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You hate illegals who work in this country
^ This.Imprisonment is punishment for committing a crime and being found guilty. Freedom isn't a reward, its a birthright.
That is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Freedom is not a birthright. It is a privilege. It is something you are imbued with by our Constitution simply for being born here. If you break the law, you lose your freedom. Not a hard concept to grasp.
By the way, imprisonment is the natural result of someone losing their freedom.
The founding fathers disagree with you...but then again, you're pretty stupid.
Imperius.
Imprisonment is punishment for committing a crime and being found guilty. Freedom isn't a reward, its a birthright.
That is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Freedom is not a birthright. It is a privilege. It is something you are imbued with by our Constitution simply for being born here. If you break the law, you lose your freedom. Not a hard concept to grasp.
By the way, imprisonment is the natural result of someone losing their freedom.
The founding fathers disagree with you...but then again, you're pretty stupid.
I have the utmost contempt for people who have the utmost contempt for people who try to make a better life, while refusing to do so for themselves.You hate illegals who work in this country
You're damn right I do. They don't belong here. What part of that is so hard for you to comprehend? I have the utmost contempt for people who try to make a better life by breaking the laws everyone else have to follow.
Imprisonment is punishment for committing a crime and being found guilty. Freedom isn't a reward, its a birthright.
That is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Freedom is not a birthright. It is a privilege. It is something you are imbued with by our Constitution simply for being born here. If you break the law, you lose your freedom. Not a hard concept to grasp.
By the way, imprisonment is the natural result of someone losing their freedom.
The founding fathers disagree with you...but then again, you're pretty stupid.
Was that it? I wonder how many times liberals have called me stupid this week. I guess you're the type who thinks invoking the names of the founding fathers makes your argument viable. I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way.
^ This.Imprisonment is punishment for committing a crime and being found guilty. Freedom isn't a reward, its a birthright.
That is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Freedom is not a birthright. It is a privilege. It is something you are imbued with by our Constitution simply for being born here. If you break the law, you lose your freedom. Not a hard concept to grasp.
By the way, imprisonment is the natural result of someone losing their freedom.
The founding fathers disagree with you...but then again, you're pretty stupid.
If you feel like replying to me again Templarfag, just re-read post #80 instead.
I have the utmost contempt for people who have the utmost contempt for people who try to make a better life, while refusing to do so for themselves.You hate illegals who work in this country
You're damn right I do. They don't belong here. What part of that is so hard for you to comprehend? I have the utmost contempt for people who try to make a better life by breaking the laws everyone else have to follow.
So anyways, refer to post #80. And go fuck yourself.
There are those of us who have a knowledge of history and then there are people like you who believe freedom is a privilege like driving.
The first rule after you've dug yourself into a hole is to stop digging. Just some advice there douche bag.
^ This.Imprisonment is punishment for committing a crime and being found guilty. Freedom isn't a reward, its a birthright.
That is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Freedom is not a birthright. It is a privilege. It is something you are imbued with by our Constitution simply for being born here. If you break the law, you lose your freedom. Not a hard concept to grasp.
By the way, imprisonment is the natural result of someone losing their freedom.
The founding fathers disagree with you...but then again, you're pretty stupid.
If you feel like replying to me again Templarfag, just re-read post #80 instead.
"The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or, if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may, as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.
“The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another. The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader.
“In the infancy of the country, with a boundless waste to people, it was politic to give a facility to naturalization; but our situation is now changed. It appears from the last census that we have increased about one third in ten years; after allowing for what we have gained from abroad, it will be quite apparent that the natural progress of our own population is sufficiently rapid for strength, security, and settlement. By what has been said, it is not meant to contend for a total prohibition of the right of citizenship to strangers, nor even for the very long residence which is now a prerequisite to naturalization, and which of itself goes far towards a denial of that privilege. The present law was merely a temporary measure adopted under peculiar circumstances, and perhaps demands revision. But there is a wide difference between closing the door altogether and throwing it entirely open; between a postponement of fourteen years, and an immediate admission to all the rights of citizenship. Some reasonable term ought to be allowed to enable aliens to get rid of foreign and acquire American attachments; to learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of a probability at least, of their feeling a real interest in our affairs. A residence of not less than five years ought to be required.
“If the rights of naturalization may be communicated by parts, and it is not perceived why they may not, those peculiar to the conducting of business and the acquisition of property, might with propriety be at once conferred, upon receiving proof, by certain prescribed solemnities, of the intention of the candidates to become citizens; postponing all political privileges to the ultimate term. To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens, the moment they put foot in our country, as recommended in the message, would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty.”
--Alexander Hamilton (as Lucius Crassus), Examination of Jefferson’s Message to Congress, December 7, 1801
If you want to talk about punishing law breakers in regards to illegal immigration, I think you'd be better served punishing the employers of illegal immigrants if you want to try to actually curtail it.
I'm pretty sure I was clear about you referring to post #80 instead of responding to me for the rest of this thread^ This.Imprisonment is punishment for committing a crime and being found guilty. Freedom isn't a reward, its a birthright.
That is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Freedom is not a birthright. It is a privilege. It is something you are imbued with by our Constitution simply for being born here. If you break the law, you lose your freedom. Not a hard concept to grasp.
By the way, imprisonment is the natural result of someone losing their freedom.
The founding fathers disagree with you...but then again, you're pretty stupid.
If you feel like replying to me again Templarfag, just re-read post #80 instead.
"The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or, if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may, as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.
“The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another. The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader.
“In the infancy of the country, with a boundless waste to people, it was politic to give a facility to naturalization; but our situation is now changed. It appears from the last census that we have increased about one third in ten years; after allowing for what we have gained from abroad, it will be quite apparent that the natural progress of our own population is sufficiently rapid for strength, security, and settlement. By what has been said, it is not meant to contend for a total prohibition of the right of citizenship to strangers, nor even for the very long residence which is now a prerequisite to naturalization, and which of itself goes far towards a denial of that privilege. The present law was merely a temporary measure adopted under peculiar circumstances, and perhaps demands revision. But there is a wide difference between closing the door altogether and throwing it entirely open; between a postponement of fourteen years, and an immediate admission to all the rights of citizenship. Some reasonable term ought to be allowed to enable aliens to get rid of foreign and acquire American attachments; to learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of a probability at least, of their feeling a real interest in our affairs. A residence of not less than five years ought to be required.
“If the rights of naturalization may be communicated by parts, and it is not perceived why they may not, those peculiar to the conducting of business and the acquisition of property, might with propriety be at once conferred, upon receiving proof, by certain prescribed solemnities, of the intention of the candidates to become citizens; postponing all political privileges to the ultimate term. To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens, the moment they put foot in our country, as recommended in the message, would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty.”
--Alexander Hamilton (as Lucius Crassus), Examination of Jefferson’s Message to Congress, December 7, 1801
TheOldSchool
What about post #86?
I'm pretty sure I was clear about you referring to post #80 instead of responding to me for the rest of this thread
instead of responding to me for the rest of this thread
There are those of us who have a knowledge of history and then there are people like you who believe freedom is a privilege like driving.
Please, demonstrate your knowledge of history to me instead of bragging to me about it. I'd love to see this.
instead of responding to me for the rest of this thread
I can keep this up until sunrise. Can you? I don't quit. But you will. You'll tire of being beaten soundly in a debate and leave.
Your arguments have degenerated into nothing but arbitrary name calling and ad hominem. Instead of taking my argument head on, you attack me for not having a job, or for hating illegal immigrants (ooh the hate card). You did everything except what an intelligent person with a cogent argument would do.
When will you get it through your thick head that arguments can't be won by making the argument personal? By doing that you have no argument at all.
Good day.
Easy, you just quoted the Declaration of Independence, not the Preamble to the Constitution.There are those of us who have a knowledge of history and then there are people like you who believe freedom is a privilege like driving.
Please, demonstrate your knowledge of history to me instead of bragging to me about it. I'd love to see this.
Preamble to the Constitution... Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Your move.
Easy, you just quoted the Declaration of Independence, not the Preamble to the Constitution.There are those of us who have a knowledge of history and then there are people like you who believe freedom is a privilege like driving.
Please, demonstrate your knowledge of history to me instead of bragging to me about it. I'd love to see this.
Preamble to the Constitution... Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Your move.
This is the Preamble to the Constitution
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Moron.
