Was slavery condemned in the Bible?

[anynameyouwish]

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

Do you approve of killing gays?

Not my job. Can you not read what this thread is about?

so you refuse to answer on the grounds that you don't want people to know the truth about you?

 

[anynameyouwish]

Anybody who is too retarded to understand Leviticus 20:13 is unworthy of being treated as a person capable of having Biblical discussions.

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

Anybody who is too retarded to understand Leviticus 20:13 is unworthy of being treated as a person capable of having Biblical discussions.

anyone who agrees with god that gays should be killed isn't worth talking to.

anyone who believes gays should be executed because their POS god told them to is a POS.

What would that make you? Illiterate for one thing. The topic is slavery.

"What would that make you? Illiterate for one thing. The topic is slavery. "


the OP is about slavery BUT....

vasuderatorrent posted;

" Anybody who is too retarded to understand Leviticus 20:13 is unworthy of being treated as a person capable of having Biblical discussions.

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

Anybody who is too retarded to understand Leviticus 20:13 is unworthy of being treated as a person capable of having Biblical discussions."


To which you replied;

"There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me. "


nothing about slavery in either of those two posts.

just killing gays.

So I asked if you approved...

do you?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

Do you approve of killing gays?

Not my job. Can you not read what this thread is about?

so you refuse to answer on the grounds that you don't want people to know the truth about you?

First off, I have already posted it 20 or more times that this is a thread about slavery. Second, due to personal reasons posted, I can't be objective at the moment. See post #172

I don't like answering questions like that when my head is in a different place regarding death. If you don't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[irosie91]

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

It means if a male has sexual intercourse with another male then he should be killed by some method. The methodology is not specified. Some people in African/Middle Eastern countries are still sentenced to death for male on male sexuality.

It is extremely realistic for an ancient culture from that same geographic area to have those same customs. I am pretty sure they killed at least some male homosexuals in ancient Israel. For the life of me I cannot understand why any sane literate human would think otherwise. It makes me want to use the liar liar pants on fire argument. This verse is abundantly clear both from a literary and historical perspective.

I may be wrong----but somewhere along the line you seem to have STYLED
yourself a "scholar of the bible" -----<<<<<watta joke

 

[ding]

Do you have any evidence that the Bible is not the inspired Word of God OR is that your personal belief?

MY belief is besides the point, but yes that is my belief is that it's indeed NOT the inspired word of God.

The point is that it's a morally relativistic God. The caveman way of saying it is: "slavery ok then slavery bad"

I'm not gunna unga bunga, though.

And Rosie as well as Merri are making my point for me.

"it's because of the times"



DUH! It's because of the times. That IS, in fact, the entire point.

There is a huge difference between God's perfect will, and what God allows to happen in this fallen world. Like most unbelievers, you make the mistake of conflating the two. There are moral laws or principles that are timeless, that never change. But instead of learning about those, you instead focus on temporal laws or customs that only exist because this is a fallen world. And then you falsely claim (or imply) that those temporal laws or customs is all there is. That is either ignorant or dishonest.

No, the Laws of which I speak that condoned slavery are God commanded, according to the fairy tale. If hes speaking Laws that are not his will, they become his will - thats how that boils down.

No, God allows many things to happen, that does not mean God WANTS those things, obviously. That's why it's important to understand the difference between God's perfect will and what God allows to take place in this temporary age we're currently in.

You acted as if what God allows to take place was all there is. That is simply ignorant. If you want to know what God WANTS, listen to what Jesus said: Love your neighbor Treat others the way you want to be treated. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, do justice, love mercy.... and He also said, "I have come to set the captives free." THAT is God's perfect will.

God WILLED that slavery continue visa vie making Laws regarding how to engage in Slave holding and behave as a slave.

God willed slavery to continue? Really?

 

[ding]

Hahaha, you don't get this, at all. Don't be a brick wall by repeatedly ignoring God's perfect will (which is how it is in heaven, and in world to come) and what God allows to take place in this temporary fallen world. God WILL bring about that perfect world you long for. It is prophesied, and it will happen. But if you really want God's perfect will here and now, then I'm sure here are lots of things you'll have to change about yourself.

Im not interested in propaganda. Im just pointing out that codifying how to treat slaves is a condoning OF slavery, and theres no two ways about that.

You're not interested in anything, it appears, but your misguided preconceived ideas, that is obvious. You even ignored Jesus' words completely (who is God in the flesh) which stated how he feels about captivity. You don't care.

I dont disagree with what Jesus did LATER in time, AFTER God codified slavery prior.

You seem to wanna sweep under the rug that that whole Mosaic Law thing actually happened.

Sorry. Its not due to some magical lack of understanding...merely reading.

I was just correcting what you posted earlier, when you implied that the temporal laws and customs were all there is, which is blatantly wrong. If you want to talk about God's perfect will and what God actually wants, then look to heaven. Listen to the words of Jesus. Love, peace, joy, kindness, non-violence, etc.

Also, all of this is funny if you're an atheist, because according to your own worldview, morality is subjective. So you have no leg to stand on, unless you believe morality is objective. And if that's what you believe (as a small number of atheists do) you still have a problem because you have no way to account for it. Objective truths are not man-made. So which is it?

I didnt imply that, you made a flawed inference and youre still ranting about it.

Also, Im agnostic and no, I dont believe morality is subjective. Thats a whole nother topic, but Im glad you find it funny! Laughter is the best medicine!

You used to argue morality was subjective.

 

[ding]

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

It means if a male has sexual intercourse with another male then he should be killed by some method. The methodology is not specified. Some people in African/Middle Eastern countries are still sentenced to death for male on male sexuality.

It is extremely realistic for an ancient culture from that same geographic area to have those same customs. I am pretty sure they killed at least some male homosexuals in ancient Israel. For the life of me I cannot understand why any sane literate human would think otherwise. It makes me want to use the liar liar pants on fire argument. This verse is abundantly clear both from a literary and historical perspective.

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

 

[ding]

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

It means if a male has sexual intercourse with another male then he should be killed by some method. The methodology is not specified. Some people in African/Middle Eastern countries are still sentenced to death for male on male sexuality.

It is extremely realistic for an ancient culture from that same geographic area to have those same customs. I am pretty sure they killed at least some male homosexuals in ancient Israel. For the life of me I cannot understand why any sane literate human would think otherwise. It makes me want to use the liar liar pants on fire argument. This verse is abundantly clear both from a literary and historical perspective.

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

Cock smoking wasn't illegal back then, the greeks were doing worse to children.

Free will is a bitch.

 

[anynameyouwish]

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

It means if a male has sexual intercourse with another male then he should be killed by some method. The methodology is not specified. Some people in African/Middle Eastern countries are still sentenced to death for male on male sexuality.

It is extremely realistic for an ancient culture from that same geographic area to have those same customs. I am pretty sure they killed at least some male homosexuals in ancient Israel. For the life of me I cannot understand why any sane literate human would think otherwise. It makes me want to use the liar liar pants on fire argument. This verse is abundantly clear both from a literary and historical perspective.

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

Cock smoking wasn't illegal back then, the greeks were doing worse to children.

From what I have read (or seen in documentaries?) the greeks and romans often engaged in M/M sexual relations and thought nothing of it.

 

[admonit]

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

It means if a male has sexual intercourse with another male then he should be killed by some method. The methodology is not specified. Some people in African/Middle Eastern countries are still sentenced to death for male on male sexuality.

It is extremely realistic for an ancient culture from that same geographic area to have those same customs. I am pretty sure they killed at least some male homosexuals in ancient Israel. For the life of me I cannot understand why any sane literate human would think otherwise. It makes me want to use the liar liar pants on fire argument. This verse is abundantly clear both from a literary and historical perspective.

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

Cock smoking wasn't illegal back then, the greeks were doing worse to children.

From what I have read (or seen in documentaries?) the greeks and romans often engaged in M/M sexual relations and thought nothing of it.

They also used slaves and thought nothing of it.

 

[irosie91]

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is guiltiness upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NASB

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Leviticus 20:13 The Message

If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 MEV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV


If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 NKJV

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

It means if a male has sexual intercourse with another male then he should be killed by some method. The methodology is not specified. Some people in African/Middle Eastern countries are still sentenced to death for male on male sexuality.

It is extremely realistic for an ancient culture from that same geographic area to have those same customs. I am pretty sure they killed at least some male homosexuals in ancient Israel. For the life of me I cannot understand why any sane literate human would think otherwise. It makes me want to use the liar liar pants on fire argument. This verse is abundantly clear both from a literary and historical perspective.

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

Cock smoking wasn't illegal back then, the greeks were doing worse to children.

an interesting worthless factoid. The greeks has nothing against male on male
or male on child ANYTHING-----but somehow turned up their little greek noses at
female on female "love"------I do not think they criminalized it however------probably just thought it a waste of girl ass

 

[irosie91]

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

It means if a male has sexual intercourse with another male then he should be killed by some method. The methodology is not specified. Some people in African/Middle Eastern countries are still sentenced to death for male on male sexuality.

It is extremely realistic for an ancient culture from that same geographic area to have those same customs. I am pretty sure they killed at least some male homosexuals in ancient Israel. For the life of me I cannot understand why any sane literate human would think otherwise. It makes me want to use the liar liar pants on fire argument. This verse is abundantly clear both from a literary and historical perspective.

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

Cock smoking wasn't illegal back then, the greeks were doing worse to children.

Free will is a bitch.

God set the pace by raping Mary.

taz-----be not vulgar

 

[irosie91]

what they did and did not do in VERY ANCIENT times-----ie before the Babylonian captivity------uhm ----like before the 6th century BC----is kinda conjectural-----for what
they DID----one needs to play Mishnah and Talmud. -----seems they did NOT execute people for private diddling between adults diddlers

 

[irosie91]

There are illiterate people who keep arguing that those verses don't say what they say. What is surely be put to death? Seems simple enough to me.

It means if a male has sexual intercourse with another male then he should be killed by some method. The methodology is not specified. Some people in African/Middle Eastern countries are still sentenced to death for male on male sexuality.

It is extremely realistic for an ancient culture from that same geographic area to have those same customs. I am pretty sure they killed at least some male homosexuals in ancient Israel. For the life of me I cannot understand why any sane literate human would think otherwise. It makes me want to use the liar liar pants on fire argument. This verse is abundantly clear both from a literary and historical perspective.

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

Cock smoking wasn't illegal back then, the greeks were doing worse to children.

From what I have read (or seen in documentaries?) the greeks and romans often engaged in M/M sexual relations and thought nothing of it.

They also used slaves and thought nothing of it.

greek slavery was UTTERLY chattel-----one could kill a slave and eat it-----or feed it to the pigs and then eat the pigs. ----roman slavery was not much better----HOWEVER ----there was some social mobility for SPECIAL talented slaves----
and artful "ladies" in both.

 

[irosie91]

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

Cock smoking wasn't illegal back then, the greeks were doing worse to children.

Free will is a bitch.

God set the pace by raping Mary.

taz-----be not vulgar

God wanted to get his small dick in there before Joseph busted her up with his big shlong.

I wish I had not PROVOKED your------poetic talents

 

[OldLady]

IIRC, the first slaveholder in the Bible was Abraham. If I'm not right, someone will correct me.

God put his own people into slavery for disobedience and he allowed his people to subdue other nations and take slaves. So, when, if ever, did it become a sin?

Slavery is not a sin. Kidnapping is a sin worthy of death. In the later years of American slavery, kidnapping was a common method of obtaining slaves. The victors of war are morally justified by Biblical standards to purchase and sell slaves. However, slavery is illegal in every single nation in the world so this debate is stupid.

It is widely accepted in the world today that slavery is wrong. The people owning slaves today are likely committing crimes in the nation where they dwell.

Even if slavery was wrong it doesn't matter. Most of the Biblical references to slavery is about how to act as a slave and how to act as a master. That's because some people were slaves and some were slave owners. It was a volatile type of human relationship. It probably needed to be addressed at that time.

I have found nothing that suggests the practice is immoral or "wrong." We still maintain the master / servant relationship.

The haves automatically have credibility. If I try to endorse a product, who are you going to believe... me or Alex Trebeck? BTW, whole life is a rip-off FWIW.

The haves work the have nots for a mere pittance; get to dictate to the have nots and the only substantive difference is that the have nots can go home at night. We don't have any Rights, but we do have equal Rights with all, except those that we don't even know because the corporate bureaucracy hides the slave masters.

The corporate bureaucracy can't sell your children or legally rape your wife or forbid you to learn how to read or forbid you to vote, though. You have the freedom to try and become a rich corporate bureaucrat yourself. So cheer up.

 

[OldLady]

Owning a human is never okay. It's never BEEN okay. Nevermind you're condoned in beating them in certain ways, owning different types for different amounts of years, and able to sell your newborns into it.

That the Bible lays down ground-rules for their human ownership is a direct contradiction to Moral absolutism. It's Religious moral relativism. Directly.

This focus is too narrow. First, Biblical slavery (versus Nineteenth Century Slavery) came about as solutions to security and indebtedness. What to do with the conquered people--kill them outright, drive them into the desert for a slow death, put them to work for their conquerors. Second, put someone in prison until the debt was paid off, or allow the debtor to offer himself as collateral until the debt was repaid? In this we see that Biblical slavery had--in its roots--good intentions. And, as with anything else that starts with good intentions, not so ethical people found ways to abuse it. Slavery became an economic reality in Biblical times. Yet, because of other Biblical laws by the time of Jesus, slaves in the Jewish culture had become rare indeed.

Compare it to abortion in our own time. There are those of us who are repulsed by the idea at all, yet at the same time we support laws that prohibit abortion from occurring say late in the pregnancy. This is not telling people how to get an abortion (just like the Biblical law was not telling people to beat their slaves) but an attempt to reign in abuse that was already occurring in society.

Clearly, slavery was already embedded in society by the time the Bible was written. How does God deal with what is? We can see that other of God's laws ate away at owning other people. It did not happen overnight, yet it did happen...through the Laws of God.

I'm going to take the focus off of the equivocation going on over what types of slavery there were and why - because there is a LOT of scholarship on that that firmly DISAGREES with what you had just written - - indebted slavery DID exist in the Ancient nearest but it was NOT the only kind - and it's NOT, also, the only kind the Bible is referring to and it CERTAINLY doesn't dismiss the allowance of selling CHILDREN into servitude...

Let's ignore all of that for a few moments and focus on some finer point here, that seems to be being missed:

The point is, is that if the Old Testament Slavery Laws were the inspired words of God - this eliminates any excuse whatsoever for condoning its occurrence and it also entails Religious Moral Relativism, as opposed to Objective Morality as grounded in said God's nature.

THAT'S the point, and it doesn't even need to be argued the varying degrees of severity of owning human slaves. Those things are an aside, but can in-fact, be argued.

I posted the video of a PhD in Ancient Near Eastern Culture who summarizes what's going on in regards to that aside. Slavery, yes in that form, was hideous. No two ways about it.

G.T., the Bible is full of books that aren't "the inspired words of God." They're lists of begats and stories from ancient history and love poetry and letters written by disciples, etc. etc.
The "inspired words of God," like the 10 commandments and the instructions on building the Temple in Jerusalem, and the promise to Moses that the people would possess Canaan...those are clearly stated as words of God.
A lot of the Bible is describing their world at the time, and to expect individual human rights to be championed would be an anachronism.

 

[OldLady]

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

Cock smoking wasn't illegal back then, the greeks were doing worse to children.

Free will is a bitch.

God set the pace by raping Mary.

taz-----be not vulgar

God wanted to get his small dick in there before Joseph busted her up with his big shlong.

You are so going to hell for that.

 

[G.T.]

Owning a human is never okay. It's never BEEN okay. Nevermind you're condoned in beating them in certain ways, owning different types for different amounts of years, and able to sell your newborns into it.

That the Bible lays down ground-rules for their human ownership is a direct contradiction to Moral absolutism. It's Religious moral relativism. Directly.

This focus is too narrow. First, Biblical slavery (versus Nineteenth Century Slavery) came about as solutions to security and indebtedness. What to do with the conquered people--kill them outright, drive them into the desert for a slow death, put them to work for their conquerors. Second, put someone in prison until the debt was paid off, or allow the debtor to offer himself as collateral until the debt was repaid? In this we see that Biblical slavery had--in its roots--good intentions. And, as with anything else that starts with good intentions, not so ethical people found ways to abuse it. Slavery became an economic reality in Biblical times. Yet, because of other Biblical laws by the time of Jesus, slaves in the Jewish culture had become rare indeed.

Compare it to abortion in our own time. There are those of us who are repulsed by the idea at all, yet at the same time we support laws that prohibit abortion from occurring say late in the pregnancy. This is not telling people how to get an abortion (just like the Biblical law was not telling people to beat their slaves) but an attempt to reign in abuse that was already occurring in society.

Clearly, slavery was already embedded in society by the time the Bible was written. How does God deal with what is? We can see that other of God's laws ate away at owning other people. It did not happen overnight, yet it did happen...through the Laws of God.

I'm going to take the focus off of the equivocation going on over what types of slavery there were and why - because there is a LOT of scholarship on that that firmly DISAGREES with what you had just written - - indebted slavery DID exist in the Ancient nearest but it was NOT the only kind - and it's NOT, also, the only kind the Bible is referring to and it CERTAINLY doesn't dismiss the allowance of selling CHILDREN into servitude...

Let's ignore all of that for a few moments and focus on some finer point here, that seems to be being missed:

The point is, is that if the Old Testament Slavery Laws were the inspired words of God - this eliminates any excuse whatsoever for condoning its occurrence and it also entails Religious Moral Relativism, as opposed to Objective Morality as grounded in said God's nature.

THAT'S the point, and it doesn't even need to be argued the varying degrees of severity of owning human slaves. Those things are an aside, but can in-fact, be argued.

I posted the video of a PhD in Ancient Near Eastern Culture who summarizes what's going on in regards to that aside. Slavery, yes in that form, was hideous. No two ways about it.

G.T., the Bible is full of books that aren't "the inspired words of God." They're lists of begats and stories from ancient history and love poetry and letters written by disciples, etc. etc.
The "inspired words of God," like the 10 commandments and the instructions on building the Temple in Jerusalem, and the promise to Moses that the people would possess Canaan...those are clearly stated as words of God.
A lot of the Bible is describing their world at the time, and to expect individual human rights to be championed would be an anachronism.

I was never confused about that, but thank ya.

It's irrelevant to this topic, too...since Levitical Law is said to be the Law given BY GOD, to Moses.

 

[G.T.]

Probably because they didn’t actually do it.

Cock smoking wasn't illegal back then, the greeks were doing worse to children.

Free will is a bitch.

God set the pace by raping Mary.

taz-----be not vulgar

God wanted to get his small dick in there before Joseph busted her up with his big shlong.

Mary was out partying while Joseph was asleep and then she made up some fantastical story?