We WERE Americans

[DarkFury]

This fails as a straw man fallacy, nothing but ridiculous lies completely devoid of fact or merit.

This fails as a straw man fallacy, nothing but ridiculous lies completely devoid of fact or merit.

That's not a straw man.

That is his standard reply to all threads here. Needless to say YOU put more content in ONE reply then he puts on the ENTIRE board in a year.

And if I forgot to say welcome when you arrived? Welcome to USMB.

Thank you. I joined about a week and a half ago. I've noticed he relies heavily on the straw man accusation.

I don't really know what your politics is but you are a good add to this board. I have only been reading you for a couple of days now.
But your style is civil but solid so that IS a good sign. The BEST debates the best threads are done by HONEST people. We have liberals here I disagree with but respect.

The muslims on this board for the most part are more active to open thought then Jones.So tighten your belt and find your trench because its BIG game season this year. TROPHY BUCK no less. This board is going to ROCK when the time comes because it IS loaded with talent.

So stick around, we all may learn something.

 

[kiwiman127]

There WAS a day went that meant something. NATIONAL pride was more then an idea a concept it was a FACT, it was a practice. But it has been slowly stripped away and discarded by political hobo's. I know I am not wrong in remembering this, because it was a part of everyday life.

I'm sure there are MANY members here such as Jackson or randall Flagg even Sonny Clark that can remember this. It was almost inherent in our blood.
Nor are we the only nation or people to endure his FORCED loss. Stratford57 can see it in his country and Lucy Hamilton can see it in hers.

We not only have those left wing lunatics deriding us for ours they insist ALL must give it up. What do our and those government propose to replace it with? SOCIALIST government where NOT a thought is yours. You do realize that government NEVER advances only reacts.

There is no advancement under socialist government because that form of government is designed to be stable and never changing. Under a communist government {USSR} the government builds cars and the design hardly ever changes. MOST socialist countries don't even build cars of their own design.

Canada builds cars for Ford/GM/Dodge/Toyota and Honda. All designed in other countries by other people. Canada builds the Winnebago on an American truck platform. They simply do not design/build their own platforms They have outsourced their tech just as American has outsourced its labor.

There WAS a time when all countries displayed their best. German steel was number one. Russian ship building was the best and America built cars for anywhere in the world on any budget and could handle any road.

National pride. The Russians have re-found theirs in a fellow named Putin. Germany struggles right now to find its and in November the world will watch to see IF America has found hers. We are no more the leader of the free world today then Mexico. Germany is no more Europe's free world leader then Greece.

National pride is the ONLY thing that puts you there because with national pride comes ideas and sweat. Hillary has no national pride and never has. The world has seen and suffered at the lack of Obama. Germany is fast falling into chaos because of its leaders HATE for its people. We in this country have a FLOTUS on record with her hate for our way. Just how stupid was that?

So what makes me think we can make America great again? Because we ARE Americans and that just IS what we do...


Fury

Excellent piece, Fury. It is so easy to become disappointed when we see the direction our country is taking. Many of us feel it. And, to think we could have a POTUS that is a socialist or one that has less integrity than a common thief, one just wants to shake their head and take a deep sigh.

But as you said, We are Americans and we have to believe that our citizens and immigrants can work together to make this country the leader of the free world, with jobs for all that want one, where we live in harmony again. It's not too hard if we remember for the most part, we are all Americans and want the best for every man, woman and child. Can we do it? Yes? Is there something more important than Democrat or Republican? Yes. This election, let's find a candidate who can bring us together and work for the greatness of this country!

"This election, let's find a candidate who can bring us together and work for the greatness of this country!" -Jackson

The last sentence of your post, hit the nail on the head.
We seem to have almost nothing but dividers running for president.
We do have one candidate who has the proven ability bring people together. His history shows he knows how to work both sides of the aisle and he was re-elected with votes from the other side of the aisle. He has bipartisan popularity.
Poll after poll after poll shows that a huge majority of Americans, from the right, from the left and from the center, want our president and congress to work in a bipartisan manner and actually get things done. This country has a lot of problems. Unfortunately, we have hyper-partisan children running our government, who stomp their feet, go into the name calling mode and refuse to deliver legislations that positively benefits ALL Americans. These "party first" politicians are going against the will of 70% of Americans!
Electing John Kasich, would be a giant step in the right direction.

 

[DarkFury]

There WAS a day went that meant something. NATIONAL pride was more then an idea a concept it was a FACT, it was a practice. But it has been slowly stripped away and discarded by political hobo's. I know I am not wrong in remembering this, because it was a part of everyday life.

I'm sure there are MANY members here such as Jackson or randall Flagg even Sonny Clark that can remember this. It was almost inherent in our blood.
Nor are we the only nation or people to endure his FORCED loss. Stratford57 can see it in his country and Lucy Hamilton can see it in hers.

We not only have those left wing lunatics deriding us for ours they insist ALL must give it up. What do our and those government propose to replace it with? SOCIALIST government where NOT a thought is yours. You do realize that government NEVER advances only reacts.

There is no advancement under socialist government because that form of government is designed to be stable and never changing. Under a communist government {USSR} the government builds cars and the design hardly ever changes. MOST socialist countries don't even build cars of their own design.

Canada builds cars for Ford/GM/Dodge/Toyota and Honda. All designed in other countries by other people. Canada builds the Winnebago on an American truck platform. They simply do not design/build their own platforms They have outsourced their tech just as American has outsourced its labor.

There WAS a time when all countries displayed their best. German steel was number one. Russian ship building was the best and America built cars for anywhere in the world on any budget and could handle any road.

National pride. The Russians have re-found theirs in a fellow named Putin. Germany struggles right now to find its and in November the world will watch to see IF America has found hers. We are no more the leader of the free world today then Mexico. Germany is no more Europe's free world leader then Greece.

National pride is the ONLY thing that puts you there because with national pride comes ideas and sweat. Hillary has no national pride and never has. The world has seen and suffered at the lack of Obama. Germany is fast falling into chaos because of its leaders HATE for its people. We in this country have a FLOTUS on record with her hate for our way. Just how stupid was that?

So what makes me think we can make America great again? Because we ARE Americans and that just IS what we do...


Fury

Excellent piece, Fury. It is so easy to become disappointed when we see the direction our country is taking. Many of us feel it. And, to think we could have a POTUS that is a socialist or one that has less integrity than a common thief, one just wants to shake their head and take a deep sigh.

But as you said, We are Americans and we have to believe that our citizens and immigrants can work together to make this country the leader of the free world, with jobs for all that want one, where we live in harmony again. It's not too hard if we remember for the most part, we are all Americans and want the best for every man, woman and child. Can we do it? Yes? Is there something more important than Democrat or Republican? Yes. This election, let's find a candidate who can bring us together and work for the greatness of this country!

"This election, let's find a candidate who can bring us together and work for the greatness of this country!" -Jackson

The last sentence of your post, hit the nail on the head.
We seem to have almost nothing but dividers running for president.
We do have one candidate who has the proven ability bring people together. His history shows he knows how to work both sides of the aisle and he was re-elected with votes from the other side of the aisle. He has bipartisan popularity.
Poll after poll after poll shows that a huge majority of Americans, from the right, from the left and from the center, want our president and congress to work in a bipartisan manner and actually get things done. This country has a lot of problems. Unfortunately, we have hyper-partisan children running our government, who stomp their feet, go into the name calling mode and refuse to deliver legislations that positively benefits ALL Americans. These "party first" politicians are going against the will of 70% of Americans!
Electing John Kasich, would be a giant step in the right direction.

No, that would NOT be a giant step. A giant step would be Gary Johnson {sp?}. Its time BOTH parties went a bit hungry.

 

[Jackson]

There WAS a day went that meant something. NATIONAL pride was more then an idea a concept it was a FACT, it was a practice. But it has been slowly stripped away and discarded by political hobo's. I know I am not wrong in remembering this, because it was a part of everyday life.

I'm sure there are MANY members here such as Jackson or randall Flagg even Sonny Clark that can remember this. It was almost inherent in our blood.
Nor are we the only nation or people to endure his FORCED loss. Stratford57 can see it in his country and Lucy Hamilton can see it in hers.

We not only have those left wing lunatics deriding us for ours they insist ALL must give it up. What do our and those government propose to replace it with? SOCIALIST government where NOT a thought is yours. You do realize that government NEVER advances only reacts.

There is no advancement under socialist government because that form of government is designed to be stable and never changing. Under a communist government {USSR} the government builds cars and the design hardly ever changes. MOST socialist countries don't even build cars of their own design.

Canada builds cars for Ford/GM/Dodge/Toyota and Honda. All designed in other countries by other people. Canada builds the Winnebago on an American truck platform. They simply do not design/build their own platforms They have outsourced their tech just as American has outsourced its labor.

There WAS a time when all countries displayed their best. German steel was number one. Russian ship building was the best and America built cars for anywhere in the world on any budget and could handle any road.

National pride. The Russians have re-found theirs in a fellow named Putin. Germany struggles right now to find its and in November the world will watch to see IF America has found hers. We are no more the leader of the free world today then Mexico. Germany is no more Europe's free world leader then Greece.

National pride is the ONLY thing that puts you there because with national pride comes ideas and sweat. Hillary has no national pride and never has. The world has seen and suffered at the lack of Obama. Germany is fast falling into chaos because of its leaders HATE for its people. We in this country have a FLOTUS on record with her hate for our way. Just how stupid was that?

So what makes me think we can make America great again? Because we ARE Americans and that just IS what we do...


Fury

Excellent piece, Fury. It is so easy to become disappointed when we see the direction our country is taking. Many of us feel it. And, to think we could have a POTUS that is a socialist or one that has less integrity than a common thief, one just wants to shake their head and take a deep sigh.

But as you said, We are Americans and we have to believe that our citizens and immigrants can work together to make this country the leader of the free world, with jobs for all that want one, where we live in harmony again. It's not too hard if we remember for the most part, we are all Americans and want the best for every man, woman and child. Can we do it? Yes? Is there something more important than Democrat or Republican? Yes. This election, let's find a candidate who can bring us together and work for the greatness of this country!

"This election, let's find a candidate who can bring us together and work for the greatness of this country!" -Jackson

The last sentence of your post, hit the nail on the head.
We seem to have almost nothing but dividers running for president.
We do have one candidate who has the proven ability bring people together. His history shows he knows how to work both sides of the aisle and he was re-elected with votes from the other side of the aisle. He has bipartisan popularity.
Poll after poll after poll shows that a huge majority of Americans, from the right, from the left and from the center, want our president and congress to work in a bipartisan manner and actually get things done. This country has a lot of problems. Unfortunately, we have hyper-partisan children running our government, who stomp their feet, go into the name calling mode and refuse to deliver legislations that positively benefits ALL Americans. These "party first" politicians are going against the will of 70% of Americans!
Electing John Kasich, would be a giant step in the right direction.

I like Kasich, too. I think you are on the right track! He has done it in Ohio. I am hoping that Tuesday he has legs and will be in the top three.!

 

[Rouge Rover]

Kasich is one of the guys I would vote for.

 

[Jackson]

Kasich is one of the guys I would vote for.

We'll have to keep our fingers crossed Tuesday!

 

[Agit8r]

He didn't mention Beirut?

 

[cnm]

Yeah, but I'm half Mexican so "White Supremacist" does not exactly fit me.

I can never work out the American racial hierarchy. Are Mexicans not 'white'? I guess it's the Aryan influence.

 

[cnm]

I am proud of our space program
Our investments into science
Our ability to innovate

All things that are well worth while.

That's all good, but remember you based your space programme on captured German rocket scientists and the Soviets were the first to put a man in space.

Let not your pride be overweening but of a modest nature.

 

[cnm]

The topic is about LEADERSHIP styles and just very basic feelings about country and to that extent I feel Clinton loved this country far more then Obama. To make it even clearer I think Cater was the start of making apologies where one was NOT needed.

Oh. So it's about following a leader like sheep? I should have guessed.

 

[DarkFury]

Yeah, but I'm half Mexican so "White Supremacist" does not exactly fit me.

I can never work out the American racial hierarchy. Are Mexicans not 'white'? I guess it's the Aryan influence.

We were not white until Zimmerman shot somebody then we were white Mexicans. The liberals did that. Of course they CHOSE to ignore the FACT that Carlos "Chuck" Norris is ALSO a "white Mexican".

Small oversight right?

 

[cnm]

American race politics are beyond me. They're crazy. I note you take your full part in them.

 

[DarkFury]

American race politics are beyond me. They're crazy. I note you take your full part in them.

I tend I suppose like many others to notice you keep referring to "you Americans". Just what 'SUPPOSED" utopia are you posting from?

 

[cnm]

You may suppose it to be a Utopia, to me it is just my location.

 

[candycorn]

There WAS a day went that meant something. [/MEDIA]

Fury

Holy shit, you can't even string your first sentence together.

Fixed.

You're not an American anymore?...America thanks you.

Amen.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

There WAS a day went that meant something. [/MEDIA]

Fury

Holy shit, you can't even string your first sentence together.

Fixed.

You're not an American anymore?...America thanks you.

When we want the opinion of the resident bull dyke we'll let you know.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The idea that we have somehow lost our national pride is poppycock. We may stumble along the way but America has always been great.

Sorry,I dont believe the millions of immigrants give a rats ass about this country or what it means to be American....and they dont care to learn.
They're here for the free shit.

 

[cnm]

They're here for the free shit.

Undoubtedly.

sauce

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

They're here for the free shit.

Undoubtedly.

How about a photo from this century?

 

[candycorn]

In order to accomplish what?

A dialogue and sharing of ideas. Agreeing when one person has a good point and being able to disagree like , was going to say adults, but we should do better, Adults don't do communicate well. Why is that?

This happens all the time in this country just not usually in politics. There's a reason for that, the point of politics isn't to get along and share ideas and it definitely isn't to admit you're wrong.

Admitting you were wrong about something is so terrible? I was wrong about something I wrote earlier today and someone corrected me on it. Called me a liar. I read his link and he was right. I was wrong. My message (best to memory)
"Dotcom your are right. I stand corrected. Thank you."
That wasn't so hard to do. None of us are right 100% of the time. Isn't it more responsible to have a reputation of being honest knowing you can't be right all of the time? Some people have a reputation for insulting when the conversation turns on them. That's just the opposite of what we should be doing. Just my 2 cents.

No it's not wrong. What I asked you was in order to accomplish what? Without a political organization in place all you're really talking about is conversation.

I guess you are right. But, we have to have that conversation to get those things done, right? can we come from different viewpoints and compromise on an idea? How can Congress do it if we can't on a mere message board? We have a problem with our egos, I think. What do you think?

We have a problem with intellectual dishonesty. Like when you said you thought Trump wasn't talking about MK being on her period. Obviously you were lying to protect your (then?) messiah Trump.

You spout lie after lie every day, fully knowing they are not true.

When you guys stop, we can have that conversation.