What do normal people, think of the Palestinians?

[cnm]

Too secret for Phoenall to say where they are. As an aside, Mindful has never managed it either.

 

[Coyote]

montelatici, et al,

Many revolutionaries, terrorists, guerrillas, and insurgents (anti-government forces in general) attempt to masquerade as freedom fighters; trying to wrap themselves in a flag of patriotism. And while it is true, that some patriotic nation builders started out as revolutionaries, terrorists and insurgents, the Arab Palestinian are neither patriotic or nation builders --- aready given ample time and opportunity to demonstrate both and failing at both.

haissem123, et al,

Throughout recorded history, and the Middle East having more than most, are annals and annal of legendary exploits of armies and kings on conquests and quests to units lands under a single banner. They were all expansionist and taking by force what they could. Muhammad (PBUH) was just such a person, at war for more than a decade (622 - 632) within the region on the road to Mecca. He was the first among the Jihadist that raided, brought sieges upon --- using coercion, intimidation and used hegemonic diplomacy, to establish allies or subdued and suppress a whole host of Arab tribes, settlements and cities of the Arabian peninsula in their struggle to overcome the powerful regional merchants.

they want to the u.n. and other police agaencies, which u.s. and britian were supposed to be a just ones of these police and they found all these agencies weak and corrupted by the money and violence the zionist nazi faction has. we'll all pay for our cowardice of letting these injustices go on in our names,.

(COMMENT)

One of the great problems in the later part of the 20th Century were the developments behind the fundamental ideas that:

• The Allies Powers should act as the "World Police;" and actively going out and subduing and suppressing evil doers.
• The Allied Powers should take those bold steps to carve-out places of safety and security for people and cultures historically treated unfairly.

Believe me, the US and the other Allied Powers understand the costs and have paid the price, over and over again.

As for the cowardice and injustices gone in the name of the UN and Allied Powers, that remains to be seen. The perpetual victims (AKA Arab Palestinians) have never demonstrated any propensity for heroism and justice. They are just in it for themselves, never look at the causes greater then themselves which is the hallmark of heroism. In the end, history will not look kindly on the people that used terrorism and murder in their vindictive quest to expand another failed state.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are full of crap. History will look just as kindly at the Palestinians as they have towards the Algerian, South African and other freedom fighters fighting a foreign occupation/colonization.

(QUESTION)

Which one of these is not like the other?

​

Answer: Of course the answer is " Menachem Begin." Why? Because his was the only effort that actually resulted in self-rule and a successful government.

(COMMENT)

Terrorism is “the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”
And an insurgency is “an organized resistance movement that uses subversion, sabotage, and armed conflict to achieve its aims. Insurgencies normally seek to overthrow the existing social order and reallocate power within the country. Used in tandem they attempt to:

(1) Overthrow an established government without a follow-on social revolution.
(2) Establish an autonomous national territory within the borders of a state.
(3) Cause the withdrawal of an occupying power.
(4) Extract political concessions that are unattainable through less violent means."​

The Arab Palestinian resistance fits this bill perfectly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Menachem Begin was a terrorist.

From 1943 to 1948 he was the Commander of Irgun. That was a period that saw a significant escalation in attacks AIMED at civilians: List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia Weapons included barrel bombs, bombings at public spaces, markets, buses, cinemas.

THAT is terrorism and those who perpetrate it are terrorists NOT insurgents, NOT freedom fighters.

 

[RoccoR]

Coyote, et al,

Yes, you are correct. In fact I have a wanted poster for " Menachem Begin." And you are correct in the description of a "terrorist."

montelatici, et al,

Many revolutionaries, terrorists, guerrillas, and insurgents (anti-government forces in general) attempt to masquerade as freedom fighters; trying to wrap themselves in a flag of patriotism. And while it is true, that some patriotic nation builders started out as revolutionaries, terrorists and insurgents, the Arab Palestinian are neither patriotic or nation builders --- aready given ample time and opportunity to demonstrate both and failing at both.

haissem123, et al,

Throughout recorded history, and the Middle East having more than most, are annals and annal of legendary exploits of armies and kings on conquests and quests to units lands under a single banner. They were all expansionist and taking by force what they could. Muhammad (PBUH) was just such a person, at war for more than a decade (622 - 632) within the region on the road to Mecca. He was the first among the Jihadist that raided, brought sieges upon --- using coercion, intimidation and used hegemonic diplomacy, to establish allies or subdued and suppress a whole host of Arab tribes, settlements and cities of the Arabian peninsula in their struggle to overcome the powerful regional merchants.

they want to the u.n. and other police agaencies, which u.s. and britian were supposed to be a just ones of these police and they found all these agencies weak and corrupted by the money and violence the zionist nazi faction has. we'll all pay for our cowardice of letting these injustices go on in our names,.

(COMMENT)

One of the great problems in the later part of the 20th Century were the developments behind the fundamental ideas that:

• The Allies Powers should act as the "World Police;" and actively going out and subduing and suppressing evil doers.
• The Allied Powers should take those bold steps to carve-out places of safety and security for people and cultures historically treated unfairly.

Believe me, the US and the other Allied Powers understand the costs and have paid the price, over and over again.

As for the cowardice and injustices gone in the name of the UN and Allied Powers, that remains to be seen. The perpetual victims (AKA Arab Palestinians) have never demonstrated any propensity for heroism and justice. They are just in it for themselves, never look at the causes greater then themselves which is the hallmark of heroism. In the end, history will not look kindly on the people that used terrorism and murder in their vindictive quest to expand another failed state.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are full of crap. History will look just as kindly at the Palestinians as they have towards the Algerian, South African and other freedom fighters fighting a foreign occupation/colonization.

(QUESTION)

Which one of these is not like the other?

​

Answer: Of course the answer is " Menachem Begin." Why? Because his was the only effort that actually resulted in self-rule and a successful government.

(COMMENT)

Terrorism is “the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”
And an insurgency is “an organized resistance movement that uses subversion, sabotage, and armed conflict to achieve its aims. Insurgencies normally seek to overthrow the existing social order and reallocate power within the country. Used in tandem they attempt to:

(1) Overthrow an established government without a follow-on social revolution.
(2) Establish an autonomous national territory within the borders of a state.
(3) Cause the withdrawal of an occupying power.
(4) Extract political concessions that are unattainable through less violent means."​

The Arab Palestinian resistance fits this bill perfectly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Menachem Begin was a terrorist.

From 1943 to 1948 he was the Commander of Irgun. That was a period that saw a significant escalation in attacks AIMED at civilians: List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia Weapons included barrel bombs, bombings at public spaces, markets, buses, cinemas.

THAT is terrorism and those who perpetrate it are terrorists NOT insurgents, NOT freedom fighters.

(COMMENT)

Of course the answer is "Menachem Begin." Why? Because his was the only effort that actually resulted in self-rule and a successful government.

And yes, we agree that the tactics and techniques of terrorist often include "barrel bombs, bombings at public spaces, markets, buses, cinemas;" as well as hijackings. piracy, Olympic massacres, and indiscriminate rocket fire with the occasional kidnapping and murder. But in the case of the Hostile Arab Palestinian, this multi-generational conflict has not had a single success. Where as "Menachem Begin" became the sixth Prime Minister of the State of Israel; a successful state - a thriving state, and a prosperous state. THAT! is the difference between the efforts initiated by the Israeli and the Palestinian.

The Palestinian (modeled after a number of failed terrorist insurgencies) wants to dismantle the State of Israel and replace it with another Arab failed state; instead of entering into a prosperous collaborative effort. If the Palestinian Leaders were really working in the best interest of their people, then sovereignty wouldn't be an issue at all. It would be about building a better nation, a peaceful nation, a stable and economically successful nation. But that is not the case. You never hear them speak of these successes, only conflicts of territory and power.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Coyote]

Coyote, et al,

Yes, you are correct. In fact I have a wanted poster for " Menachem Begin." And you are correct in the description of a "terrorist."

montelatici, et al,

Many revolutionaries, terrorists, guerrillas, and insurgents (anti-government forces in general) attempt to masquerade as freedom fighters; trying to wrap themselves in a flag of patriotism. And while it is true, that some patriotic nation builders started out as revolutionaries, terrorists and insurgents, the Arab Palestinian are neither patriotic or nation builders --- aready given ample time and opportunity to demonstrate both and failing at both.

haissem123, et al,

Throughout recorded history, and the Middle East having more than most, are annals and annal of legendary exploits of armies and kings on conquests and quests to units lands under a single banner. They were all expansionist and taking by force what they could. Muhammad (PBUH) was just such a person, at war for more than a decade (622 - 632) within the region on the road to Mecca. He was the first among the Jihadist that raided, brought sieges upon --- using coercion, intimidation and used hegemonic diplomacy, to establish allies or subdued and suppress a whole host of Arab tribes, settlements and cities of the Arabian peninsula in their struggle to overcome the powerful regional merchants.

they want to the u.n. and other police agaencies, which u.s. and britian were supposed to be a just ones of these police and they found all these agencies weak and corrupted by the money and violence the zionist nazi faction has. we'll all pay for our cowardice of letting these injustices go on in our names,.

(COMMENT)

One of the great problems in the later part of the 20th Century were the developments behind the fundamental ideas that:

• The Allies Powers should act as the "World Police;" and actively going out and subduing and suppressing evil doers.
• The Allied Powers should take those bold steps to carve-out places of safety and security for people and cultures historically treated unfairly.

Believe me, the US and the other Allied Powers understand the costs and have paid the price, over and over again.

As for the cowardice and injustices gone in the name of the UN and Allied Powers, that remains to be seen. The perpetual victims (AKA Arab Palestinians) have never demonstrated any propensity for heroism and justice. They are just in it for themselves, never look at the causes greater then themselves which is the hallmark of heroism. In the end, history will not look kindly on the people that used terrorism and murder in their vindictive quest to expand another failed state.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are full of crap. History will look just as kindly at the Palestinians as they have towards the Algerian, South African and other freedom fighters fighting a foreign occupation/colonization.

(QUESTION)

Which one of these is not like the other?

​

Answer: Of course the answer is " Menachem Begin." Why? Because his was the only effort that actually resulted in self-rule and a successful government.

(COMMENT)

Terrorism is “the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”
And an insurgency is “an organized resistance movement that uses subversion, sabotage, and armed conflict to achieve its aims. Insurgencies normally seek to overthrow the existing social order and reallocate power within the country. Used in tandem they attempt to:

(1) Overthrow an established government without a follow-on social revolution.
(2) Establish an autonomous national territory within the borders of a state.
(3) Cause the withdrawal of an occupying power.
(4) Extract political concessions that are unattainable through less violent means."​

The Arab Palestinian resistance fits this bill perfectly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Menachem Begin was a terrorist.

From 1943 to 1948 he was the Commander of Irgun. That was a period that saw a significant escalation in attacks AIMED at civilians: List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia Weapons included barrel bombs, bombings at public spaces, markets, buses, cinemas.

THAT is terrorism and those who perpetrate it are terrorists NOT insurgents, NOT freedom fighters.

(COMMENT)

Of course the answer is "Menachem Begin." Why? Because his was the only effort that actually resulted in self-rule and a successful government.

And yes, we agree that the tactics and techniques of terrorist often include "barrel bombs, bombings at public spaces, markets, buses, cinemas;" as well as hijackings. piracy, Olympic massacres, and indiscriminate rocket fire with the occasional kidnapping and murder. But in the case of the Hostile Arab Palestinian, this multi-generational conflict has not had a single success. Where as "Menachem Begin" became the sixth Prime Minister of the State of Israel; a successful state - a thriving state, and a prosperous state. THAT! is the difference between the efforts initiated by the Israeli and the Palestinian.

The Palestinian (modeled after a number of failed terrorist insurgencies) wants to dismantle the State of Israel and replace it with another Arab failed state; instead of entering into a prosperous collaborative effort. If the Palestinian Leaders were really working in the best interest of their people, then sovereignty wouldn't be an issue at all. It would be about building a better nation, a peaceful nation, a stable and economically successful nation. But that is not the case. You never hear them speak of these successes, only conflicts of territory and power.

Most Respectfully,
R

I see what you are saying Rocco - but what I see is also an attempt being made to white wash a terrorist. He WAS a terrorist. He has the blood of innocent people on his hands and his actions are just as cold and calculated and barbaric as Hamas. The ONLY differrence is that he won his state, and he won the chance to prove he could govern in peace. But that doesn't change what he did and what he is. He is no freedom fighter. He is no insurgent. He is a terrorist who is a bit better organized.

But he is a terrorist.

 

[RoccoR]

Coyote, et al,

We agree. From a British and Palestinian perspective, and maybe even in retrospect, it is fair to say that he "was" a terrorist.

I see what you are saying Rocco - but what I see is also an attempt being made to white wash a terrorist. He WAS a terrorist. He has the blood of innocent people on his hands and his actions are just as cold and calculated and barbaric as Hamas. The ONLY differrence is that he won his state, and he won the chance to prove he could govern in peace. But that doesn't change what he did and what he is. He is no freedom fighter. He is no insurgent. He is a terrorist who is a bit better organized.

But he is a terrorist.

(COMMENT)

Yet, in the end, when you put him in the line-up of all the other contemporary terrorists, his overall accomplishments towards the welfare of his people made all the difference. None of us are all the pure. The great the challenges we face, the greater the accomplishments we achieve; but also, the greater the impact of our mistakes that will haunt us forever.

We must always look at the intent and the lifetime achievements of the personalities involved. In the case of "Menachem Begin" --- yes a one-time terrorist --- he strived to build something new and fantastic for his people; a land where they would be protected for ever --- prosperous, economically successful, and free from the perils that have followed them though the ages. We simply do not see that in any line-up of Arab Palestinian leaders from the time of Syrian-born Izz ad-Din al-Qassam (Sheikh Palestinian Black Hand) to the modern day Yasser Arafat (PLO Chairman) Mahmoud Abbas [Abu Mazen] (President of thePalestinian Authority), Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi (Chairman HAMAS), Khaled Meshaal (Political Chairman). Simply fighting against Israel is not the same thing as fighting for the betterment of the Palestinian people.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[SAYIT]

Indeed, not unlike any other people who defend/liberate their countries.

You may try to fool yourself by using rhetorical tricks to show that you support the intentional murder of innocent people due to your hatred of their ethnicity, but intelligent people see right through it.

Murdering people in cold blood is not an act that defends or liberates, even if you or Beez or Coyote or Penelope or any other tries to rationalize your way out of it through obfuscation and rhetorical chicanery.

Was the killing of white civilians by the ANC in Apartheid South Africa "murder" in your book? And, did it not liberate the non-whites from white oppression? Would the whites have relinquished power without the violence? I don't think so. Same for Algeria, had there not been the killings of French civilians, the French would have never left.

Unfortunately, that's just the way the occupier's mind works, as long as there is no danger to the occupier, there is no reason to end the occupation.

Uh-huh ... and killing 4 elderly Jews at prayer is the Pali (and apparently your) way of achieving their goals. Nice work, !

 

[SAYIT]

Israeli settlers are a necessary and integral part of the occupation. If it were not for the settlers, Israel would be no more than an office in Tel Aviv.

Sort of like how Palestine is no more than an office in Ramallah?

 

[Roudy]

Not secret, Muslim terrorists know them quite well. That's how they get their assess shot while trying to sneak in.

No one seems to be able to say where they are. Seems pretty secret to me.

edit...I mean they're too secret for you to say where they are.

Do you have anything other than this old IslamoNazi garbage over and over?

Israel has borders. Arabs know exactly where they are.

The fact that Muslims and Nazis don't recognize them doesn't mean they don't exist.

So, like I said, try sneaking into Israel and we'll see what happens.

 

[Coyote]

Coyote, et al,

We agree. From a British and Palestinian perspective, and maybe even in retrospect, it is fair to say that he "was" a terrorist.

I see what you are saying Rocco - but what I see is also an attempt being made to white wash a terrorist. He WAS a terrorist. He has the blood of innocent people on his hands and his actions are just as cold and calculated and barbaric as Hamas. The ONLY differrence is that he won his state, and he won the chance to prove he could govern in peace. But that doesn't change what he did and what he is. He is no freedom fighter. He is no insurgent. He is a terrorist who is a bit better organized.

But he is a terrorist.

(COMMENT)

Yet, in the end, when you put him in the line-up of all the other contemporary terrorists, his overall accomplishments towards the welfare of his people made all the difference. None of us are all the pure. The great the challenges we face, the greater the accomplishments we achieve; but also, the greater the impact of our mistakes that will haunt us forever.

We must always look at the intent and the lifetime achievements of the personalities involved. In the case of "Menachem Begin" --- yes a one-time terrorist --- he strived to build something new and fantastic for his people; a land where they would be protected for ever --- prosperous, economically successful, and free from the perils that have followed them though the ages. We simply do not see that in any line-up of Arab Palestinian leaders from the time of Syrian-born Izz ad-Din al-Qassam (Sheikh Palestinian Black Hand) to the modern day Yasser Arafat (PLO Chairman) Mahmoud Abbas [Abu Mazen] (President of thePalestinian Authority), Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi (Chairman HAMAS), Khaled Meshaal (Political Chairman). Simply fighting against Israel is not the same thing as fighting for the betterment of the Palestinian people.

Most Respectfully,
R

I see your point...and yes, I agree - though I'm not convinced that Abbas might not end up transformative were there to be a state. Begin was transformative - AFTER he had a state, yes? No? Irgun (and Begin's command) ended it's attacks in 1948.

 

[haissem123]

montelatici, et al,

Many revolutionaries, terrorists, guerrillas, and insurgents (anti-government forces in general) attempt to masquerade as freedom fighters; trying to wrap themselves in a flag of patriotism. And while it is true, that some patriotic nation builders started out as revolutionaries, terrorists and insurgents, the Arab Palestinian are neither patriotic or nation builders --- aready given ample time and opportunity to demonstrate both and failing at both.

haissem123, et al,

Throughout recorded history, and the Middle East having more than most, are annals and annal of legendary exploits of armies and kings on conquests and quests to units lands under a single banner. They were all expansionist and taking by force what they could. Muhammad (PBUH) was just such a person, at war for more than a decade (622 - 632) within the region on the road to Mecca. He was the first among the Jihadist that raided, brought sieges upon --- using coercion, intimidation and used hegemonic diplomacy, to establish allies or subdued and suppress a whole host of Arab tribes, settlements and cities of the Arabian peninsula in their struggle to overcome the powerful regional merchants.

they want to the u.n. and other police agaencies, which u.s. and britian were supposed to be a just ones of these police and they found all these agencies weak and corrupted by the money and violence the zionist nazi faction has. we'll all pay for our cowardice of letting these injustices go on in our names,.

(COMMENT)

One of the great problems in the later part of the 20th Century were the developments behind the fundamental ideas that:

• The Allies Powers should act as the "World Police;" and actively going out and subduing and suppressing evil doers.
• The Allied Powers should take those bold steps to carve-out places of safety and security for people and cultures historically treated unfairly.

Believe me, the US and the other Allied Powers understand the costs and have paid the price, over and over again.

As for the cowardice and injustices gone in the name of the UN and Allied Powers, that remains to be seen. The perpetual victims (AKA Arab Palestinians) have never demonstrated any propensity for heroism and justice. They are just in it for themselves, never look at the causes greater then themselves which is the hallmark of heroism. In the end, history will not look kindly on the people that used terrorism and murder in their vindictive quest to expand another failed state.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are full of crap. History will look just as kindly at the Palestinians as they have towards the Algerian, South African and other freedom fighters fighting a foreign occupation/colonization.

(QUESTION)

Which one of these is not like the other?

​

Answer: Of course the answer is " Menachem Begin." Why? Because his was the only effort that actually resulted in self-rule and a successful government.

(COMMENT)

Terrorism is “the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”
And an insurgency is “an organized resistance movement that uses subversion, sabotage, and armed conflict to achieve its aims. Insurgencies normally seek to overthrow the existing social order and reallocate power within the country. Used in tandem they attempt to:
(1) Overthrow an established government without a follow-on social revolution.

(2) Establish an autonomous national territory within the borders of a state.
(3) Cause the withdrawal of an occupying power.
(4) Extract political concessions that are unattainable through less violent means."​

The Arab Palestinian resistance fits this bill perfectly.

Most Respectfully,
R

You really are a FOOL,with respect of course......Begin was the most ruthless murderer,terrorist and amazingly Prime Minister of Israel and one of the Worst Oppressors the world has ever seen.

You could not have found a worse person to use,in your example.......He was a WAR CRIMINAL......he was a bad Jew.

Now had you have used Prime Minister Rabin or Mr Peres.....I would have praised you
....
But Sadly Rocco......with respect......You Sir have lost the PLOT...steve

I love it when stevo acts like he knows what he's talking about.

did any of you aholes answer me when I said how the nazis took your homes and businesses in germany in the name of their God given right to make all others their footstools, sound familiar?, and then you went and did it to the palestinians less then a year later? and you think any just God will protect you in this bloody holy land where all you jews have ever done is murder prophets and the weak in the name of greed hidden behind the word God? lol. you've got another thing coming and heaven ain't it. the jews have started the holy war in the name of their God. God, the one and only God of all mankind, is gonna finish your nation for doing so in his name. sorry about that truth. the end.

 

[Kondor3]

...did any of you aholes answer me when I said how the nazis took your homes and businesses in germany in the name of their God given right to make all others their footstools, sound familiar?, and then you went and did it to the palestinians less then a year later? and you think any just God will protect you in this bloody holy land where all you jews have ever done is murder prophets and the weak in the name of greed hidden behind the word God? lol. you've got another thing coming and heaven ain't it. the jews have started the holy war in the name of their God. God, the one and only God of all mankind, is gonna finish your nation for doing so in his name. sorry about that truth. the end.

I think somebody around here doesn't like Jews very much...

 

[Roudy]

montelatici, et al,

Many revolutionaries, terrorists, guerrillas, and insurgents (anti-government forces in general) attempt to masquerade as freedom fighters; trying to wrap themselves in a flag of patriotism. And while it is true, that some patriotic nation builders started out as revolutionaries, terrorists and insurgents, the Arab Palestinian are neither patriotic or nation builders --- aready given ample time and opportunity to demonstrate both and failing at both.

haissem123, et al,

Throughout recorded history, and the Middle East having more than most, are annals and annal of legendary exploits of armies and kings on conquests and quests to units lands under a single banner. They were all expansionist and taking by force what they could. Muhammad (PBUH) was just such a person, at war for more than a decade (622 - 632) within the region on the road to Mecca. He was the first among the Jihadist that raided, brought sieges upon --- using coercion, intimidation and used hegemonic diplomacy, to establish allies or subdued and suppress a whole host of Arab tribes, settlements and cities of the Arabian peninsula in their struggle to overcome the powerful regional merchants.

(COMMENT)

One of the great problems in the later part of the 20th Century were the developments behind the fundamental ideas that:

• The Allies Powers should act as the "World Police;" and actively going out and subduing and suppressing evil doers.
• The Allied Powers should take those bold steps to carve-out places of safety and security for people and cultures historically treated unfairly.

Believe me, the US and the other Allied Powers understand the costs and have paid the price, over and over again.

As for the cowardice and injustices gone in the name of the UN and Allied Powers, that remains to be seen. The perpetual victims (AKA Arab Palestinians) have never demonstrated any propensity for heroism and justice. They are just in it for themselves, never look at the causes greater then themselves which is the hallmark of heroism. In the end, history will not look kindly on the people that used terrorism and murder in their vindictive quest to expand another failed state.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are full of crap. History will look just as kindly at the Palestinians as they have towards the Algerian, South African and other freedom fighters fighting a foreign occupation/colonization.

(QUESTION)

Which one of these is not like the other?

​

Answer: Of course the answer is " Menachem Begin." Why? Because his was the only effort that actually resulted in self-rule and a successful government.

(COMMENT)

Terrorism is “the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”
And an insurgency is “an organized resistance movement that uses subversion, sabotage, and armed conflict to achieve its aims. Insurgencies normally seek to overthrow the existing social order and reallocate power within the country. Used in tandem they attempt to:
(1) Overthrow an established government without a follow-on social revolution.

(2) Establish an autonomous national territory within the borders of a state.
(3) Cause the withdrawal of an occupying power.
(4) Extract political concessions that are unattainable through less violent means."​

The Arab Palestinian resistance fits this bill perfectly.

Most Respectfully,
R

You really are a FOOL,with respect of course......Begin was the most ruthless murderer,terrorist and amazingly Prime Minister of Israel and one of the Worst Oppressors the world has ever seen.

You could not have found a worse person to use,in your example.......He was a WAR CRIMINAL......he was a bad Jew.

Now had you have used Prime Minister Rabin or Mr Peres.....I would have praised you
....
But Sadly Rocco......with respect......You Sir have lost the PLOT...steve

I love it when stevo acts like he knows what he's talking about.

did any of you aholes answer me when I said how the nazis took your homes and businesses in germany in the name of their God given right to make all others their footstools, sound familiar?, and then you went and did it to the palestinians less then a year later? and you think any just God will protect you in this bloody holy land where all you jews have ever done is murder prophets and the weak in the name of greed hidden behind the word God? lol. you've got another thing coming and heaven ain't it. the jews have started the holy war in the name of their God. God, the one and only God of all mankind, is gonna finish your nation for doing so in his name. sorry about that truth. the end.

Nazis didn't do what they did in the name of their "God", Hassan. Did you answer why Muslim animals kicked over a million Jews out of their countries, killed and tortured them for no reason, stole their assets and land?

Did you answer why Muslims committed genocide and ethnic cleansing on the ancient Jews of Hebron in 1929? No you didn't Hasan, because you're a Mooooslem and upset over why Jews managed to defend themselves from Islamic savages you support. Tough shit, Hasan.

 

[Roudy]

...did any of you aholes answer me when I said how the nazis took your homes and businesses in germany in the name of their God given right to make all others their footstools, sound familiar?, and then you went and did it to the palestinians less then a year later? and you think any just God will protect you in this bloody holy land where all you jews have ever done is murder prophets and the weak in the name of greed hidden behind the word God? lol. you've got another thing coming and heaven ain't it. the jews have started the holy war in the name of their God. God, the one and only God of all mankind, is gonna finish your nation for doing so in his name. sorry about that truth. the end.

I think somebody around here doesn't like Jews very much...

He's been reading the Koran too much. Turns them into animals.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes.

Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

 

[Kondor3]

...He's been reading the Koran too much. Turns them into animals.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes.

Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

I cannot imagine Jesus of Nazareth spewing filth like that...

 

[Roudy]

...He's been reading the Koran too much. Turns them into animals.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes.

Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

I cannot imagine Jesus of Nazareth spewing filth like that...

Why would Jesus say that about his own people and religion?

 

[Kondor3]

...He's been reading the Koran too much. Turns them into animals.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes.

Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

I cannot imagine Jesus of Nazareth spewing filth like that...

Why would Jesus say that about his own people and religion?

Gotta go longer and more generic than that, Roudy... a peace-loving type like Jesus would probably not have said such a thing about anybody, based upon his M.O.

Muhammed (Peanut butter and jelly Be Upon Him), on the other hand, was a bloodthirsty pedophile who perverted the vision of an all-loving, all-forgiving godhead into something savage and hateful, and the ignorant goal-buggerers of Arabia bought into it hook, line and sinker.

 

[Roudy]

...He's been reading the Koran too much. Turns them into animals.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes.

Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

I cannot imagine Jesus of Nazareth spewing filth like that...

Why would Jesus say that about his own people and religion?

Gotta go longer and more generic than that, Roudy... a peace-loving type like Jesus would probably not have said such a thing about anybody, based upon his M.O.

Muhammed (Peanut butter and jelly Be Upon Him), on the other hand, was a bloodthirsty pedophile who perverted the vision of an all-loving, all-forgiving godhead into something savage and hateful, and the ignorant goal-buggerers of Arabia bought into it hook, line and sinker.

Yes, I agree. Mohammad (Swoosh) was the biggest, baddest, and meanest thug in Arabia at the time. That's how you got to make a "name" for yourself and become "prophet" back then. "If you want your head to stay on your neck then get on all fours and call me a prophet".

 

[cnm]

Israel has borders. Arabs know exactly where they are.

But you can't tell me where they are. Those sorts of borders.

 

[cnm]

Let's do Leviticus.

 

[Mindful]

Let's not.