Weisselberg Indicted

[martybegan]

They are asserting an active criminal enterprise, good luck proving that to a jury.

Why? Seems that the records are all pretty clear this was absolutely intentional. They have the receipts.

That's from reading the indictment. Wait until a good defense attorney has at this.

receipts prove transactions, not intentions.

 

[colfax_m]

That's from reading the indictment. Wait until a good defense attorney has at this.

receipts prove transactions, not intentions.

Yeah, I know. Rich people don’t get convicted because the can afford good attorneys. God bless the USA.

There’s no argument to be made here. They knew it was compensation. That’s why they reduced his compensation at the same time as paying for his tax free shit.

 

[colfax_m]

That's the whole "point" of the exercise.

Still waiting for you to show me where I claimed it.

Put up or shut up asshole.

 

[colfax_m]

this particular act is and has been routinely and systematically designated as civil with fines and audits.

This particular act is tax fraud.

And that’s a crime. Ask Leona Helmsley.

 

[colfax_m]

To convict the entire organzation they must show it was organizational wide

What does that mean?

It might help you to read Arthur Anderson LLP v. United States 544 U.S. 696 (2005

How would that help? It’s about jury instructions and there hasn’t been a trial yet.

 

[martybegan]

That's from reading the indictment. Wait until a good defense attorney has at this.

receipts prove transactions, not intentions.

Yeah, I know. Rich people don’t get convicted because the can afford good attorneys. God bless the USA.

There’s no argument to be made here. They knew it was compensation. That’s why they reduced his compensation at the same time as paying for his tax free shit.

They also tend to commit crimes, or be accused of crimes that are more "what happened" than "who did it"

Murder is murder. all you have to do is prove who killed the person. This is tax law, and not only do you have to prove that what happened happened, but the person doing it knew what they were doing was criminal, and not just bad accounting or misunderstanding tax law.

And you have to prove it to a jury.

 

[martybegan]

That's the whole "point" of the exercise.

Still waiting for you to show me where I claimed it.

Put up or shut up asshole.

You don't have to claim it, it's the only reason you care about this indictment.

Remove Trump and it wouldn't even make the news.

It's blindingly fucking obvious, both Vance's intentions, and your interest in it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

well they did manage to convict Wesley Snipes of not paying his taxes. But in his case I believe he posted that he would not pay ever.

 

[colfax_m]

That's from reading the indictment. Wait until a good defense attorney has at this.

receipts prove transactions, not intentions.

Yeah, I know. Rich people don’t get convicted because the can afford good attorneys. God bless the USA.

There’s no argument to be made here. They knew it was compensation. That’s why they reduced his compensation at the same time as paying for his tax free shit.

They also tend to commit crimes, or be accused of crimes that are more "what happened" than "who did it"

Murder is murder. all you have to do is prove who killed the person. This is tax law, and not only do you have to prove that what happened happened, but the person doing it knew what they were doing was criminal, and not just bad accounting or misunderstanding tax law.

And you have to prove it to a jury.

Right. Because an accountant and CFO wouldn’t have been aware that his fringe benefits were taxable.

Jesus, how stupid do you think they’re going to claim Weisselberg is?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's from reading the indictment. Wait until a good defense attorney has at this.

receipts prove transactions, not intentions.

Yeah, I know. Rich people don’t get convicted because the can afford good attorneys. God bless the USA.

There’s no argument to be made here. They knew it was compensation. That’s why they reduced his compensation at the same time as paying for his tax free shit.

They also tend to commit crimes, or be accused of crimes that are more "what happened" than "who did it"

Murder is murder. all you have to do is prove who killed the person. This is tax law, and not only do you have to prove that what happened happened, but the person doing it knew what they were doing was criminal, and not just bad accounting or misunderstanding tax law.

And you have to prove it to a jury.

Right. Because an accountant and CFO wouldn’t have been aware that his fringe benefits were taxable.

Jesus, how stupid do you think they’re going to claim Weisselberg is?

All he has to do or rather his lawyer is point out such events and claims are and have ben since the dawn of the system a CIVIL MATTER resoled by fines and audits.

 

[colfax_m]

That's the whole "point" of the exercise.

Still waiting for you to show me where I claimed it.

Put up or shut up asshole.

You don't have to claim it, it's the only reason you care about this indictment.

Remove Trump and it wouldn't even make the news.

It's blindingly fucking obvious, both Vance's intentions, and your interest in it.

Ah, so you make shit up to suit you. Who’s not surprised?

 

[Care4all]

That's from reading the indictment. Wait until a good defense attorney has at this.

receipts prove transactions, not intentions.

Yeah, I know. Rich people don’t get convicted because the can afford good attorneys. God bless the USA.

There’s no argument to be made here. They knew it was compensation. That’s why they reduced his compensation at the same time as paying for his tax free shit.

They also tend to commit crimes, or be accused of crimes that are more "what happened" than "who did it"

Murder is murder. all you have to do is prove who killed the person. This is tax law, and not only do you have to prove that what happened happened, but the person doing it knew what they were doing was criminal, and not just bad accounting or misunderstanding tax law.

And you have to prove it to a jury.

You don't keep a second set of books on it, if you didn't KNOW what you were doing...

 

[colfax_m]

All he has to do or rather his lawyer is point out such events and claims are and have ben since the dawn of the system a CIVIL MATTER resoled by fines and audits.

Nope. As long as it’s proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they broke the law, it’s irrelevant how other defendants were treated.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

There are no charges against Trump. Weisselberg is charged with not paying taxes on occasionally driving a company car. Do you really think he will spend half his life in jail because he drove a company car?

Hope so.

Of course that will never happen.

This is only the opening card in a full hand... This is what they do all the time... They have a apartments and if you think that people just cheat a little then you are naive... They go back and he could be in real trouble, Trump Org was set up for non forensic overview..

Weisselberg has some serious issues, one being the inauguration scandal...

When taxes are signed off, Trump does that personally... Every Accountant always tells you that taxes is the owner/director responsibility and no the accountants... Trump has actually make Weisselberg responsible...

I have a feeling that the inauguration scam will be part of this indictment.
Over a hundred million funneled directly into the Trump Org coffers.

I have a feeling that the inauguration scam will be part of this indictment.
Over a hundred million funneled directly into the Trump Org coffers.

Yes. It will be significant. The Trump kids were all involved with the inaugural. This could cover more ground than Trump org.

 

[bripat9643]

That's from reading the indictment. Wait until a good defense attorney has at this.

receipts prove transactions, not intentions.

Yeah, I know. Rich people don’t get convicted because the can afford good attorneys. God bless the USA.

There’s no argument to be made here. They knew it was compensation. That’s why they reduced his compensation at the same time as paying for his tax free shit.

They also tend to commit crimes, or be accused of crimes that are more "what happened" than "who did it"

Murder is murder. all you have to do is prove who killed the person. This is tax law, and not only do you have to prove that what happened happened, but the person doing it knew what they were doing was criminal, and not just bad accounting or misunderstanding tax law.

And you have to prove it to a jury.

You don't keep a second set of books on it, if you didn't KNOW what you were doing...

It's already been proven that they didn't keep a second set of books. That's a prog lie.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's from reading the indictment. Wait until a good defense attorney has at this.

receipts prove transactions, not intentions.

Yeah, I know. Rich people don’t get convicted because the can afford good attorneys. God bless the USA.

There’s no argument to be made here. They knew it was compensation. That’s why they reduced his compensation at the same time as paying for his tax free shit.

They also tend to commit crimes, or be accused of crimes that are more "what happened" than "who did it"

Murder is murder. all you have to do is prove who killed the person. This is tax law, and not only do you have to prove that what happened happened, but the person doing it knew what they were doing was criminal, and not just bad accounting or misunderstanding tax law.

And you have to prove it to a jury.

You don't keep a second set of books on it, if you didn't KNOW what you were doing...

It's already been proven that they didn't keep a second set of books. That's a prog lie.

The premise is to poison the public opinion, any lie will do and is the STANDARD practice of the left and dems in particular. every time the dems go after someone in the press they publish a set of lies to poison opinion. with the knowledge that the truth won't matter as it will be poorly reported and buried in the noise.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

BULLDOG
Well I doubt this guy is Al Capone. NY is chasing its tail trying to find something, anything to prosecute Trump or his people for.

This will be a big fat nothing burger like all the rest.

Keep in mind, not only Scar Face but Martha Stewart was indicted and served time in Prison for tax crimes. NY does not take tax cheating a minor misdemeanor.

NY does not take tax cheating a minor misdemeanor

It does if you're on the Board of Directors.
CEOs are hired to take the hit.

Neato. But he is CFO and is charged with grand larceny.

And if he is found guilty he should take the consequences that he agreed to tale.

"Agreed"... Haha. Not sure what this silly nonsense is, but whether or not he takes the consequences of his own criminal actions isn't really up to him.

It was when he agreed to do what the Board of Directors told him to do, regardless of legality.
Due to technology it is impossible to not pay your taxes due to phony write-offs.
The DA started this investigation years ago and was told to drag his feet.

It was when he agreed to do what the Board of Directors told him to do, regardless of legality.
Due to technology it is impossible to not pay your taxes due to phony write-offs.
The DA started this investigation years ago and was told to drag his feet.

The “board” at Trump org is Don the Con and his two elder sons.

 

[colfax_m]

The premise is to poison the public opinion, any lie will do and is the STANDARD practice of the left and dems in particular. every time the dems go after someone in the press they publish a set of lies to poison opinion. with the knowledge that the truth won't matter as it will be poorly reported and buried in the noise.

You guys have done this to every Democratic presidential candidate for 30 years.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The premise is to poison the public opinion, any lie will do and is the STANDARD practice of the left and dems in particular. every time the dems go after someone in the press they publish a set of lies to poison opinion. with the knowledge that the truth won't matter as it will be poorly reported and buried in the noise.

You guys have done this to every Democratic presidential candidate for 30 years.

LOL really? Kavanaugh and Trump come to mind? the only reason Cohen wasn't lied about was because they couldn't come up with an attack on a woman fast enough.. Ohh ya did I forget Bush and his service in the National Guard? The covington kids, the kid in the shooting at the riot. Te officer in the Brown shooting? Zimmerman? All lied about with the willing cooperation of the Mainstream Press at the Behest of the democrats.

 

[martybegan]

That's from reading the indictment. Wait until a good defense attorney has at this.

receipts prove transactions, not intentions.

Yeah, I know. Rich people don’t get convicted because the can afford good attorneys. God bless the USA.

There’s no argument to be made here. They knew it was compensation. That’s why they reduced his compensation at the same time as paying for his tax free shit.

They also tend to commit crimes, or be accused of crimes that are more "what happened" than "who did it"

Murder is murder. all you have to do is prove who killed the person. This is tax law, and not only do you have to prove that what happened happened, but the person doing it knew what they were doing was criminal, and not just bad accounting or misunderstanding tax law.

And you have to prove it to a jury.

Right. Because an accountant and CFO wouldn’t have been aware that his fringe benefits were taxable.

Jesus, how stupid do you think they’re going to claim Weisselberg is?

What they are probably going to say is it was done in a way to be a write-off.