We could impeach Obama if we default

[Montecresto]

Our national debt is as much a national security issue as any. We are now being threatened by China and warned by the EU and IMF. People in debt are subject at some level to their creditors.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know....................they shot Gabby Giffords because she was a Democrat who believed in the people.

Quick question.........................why hasn't any of the tea party been shot at? Especially when they were the ones who shut down the government and have also said that we'd be okay if we passed the debt ceiling?

Both are bad, but the one who was good was shot. Why is this country so backwards?

We should have shot Cruz, Palin, Boehner and McConnell.

How come the bad guys live while the good ones get put in the hospital?

 

[Montecresto]

So your just trying to make a splash this morning?

 

[Geaux4it]

You know....................they shot Gabby Giffords because she was a Democrat who believed in the people.

Quick question.........................why hasn't any of the tea party been shot at? Especially when they were the ones who shut down the government and have also said that we'd be okay if we passed the debt ceiling?

Both are bad, but the one who was good was shot. Why is this country so backwards?

We should have shot Cruz, Palin, Boehner and McConnell.

How come the bad guys live while the good ones get put in the hospital?

Man, you are on a slippery slope here dude..

Calm down before the FEDS pay you a visit...

Just sayin

-Geaux

 

[editec]

I see people (many of whom imagine themselves constitutional scholars when it comes to other issues) are still confused about the constitutional issue called IMPEACHEMENT.

Ya'll still think a crime is necessary for an impeachment to take place.

Apparently many of you think IMPEACHMENT is a criminal process based on the laws of the judiciary system.

It is not.

Impeachment is entirely a political process.

No crime is needed, no guilt needs be proven or assigned.

All that is needed for impeachment is the CONGRESSIONAL WILL TO IMPEACH.

 

[bodecea]

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That would be interesting considering that the Constitution is very clear about what branch of government holds the purse strings.....and which house REALLY holds the purse strings.

the House is more than willing to fund our debt payments...

Oh...then where's the vote?

 

[The Rabbi]

Time for Obama to invoke the 14th amendment and make sure that the American people fully understand why he's doing so.

The4re is no special power that accrues to the president in the 14thA. If Obama directs the Treasury to borrow the money without authorization that is an illegal unconstitutional act. Any funds borrowed are not obligated to be repaid.
They ran this trial balloon previously and even Team Obama couldn't stomach it.
I realize that's a disappointment to you, as you'd really like a Dictatorship in this country. But not yet.

 

[The Rabbi]

I see people (many of whom imagine themselves constitutional scholars when it comes to other issues) are still confused about the constitutional issue called IMPEACHEMENT.

Ya'll still think a crime is necessary for an impeachment to take place.

Apparently many of you think IMPEACHMENT is a criminal process based on the laws of the judiciary system.

It is not.

Impeachment is entirely a political process.

No crime is needed, no guilt needs be proven or assigned.

All that is needed for impeachment is the CONGRESSIONAL WILL TO IMPEACH.

Article II Section 4 of the COnstitution would seem to disagree with you, Mr. Constitutional Scholar.

 

[Katzndogz]

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That would be interesting considering that the Constitution is very clear about what branch of government holds the purse strings.....and which house REALLY holds the purse strings.

So why do you get upset when they want to exercise that power?

I dont see any reason to impeach Obama over this. Bad policy and poor performance are not "high crimes and misdemeanors."
Now, when they get evidence that his campaign ordered the IRS, NSA, and other gov't agencies to suppress GOP votes and target voters for Democratic campagin material, that would rise to the level of impeachable.

Extreme malfeasance of office could be considered a high crime or misdemeanor. If obama deliberately decides not to pay the nation's bills, it would be a criminal act since under the Constitution, the bills have to be paid before anything else.

 

[The Rabbi]

That would be interesting considering that the Constitution is very clear about what branch of government holds the purse strings.....and which house REALLY holds the purse strings.

So why do you get upset when they want to exercise that power?

I dont see any reason to impeach Obama over this. Bad policy and poor performance are not "high crimes and misdemeanors."
Now, when they get evidence that his campaign ordered the IRS, NSA, and other gov't agencies to suppress GOP votes and target voters for Democratic campagin material, that would rise to the level of impeachable.

Extreme malfeasance of office could be considered a high crime or misdemeanor. If obama deliberately decides not to pay the nation's bills, it would be a criminal act since under the Constitution, the bills have to be paid before anything else.

That's a stretch. IMpeachment is for bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors. Simply being incompetent does not rise to that level. I dont doubt Obama has committed impeachable offenses. But this isnt among them. Nor is he responsible for paying bills. The power of the purse is Congress', specifally the House.

 

[Sarah G]

the silver lining......

There's been so much malarkey meted out by the media about the budget C.R., the government shutdown, and the debt ceiling that the average American can easily lose sight of the real issue, which is the federal debt. Even certain honest, trusted members of the media trot out "default" as though it were synonymous with not raising the debt ceiling by Oct. 17.

Actually, default is not paying the interest/principle on what one has borrowed. Current federal revenue is way more than enough to easily pay what we owe on federal notes, bills, and bonds.

If the feds do indeed have enough revenue pouring in to meet their obligations, then actual default would be an act of volition, a decision by the president. The president would have to decide to squander the full faith and credit of the nation. Such an action would be an impeachable offense.


Read more: Articles: Banging the Drum for Default

Do you get that after this debacle, Repubs are done?

 

[Wildman]

Dipshit, you can make a better case for the House Teabastards needing to be impeached, not the president since he hasn't done anything wrong. The House is the stumblingblock, stupid.

Barrack Obama?s Failures

A gallon of regular gasoline the day Obama was inaugurated was $1.79 on average in the U.S. Today that price is $3.59, a 100.6% increase. The number of food stamp recipients has risen since Obama took office from 31,983,716 to 43,200,878, a 35.1% jump. Long term unemployment soared 146.2% during the same 32 month period from 2,600,000 to 6,400,000. Staggering “hope and change” isn’t it?

American citizens living in poverty have risen 9.5% from 39,800,000 to 43,600,000, and the number of unemployed has jumped almost 25% from 11,616,000 to 14,485,000 as of August 31, 2011. The number of unemployed blacks has risen from 12.6% at the end of George Bush’s term to 15.8% today, a 25.4% increase, and finally, our national debt is up 34.4% from 10.627 trillion to 14,278

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut to the credit rating of the United States .

First President to violate the War Powers Act.

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .

First President to defy a Federal Judges court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on shovel-ready jobs and later admit there was no such thing as shovel-ready jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with cr imi nal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President to terminate Americas ability to put a man in space.

First President to encourage racial discrimination and intimidation at polling places.

First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly speak-out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state they are allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (Az, WI, OH, IN)

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 Czars to replace elected officials in his office.

First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office.

First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to coddle American enemies while alienating Americas allies.

First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the U.S. Flag.

First President to go on multiple global apology tours.

First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends, paid for
by the taxpayer.

First President to refuse to wear the U.S. Flag lapel pin.

First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000.00 a year at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat “the Holy Qur’an tells us,” and openly admit “the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.”

Remember that 32 months of Obama White House we the people have accumulated national debt at a rate more than 27 times as fast as during the rest of our nation’s entire history, as the Obama’s plan their next extravagant vacation to the Indonesian Island nation of Bali.

done nothing wrong....., right ??

gimme a fuckin break .

 

[Firstteam]

Wildman, you left out "First President to "knowingly" appoint a self avowed, known communist (Van Jones) to a position in the federal government.

 

[nodoginnafight]

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That would be interesting considering that the Constitution is very clear about what branch of government holds the purse strings.....and which house REALLY holds the purse strings.

the House is more than willing to fund our debt payments...

If several vote and a Supreme Court ruling are all reversed.

Sorry, ain't gonna happen. Nor should it. It would open the door for any disgruntled minority to politically suicide bomb the country in order to allow their minority opnion to prevail.

And default is not impeachable. Or I guess a majority in the House can impeach - or accuse - for whatever they want. But you gonna get a conviction in the Senate on some hyper-partisan B.S.? Not likely.

You aren't even damaging his legacy. Clinton was impeached and he has the second highest exit favorability rating on record.

 

[The Rabbi]

the silver lining......

There's been so much malarkey meted out by the media about the budget C.R., the government shutdown, and the debt ceiling that the average American can easily lose sight of the real issue, which is the federal debt. Even certain honest, trusted members of the media trot out "default" as though it were synonymous with not raising the debt ceiling by Oct. 17.

Actually, default is not paying the interest/principle on what one has borrowed. Current federal revenue is way more than enough to easily pay what we owe on federal notes, bills, and bonds.

If the feds do indeed have enough revenue pouring in to meet their obligations, then actual default would be an act of volition, a decision by the president. The president would have to decide to squander the full faith and credit of the nation. Such an action would be an impeachable offense.


Read more: Articles: Banging the Drum for Default

Do you get that after this debacle, Repubs are done?

Actually all the incumbents are done, on both sides.
But your partisan little brain can't grok that.

 

[nodoginnafight]

the silver lining......

There's been so much malarkey meted out by the media about the budget C.R., the government shutdown, and the debt ceiling that the average American can easily lose sight of the real issue, which is the federal debt. Even certain honest, trusted members of the media trot out "default" as though it were synonymous with not raising the debt ceiling by Oct. 17.

Actually, default is not paying the interest/principle on what one has borrowed. Current federal revenue is way more than enough to easily pay what we owe on federal notes, bills, and bonds.

If the feds do indeed have enough revenue pouring in to meet their obligations, then actual default would be an act of volition, a decision by the president. The president would have to decide to squander the full faith and credit of the nation. Such an action would be an impeachable offense.


Read more: Articles: Banging the Drum for Default

Do you get that after this debacle, Repubs are done?

Without a major overhaul - I don't see Republicans being very competitive.
They've put their dysfunction on center stage.

 

[regent]

More talk by TP Republicans, so why not impeach? They could draw up the charges in two hours and vote tomorrow. This is basically a Republican problem and maybe the only solution for Republicans is to clear their party. The Democrats had to do the same thing asking the southern conservatives to mend their ways or leave and now the Republicans should bite the bullet and make the move.
The problem is where do those Tea Partiers go? A third party is usually a dead-end and if neither the Democratic or Republicans will have them, maybe the TP will have to accept America in this century, warts and all.

 

[bodecea]

the silver lining......

Do you get that after this debacle, Repubs are done?

Actually all the incumbents are done, on both sides.
But your partisan little brain can't grok that.

Sadly...that is a pipe dream.

 

[The Rabbi]

Do you get that after this debacle, Repubs are done?

Actually all the incumbents are done, on both sides.
But your partisan little brain can't grok that.

Sadly...that is a pipe dream.

Remind me what the Congressional approval rating is. That includes both Democrats and Republicans, ya know?

 

[Nyvin]

Not giving in to the demands of bullies is NOT grounds for impeachment