most cases I’m sure. But no woman will ever be able to teach a boy what it means to be a man.
All too often they simply teach young boys how to be the man she wishes she landed, instead of the one she actually spread her legs for.

What exactly does it mean to "be a man" and what aspect of it could a women not teach? And as I said, just because a boy may not have a father, it does not mean that he does not have male role models

Role models are great. But no substitute for a father of the same lineage teaching his child the ways of the world specific to his shared genetics, and experience. What does it mean to be a man? We could be here all day. But frankly... this the the kind of question a son asks his father. And I’ve never gotten a deduction for you. You’ll have to ask the appropriate person...

Ah...like Focus on the Family said.....fathers take your sons into the shower and show them your penis so he knows what it's for....have him learn to pound round pegs in round holes.......

This thread is no place to regale stories from your childhood. TMI. Really...

No...that is from a Focus on the Family newsletter about 5-10 years ago....an article on how to keep your son from becoming gay.

 

[Vastator]

And yet you haven’t listed the ways in which they are consistently different.

He's at that age you may have to speak up...

Vhaaat!?

IN WHAT WAYS ARE MEN AND WOMEN CONSISTENTLY DIFFERENT?

Well, there's that once-a-month bleeding thing, for one.

I’d stab you once a month, if it would make you feel better about not menstruating.

But I’d stab you daily so you could know deep inside, what a man feels like... Is this the part where I insert an emoji?

 

[ricechickie]

Never claimed to, just putting my working mans prospective on the feminization on our sons.

Femenization? What do you think happens when men are raised by women, with no father around to show them what it means to be a man?

You act like they are isolated, like being raised by wolves.

Mothers are people and show their children how to be people.

No. Women and men are not the same. Shelve that nonsensical fantasy. Women do the best they can in most cases I’m sure. But no woman will ever be able to teach a boy what it means to be a man.
All too often they simply teach young boys how to be the man she wishes she landed, instead of the one she actually spread her legs for.

What must be taught to make a boy into a man? Be specific, please.

By the way, I made no claim that men and women are the same. I said women are people. Do you disagree with that?

Can't believe somebody finally asked the question.

Unfortunately, it takes a lesson in reality. First, let's talk about traditional roles - not to say that they are unique to a particular gender, but rather, that they are roles that must be assumed by SOMEBODY.

Men have, for eons, been the hunter, the protector, the provider, the creator. Women, on the other hand, have been the nurturer, the mother, the provider of succor and sympathy. There is no reason that men can't do the women's roles, or vice versa. But, the point is that SOMEBODY has to - in any relationship, in any society, in any civilization.

The questions becomes not what - but WHO.

Neither gender is very good at accepting the roles of the other. It is intrinsically impossible to combine the roles in a single person.

When you are the one who binds his wounds, are you capable of also telling him to shut up, suck it up, and keep going? Hardly.

When you are the one who tells you little boy that life is sacred, and all animals should not be mistreated or killed, are you also the one capable of telling him to ignore all that and kill that cute little bunny rabbit because you're hungry? Hardly.

When you are the one who teaches him to be kind to people, to respect his elders, to always obey the person in authority, are you also the one capable of teaching him that sometimes, you just have to kill the motherfucker? Hardly.

Men have their role in the raising of a son - and women have their role, as well. If they BOTH do their jobs well, the son is adjusted and capable. If not, he will tend toward one side of the spectrum or the other.

The dissolution of the nuclear family - coupled with the feminist movement - has created an imbalance in those roles. Women say they don't need men, and men leave. Women say they can handle it on their own - and men let them. Men no longer feel the responsibility to care for their families - they just leave. There was a time when a man accepted his responsibility - and there was a time when society pressured him to do so. No longer - today, we have the government acting as quasi-fathers.

Sad to say, we have a prime example right here in our country today, but it is impolitic to point it out.The percentage of black single mothers has doubled in the last 30 years. The percentage of black single mothers who receive support, or assistance, from a man has dropped by 80% in the past 40 years. There were more black children aborted in 2015 than were BORN!

Some will scream!!! He dares to blame the feminist movement!! How dare I?? I must be a misogynist, a woman-hater, a religious right wing nut. Not so. The feminist movement, while it cloaks itself in the robe of equality and fairness, has transmorphed into a power grab. It is not enough that women be equal - they must be in charge. They can't cooperate with men - they must rule them, control them, subjugate them. While this is, obviously, bad for a male-female relationship, it is catastrophic for a little boy trying to find his role in society. He watches, and he learns.

Every little boy, in order to understand society, in order to adjust to his roles, in order to function, must determine what roles are expected of him, and which roles he will accept. (Little girls are no different - they need role models, too). If he confuses the roles society expects of him, he will not be able to function successfully in that society. He will be judged - like it or not - by the traditional roles society expects of him. The so-called Alpha female does her son no good - in fact, as we've seen for the past 40 years, she does him great harm.

Thank you for your well thought out reply. I like how you acknowledge that the roles are traditional, and that each gender could take on the role of the other gender, but it is a societal construct that has cemented them. Some confuse that societal construct with biological mandate.

So, we might be in the midst of a changing of thought about gender roles, and therefore, will be judged, as you wrote, by the traditional roles society expects of us.

That is not an insurmountable obstacle. Especially if the outcome is more freedom to choose the role one wants to fulfill in a family, in the workforce, and in society.

 

[ricechickie]

Never claimed to, just putting my working mans prospective on the feminization on our sons.

Femenization? What do you think happens when men are raised by women, with no father around to show them what it means to be a man?

So, like, boys who only have a mother, or two mothers never are exposed to men?

They aren’t groomed, molded, and tutored by men. Day in, and day out. Sunrise, to sunset. NO! They are not. And almost isn’t close enough. Reality is a bitch.

Groomed, molded and tutored? What does that mean? A boy raised by women is going to have what sort of deficits , exactly? She us the evidence.

Walk thru the ghetto.

It’s “through”.

Sincerely,

Former Ghetto Dweller

 

[ricechickie]

Why do women feel they need to turn men into sissies? Do they feel they can’t complete with men? Do men have more drive, ambition, determination than women, is that what they want to eliminate from men? Why is it men, not women, that need to change? Rather than forcing little boys sit in a circle in kindergarten and talk about their feelings, boys don’t do that, why not make little girls elementary school start taking testosterone injections so they develop more male traits? If women want to be more like men make little girls change, not the little boys. Men are generally happy the way they are, if women aren’t happy with the life nature determined for them they need to change, not men. Testosterone is generally available to women that want to be more like men and they should use it because men are happy they are. Don’t expect most men to be attracted to the new maleized women because real men like women the way nature made them. God made women warm and nurturing and beautiful to attract men to support and protect and to make them mothers. Men are happy with that role and if some women don’t like it they can always start testosterone treatment. Men bon’t need to change, we’re happy.
Society may have a problem with some men using their position for sex, which we have laws to protect victims, but it is not assult when a woman uses sex to further their careers. It seems to me a lot of women have been willing to enter into that arrangement. If all the women in the entertainment industry would file rape charges the problen woulden’t exist, is they stayed silent to further their careers then they are as guilty as the men. They traded sex for their careers. Real men won’t change and real women are generally happy with them, the unhappy women should look for some testosterone.

Sounds like you have some serious issues with women. I suggest that you seek professional help right away

I have no serious issues with women. I’ve been married to my high school sweetheart for 51yrs and raised a son and a daughter that is strong and successful. The only thing I have a problem with is women that think we need to prevent toxic masculinity (Whatever that is) by changing the natural traits of boys. Let boys be boys, it comes naturally to them.

Would you say physically/sexually harassing/abusing women comes natural?

I don’t know anyone that thinks abusing women is all right. If you want to know who thinks it’s ok listen to some rap music made by men that were raised by women with no man in the house. The entire rap music empire exists because so many boys grew up with no male figure to teach them right from wrong or punish them when they strayed from accepted behavior.

So, fatherlessness bestows rhythm onto little boys?????

 

[Vastator]

Why do women feel they need to turn men into sissies? Do they feel they can’t complete with men? Do men have more drive, ambition, determination than women, is that what they want to eliminate from men? Why is it men, not women, that need to change? Rather than forcing little boys sit in a circle in kindergarten and talk about their feelings, boys don’t do that, why not make little girls elementary school start taking testosterone injections so they develop more male traits? If women want to be more like men make little girls change, not the little boys. Men are generally happy the way they are, if women aren’t happy with the life nature determined for them they need to change, not men. Testosterone is generally available to women that want to be more like men and they should use it because men are happy they are. Don’t expect most men to be attracted to the new maleized women because real men like women the way nature made them. God made women warm and nurturing and beautiful to attract men to support and protect and to make them mothers. Men are happy with that role and if some women don’t like it they can always start testosterone treatment. Men bon’t need to change, we’re happy.
Society may have a problem with some men using their position for sex, which we have laws to protect victims, but it is not assult when a woman uses sex to further their careers. It seems to me a lot of women have been willing to enter into that arrangement. If all the women in the entertainment industry would file rape charges the problen woulden’t exist, is they stayed silent to further their careers then they are as guilty as the men. They traded sex for their careers. Real men won’t change and real women are generally happy with them, the unhappy women should look for some testosterone.

Sounds like you have some serious issues with women. I suggest that you seek professional help right away

I have no serious issues with women. I’ve been married to my high school sweetheart for 51yrs and raised a son and a daughter that is strong and successful. The only thing I have a problem with is women that think we need to prevent toxic masculinity (Whatever that is) by changing the natural traits of boys. Let boys be boys, it comes naturally to them.

Would you say physically/sexually harassing/abusing women comes natural?

I don’t know anyone that thinks abusing women is all right. If you want to know who thinks it’s ok listen to some rap music made by men that were raised by women with no man in the house. The entire rap music empire exists because so many boys grew up with no male figure to teach them right from wrong or punish them when they strayed from accepted behavior.

So, fatherlessness bestows rhythm onto little boys?????

No. Electronic drum machines produced by Asians do that...

 

[ricechickie]

He's at that age you may have to speak up...

Vhaaat!?

IN WHAT WAYS ARE MEN AND WOMEN CONSISTENTLY DIFFERENT?

Sweetheart... If you don’t have a clue by now... Nothing I tell you will improve your future.

Nice dodge. My future is fine.....sweetie.

But please, educate me like I still have a chance at womanly happiness.

Sounds like it...

You can’t even answer this simple question with an obvious answer.

 

[ricechickie]

He's at that age you may have to speak up...

Vhaaat!?

IN WHAT WAYS ARE MEN AND WOMEN CONSISTENTLY DIFFERENT?

Well, there's that once-a-month bleeding thing, for one.

I’d stab you once a month, if it would make you feel better about not menstruating.

But I’d stab you daily so you could know deep inside, what a man feels like... Is this the part where I insert an emoji?

You poor, poor thing. My vagina bleeds in sympathy for you.

 

[Vastator]

Vhaaat!?

IN WHAT WAYS ARE MEN AND WOMEN CONSISTENTLY DIFFERENT?

Sweetheart... If you don’t have a clue by now... Nothing I tell you will improve your future.

Nice dodge. My future is fine.....sweetie.

But please, educate me like I still have a chance at womanly happiness.

Sounds like it...

You can’t even answer this simple question with an obvious answer.

The answer is obvious. Look between your legs for a glimpse down the rabbit hole. ( I’m being gentlemanly here..

 

[cutter]

Why do women feel they need to turn men into sissies? Do they feel they can’t complete with men? Do men have more drive, ambition, determination than women, is that what they want to eliminate from men? Why is it men, not women, that need to change? Rather than forcing little boys sit in a circle in kindergarten and talk about their feelings, boys don’t do that, why not make little girls elementary school start taking testosterone injections so they develop more male traits? If women want to be more like men make little girls change, not the little boys. Men are generally happy the way they are, if women aren’t happy with the life nature determined for them they need to change, not men. Testosterone is generally available to women that want to be more like men and they should use it because men are happy they are. Don’t expect most men to be attracted to the new maleized women because real men like women the way nature made them. God made women warm and nurturing and beautiful to attract men to support and protect and to make them mothers. Men are happy with that role and if some women don’t like it they can always start testosterone treatment. Men bon’t need to change, we’re happy.
Society may have a problem with some men using their position for sex, which we have laws to protect victims, but it is not assult when a woman uses sex to further their careers. It seems to me a lot of women have been willing to enter into that arrangement. If all the women in the entertainment industry would file rape charges the problen woulden’t exist, is they stayed silent to further their careers then they are as guilty as the men. They traded sex for their careers. Real men won’t change and real women are generally happy with them, the unhappy women should look for some testosterone.

Sounds like you have some serious issues with women. I suggest that you seek professional help right away

I have no serious issues with women. I’ve been married to my high school sweetheart for 51yrs and raised a son and a daughter that is strong and successful. The only thing I have a problem with is women that think we need to prevent toxic masculinity (Whatever that is) by changing the natural traits of boys. Let boys be boys, it comes naturally to them.

Would you say physically/sexually harassing/abusing women comes natural?

I don’t know anyone that thinks abusing women is all right. If you want to know who thinks it’s ok listen to some rap music made by men that were raised by women with no man in the house. The entire rap music empire exists because so many boys grew up with no male figure to teach them right from wrong or punish them when they strayed from accepted behavior.

So, fatherlessness bestows rhythm onto little boys?????

Do you really think rap is about rhythm. Chuck Berry, BBKing, The Four Tops could teach them rhythm, all rap seems to teach is how to abuse your bitch.

 

[ricechickie]

IN WHAT WAYS ARE MEN AND WOMEN CONSISTENTLY DIFFERENT?

Sweetheart... If you don’t have a clue by now... Nothing I tell you will improve your future.

Nice dodge. My future is fine.....sweetie.

But please, educate me like I still have a chance at womanly happiness.

Sounds like it...

You can’t even answer this simple question with an obvious answer.

The answer is obvious. Look between your legs for a glimpse down the rabbit hole. ( I’m being gentlemanly here..

Yes, that is the obvious and consistent difference between men and women.

Now, tell me.....aren’t children born with those obvious physical differences? Why are you insistent that the boy born with a penis needs a father around? The kid’s already got the penis.

 

[ricechickie]

Sounds like you have some serious issues with women. I suggest that you seek professional help right away

I have no serious issues with women. I’ve been married to my high school sweetheart for 51yrs and raised a son and a daughter that is strong and successful. The only thing I have a problem with is women that think we need to prevent toxic masculinity (Whatever that is) by changing the natural traits of boys. Let boys be boys, it comes naturally to them.

Would you say physically/sexually harassing/abusing women comes natural?

I don’t know anyone that thinks abusing women is all right. If you want to know who thinks it’s ok listen to some rap music made by men that were raised by women with no man in the house. The entire rap music empire exists because so many boys grew up with no male figure to teach them right from wrong or punish them when they strayed from accepted behavior.

So, fatherlessness bestows rhythm onto little boys?????

Do you really think rap is about rhythm. Chuck Berry, BBKing, The Four Tops could teach them rhythm, all rap seems to teach is how to abuse your bitch.

I’m no great fan of rap. I do know that not all rap is misogynistic.

 

[Vastator]

Sweetheart... If you don’t have a clue by now... Nothing I tell you will improve your future.

Nice dodge. My future is fine.....sweetie.

But please, educate me like I still have a chance at womanly happiness.

Sounds like it...

You can’t even answer this simple question with an obvious answer.

The answer is obvious. Look between your legs for a glimpse down the rabbit hole. ( I’m being gentlemanly here..

Yes, that is the obvious and consistent difference between men and women.

Now, tell me.....aren’t children born with those obvious physical differences? Why are you insistent that the boy born with a penis needs a father around? The kid’s already got the penis.

So a man can teach him when to use it. Who to use it on. And what the consequences of misuse are. From a relevant perspective. Not from someone who “thinks” they know.

 

[Spare_change]

Femenization? What do you think happens when men are raised by women, with no father around to show them what it means to be a man?

So, like, boys who only have a mother, or two mothers never are exposed to men?

They aren’t groomed, molded, and tutored by men. Day in, and day out. Sunrise, to sunset. NO! They are not. And almost isn’t close enough. Reality is a bitch.

Groomed, molded and tutored? What does that mean? A boy raised by women is going to have what sort of deficits , exactly? She us the evidence.

Walk thru the ghetto.

It’s “through”.

Sincerely,

Former Ghetto Dweller

Actually, in an informal setting, it can be "thru".

(addendum) I notice you say you are a former ghetto dweller. Do you agree, or disagree, it is the dissolution of the nuclear family, and the abdication of male responsibility, that has fed the further degradation of society in the ghetto?