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Buller?
This isn't some kind of trap post. I honestly want to know what the left want. Curiosity, nothing else.
What exactly does the "Left" want?
Everything, at the expense of everyone else.
It's not nonsense...He described his belief in terms of an emotional response and that's all there is to it. Moreover, I don't trust Christian fundies any more than I do socialists. In fact, the two have more in common than not.What I got was you describing what makes you support the left in emotional terms....You can't un-type it.
People making their decisions on the caprice emotional responses, rather than reason, simply have no ethical compass. Therefore, your opinion of what's best for the country, let alone yourself, is suspect at best. Moreover, if your you can't explain what's in it for someone else to go along with you, other than their particular emotional response, then it's safe to say that you care little to nothing for the reasoned opinions of others.
Absolute nonsense. Even if I disagree with him, ethics is not based solely on reason and logic. Some of the greatest crimes against humanity were based on reason and logic.
FFS, there are so many examples of emotion from the right its hard to know where to start. People don't support the death penalty because of reason and logic. They support the death penalty because of emotional responses. People aren't opposed to gay marriage because of reason and logic. They oppose it because of emotional responses. People aren't Christians because of reason and logic. They are Christians because of emotions.
This is the problem... the left is all about wants... AKA what they want from the government or at the expense of others...
It's not about equal treatment by government.. it is about equal treatment when it benefits them and their voter base, and unequal treatment for others when it benefits them and their voter base...
I understand your kind of socialistic liberalism just fine...I'm a reformed Humphreyite democrat.What I got was you describing what makes you support the left in emotional terms....You can't un-type it.
People making their decisions on the caprice emotional responses, rather than reason, simply have no ethical compass. Therefore, your opinion of what's best for the country, let alone yourself, is suspect at best. Moreover, if your you can't explain what's in it for someone else to go along with you, other than their particular emotional response, then it's safe to say that you care little to nothing for the reasoned opinions of others.
So you want me to explain my rationale for each topic to you? LOL, feel free to look up my rationale in any of the other threads on this site if you so desperately need to know what drives my opinions.
The fact is you have no leg to stand on and have resorted to senseless rambling. You have already proven that your best explanation for my viewpoints is absurd and poorly thought out and now you're actually asking for proof of my own viewpoints. Talk about desperation mode. Ha!!! Then you proceeded to tell us about your selfish views and the fact that what's best for you is more important than whats best for the nation.
So I've already shown that you don't understand who a liberal is and at the same time showing what kind of conservative you truly are. Care to ramble on any further and dig your hole deeper?
It's not nonsense...He described his belief in terms of an emotional response and that's all there is to it. Moreover, I don't trust Christian fundies any more than I do socialists. In fact, the two have more in common than not.
Meanwhile, if you're going to sit around claiming the moral superiority of using force upon others --the kind of force that can hurt people-- do do your bidding, based upon nothing more than your subjective emotional responses, it's safe to say that you're not in possession of any kind of rational moral code.
I think the question is more geared to "end game." From that perspective you have to see what "the left" sees as the worlds primary issues, and thier responses to said issues. Please before you repsond (I DONT BELEIVE THAT) remember I am going with the proto-typical viewpoints of someone who would be considered "leftist"
To a leftist the world is a place of inequalities, economic, social, power, etc. To correct these inequalities one needs a structure such as the goverment to force those at the high end of the these inequalties to stop doing what perpetuates the inequalities. So the wealthy need to share it, People with restrictive moral beliefs need to give them up, and people with excessive power need to be brought down to "the rest of us." The specific issues that can be seen as "leftist" can be boiled down to this basic premise.
For example, a leftist as described above would see a rich person as someone who benefits from economic inequality. In their opinion, the excess of wealth is probably undeserved, and should be shared with the general public for the greater good. As this person is believed by the leftist to be selfish, they need to be forced to spread thier wealth around to the public (i.e taxation)
There are other examples, but it all ends up with inequalities, and using goverment to fix them.
There's nothing emotional about seeing proactive aggression against another peaceful person, as an aberration and affront to a consistent moral code of a peaceful culture.It's not nonsense...He described his belief in terms of an emotional response and that's all there is to it. Moreover, I don't trust Christian fundies any more than I do socialists. In fact, the two have more in common than not.
Concepts of justice are rooted in emotional responses. People want to see those who break the law punished for punishment's sake. They want to see criminals pay. There is much more emotion in sentencing criminals than there is reason. Emotions are deeply rooted in ethics.
That people believe free exchange between consenting adults -AKA capitalism-- is exploitative and violent is their problem and hallucination. Only people can be exploitative and violent, the system itself in neutral.Meanwhile, if you're going to sit around claiming the moral superiority of using force upon others --the kind of force that can hurt people-- do do your bidding, based upon nothing more than your subjective emotional responses, it's safe to say that you're not in possession of any kind of rational moral code.
Well, that's your interpretation of a rational moral code. Others believe capitalism is an exploitive and violent system, and freedom is freedom from hunger, homlessness and worry about where your medical care will come from. Last time I checked, all questions of philosophy had not been settled.
Don't you fools realize that a stable, prosperous citizenry supports a stable, prosperous economy? WHY don't you get that??? We know you guys are ok with this country sliding into a third world oligarchy ruled by megacorporations, but we just don't understand why. Do you really think it is healthy for a nation's top 5% to control 95% of the wealth? That is where we are headed.
Huh??...If Big Daddy Big Gubmint's authoritarian meddling in economies actually worked, the USSR, Cuba, North Korea et al would've been the most prosperous nations of all time....But it doesn't so they weren'tDon't you fools realize that a stable, prosperous citizenry supports a stable, prosperous economy? WHY don't you get that???
Don't you fools realize that a stable, prosperous citizenry supports a stable, prosperous economy? WHY don't you get that??? We know you guys are ok with this country sliding into a third world oligarchy ruled by megacorporations, but we just don't understand why. Do you really think it is healthy for a nation's top 5% to control 95% of the wealth? That is where we are headed.
So it is much better that all control is placed in the hands of a goverment, that if you go with a leftist model, controls production, ownership and the means of force?
At least with megacorporations they are fighting each other as much as they are fighting those who are against them.
This is the problem... the left is all about wants... AKA what they want from the government or at the expense of others...
It's not about equal treatment by government.. it is about equal treatment when it benefits them and their voter base, and unequal treatment for others when it benefits them and their voter base...
Strawman much?
Well, is it not true? Please refute anything that I have posted. I'll wait.
The left wants you to work hard and give them your money.
Ok, let me propose a hypothetical situation -
Let's say I am, white, male, employed making 100k+/year, fully insured and pays taxes. Why would I support all of these "leftist" issues if almost none of them were directly benefiting me? As in, I am part of the population that does pay taxes, I don't need "free" healthcare, I am not looking to marry a man, etc...
Please, logically explain why I would support a "leftist agenda" if I fit the description of the person above.
Ok, let me propose a hypothetical situation -
Let's say I am, white, male, employed making 100k+/year, fully insured and pays taxes. Why would I support all of these "leftist" issues if almost none of them were directly benefiting me? As in, I am part of the population that does pay taxes, I don't need "free" healthcare, I am not looking to marry a man, etc...
Please, logically explain why I would support a "leftist agenda" if I fit the description of the person above.
There is no logical explanation. But, my gut would be... the need to be seen as "caring". Typical emotive mumbo-jumbo.
Well said