What do liberals think about Trump's statement he was spied on now?

[Syriusly]

I will say it again-

The entire Trumpster "Deep State out to get Trump" propaganda campaign makes absolutely no sense.

On the one hand they want us to believe that the FBI were used as puppets as part of a conspiracy to deny Trump the Presidency- and used their extraordinary powers to illegally obtain a FISA warrant- on one of the least important persons in the Trump campaign.

If the FBI had that power- why didn't they get warrants on Steve Bannon or Jared Kushner or any one of a dozen people with close contact with Trump?

If the FBI was willing to break the law to prevent Trump from being elected- why didn't Comey just announce the investigation on Trump's campaign- which was legitimately happening?

Like most such conspiracy theories- it relies on the conspirators both being amazingly powerful- and incredibly stupid- at the very same time.

 

[bripat9643]

Could the FBI find evidence without THAT FISC order? Sure- if they have the ability to get a FISC on anyone- they could have requested one for each of Trump's campaign inner circle.

No. Actually they couldn't do that. The topic was "collusion with the Russians" and Page was their best bet on that play. Except that his contribution to the Trump Campaign was very near zero. Never attended a committee meeting. Never talked to the upper reaches of the Campaign staff.

No way the FISC would approve a request based on Russian collusion for just ANY member of the team..

Page lived in Russia while he opened Merrill Lynch over there. Is a Russian expert on their energy reserves and had COOPERATED with the FBI many times in the past. They USED him as an "unwitting" informant in their zest to get dirt on the Republican campaign staff.

Bullshit.

Page had almost no connection to the Trump campaign. There are 100 other people they could have spied on if their goal was to spy on Trump. His doorman would have yielded more information than Page.

They needed an excuse to get the FISA warrant approved. Page went to Russia. That was their excuse.

Russia tried to recruit Page as a spy.

Funny how the Trumpsters 'forget' about that......

"Tried," and failed. It's funny how all you deranged, brain-damaged snowflakes forget that.

 

[bripat9643]

Today's Intel tip of day for Faun and the other CNN mushrooms is on "reverse targeting"... A well-know surveillance term.. At least to people paying attention the Civil Liberties crisis here.

Pop quiz tomorrow -- read and ask questions..

Rand Paul Is Right: NSA Routinely Monitors Americans’ Communications Without Warrants

Paul explained how the NSA routinely and deliberately spies on Americans’ communications — listens to their calls and reads their emails — without a judicial warrant of any kind:

The way it works is, the FISA court, through Section 702, wiretaps foreigners and then [NSA] listens to Americans. It is a backdoor search of Americans. And because they have so much data, they can tap — type Donald Trump into their vast resources of people they are tapping overseas, and they get all of his phone calls.

And so they did this to President Obama. They — 1,227 times eavesdrops on President Obama’s phone calls. Then they mask him. But here is the problem. And General Hayden said this the other day. He said even low-level employees can unmask the caller. That is probably what happened to Flynn.

They are not targeting Americans. They are targeting foreigners. But they are doing it purposefully to get to Americans.

Paul’s explanation is absolutely correct. That the NSA is empowered to spy on Americans’ communications without a warrant — in direct contravention of the core Fourth Amendment guarantee that “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause” — is the dirty little secret of the U.S. Surveillance State.

Holyshit!

Your own link!

DICKERSON: Another unanswered question in Washington, what evidence did the president have for his bombshell charge that President Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower during the campaign?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DICKERSON: You are the member of the Gang -- the so-called Gang of 8, the top leaders who get this information. Have you seen anything to suggest there are wiretaps?

RYAN: No.​

Now would be an optimal time for you to go fuck yourself.

Not really.. Trump was NOT wiretapped... His campaign was spied on. Folks tend to be very specific on serious charges. And TRUMP DIRECTLY was not surveilled that we KNOW of. Doesn't mean his CAMPAIGN was not spied on...

So Trump's actual claims- where he claimed he was wiretapped/surveiled- are false- they are lies.

And his claim that Trump Towers was wiretapped/surveiled- are false- they are lies.

And you still don't have any evidence to support the claim that his campaign was spied on.

Remember- this title is about Trump's claims that he was spied on- those are demonstrably false- they were- and are lies.

Intelligence Reports Reveal Improper Political Surveillance of Trump, Transition Team

Here's Why Nunes' Obama Spying Revelations Are Such A Big Deal

Trump transition communications were swept up in U.S. spying on foreign targets, Rep. Nunes says

Operation Condor – How NSA Director Mike Rogers Saved The U.S. From a Massive Constitutional Crisis…

http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/nunes-confirms-obama-admin-spied-on-trump-transition-team/

SAME DEEP STATE TEAM that Cleared Hillary and Spied on Trump Transition Team is Now Working with Mueller and Destroying Evidence

Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says

BOMBSHELL: The Obama Spying Scandal Started Long Before Trump

Nunes claims some Trump transition messages were intercepted

Did Obama’s Defense Deputy Just Admit Spying on Trump?

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit. Page had virtually no connection to the Trump campaign.

It's like I'm saying 'A' therefor 'B,' and you're saying "there's nothing lovelier than a tree."

Li'l Kim may not actually speak English. He posts hating points from his North Korean commanders, but there is little evidence that he has any grasp of what the shit he posts means.

He's just a troll.

He seldom addresses your points. He usually just attacks you personally, or he harps on some trivial and irrelevant error in your post.

Leftists have to attack you personally because if they didn't, they'd have nothing

LOL you telling that to Brip- when Brip attacks people personally in almost every post- is rich with irony.

Are you saying that you believe you are entitled to be treated with respect, or something?

Now that's funny!

 

[Billo_Really]

No. But every time Clapper opens his trap, he spews lies. That's what MAKES a good spook. And he's in this spying on the Trump Campaign (along with Brennan) up to the eyeballs. Couldn't have advertised that Russian Propaganda Dossier as an "Intel Report" without them .. .Money WELL SPENT by the DNC and Ms WhoreHopper.

The surveillance started before the dossier and it's the President's job to keep the country safe from foreign threats. If that means wiretapping a bunch of Russians in Trump Tower, so be it.

 

[J.E.D]

Current approval ratings

Trump 40.5%
Media 18%
Congress 14%

40%.......and you’re bragging about it.......

Swish ...

JED misses another point. There's no news here. Move along ...

What’s the point? That congress’ horrendous polling numbers make 40% seem ok?

I don't know what point you're trying to make relative to the discussion. So you're proud your fake news is believed by less than one in five people? Yeah, you're doing really well there. Trump is over double that

You know ‘media’ encompasses all news from Fox to MSNBC and in between; so, I don’t know why you’re clinging to that like it spells doom for the “liberal media”.

And again: Donald is at 40%......and you’re bragging about it

 

[J.E.D]

Current approval ratings

Trump 40.5%
Media 18%
Congress 14%

40%.......and you’re bragging about it.......

Better than you Communists are polling.

Link

 

[eagle1462010]

No. But every time Clapper opens his trap, he spews lies. That's what MAKES a good spook. And he's in this spying on the Trump Campaign (along with Brennan) up to the eyeballs. Couldn't have advertised that Russian Propaganda Dossier as an "Intel Report" without them .. .Money WELL SPENT by the DNC and Ms WhoreHopper.

The surveillance started before the dossier and it's the President's job to keep the country safe from foreign threats. If that means wiretapping a bunch of Russians in Trump Tower, so be it.

LOL

No all the Russians we're in Trump Tower.

This place cracks me up

 

[Faun]

Today's Intel tip of day for Faun and the other CNN mushrooms is on "reverse targeting"... A well-know surveillance term.. At least to people paying attention the Civil Liberties crisis here.

Pop quiz tomorrow -- read and ask questions..

Rand Paul Is Right: NSA Routinely Monitors Americans’ Communications Without Warrants

Paul explained how the NSA routinely and deliberately spies on Americans’ communications — listens to their calls and reads their emails — without a judicial warrant of any kind:

The way it works is, the FISA court, through Section 702, wiretaps foreigners and then [NSA] listens to Americans. It is a backdoor search of Americans. And because they have so much data, they can tap — type Donald Trump into their vast resources of people they are tapping overseas, and they get all of his phone calls.

And so they did this to President Obama. They — 1,227 times eavesdrops on President Obama’s phone calls. Then they mask him. But here is the problem. And General Hayden said this the other day. He said even low-level employees can unmask the caller. That is probably what happened to Flynn.

They are not targeting Americans. They are targeting foreigners. But they are doing it purposefully to get to Americans.

Paul’s explanation is absolutely correct. That the NSA is empowered to spy on Americans’ communications without a warrant — in direct contravention of the core Fourth Amendment guarantee that “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause” — is the dirty little secret of the U.S. Surveillance State.

Holyshit!

Your own link!

DICKERSON: Another unanswered question in Washington, what evidence did the president have for his bombshell charge that President Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower during the campaign?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DICKERSON: You are the member of the Gang -- the so-called Gang of 8, the top leaders who get this information. Have you seen anything to suggest there are wiretaps?

RYAN: No.​

Now would be an optimal time for you to go fuck yourself.

Not really.. Trump was NOT wiretapped... His campaign was spied on. Folks tend to be very specific on serious charges. And TRUMP DIRECTLY was not surveilled that we KNOW of. Doesn't mean his CAMPAIGN was not spied on...

So Trump's actual claims- where he claimed he was wiretapped/surveiled- are false- they are lies.

And his claim that Trump Towers was wiretapped/surveiled- are false- they are lies.

And you still don't have any evidence to support the claim that his campaign was spied on.

Remember- this title is about Trump's claims that he was spied on- those are demonstrably false- they were- and are lies.

Intelligence Reports Reveal Improper Political Surveillance of Trump, Transition Team

Here's Why Nunes' Obama Spying Revelations Are Such A Big Deal

Trump transition communications were swept up in U.S. spying on foreign targets, Rep. Nunes says

Operation Condor – How NSA Director Mike Rogers Saved The U.S. From a Massive Constitutional Crisis…

http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/nunes-confirms-obama-admin-spied-on-trump-transition-team/

SAME DEEP STATE TEAM that Cleared Hillary and Spied on Trump Transition Team is Now Working with Mueller and Destroying Evidence

Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says

BOMBSHELL: The Obama Spying Scandal Started Long Before Trump

Nunes claims some Trump transition messages were intercepted

Did Obama’s Defense Deputy Just Admit Spying on Trump?

Holyfuckingshit, there is no end to your ignorance. Your own articles explain that Trump was not spied on in Trump Tower...

The eavesdropping appears to have been legal and inadvertently picked up Trump associates because they were communicating with individuals under government surveillance, Nunes suggested.​

That was about incidents like Flynn, who was communicating with a Russian ambassador who was legally spied on. This is why Flynn is facing jail now, because he lied to federal investigators by denying such communications which they knew about because of the surveillance on the Russian ambassador.

No matter how hard you try, you still cannot prove that Trump was spied on by Obama in Trump Tower.

Trump is a liar and an utter piece of shit for levying such a charge against a former president without any proof.

 

[DrLove]

Wow, just wow....

Oh I know who she almost intimately well. Even went to Wiki to brush up a little.

 

[DrLove]

Thank's DeRpHate, you know how much your opinion means to we normals....

Your about as "normal" as your Cheeto Jesus and the other 30% of this country who worships his idiocy & madness.

Jus' sayin'

 

[Faun]

It's like I'm saying 'A' therefor 'B,' and you're saying "there's nothing lovelier than a tree."

Li'l Kim may not actually speak English. He posts hating points from his North Korean commanders, but there is little evidence that he has any grasp of what the shit he posts means.

He's just a troll.

He seldom addresses your points. He usually just attacks you personally, or he harps on some trivial and irrelevant error in your post.

Leftists have to attack you personally because if they didn't, they'd have nothing

LOL you telling that to Brip- when Brip attacks people personally in almost every post- is rich with irony.

Are you saying that you believe you are entitled to be treated with respect, or something?

Now that's funny!

You’re reading impaired, that’s not what he said. You should try focusing instead on trying to prove your idiotic claim that Obama spied on Trump in Trump Tower. It’s been over a year now and you’re no closer to proving it than you were then.

 

[Syriusly]

Could the FBI find evidence without THAT FISC order? Sure- if they have the ability to get a FISC on anyone- they could have requested one for each of Trump's campaign inner circle.

No. Actually they couldn't do that. The topic was "collusion with the Russians" and Page was their best bet on that play. Except that his contribution to the Trump Campaign was very near zero. Never attended a committee meeting. Never talked to the upper reaches of the Campaign staff.

No way the FISC would approve a request based on Russian collusion for just ANY member of the team..

Page lived in Russia while he opened Merrill Lynch over there. Is a Russian expert on their energy reserves and had COOPERATED with the FBI many times in the past. They USED him as an "unwitting" informant in their zest to get dirt on the Republican campaign staff.

Bullshit.

Page had almost no connection to the Trump campaign. There are 100 other people they could have spied on if their goal was to spy on Trump. His doorman would have yielded more information than Page.

They needed an excuse to get the FISA warrant approved. Page went to Russia. That was their excuse.

Russia tried to recruit Page as a spy.

Funny how the Trumpsters 'forget' about that......

"Tried," and failed. It's funny how all you deranged, brain-damaged snowflakes forget that.

Ah yes- apparently the attempt failed. Well then the FBI should have just forgotten about Page after that......

You Trumpsters are so desperate to cover for your Dear Leader that you are even willing to suggest compromising national security to do so.

 

[Syriusly]

Today's Intel tip of day for Faun and the other CNN mushrooms is on "reverse targeting"... A well-know surveillance term.. At least to people paying attention the Civil Liberties crisis here.

Pop quiz tomorrow -- read and ask questions..

Rand Paul Is Right: NSA Routinely Monitors Americans’ Communications Without Warrants

Paul explained how the NSA routinely and deliberately spies on Americans’ communications — listens to their calls and reads their emails — without a judicial warrant of any kind:

The way it works is, the FISA court, through Section 702, wiretaps foreigners and then [NSA] listens to Americans. It is a backdoor search of Americans. And because they have so much data, they can tap — type Donald Trump into their vast resources of people they are tapping overseas, and they get all of his phone calls.

And so they did this to President Obama. They — 1,227 times eavesdrops on President Obama’s phone calls. Then they mask him. But here is the problem. And General Hayden said this the other day. He said even low-level employees can unmask the caller. That is probably what happened to Flynn.

They are not targeting Americans. They are targeting foreigners. But they are doing it purposefully to get to Americans.

Paul’s explanation is absolutely correct. That the NSA is empowered to spy on Americans’ communications without a warrant — in direct contravention of the core Fourth Amendment guarantee that “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause” — is the dirty little secret of the U.S. Surveillance State.

Holyshit!

Your own link!

DICKERSON: Another unanswered question in Washington, what evidence did the president have for his bombshell charge that President Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower during the campaign?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DICKERSON: You are the member of the Gang -- the so-called Gang of 8, the top leaders who get this information. Have you seen anything to suggest there are wiretaps?

RYAN: No.​

Now would be an optimal time for you to go fuck yourself.

Not really.. Trump was NOT wiretapped... His campaign was spied on. Folks tend to be very specific on serious charges. And TRUMP DIRECTLY was not surveilled that we KNOW of. Doesn't mean his CAMPAIGN was not spied on...

So Trump's actual claims- where he claimed he was wiretapped/surveiled- are false- they are lies.

And his claim that Trump Towers was wiretapped/surveiled- are false- they are lies.

And you still don't have any evidence to support the claim that his campaign was spied on.

Remember- this title is about Trump's claims that he was spied on- those are demonstrably false- they were- and are lies.

Intelligence Reports Reveal Improper Political Surveillance of Trump, Transition Team

Here's Why Nunes' Obama Spying Revelations Are Such A Big Deal

Trump transition communications were swept up in U.S. spying on foreign targets, Rep. Nunes says

Operation Condor – How NSA Director Mike Rogers Saved The U.S. From a Massive Constitutional Crisis…

Nunes confirms: Obama admin spied on Trump transition team

SAME DEEP STATE TEAM that Cleared Hillary and Spied on Trump Transition Team is Now Working with Mueller and Destroying Evidence

Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says

BOMBSHELL: The Obama Spying Scandal Started Long Before Trump

Nunes claims some Trump transition messages were intercepted

Did Obama’s Defense Deputy Just Admit Spying on Trump?

Still waiting for that evidence that Trump or his campaign were spied on- that is just you vomiting a pile of links to crap.

But then again you do tend to vomit bullshit a lot.

 

[The Original Tree]

The key thing everyone should know about this timeline, is that Natalia Veselnitskya worked with Nellie Ohr for Fusion GPS as did British Spy, Christopher Steele who also worked at Orbis with Russian Spy, Skirpal who collaborated with Steele on creating The Fake Fusion GPS Dossier. Yes, that Skirpal. The one that just survived an assassination attempt via a Nerve Agent. His daughter also survived.

That "Outside Source" that British Spy Steele received his "Intel" from was Russian Spy, Sergiei Skirpal, who had been living in The UK since 2010 when he had done his sentence in Russia and then was exchanged for Anna Chapman, femme fatale female Russian Spy.

Spy vs. Spy: Skirpal, Strozk & Steele

What Everyone Won't Say About Trump Dossier: Timeline Suggests It Was Crafted by FBI/DOJ Personel

March 2016: According to a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court ruling, that was made public in May, 2017 due to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests by conservative watch-group Judicial Watch, it was discovered that there was a high amount of illegal surveillance of United States citizens in 2016 specifically using a tool called “About Queries”—section 702(17) in the FISA statute governing surveillance, which specifically relate to the collection of electronic messaging, emails and upstream phone call surveillance data of U.S. persons. Sometime in early 2016, Admiral Mike Rogers, the head of National Security Agency (NSA), became aware of “ongoing” and “intentional” violations of FISA, and ordered a comprehensive review. Important dates for the timeline here presented, referenced by the FISA ruling include March 9, 2016, and April 18, 2016. That ruling also specifically points out the use of “private contractors” who were given access to the NSA data collected by the FBI using “About Queries.”

An example of how the 702(17) “upstream” or “incidental” surveillance works would be like this, and especially as it relates to its use to spy on Trump associates—a confirmed fact:

• 
  
  
  • Where is foreign person “Natalia Veselnitskya‘s” cell phone? (input phone number)… [She is the woman who met with Trump Jr. in June]. Oh, she’s in Trump Tower,… OK, great. FISA-702 Query “all ip addresses and cell phone communication within Trump Tower.” Review data, fill out FISA query authorization form explaining the reason for the FISA second query. Easy peasy, legal. That query then becomes a valid “FISA warrant,” but “Warrant” is really a misnomer based on traditional lingo.
  • The second search, [part 17] is actually a legally approved FISA-702 “query”, not really a “warrant”; the FISA-702 (U.S. individual or entity) search query (form required) is a result of a valid search query upon a foreign actor (no form required). The 702 authorization form is what people mistakenly refer to as the “warrant”.

Sundance claims that sources have told him, one of those private contractors was indeed Fusion GPS. While that is not known, or confirmable, what is known is that Simpson refused to answer questions about source verification for the Trump dossier in his August 22, 2017 testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee—this testimony was recently made public when the ranking Democrat on the committee, Diane Feinstein (D-CA) released it to the public. From it, you can see that Simpson never verified anything he “received” from Steele. We also know that Steele, in court documents in his defamation suit in England, has acknowledged that the dossier’s contents are unsubstantiated, and more noteworthy that none of it was due to his first-hand sleuthing, as originally thought, but rather that he had “received” the intel from outside sources, which he has also refused to name.

As reported by Tabletmag, Mary Jacoby, wife of Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson, boasted on June 24, 2017, on Facebook that her husband deserves the “lion’s share of credit for Russiagate.” Due to this boast, Lee Smith, the author of the Tabletmag piece, surmises that the entire dossier might actually be based on several articles that Jacoby and her husband had penned on Paul Manafort’s shady Russian connections, since neither Steele nor, Nellie Ohr, who were both employed by Fusion GPS, and worked on the dossier, had any real substantive and recent Russia contacts. Jacoby and Simpson had already spent years doing research into Manafort, who on March 28, 2016 became the campaign chair for Donald Trump’s presidential team.

Simpson also already had an established working relationship with DOJ Deputy Bruce Ohr and his wife Nellie Ohr—whose names will become more important in the construction of the Trump Dossier—as they had worked together on a collaborative CIA Open Source group project surrounding International Organized Crime in 2010, the year before he founded Fusion GPS. As the following story relates, it is probable that Jacoby’s and Simpson’s research into Manafort is not what Jacoby is referring to when claiming the credit for the Russia project should largely go to her husband, rather, it is due to far more nefarious behavior.

Important note: By the middle of March, Trump had already won enough primaries to be considered the clear-frontrunner for nominee, and by March 16th, there were only two challengers remaining in the Republican field. Simpson had already engaged in research into candidate Trump commissioned by the Washington Free Beacon, and by his own admission in testimony, had come to the conclusion that Trump was unfit for office, due to several business connections with unsavory people, some with connections to the Russian mob. Republicans did not pay for the Trump dossier. That was an entirely separate project, as Simpson made clear in testimony to Congress.

April 18, 2016: Per the FISA court ruling, we now know that on this date, the “sub-contractors” who had been given access to FISA “About Queries” material, was discontinued. Then-FBI Director James Comey misled Congress in March 2017 when assuring them that no unauthorized viewing of FISA data occurred. It wasn’t until May 2017 that the FISA court ruling was made public which showed this to be untrue, and that specifically surveilled material on American citizens had been shared with third parties illegally under Comey’s FBI. Why did he hide this behavior from Congress? The answer seems patently obvious: he wanted to shield himself as much as possible from people knowing about the illegal activity he was engaged in.

April 19, 2016: According to visitor logs, a Mary B. Jacoby, is listed as visiting the White House. So, the day after the “sub-contractors” are cut-off from access to the 702(17) surveillance information, a woman, with the same name as the wife of Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS, is seen to visit the White House. Coincidence? Not if you consider what follows.

At the end of the month we come to find both the DNC and the Hillary Campaign paid Perkins Coi, a law firm, to retain Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research on Donald Trump—something Simpson left out of his “helpful” testimony before the Judiciary Committee. That same month we also find Perkins Coi being paid nearly $100,000 by the Obama campaign for “legal services.” Then Nellie Ohr is brought on to work for Fusion GPS—remember, she is the wife of Bruce G. Ohr, who was a senior DOJ official—also, something not mentioned in Simpson’s “transparent” testimony.

May 2016: George Papadopoulos met with Australian, Alexander Downer and relates that it has come to his knowledge that the Russians have “dirt” on Hillary. This story did not come out until December 30, 2017. In it, The New York Times is quoting “intelligence sources”, which is another way of saying leaks, who claimed that the hacking of the DNC and the revelation that a member of the Trump campaign may have had inside information about it were driving factors that led the F.B.I. to open an investigation in late July 2016 into Russia’s attempts to disrupt the election and whether any of President Trump’s associates conspired. Update: We now know that the meat of the Trump dossier was known to the FBI long before this meeting was ever known and that it merely served as a pretext to officially open an investigation even though what would form the basis for “legal”surveillance of Trump associates was was already well underway.

May 23, 2016: Knowing the NSA was reviewing FISA “Queries”, and intellectually accepting the resulting information from those queries was likely part of the framework put together by Glenn Simpson and Mary Jacoby, we discover that GPS employee Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license. Why? Probably to escape communication being picked up by the NSA review that was ongoing, as information over that medium is not stored by NSA servers.

June 2016: Sometime in June, Christopher Steele is brought on to begin to “research” and “develop” what would become the Trump dossier. We now know, from Simpson’s testimony before the Judiciary committee that Steele had informed him he had met with someone at the FBI about his initial three pages of information, which was given to Simpson on June 20, 2016. So the FBI knew about the dossier very early in its creation. However, what was contained in those pages? Nothing of interest had happened that was publicly known, and the only event involving anyone related to the Trump campaign at that time was Trump Jr.’s meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya on June 10, in which she was promising “dirt” on Clinton, and to which she took information she had received from Simpson, something he says he was unaware of. We now know that Simpson was with Vesletnitskaya both the day before and after that meeting, meetings he claims were entirely innocent, and where, according to him, no conversation between the two took place. That Trump Jr. meeting never made it into the dossier, rather it was first reported by the New York Times in July 2017. So what information could possibly have been gathered, contained in three memos, and delivered to the FBI in June? Something non-public, and something that had been gathered earlier. It was also in this month that we find the first FISA warrant is applied for, and denied citing lack of evidence, and the fact that it is overly broad in its application.

June 14, 2016: The press first reported that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) had been breached by supposed Russian hackers, under the guise of the website DCLeaks. This has never been proven, but there exists substantial circumstantial evidence to support the notion that it was the Russians. They engaged in a technique known as “spear phishing” and did not obtain any material of merit. Their efforts yield little, though they were active for nearly a year, from the summer 2015 to April 2016, trying to gain access to people within the DNC. The attacker was knocked out of the DNC network during the weekend of June 11 and 12, 2016.

This information will become vital later because the Russian hacking will become a huge part of the narrative created after the election to show that Russia was trying to help Trump. This story was not that big of a deal at the time because it didn’t really damage Clinton and was fairly routine hacking.

June 20 2016: The first three pages of the dossier are delivered. Contained within those first three pages of the dossier were quotes from a large number of anonymous sources, such as, “a former top level Russian intelligence officer still active inside the Kremlin”, “a senior Russian foreign ministry figure”, “a senior Russian financial official”, and “a senior Kremlin official”. The report claims to have sources from inside the president-elect’s inner circle as well. Here too we get the scurrilous claims about supposed perverted sex acts involving Trump that the Russian FSB recorded and were using as blackmail material against him. We also have in these three pages the references to the “cultivation” of Trump by the Russians in the context of his real estate dealings, and the allegation that the Russians have “dirt” on Clinton—something that tracks with Simpsons own earlier research into Trump, and with what Vesletnitskaya was offering Trump Jr., something which may have been picked up by surveillance, even if Simpson didn’t stage the meeting between the two.

July 2016: According to James Comey’s own testimony in March 2017, the counter-intelligence investigation into Donald Trump’s, campaign’s alleged collusion with the Russians began in July. By this time, Steele had already met with someone at the FBI, and a FISA warrant authorizing surveillance into Trump’s team was requested and denied. The only thing that existed at that time, and could have been presented to the court, was the three pages of the so-called dossier, and that Trump Jr. meeting. The only other information that could possibly exist was what had been put together from Simpson’s advanced work on the ‘Trump Project’—in March and early April, before their access to 702(17) data was taken away. This non-public “intelligence” gleaned from the surveillance use of 702(17) information in March and April—seen by Fusion GPS?—before being stopped, in all likelihood formed the foundation of what was then passed on, probably by Nellie Ohr’s ham radio, to Steele who added his own ingredients to the mix, turned around, and gave the end product back to the FBI, essentially creating an end product that was laundered, illegally obtained, FBI FISA intelligence, now forming the beginnings of what would come to be called the “The Trump/Russia Dossier.”

FULL ARTICLE: What Everyone Won't Say About Trump Dossier: Timeline Suggests It Was Crafted by FBI/DOJ Personel

 

[The Original Tree]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This above is what you call a Thread Ender.

Or as some like to say HARD COLD FACTS.

Now does anyone even think for a second Mueller will look in to this?

Of course not. That is not his job. His job is to Obstruct President Trump and his Team's Agenda, and to smear them with an endless never ending parade of leaks and petty smears and innuendos. He has to do this to continue to justify his existence, his salary and the exorbitant amount of money he is spending, and he has to keep this going if he can up to the Midterms and if possible all the way to 2020.

There was actually No legal justification for Mueller's appointment. In fact, Rosenstein and company had to violate the rules on appointing a Special Counsel to appoint Mueller.

This Investigation is a done deal. It's toast. Nothing will come of it except Mueller trying to slap around a few people with "Gotcha Charges" when they make a misstatement or verbally contradict written Testimony.

It's a game of cat and mouse and The Dem's chances of success entirely depend on whether or not they can keep the ruse going through the midterms and beyond.

 

[Syriusly]

The key thing everyone should know about this timeline, is that Natalia Veselnitskya worked with Nellie Ohr for Fusion GPS as did British Spy, Christopher Steele who also worked at Orbis with Russian Spy, Skirpal who collaborated with Steele on creating The Fake Fusion GPS Dossier. Yes, that Skirpal. The one that just survived an assassination attempt via a Nerve Agent. His daughter also survived.

That "Outside Source" that British Spy Steele received his "Intel" from was Russian Spy, Sergiei Skirpal, who had been living in The UK since 2010 when he had done his sentence in Russia and then was exchanged for Anna Chapman, femme fatale female Russian Spy.

Spy vs. Spy: Skirpal, Strozk & Steele

What Everyone Won't Say About Trump Dossier: Timeline Suggests It Was Crafted by FBI/DOJ Personel

March 2016: According to a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court ruling, that was made public in May, 2017 due to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests by conservative watch-group Judicial Watch, it was discovered that there was a high amount of illegal surveillance of United States citizens in 2016 specifically using a tool called “About Queries”—section 702(17) in the FISA statute governing surveillance, which specifically relate to the collection of electronic messaging, emails and upstream phone call surveillance data of U.S. persons. Sometime in early 2016, Admiral Mike Rogers, the head of National Security Agency (NSA), became aware of “ongoing” and “intentional” violations of FISA, and ordered a comprehensive review. Important dates for the timeline here presented, referenced by the FISA ruling include March 9, 2016, and April 18, 2016. That ruling also specifically points out the use of “private contractors” who were given access to the NSA data collected by the FBI using “About Queries.”

An example of how the 702(17) “upstream” or “incidental” surveillance works would be like this, and especially as it relates to its use to spy on Trump associates—a confirmed fact:

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  • Where is foreign person “Natalia Veselnitskya‘s” cell phone? (input phone number)… [She is the woman who met with Trump Jr. in June]. Oh, she’s in Trump Tower,… OK, great. FISA-702 Query “all ip addresses and cell phone communication within Trump Tower.” Review data, fill out FISA query authorization form explaining the reason for the FISA second query. Easy peasy, legal. That query then becomes a valid “FISA warrant,” but “Warrant” is really a misnomer based on traditional lingo.
  • The second search, [part 17] is actually a legally approved FISA-702 “query”, not really a “warrant”; the FISA-702 (U.S. individual or entity) search query (form required) is a result of a valid search query upon a foreign actor (no form required). The 702 authorization form is what people mistakenly refer to as the “warrant”.

Sundance claims that sources have told him, one of those private contractors was indeed Fusion GPS. While that is not known, or confirmable, what is known is that Simpson refused to answer questions about source verification for the Trump dossier in his August 22, 2017 testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee—this testimony was recently made public when the ranking Democrat on the committee, Diane Feinstein (D-CA) released it to the public. From it, you can see that Simpson never verified anything he “received” from Steele. We also know that Steele, in court documents in his defamation suit in England, has acknowledged that the dossier’s contents are unsubstantiated, and more noteworthy that none of it was due to his first-hand sleuthing, as originally thought, but rather that he had “received” the intel from outside sources, which he has also refused to name.

As reported by Tabletmag, Mary Jacoby, wife of Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson, boasted on June 24, 2017, on Facebook that her husband deserves the “lion’s share of credit for Russiagate.” Due to this boast, Lee Smith, the author of the Tabletmag piece, surmises that the entire dossier might actually be based on several articles that Jacoby and her husband had penned on Paul Manafort’s shady Russian connections, since neither Steele nor, Nellie Ohr, who were both employed by Fusion GPS, and worked on the dossier, had any real substantive and recent Russia contacts. Jacoby and Simpson had already spent years doing research into Manafort, who on March 28, 2016 became the campaign chair for Donald Trump’s presidential team.

Simpson also already had an established working relationship with DOJ Deputy Bruce Ohr and his wife Nellie Ohr—whose names will become more important in the construction of the Trump Dossier—as they had worked together on a collaborative CIA Open Source group project surrounding International Organized Crime in 2010, the year before he founded Fusion GPS. As the following story relates, it is probable that Jacoby’s and Simpson’s research into Manafort is not what Jacoby is referring to when claiming the credit for the Russia project should largely go to her husband, rather, it is due to far more nefarious behavior.

Important note: By the middle of March, Trump had already won enough primaries to be considered the clear-frontrunner for nominee, and by March 16th, there were only two challengers remaining in the Republican field. Simpson had already engaged in research into candidate Trump commissioned by the Washington Free Beacon, and by his own admission in testimony, had come to the conclusion that Trump was unfit for office, due to several business connections with unsavory people, some with connections to the Russian mob. Republicans did not pay for the Trump dossier. That was an entirely separate project, as Simpson made clear in testimony to Congress.

April 18, 2016: Per the FISA court ruling, we now know that on this date, the “sub-contractors” who had been given access to FISA “About Queries” material, was discontinued. Then-FBI Director James Comey misled Congress in March 2017 when assuring them that no unauthorized viewing of FISA data occurred. It wasn’t until May 2017 that the FISA court ruling was made public which showed this to be untrue, and that specifically surveilled material on American citizens had been shared with third parties illegally under Comey’s FBI. Why did he hide this behavior from Congress? The answer seems patently obvious: he wanted to shield himself as much as possible from people knowing about the illegal activity he was engaged in.

April 19, 2016: According to visitor logs, a Mary B. Jacoby, is listed as visiting the White House. So, the day after the “sub-contractors” are cut-off from access to the 702(17) surveillance information, a woman, with the same name as the wife of Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS, is seen to visit the White House. Coincidence? Not if you consider what follows.

At the end of the month we come to find both the DNC and the Hillary Campaign paid Perkins Coi, a law firm, to retain Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research on Donald Trump—something Simpson left out of his “helpful” testimony before the Judiciary Committee. That same month we also find Perkins Coi being paid nearly $100,000 by the Obama campaign for “legal services.” Then Nellie Ohr is brought on to work for Fusion GPS—remember, she is the wife of Bruce G. Ohr, who was a senior DOJ official—also, something not mentioned in Simpson’s “transparent” testimony.

May 2016: George Papadopoulos met with Australian, Alexander Downer and relates that it has come to his knowledge that the Russians have “dirt” on Hillary. This story did not come out until December 30, 2017. In it, The New York Times is quoting “intelligence sources”, which is another way of saying leaks, who claimed that the hacking of the DNC and the revelation that a member of the Trump campaign may have had inside information about it were driving factors that led the F.B.I. to open an investigation in late July 2016 into Russia’s attempts to disrupt the election and whether any of President Trump’s associates conspired. Update: We now know that the meat of the Trump dossier was known to the FBI long before this meeting was ever known and that it merely served as a pretext to officially open an investigation even though what would form the basis for “legal”surveillance of Trump associates was was already well underway.

May 23, 2016: Knowing the NSA was reviewing FISA “Queries”, and intellectually accepting the resulting information from those queries was likely part of the framework put together by Glenn Simpson and Mary Jacoby, we discover that GPS employee Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license. Why? Probably to escape communication being picked up by the NSA review that was ongoing, as information over that medium is not stored by NSA servers.

June 2016: Sometime in June, Christopher Steele is brought on to begin to “research” and “develop” what would become the Trump dossier. We now know, from Simpson’s testimony before the Judiciary committee that Steele had informed him he had met with someone at the FBI about his initial three pages of information, which was given to Simpson on June 20, 2016. So the FBI knew about the dossier very early in its creation. However, what was contained in those pages? Nothing of interest had happened that was publicly known, and the only event involving anyone related to the Trump campaign at that time was Trump Jr.’s meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya on June 10, in which she was promising “dirt” on Clinton, and to which she took information she had received from Simpson, something he says he was unaware of. We now know that Simpson was with Vesletnitskaya both the day before and after that meeting, meetings he claims were entirely innocent, and where, according to him, no conversation between the two took place. That Trump Jr. meeting never made it into the dossier, rather it was first reported by the New York Times in July 2017. So what information could possibly have been gathered, contained in three memos, and delivered to the FBI in June? Something non-public, and something that had been gathered earlier. It was also in this month that we find the first FISA warrant is applied for, and denied citing lack of evidence, and the fact that it is overly broad in its application.

June 14, 2016: The press first reported that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) had been breached by supposed Russian hackers, under the guise of the website DCLeaks. This has never been proven, but there exists substantial circumstantial evidence to support the notion that it was the Russians. They engaged in a technique known as “spear phishing” and did not obtain any material of merit. Their efforts yield little, though they were active for nearly a year, from the summer 2015 to April 2016, trying to gain access to people within the DNC. The attacker was knocked out of the DNC network during the weekend of June 11 and 12, 2016.

This information will become vital later because the Russian hacking will become a huge part of the narrative created after the election to show that Russia was trying to help Trump. This story was not that big of a deal at the time because it didn’t really damage Clinton and was fairly routine hacking.

June 20 2016: The first three pages of the dossier are delivered. Contained within those first three pages of the dossier were quotes from a large number of anonymous sources, such as, “a former top level Russian intelligence officer still active inside the Kremlin”, “a senior Russian foreign ministry figure”, “a senior Russian financial official”, and “a senior Kremlin official”. The report claims to have sources from inside the president-elect’s inner circle as well. Here too we get the scurrilous claims about supposed perverted sex acts involving Trump that the Russian FSB recorded and were using as blackmail material against him. We also have in these three pages the references to the “cultivation” of Trump by the Russians in the context of his real estate dealings, and the allegation that the Russians have “dirt” on Clinton—something that tracks with Simpsons own earlier research into Trump, and with what Vesletnitskaya was offering Trump Jr., something which may have been picked up by surveillance, even if Simpson didn’t stage the meeting between the two.

July 2016: According to James Comey’s own testimony in March 2017, the counter-intelligence investigation into Donald Trump’s, campaign’s alleged collusion with the Russians began in July. By this time, Steele had already met with someone at the FBI, and a FISA warrant authorizing surveillance into Trump’s team was requested and denied. The only thing that existed at that time, and could have been presented to the court, was the three pages of the so-called dossier, and that Trump Jr. meeting. The only other information that could possibly exist was what had been put together from Simpson’s advanced work on the ‘Trump Project’—in March and early April, before their access to 702(17) data was taken away. This non-public “intelligence” gleaned from the surveillance use of 702(17) information in March and April—seen by Fusion GPS?—before being stopped, in all likelihood formed the foundation of what was then passed on, probably by Nellie Ohr’s ham radio, to Steele who added his own ingredients to the mix, turned around, and gave the end product back to the FBI, essentially creating an end product that was laundered, illegally obtained, FBI FISA intelligence, now forming the beginnings of what would come to be called the “The Trump/Russia Dossier.”

FULL ARTICLE: What Everyone Won't Say About Trump Dossier: Timeline Suggests It Was Crafted by FBI/DOJ Personel

LOL-

Still not a bit of evidence that Trump or his campaign was spied on.

 

[Syriusly]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This above is what you call a Thread Ender.

Or as some like to say HARD COLD FACTS.

Now does anyone even think for a second Mueller will look in to this?

Of course not. That is not his job. His job is to Obstruct President Trump and his Team's Agenda, and to smear them

Or as we rational people like to call it- the loony rants of a die hard Trump supporter.

You Trumpsters will say anything to smear anyone who you perceive to be a threat to your Dear Leader.

That is your job.

 

[kaz]

No. But every time Clapper opens his trap, he spews lies. That's what MAKES a good spook. And he's in this spying on the Trump Campaign (along with Brennan) up to the eyeballs. Couldn't have advertised that Russian Propaganda Dossier as an "Intel Report" without them .. .Money WELL SPENT by the DNC and Ms WhoreHopper.

The surveillance started before the dossier and it's the President's job to keep the country safe from foreign threats. If that means wiretapping a bunch of Russians in Trump Tower, so be it.

So the Constitution is no obstacle to keeping "the country safe from foreign threats." On the other hand, building a wall to keep "the country safe from foreign threats" such as a million criminals walking across the border from a third world shit hole, then suddenly keeping "the country safe from foreign threats" isn't a thing to you.

You have twice as many standards as a normal person since they are all double

 

[kaz]

Current approval ratings

Trump 40.5%
Media 18%
Congress 14%

40%.......and you’re bragging about it.......

Swish ...

JED misses another point. There's no news here. Move along ...

What’s the point? That congress’ horrendous polling numbers make 40% seem ok?

I don't know what point you're trying to make relative to the discussion. So you're proud your fake news is believed by less than one in five people? Yeah, you're doing really well there. Trump is over double that

You know ‘media’ encompasses all news from Fox to MSNBC and in between; so, I don’t know why you’re clinging to that like it spells doom for the “liberal media”.

And again: Donald is at 40%......and you’re bragging about it

Strawman. I pointed out your ridiculous standard of crowing about Trump's polling while your fake news and Nancy Pelosi have wet dreams about his approval numbers. And obviously Fake News is driving the media polling