War on The Rich: Dumbest Idea in History of Man

[Boss]

I think the OP fails to realize that corporations and Wall Street own and are part of the government. In fact the 'war on the rich' is a fallacy, as they own the politicians in both parties, hold the vast majority of political power, and only give token gestures to the plebs so they don't revolt. They profit more from the status quo, which is why they want to keep it, though the next step is making it so only the poor and middle class pay tax, like in the good old days of serfdom.

Wow... Coulda sworn the 13th and 14th Amendment got rid of people owning people.

 

[hipeter924]

I think the OP fails to realize that corporations and Wall Street own and are part of the government. In fact the 'war on the rich' is a fallacy, as they own the politicians in both parties, hold the vast majority of political power, and only give token gestures to the plebs so they don't revolt. They profit more from the status quo, which is why they want to keep it, though the next step is making it so only the poor and middle class pay tax, like in the good old days of serfdom.

Wow... Coulda sworn the 13th and 14th Amendment got rid of people owning people.

Looked at student loan debt lately, or the national debt.

 

[Discombobulated]

Had President Romney been in charge and implemented exactly the same program you and all the other Republicans would lauded it as a triumph of free market capitalism.

Nuupe! Wrong!

Your so called principles are entirely subject to political ideology.

 

[rightwinger]

Out of every $100, here is how wealth is distributed among 100 people

What should we do?

Take from the rich and give to the poor? That is what conservatives say will happen. But that is unconstitutional and only provides a short term fix

What we need to do is end government fiscal policies that only help the rich and enact policies that help working Americans

The wealthy:
Tax capital gains at the same rate as income
Pay Social Security on all income
45% tax rate on income over $1 million
Cut out tax loopholes and minimize deductions

Working Americans:
Increase minimum wage and index to inflation
Require employers who don't pay a living wage (workers need government assistance) to contribute more to housing assistance, food stamps and other social programs
Subsidize more of healthcare and put in catastrophic limits
Subsidize education based on performance

That's the second time this graph has been posted along with the same propaganda.

Stop spamming the thread.

It is an accurate representation of where the wealth is

Simple question for conservatives:

In looking for new revenue why do you go after the guy who has 19 cents instead of the guy who has $34.60?

I don't go after anyone, I want to repeal income tax, remember?

The bottom line is, the guy who has $34.60 is not earning an income we can tax.

Wow... the wealthy people have the wealth... that's so surprising to me... you see, I figured the wealth would be with the people living under the overpass in cardboard boxes. Just seems like that's where the wealth should be and not with the WEALTHY! How dare the wealthy people have the wealth! The poor people should have the wealth, they need it the most, right? And wealthy people should have to be poor, they don't need anything.

Have they checked you for mental retardation? Just curious?

Again, my question to you (you fucking retard) is why are we continuing policies that only contribute to the existing disparity in wealth? Even a fucking retard such as yourself with exceptionally poor personal hygeine should be able to respond to a fucking easy question. Are you that dimwitted? Answer the question you fucking moron!

<Aren't threads so much more fun when we get to insult each other?>

 

[Discombobulated]

I think the OP fails to realize that corporations and Wall Street own and are part of the government. In fact the 'war on the rich' is a fallacy, as they own the politicians in both parties, hold the vast majority of political power, and only give token gestures to the plebs so they don't revolt. They profit more from the status quo, which is why they want to keep it, though the next step is making it so only the poor and middle class pay tax, like in the good old days of serfdom.

As if you could separate the interests of the government from rich folks. All one in the same.

 

[JoeNormal]

Dumbest idea in the history of man! No question about that!

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

 

[jillian]

even assuming wealth were not finite, what is finite is opportunity and the distribution of that wealth, vis a vis salaries, etc., that is available to workers.

and the more the top 1% is pandered to, the more they drive down wages to increase their own share.

there... i hope that helps.

income i snot wealth.

the only wealth that matters is your wealth (net worth) and none of you have been able to tell me what rich greedy guy is stopping you from increasing your wealth. Or how one person's increase in net worth decreases yours.

Poorly paid people dealing with rising costs coupled with the lower buying power of what dollars they actually make have to liquidate their wealth to keep paying the bills that keep rising, leaving them bereft of that wealth. And it isn't "one person," it is a collusion, a cabal of "people" that (rather than who, no matter what the latest, rather than greatest, Supremes decided on the subject of personhood) keep driving costs higher and paychecks lower. This isn't rocket science, and you know damned well what you're supporting, and why.

So who is stopping any "poorly paid people" from acquiring a better skill set so as to earn more?

Or are you one that subscribes to the ridiculousness that no one should ever work more than 37.5 hours a week, never miss a vacation day or leave a sick day untaken and yet expect to get ahead?

Pubs who cut funding for training, make college loans more expensive duh. Make us the only modern country without at least a month paid vacation after a year, paid parental leave, good cheap day care, and tax the poor as much or more %wise as the rich, chump of the greedy idiot rich.

Funny we had none of those things decades ago yet all of a sudden it's a problem?

If you want training go get it yourself. Why does the government have to pay for it?

And college isn't the answer for everyone. Many people would be better off learning a trade rather than getting some bullshit BA liberal arts degree.

It all boils down to what you will do for yourself and I can see that you don't really think people should do for themselves and that government should do it for them.

The resistance I see to getting a second job here or maybe going to school part time so as to avoid debt is all I need to know that you people aren't willing to sacrifice anything to get ahead

those things have not been a problem since the new deal. since reagan, the right has dodge nothing but undermine workers, force wages down and outsource our jobs in order to increase already-bloated profit margins.

so no. it wasn't a problem because it was contained.

 

[jillian]

Dumbest idea in the history of man! No question about that!

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

you mean the lie that there is a war on the rich, right?

 

[jillian]

to add to that Skull Pilot, you can't have people gaining wealth when their opportunities become limited by policies designed only to help that top 1%.

What policy exactly has stopped you from making more or adding to your net worth?

we are not talking about MY earnings or net wroth. I am fine. unlike you, I have a societal interest in assuring a strong middle class.

and you know very well what rightwing policies have destroyed the middle class and left people with the same wages they earned basically thirty years ago, while goods cost so much more.

I don't know any right wing anything.

All I know is for my entire life no one, no policies, no rich guy, no CEO has ever stopped me from earning more, saving more, or anything else i wanted to do to improve my financial position.

I guess I don't see cabals and conspiracies to use as excuses.

The battle lines are pretty much drawn at those who have benefited from the American economic/tax system, and those who have not. A lot of those who have benefited have such a knee-jerk, arrogant, and defensive reaction that there is just no getting through to them.

Those who benefit love to crow about how hard they worked.

If anything THAT is the great American myth.


There are so many variables in to financial success that I laugh when I hear people extolling the virtues of their “hard work”. Yes, hard work is necessary, but it is not the path to goodness and wealth.

Goodness?

showing up is 90% of the game. But you people are more concerned with time off and hand outs than you are with showing up.

And really the people who pay no income tax and get all kinds of refundable tax credits are benefiting from the tax code are they not?

If you people looked for reasons to succeed rather than excuses why you can't the country would be better off.

i have no interest in receiving handouts. you need to stop repeating that lie as a motivation for wanting everyone to have opportunity.

 

[JoeNormal]

The effective rate is acrobatics? Try the real world. And THAT seems to be paid mostly by small business. Keep defending the greedy rich's racket, dingbat dupe.

LOL... The rich don't need me to defend them, they are resoundingly kicking your ass without any help from me. I'm just sitting here on the sidelines watching them constantly outsmart you at every turn while you continue to shoot yourself in the foot, blow holes in your own ship and kill off your own citizenry in a war you can't win against an enemy you'll never defeat. It's amusing to me.

The people you appear to worship are more sociopathic than smart. Of course, maybe you are too.

 

[JoeNormal]

to add to that Skull Pilot, you can't have people gaining wealth when their opportunities become limited by policies designed only to help that top 1%.

What policy exactly has stopped you from making more or adding to your net worth?

we are not talking about MY earnings or net wroth. I am fine. unlike you, I have a societal interest in assuring a strong middle class.

and you know very well what rightwing policies have destroyed the middle class and left people with the same wages they earned basically thirty years ago, while goods cost so much more.

I don't know any right wing anything.

All I know is for my entire life no one, no policies, no rich guy, no CEO has ever stopped me from earning more, saving more, or anything else i wanted to do to improve my financial position.

I guess I don't see cabals and conspiracies to use as excuses.

The battle lines are pretty much drawn at those who have benefited from the American economic/tax system, and those who have not. A lot of those who have benefited have such a knee-jerk, arrogant, and defensive reaction that there is just no getting through to them.

Those who benefit love to crow about how hard they worked.

If anything THAT is the great American myth.


There are so many variables in to financial success that I laugh when I hear people extolling the virtues of their “hard work”. Yes, hard work is necessary, but it is not the path to goodness and wealth.

Goodness?

showing up is 90% of the game. But you people are more concerned with time off and hand outs than you are with showing up.

And really the people who pay no income tax and get all kinds of refundable tax credits are benefiting from the tax code are they not?

If you people looked for reasons to succeed rather than excuses why you can't the country would be better off.

It appears to me that you've never ever been a care taker. Not for kids, not for parents, not for anyone. It tends to put a dent in the time and energy it takes to 'pull yourself up by your own bootstraps'.

 

[JoeNormal]

Dumbest idea in the history of man! No question about that!

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

you mean the lie that there is a war on the rich, right?

Right. I was just applying it to Boss' repeating 'dumbest idea' meme.

 

[The Rabbi]

I know, it must be the single payer H/C he pushed through and the tax burden on the 'job creators' right?


Oh wait, we don't have single payer, we have one modeled after right wing Heritage/Romney and taxes on the 'job creators' are at the lowest SUSTAINED level for 80+ years. Wow he's a horrible socialist/Marxist

The ONLY reason you don't have single payer is there weren't enough Socialist Democrats willing to vote for it. Republicans didn't vote for ANY of Obamacare.

Except when it was Romneycare.

Romneycare was a state program in the most liberal state of the country. I don't think Congressional Republicans had a vote there.

Had President Romney been in charge and implemented exactly the same program you and all the other Republicans would lauded it as a triumph of free market capitalism.

Uh, given Republicans criticized Romney for Romneycare that's an unfounded statement. Actually an outright lie.

 

[The Rabbi]

What policy exactly has stopped you from making more or adding to your net worth?

we are not talking about MY earnings or net wroth. I am fine. unlike you, I have a societal interest in assuring a strong middle class.

and you know very well what rightwing policies have destroyed the middle class and left people with the same wages they earned basically thirty years ago, while goods cost so much more.

I don't know any right wing anything.

All I know is for my entire life no one, no policies, no rich guy, no CEO has ever stopped me from earning more, saving more, or anything else i wanted to do to improve my financial position.

I guess I don't see cabals and conspiracies to use as excuses.

The battle lines are pretty much drawn at those who have benefited from the American economic/tax system, and those who have not. A lot of those who have benefited have such a knee-jerk, arrogant, and defensive reaction that there is just no getting through to them.

Those who benefit love to crow about how hard they worked.

If anything THAT is the great American myth.


There are so many variables in to financial success that I laugh when I hear people extolling the virtues of their “hard work”. Yes, hard work is necessary, but it is not the path to goodness and wealth.

Goodness?

showing up is 90% of the game. But you people are more concerned with time off and hand outs than you are with showing up.

And really the people who pay no income tax and get all kinds of refundable tax credits are benefiting from the tax code are they not?

If you people looked for reasons to succeed rather than excuses why you can't the country would be better off.

It appears to me that you've never ever been a care taker. Not for kids, not for parents, not for anyone. It tends to put a dent in the time and energy it takes to 'pull yourself up by your own bootstraps'.

It appears to me you are a bedwetter who is talking out of his ass.

 

[JoeNormal]

we are not talking about MY earnings or net wroth. I am fine. unlike you, I have a societal interest in assuring a strong middle class.

and you know very well what rightwing policies have destroyed the middle class and left people with the same wages they earned basically thirty years ago, while goods cost so much more.

I don't know any right wing anything.

All I know is for my entire life no one, no policies, no rich guy, no CEO has ever stopped me from earning more, saving more, or anything else i wanted to do to improve my financial position.

I guess I don't see cabals and conspiracies to use as excuses.

The battle lines are pretty much drawn at those who have benefited from the American economic/tax system, and those who have not. A lot of those who have benefited have such a knee-jerk, arrogant, and defensive reaction that there is just no getting through to them.

Those who benefit love to crow about how hard they worked.

If anything THAT is the great American myth.


There are so many variables in to financial success that I laugh when I hear people extolling the virtues of their “hard work”. Yes, hard work is necessary, but it is not the path to goodness and wealth.

Goodness?

showing up is 90% of the game. But you people are more concerned with time off and hand outs than you are with showing up.

And really the people who pay no income tax and get all kinds of refundable tax credits are benefiting from the tax code are they not?

If you people looked for reasons to succeed rather than excuses why you can't the country would be better off.

It appears to me that you've never ever been a care taker. Not for kids, not for parents, not for anyone. It tends to put a dent in the time and energy it takes to 'pull yourself up by your own bootstraps'.

It appears to me you are a bedwetter who is talking out of his ass.

It appears to me you're a piece of shit.

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't know any right wing anything.

All I know is for my entire life no one, no policies, no rich guy, no CEO has ever stopped me from earning more, saving more, or anything else i wanted to do to improve my financial position.

I guess I don't see cabals and conspiracies to use as excuses.

The battle lines are pretty much drawn at those who have benefited from the American economic/tax system, and those who have not. A lot of those who have benefited have such a knee-jerk, arrogant, and defensive reaction that there is just no getting through to them.

Those who benefit love to crow about how hard they worked.

If anything THAT is the great American myth.


There are so many variables in to financial success that I laugh when I hear people extolling the virtues of their “hard work”. Yes, hard work is necessary, but it is not the path to goodness and wealth.

Goodness?

showing up is 90% of the game. But you people are more concerned with time off and hand outs than you are with showing up.

And really the people who pay no income tax and get all kinds of refundable tax credits are benefiting from the tax code are they not?

If you people looked for reasons to succeed rather than excuses why you can't the country would be better off.

It appears to me that you've never ever been a care taker. Not for kids, not for parents, not for anyone. It tends to put a dent in the time and energy it takes to 'pull yourself up by your own bootstraps'.

It appears to me you are a bedwetter who is talking out of his ass.

It appears to me you're a piece of shit.

That's how you perceive anyone who calls you on your bullshit. You don't know Skull from a hole in the wall but you're willing to make all sorts of judgments based on literally nothing.

 

[JoeNormal]

The battle lines are pretty much drawn at those who have benefited from the American economic/tax system, and those who have not. A lot of those who have benefited have such a knee-jerk, arrogant, and defensive reaction that there is just no getting through to them.

Those who benefit love to crow about how hard they worked.

If anything THAT is the great American myth.


There are so many variables in to financial success that I laugh when I hear people extolling the virtues of their “hard work”. Yes, hard work is necessary, but it is not the path to goodness and wealth.

Goodness?

showing up is 90% of the game. But you people are more concerned with time off and hand outs than you are with showing up.

And really the people who pay no income tax and get all kinds of refundable tax credits are benefiting from the tax code are they not?

If you people looked for reasons to succeed rather than excuses why you can't the country would be better off.

It appears to me that you've never ever been a care taker. Not for kids, not for parents, not for anyone. It tends to put a dent in the time and energy it takes to 'pull yourself up by your own bootstraps'.

It appears to me you are a bedwetter who is talking out of his ass.

It appears to me you're a piece of shit.

That's how you perceive anyone who calls you on your bullshit. You don't know Skull from a hole in the wall but you're willing to make all sorts of judgments based on literally nothing.

I know he doesn't have kids. And from his attitude, I can guess the rest.

So tell me, what have YOU ever done for anyone else?

 

[The Rabbi]

Goodness?

showing up is 90% of the game. But you people are more concerned with time off and hand outs than you are with showing up.

And really the people who pay no income tax and get all kinds of refundable tax credits are benefiting from the tax code are they not?

If you people looked for reasons to succeed rather than excuses why you can't the country would be better off.

It appears to me that you've never ever been a care taker. Not for kids, not for parents, not for anyone. It tends to put a dent in the time and energy it takes to 'pull yourself up by your own bootstraps'.

It appears to me you are a bedwetter who is talking out of his ass.

It appears to me you're a piece of shit.

That's how you perceive anyone who calls you on your bullshit. You don't know Skull from a hole in the wall but you're willing to make all sorts of judgments based on literally nothing.

I know he doesn't have kids. And from his attitude, I can guess the rest.

So tell me, what have YOU ever done for anyone else?

You dont know jack shit about him or me. The fact you want to personalize this discussion tells me you're losing badly.

 

[rightwinger]

How is readjusting the tax code so that it no longer favors the rich, a "war on the rich"?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I don't mutter, if things keep getting worse there will be a revolution, it is the way humans do things, if the rich acted as openly hostile to the rabble as you do it would have already happened. The french aristocracy felt secure enough to rub people's faces in the poverty that they caused and look what happened to them.

The French Aristocracy didn't have a constitution and free republic. Yes... humans often do boneheaded things, and that would certainly qualify. But hey... If your heart is set on being slaughtered in short order, I say you should go for it! Rich people can afford lots of weapons and ammo, so it's not going to be a cake walk.

In fact, I think that might be the best idea you've come up with yet! That would give us ample reason to wipe you off the face of the earth and restore America to glory again.

Now you are just being silly. No one wants a revolution but it's what will happen if this situation continues unabated. Amazing you seem to think that killing people is better than paying them a decent wage or allowing the economy to work for all.

Hell I thought all the middle class and lower class gun owners were "prepping" for the revolution against the plutocrats. Evidently Boss thinks they are all so well armed because they are going to protect the ultra rich from the rest of us.

!% of 300 million is 3 million ultra rich vs the 297 million of the rest of us. I don't care if the ultra rich have a million man army, I like the odds of the masses.

So what I hear is you being in favor of arming little kids and sending them off to fight "the rich"

Dude the "little kids" are already armed. Don't you ever read about how they shoot themselves?
And are you gonna say a 15 yo is a "little kid"?.

But don't worry, if you won't fight for yourself the rest of the nation will leave you along. YOU sure as fuck do not qualify as the "ultra rich".

Hey idiot you included children in your 297 million against 3 million scenario not me.

And you also included me in your 297 million "army" and that ain't gonna happen.

Like I said I don't worry about you sheep starting a revolution because you'd all be worried about how much paid time off you'd be getting and you wouldn't want to fight for more than 37.5 hours a week. Gotta make it home in time to watch reruns on the idiot box or play in your over 40 men's softball league after all