We Defunded PP/Abortions !

[Cecilie1200]

That

Definition of civilised:

Having a highly developed society and culture.

Showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement.

Marked by refinement on taste and manners.

No, those are the ones doing it.

I know what civilized is, moron and killing innocent unborns IS NOT It's immoral.

According to the newest studies it isn't considered immoral so long as it is done soon enough. Before you use that word again, please define it with your own words

Omfg you are a leftist shill....a study doesn't determine what is moral.

That

Definition of civilised:

Having a highly developed society and culture.

Showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement.

Marked by refinement on taste and manners.

No, those are the ones doing it.

I know what civilized is, moron and killing innocent unborns IS NOT It's immoral.

According to the newest studies it isn't considered immoral so long as it is done soon enough. Before you use that word again, please define it with your own words

Omfg you are a leftist shill....a study doesn't determine what is moral.

That's why I asked you to define it. Then when you do, I will evaluate it and decide if I find it a proper definition to be of consequence in all affairs all over the world. Then you will publish it and be a hero who redefined, after all the philosophers, what is truly moral and what is not. Then everyone will believe you when you reason them to understand that abortion is amoral.

You're fucking stupid.

Here's a novel thought all you immoral assholes supporting it pay for your own abortion...an even better idea? Take responsibility and use birth control if you don't want a pregnancy. It's not rocket science

You must remember who you're talking to. To them, preventing pregnancy probably IS as complicated and mysterious as rocket science.

 

[Cecilie1200]

. They got doctors and hospitals for that.. Last I checked women were allowed to go to all nessesary medical facilities in which there are many, but that old murder plantation called Planned Parenthood might no longer be one of them.

You seem very enlightened.

So in your universe, some teen girl would walk into her local ER to inquire about birth control? For gynecologist appointments?

. Why not have a place in the hospital for this as well as at her local Doctor & other medical care facilities ??? Oh that's right, she can't get that abortion at the hospital or those other anti-abortion facilities.. Is that what they are calling abortions these days (birth control) ??? I thought gynecologist had their own women's clinics or practices for women's needs ? Ohhh wait, you're talking about those places that have those working for whom will kill a baby in a heartbeat, and especially if the mother gets scared or brainwashed into doing something stupid in her life or to take what is figured to be an easy way out.

Your complete lack of knowledge of women's health care needs is acknowledged. You ignorant assholes are all about women's health care except you have no idea what it is or what it entails.

But damn we're not smart enough to make our own decisions. Yeah right.

You can still make descions...its just taxpayers won't be paying for it

I'm not an American, I have no need for Planned Parenthood, and I am grateful to live in a country that treats it's women with respect in regard to their reproductive decisions.

And we're all grateful you live there. Now if we could just get you to mind your own fucking business about how we run OUR country, life would be great.

 

[Rustic]

Has anyone ever stopped to consider all of the genius and beauty that may have been destroyed for one's convenience? It seems so wasteful.

Yes, and you could ask the same of the many millions that have died of starvation or disease or neglect, the babies and children that die every day around the world. In our country, the Republicans seem bent on cutting funding for programs that try to help children have a good start, including healthcare and financial assistance for parents. You want to nurture genius and beauty? You have to pay for it. Are you willing?

Planned Parenthood is the bottom of the totem pole, there are much better organizations. That don't leech off the American public and perform baby butchery.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's a LIE.

Planned parenthood does NOT perform abortions with federal tax payer's money. PERIOD.

Since that cannot be proven, I say they do. But if they don't, then the money won't be missed.

it will b missed in the 15 title x, planned parenthood's specifically located to provide health/medical services for poor women in poor neighborhoods with no doctors or other clinics in their neighborhoods.

Title x funding was specific....there are 90 title x clinics specifically to provide medical care for poor women where no other health care facilities or doctors exist in their neighborhoods. Plan parenthood had 15 of the 90 title x grant clinics.

defunding title x was a BIG MISTAKE and very hurtful to the poorest of the poor women, and in the worst of ways....deadly ways....

I did not hear PP was defunded. I just Googled it and there was nothing since Jan. when it was proposed. What happened?

it's sort of much to do about nothing, depending if your state has a PP Clinic that meets the federal criteria to receive a title x grant.... there are only 15 planned p's that qualified and met the Title x's criteria for a grant, there are a total of 90....title x funded clinics throughout the U.S.....75 Other clinics getting title x grants are NOT PP Clinics.

Under Obama, there were rules for title x funds written that in a convoluted way, prevented states who received the funds and determined where the title x funds went, could not hold title x funds from the clinics who also had separate divisions of their businesses that performed abortions.

What this bill did was allow the States with Title x funds, de-fund title x clinics that performed abortions in their separate division.

This does not mean the State govrnment will do so, just that they will be ALLOWED to do so if they want to, and still be able to receive these title x funds...

IF I AM UNDERSTANDING ALL that I just read on it.

Pence casts tie-breaking vote to advance bill that would let states withhold federal funds from Planned Parenthood

I have a feeling our state will not move to defund PP. I do worry for women in the south, though. More and more moves to close clinics and make it harder to access abortion services are happening all over.

Did it ever occur to you that those women you "worry about" have the same right to vote in their states that you do in yours, and if their states withdraw tax funding from Planned Parenthood, it's because those women have *gasp!* chosen something different than you want them to?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Has anyone ever stopped to consider all of the genius and beauty that may have been destroyed for one's convenience? It seems so wasteful.

Imagine what diseases might have been cured

I can't even fathom all the art that was never created, considering how many of our greatest artists, writers, composers, etc. had terrible childhoods and would have been aborted had they been conceived today.

 

[Cecilie1200]

For women who do not consider it infanticide to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, it is definitely an attack on their right to choose what happens to their lives and to the lives of any children they might have. To me, it is more important to think of what will happen to that unwanted child and how it will impact the life of the women who will be forced to bear it and raise it if you folks have your way. Don't argue with me about birth control, adoption, blah blah blah. Of course those are better options if they can be used. And of course, when it comes down to it, a lot of us women would not choose to abort their child. It should be a woman's CHOICE, though. Not yours to make for every woman.

. If it's your choice as a woman, then you pay for it. Uh oh the room just emptied.This way no one else has to partake in your sick thinking in life. P/P was way out of line, and it's about time to roll that sick entitlement funding or thinking back.

You weren't paying for it. You folks are cutting off your nose to spite your face by defunding Planned Parenthood, which prevents many more abortions than all your twisted propaganda ever will.

. Other clinics or organizations can take over those things you speak of, and that aren't linked or connected to abortion.

Wait a few years and see what happens in the areas that close their Planned Parenthoods. You may be right it's no big deal, but I somehow doubt it.

There is no reason why Planned Parenthood should lose federal or state funding because it is providing a LEGAL procedure. Even Gorsuch says abortion is established law at this point. If you think it is infanticide, by all means don't have one. Help women out of a tough spot so they can choose a different path. But all this closing of abortion clinics that is happening in various southern states and now this ability for states to stop funding PP is definitely an attack on women's freedom to choose. You are punishing women for being the one who bears the child. If men were the ones who got pregnant, I have a feeling this would not have been an issue, ever.

Planned Parenthood is only a fraction of places that provide women's care, there are much better places than Planned Parenthood. That don't leech off the American public and provide baby butchery

These leftists rattle on and on about all the "services" they claim Planned Parenthood provides, yet I can and do easily get all the women's health services I need without having ever set foot in a Planned Parenthood clinic.

 

[jknowgood]

Amazing how the war on women endures into 2017

Wouldn't it be war on women and unborn babies?

No. War on women . PP does all kinds of medical care . Abortions were never part of any fed funding .

They don't even do monograms, if it wasn't for abortion. They would be put of business in days.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Amazing how the war on women endures into 2017

Wouldn't it be war on women and unborn babies?

Republicans just voted to spread STD's, cut access to contraceptives (meaning more abortions), and to increase cancer's mortality rate, among other health problems that PP helps with. Well, for 4 years at least until we get a government that does what's best for the nation instead of spreading extremist ideology.

So you insist that PP ended std's, cancer and other health problems?

 

[Rustic]

Any country that says you have a right to kill your children is not civilized. Because civilized countries become so by recognizing a human beings right to life

Civilized societies become so by recognizing that ALL of the citizens are valuable, not just the rich ones, or the ones, in power. Civilized societies take in refugees, educate the children of the poor the same as the children of the rich, they provide health care for ALL of their people, as a right, not a privilege.

Civilized societies have mandated vacation times and other protections for workers who are sick, pregnant or injured. They put their PEOPLE ahead of cheap goods. They don't rail against the social safety net, and they don't feel it necessary to carry a gun everywhere.

In fact, in a civilized society, citizens are not allowed to carry handguns. The US is not and has never been a civilized society. It came close, but the gun nuts and the selfish corporate interests took over in 1980 and the US became an Oligarchy. Trump is solidifying those gains for the 1%.

The rest of you are fucked.

Bed wetter...

 

[Cecilie1200]

. If it's your choice as a woman, then you pay for it. Uh oh the room just emptied.This way no one else has to partake in your sick thinking in life. P/P was way out of line, and it's about time to roll that sick entitlement funding or thinking back.

You weren't paying for it. You folks are cutting off your nose to spite your face by defunding Planned Parenthood, which prevents many more abortions than all your twisted propaganda ever will.

. Other clinics or organizations can take over those things you speak of, and that aren't linked or connected to abortion.

Wait a few years and see what happens in the areas that close their Planned Parenthoods. You may be right it's no big deal, but I somehow doubt it.

There is no reason why Planned Parenthood should lose federal or state funding because it is providing a LEGAL procedure. Even Gorsuch says abortion is established law at this point. If you think it is infanticide, by all means don't have one. Help women out of a tough spot so they can choose a different path. But all this closing of abortion clinics that is happening in various southern states and now this ability for states to stop funding PP is definitely an attack on women's freedom to choose. You are punishing women for being the one who bears the child. If men were the ones who got pregnant, I have a feeling this would not have been an issue, ever.

Since when are we obligated to fund anything that is legal?

I don't know how many times you've already been told this, but boy, are you thick. YOU WEREN'T FUNDING ABORTIONS. You are just punishing an organization that is providing a legal service at the patient's expense.

So now your argument is that taxpayers should give money to Planned Parenthood because leftist women are too damned dumb to understand biology AND money AND basic reality.

Tell me again how you're an advocate for women's equality.

 

[jknowgood]

Condoms are still on sale

Condoms aren't a tool in diagnosing cancer

Neither is planned parenthood.

 

[Cecilie1200]

it's sort of much to do about nothing, depending if your state has a PP Clinic that meets the federal criteria to receive a title x grant.... there are only 15 planned p's that qualified and met the Title x's criteria for a grant, there are a total of 90....title x funded clinics throughout the U.S.....75 Other clinics getting title x grants are NOT PP Clinics.

Under Obama, there were rules for title x funds written that in a convoluted way, prevented states who received the funds and determined where the title x funds went, could not hold title x funds from the clinics who also had separate divisions of their businesses that performed abortions.

What this bill did was allow the States with Title x funds, de-fund title x clinics that performed abortions in their separate division.

This does not mean the State govrnment will do so, just that they will be ALLOWED to do so if they want to, and still be able to receive these title x funds...

IF I AM UNDERSTANDING ALL that I just read on it.

Pence casts tie-breaking vote to advance bill that would let states withhold federal funds from Planned Parenthood

I have a feeling our state will not move to defund PP. I do worry for women in the south, though. More and more moves to close clinics and make it harder to access abortion services are happening all over.

Don't worry, abortion will still be legal, and if you are worried about poor women not being able to afford medical help to kill their babies, you can start an organization to help pay for it. You can call it Protecting America From Its Children.

Please STOP LYING.

Not a DIME of Federal Taxes or Title x funds goes towards paying for abortions, not even for poor people....it's been against the federal law for DECADES, the HYDE AMENDMENT.

Those funds strictly go for medical care for the poor....not a single abortion.

You guys LYING ALL THE TIME on this certainly does not help your cause of wanting to reduce them, because you are simply LIARS on the topic and who in their right mine, would want to debate and argue legitimately on the topic with an unethical liar? Liars are the spawn of Satan....he WINS when you resort to lying.

If you honestly think no federal money went to abortions at PP you're a fool

If you honestly think that PP is using federal money for abortion, you are a total idiot. Why would they do the ONE thing that is guaranteed to cut all funding?

Why are YOU lying about this. Oh, right, you don't believe in women's rights.

Note to me: Dragon's idiot country kills scads of children, and then doesn't teach the ones who survive the gauntlet of gestation basic math. Never, EVER go there.

 

[Rustic]

exactly.....these leftie loons selectively choose their quotations.....religion is part and parcel of our personal belief systems and by extension our government.......we can put our moral beliefs into law just as long as we don't establish a national religion...

No, you can't. You can't force your particular religious belief into law. Laws are based on the Constitution and the laws are based on the rights granted under the Constitution, not on what your favourite sky fairy tells you.

This is why you clowns have such an irrational fear of Sharia Law. You think that because YOU are trying to enact legislation to conform with your idea of what morality is, and you think that all Muslims would do the same to you if they could.

What if your brand of religion says that divorce is wrong, and that marriage is forever. Or that women must wear dresses, not pants, and long sleeves to cover their arms. These are some of the beliefs of some fundamentalist Christian sects practicing in the US, whose belief structure I would not like to see codified in law anytime soon. There are churches, including the Catholic Church which would outlaw birth control, divorce and abortion. Are you prepared to go along with that too?

Just how far down this rabbit hole are you prepared to go?

Here's your muslim cult...
THE CRIMES OF the false PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs. If the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, was alive today he would be sitting on death row somewhere waiting for his execution.

What is important to understand is that none of these depraved and criminal acts are seen as crimes to Muslims, except if they are committed by someone else. They are all holy, divine acts that their own prophet indulged in and therefore they have been given the stamp of validation as the moral code to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].

• Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and ‘thigh’ with Baby Aisha, meaning she was too small to be penetrated so he would take his penis and rub it up and down her thighs and against her vagina. Being a man of ‘mercy’ he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.

• Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts have altered her age when Muslims could not explain why their prophet married and consummated the marriage with a small child. Koranic texts makes it clear that Mohammed married her when she was six years old. For a marriage to be legally deemed valid it had to be sexually consummated. The Hadith clearly proves that Mohammed was a notorious pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.

• Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.

• Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.

• Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?

• Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.

• Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).

• Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.

• Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.

• Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.

• Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.

• Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.

• Lied and cheated. Mohammed encouraged his men to lie to deceive someone in order to get what he wanted.

• Caused division and hatred. Ordered no befriending with Christians and Jews.

• Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.

• Married his daughter–in–law.

• Approved prostitution.

• Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.

• Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.

• Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.

• Advocated suicide attacks.

• Executed apostates and homosexuals.

• Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.

• Honor killings of Muslim women and children.

• Beat alcoholics. Lied.

• Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.

• Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.

• Tortured a man out of greed.

• Looted and plundered.

• Preached hate for people of other religions.

• Extorted money from other religions

• Forced conversions to Islam

• Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.

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References to prophet Mohammed’s crimes:

Hat tip to our reader Craig for the due diligence in providing the references to these claims.

— Muhammad’s marriage to 6yr old Aisha-(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 and 236).

— Aisha cleans Muhammad’s semen stains-(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229-233),

— Muhammad fondling Aisha during her ‘Menses’- (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298-300, Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 1, Number 0270)

— Muhammad liked to have intercourse with Aisha and his other wives when they were menstruating (Sahih Muslim, Book 003, Number 0577-0579),

— He also loved to recite the Quran when his wives were in Menses while lying between their legs!-(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296), (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 639)

— Muhammad married his adopted Son’s wife called ‘Zaynab’ after lusting for her and then banned Adoption in Islam- (Surah 33:37,Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 305, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3330, Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 516,The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein, 1997], Volume VIII, pp. 2-3)

— Muhammad having sex with his dead Aunt in the Grave-( “Kanz Al Umal” (The Treasure of the Workers, by Ali Ibn Husam Aldin, commonly known as Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi. He based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in “Al-Jami Al-Saghir,” written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti.)

— ‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I slept with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali. “The Arabic word used here for slept is “Id’tajat,” and literally means “lay down” with her. It is often used to mean, “Lay down to have sex.”

— Muhammad and the Quran sanctioned sex with your wives and ‘married’ slave girls-(Quran – 70:22-30, 23:5,6, 4:24, 33:50), — Muhammad speaks of sex with Slave Girls- (Sahih Bukhari – Volume 3, #432, Volume 9, #506, Volume 5, #637, Sahih Muslim, Volume 2, #3371)

— Muhammad disagreed with ‘coitus interruptus’ with slave girls- he supported RAPE.

— Muhammad forces a 17 yr old Jewish girl called Safiyyah to marry him and rapes her on the same day her husband and family are killed in the battle of Khaibar (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 522, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367).

— Al Tabari reported in his (‘The History of al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam’, Translated by Michael Fishbein) that even some of Muhammad’s wives and companions were shocked that he forced Safiyyah to marry him after beheading her husband, brother and father.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You can still make descions...its just taxpayers won't be paying for it

I'm not an American, I have no need for Planned Parenthood, and I am grateful to live in a country that treats it's women with respect in regard to their reproductive decisions.

If you're not an American it doesn't concern you

Well you could call it concern if she's suddenly grateful to be in someone's shoes..

It concerns human rights. It's amazing how often you people say that. Other people's well being in other countries can and should concern people with a strong sense of what is right and what is wrong.

You're right. It is about human rights. The only human rights involved in issues of abortion. - The child's human rights.

No matter how much you may want it to be so. No matter what you say or claim. You will never have the right to kill your children

Except that in all civilised countries women have a right for an abortion though so soon in the pregnancy it is not considered a child. Going back from there is barbarism.

"Dictionaries for Democrats" program, people. I keep telling everyone we need this so that leftists can finally understand the meaning of words like "civilization", "barbarism", and "is".

 

[Rustic]

This is not a Christian nation. Period. Keep your religious beliefs out of our government. Stop trying to force this harmful crap on us. If you want to teach YOUR kids all this stuff, go for it, but I'll feel bad for them when they enter the real world out of touch.

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Religion itself is not bad. I think it's good to have this and add meaning and structure to people's lives. But you are incorrectly talking about forcing your religious beliefs on all Americans and it is flat wrong.

Another thing, you are also wrong to thing nonchristians or non believers don't have morals or even the left doesn't have morals. How fkin brainwashed stupid are you?

But what did George Washington and Abe Lincoln say, big guy?

exactly.....these leftie loons selectively choose their quotations.....religion is part and parcel of our personal belief systems and by extension our government.......we can put our moral beliefs into law just as long as we don't establish a national religion...

By your comment you seem to say you have a master lost of all quotations that say something otherwise. Please share. We don't all live in your down the rabbit hole brain.

The last one was not GW. The first doesn't mean religion should be part of government. But the main thing here is that you posted just 3 quotes from the same guy. Yet you called me a cherry picker. You are a HYPOCRITE. Is this another one of the morals you want to force on the rest of us? Dirty. And you are anti freedom for thinking you can force this crap on us. Keep your religion to yourself.

Where in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state?

 

[Cecilie1200]

If you're not an American it doesn't concern you

Well you could call it concern if she's suddenly grateful to be in someone's shoes..

It concerns human rights. It's amazing how often you people say that. Other people's well being in other countries can and should concern people with a strong sense of what is right and what is wrong.

You're right. It is about human rights. The only human rights involved in issues of abortion. - The child's human rights.

No matter how much you may want it to be so. No matter what you say or claim. You will never have the right to kill your children

Except that in all civilised countries women have a right for an abortion though so soon in the pregnancy it is not considered a child. Going back from there is barbarism.

Any country that says you have a right to kill your children is not civilized. Because civilized countries become so by recognizing a human beings right to life

Civilized countries understand that we no longer live in a world where unwelcome children are necessary.

Let's just think about this: civilization means considering some people "unnecessary".

I'm just going to say that YOU are not a person who wants to encourage that line of thought in those around you.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Amazing how the war on women endures into 2017

/---- Libs declared war on Blacks, women and the poor in 1965.

 

[beagle9]

This is not a Christian nation. Period. Keep your religious beliefs out of our government. Stop trying to force this harmful crap on us. If you want to teach YOUR kids all this stuff, go for it, but I'll feel bad for them when they enter the real world out of touch.

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Religion itself is not bad. I think it's good to have this and add meaning and structure to people's lives. But you are incorrectly talking about forcing your religious beliefs on all Americans and it is flat wrong.

Another thing, you are also wrong to thing nonchristians or non believers don't have morals or even the left doesn't have morals. How fkin brainwashed stupid are you?

But what did George Washington and Abe Lincoln say, big guy?

exactly.....these leftie loons selectively choose their quotations.....religion is part and parcel of our personal belief systems and by extension our government.......we can put our moral beliefs into law just as long as we don't establish a national religion...

By your comment you seem to say you have a master lost of all quotations that say something otherwise. Please share. We don't all live in your down the rabbit hole brain.

The last one was not GW. The first doesn't mean religion should be part of government. But the main thing here is that you posted just 3 quotes from the same guy. Yet you called me a cherry picker. You are a HYPOCRITE. Is this another one of the morals you want to force on the rest of us? Dirty. And you are anti freedom for thinking you can force this crap on us. Keep your religion to yourself.

. Funny thing is, is that people who think like you are new to this nation (whether you have recently migrated here or you are part of a new generation), who are being raised in a liberal Godless atmosphere. You have co-opted the Constitution to make it as Godless as you can somehow make it now, and many see that as a threat and/or direct assault on the Constitution. It is an attack on the standards and values that most citizens alive today still cherish and value (otherwise it's not your time yet). The religious aspect spoken of in our constitution was not as a warning against it, but was spoken as a warning against those like you for whom would come in the future to destroy it. People who think and operate like you do, are doing so for the evilness that is attempting to undermine, and to separate this nation from God for nefarious reasons. The only way you and your ilk might think to be anyways successful in that today, is if it is written that these are the very things in which we were told of, and that would soon come to pass. Otherwise these are those warnings for which were written down in the word in that way. Our nation has been intertwined with Christianity, and the Christian forms of religion dating all the way back to our founding, in which was written down and placed in countless speeches, biographies, transcripts, and is seen on countless displays, and in books through out this nations history. You people trying to separate this nation from it's founding in order to lead it to it's destruction within, will hopefully be put down, just like all other attempts in history to separate this nation and it's people have also been put down when such attempts are tried. The nation has some serious cleaning up to do, and hopefully placing your voice into the smallest box or platforms possible will be the strategy against voices like yours or anyone else who thinks like you going forward once again.

 

[OldLady]

Well you could call it concern if she's suddenly grateful to be in someone's shoes..

It concerns human rights. It's amazing how often you people say that. Other people's well being in other countries can and should concern people with a strong sense of what is right and what is wrong.

You're right. It is about human rights. The only human rights involved in issues of abortion. - The child's human rights.

No matter how much you may want it to be so. No matter what you say or claim. You will never have the right to kill your children

Except that in all civilised countries women have a right for an abortion though so soon in the pregnancy it is not considered a child. Going back from there is barbarism.

Any country that says you have a right to kill your children is not civilized. Because civilized countries become so by recognizing a human beings right to life

Civilized countries understand that we no longer live in a world where unwelcome children are necessary.

so do civilized countries also understand that we no longer live in a world where unwelcome old ladies are necessary.....?

What? Getting into death threats so soon?

 

[OldLady]

it will b missed in the 15 title x, planned parenthood's specifically located to provide health/medical services for poor women in poor neighborhoods with no doctors or other clinics in their neighborhoods.

Title x funding was specific....there are 90 title x clinics specifically to provide medical care for poor women where no other health care facilities or doctors exist in their neighborhoods. Plan parenthood had 15 of the 90 title x grant clinics.

defunding title x was a BIG MISTAKE and very hurtful to the poorest of the poor women, and in the worst of ways....deadly ways....

I did not hear PP was defunded. I just Googled it and there was nothing since Jan. when it was proposed. What happened?

it's sort of much to do about nothing, depending if your state has a PP Clinic that meets the federal criteria to receive a title x grant.... there are only 15 planned p's that qualified and met the Title x's criteria for a grant, there are a total of 90....title x funded clinics throughout the U.S.....75 Other clinics getting title x grants are NOT PP Clinics.

Under Obama, there were rules for title x funds written that in a convoluted way, prevented states who received the funds and determined where the title x funds went, could not hold title x funds from the clinics who also had separate divisions of their businesses that performed abortions.

What this bill did was allow the States with Title x funds, de-fund title x clinics that performed abortions in their separate division.

This does not mean the State govrnment will do so, just that they will be ALLOWED to do so if they want to, and still be able to receive these title x funds...

IF I AM UNDERSTANDING ALL that I just read on it.

Pence casts tie-breaking vote to advance bill that would let states withhold federal funds from Planned Parenthood

I have a feeling our state will not move to defund PP. I do worry for women in the south, though. More and more moves to close clinics and make it harder to access abortion services are happening all over.

Yes, I agree, our State will not hold back Title x funds for a clinic that provides women's health care services for the poorest....even if the same clinic also provided abortions at the Patient's expense.

You can tell, by the way Collins, who represents the State as Senator, voted at the Federal level.

That is why she is a well-known RINO.

RINO's like Susan Collins will ultimately save this country from extremists like you. At least I hope they will.