What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[percysunshine]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

None of this stuff would be an issue if the Latin American Socialists were not destroying their own countries and driving their populations into flight.

Actually they are fleeing drug gangs caused by our stupid War on Drugs. Actually your stupid War on Drugs.

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

 

[francoHFW]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

None of this stuff would be an issue if the Latin American Socialists were not destroying their own countries and driving their populations into flight.

Actually they are fleeing drug gangs caused by our stupid War on Drugs. Actually your stupid War on Drugs.

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

Your GOP War on Drugs you know LOL

 

[percysunshine]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

None of this stuff would be an issue if the Latin American Socialists were not destroying their own countries and driving their populations into flight.

Actually they are fleeing drug gangs caused by our stupid War on Drugs. Actually your stupid War on Drugs.

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

Your GOP War on Drugs you know LOL

The war on drugs was just a battalion in the army fighting the war on poverty.

Who won that one?

 

[talksalot]

No illegal aliens-children or otherwise-should be allowed to stay. Zero tolerance. End of story.

The issue isn't allowing or not allowing them to stay. Read the OP.

So the answer is to put kids in jail with their criminal parents?

 

[francoHFW]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

None of this stuff would be an issue if the Latin American Socialists were not destroying their own countries and driving their populations into flight.

Actually they are fleeing drug gangs caused by our stupid War on Drugs. Actually your stupid War on Drugs.

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

Your GOP War on Drugs you know LOL

The war on drugs was just a battalion in the army fighting the war on poverty.

Who won that one?

Bulshit the Democrats had the war on poverty, the Republicans the War on Drugs.

 

[dblack]

Democrats had the war on poverty, the Republicans the War on Drugs.

It's a good thing too. We're so much better off now that poverty and drugs have been eliminated.

 

[percysunshine]

None of this stuff would be an issue if the Latin American Socialists were not destroying their own countries and driving their populations into flight.

Actually they are fleeing drug gangs caused by our stupid War on Drugs. Actually your stupid War on Drugs.

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

Your GOP War on Drugs you know LOL

The war on drugs was just a battalion in the army fighting the war on poverty.

Who won that one?

Bulshit the Democrats had the war on poverty, the Republicans the War on Drugs.

Sounds to me like both the Democrats and the Republicans are not very accomplished at social engineering.

 

[dblack]

Actually they are fleeing drug gangs caused by our stupid War on Drugs. Actually your stupid War on Drugs.

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

Your GOP War on Drugs you know LOL

The war on drugs was just a battalion in the army fighting the war on poverty.

Who won that one?

Bulshit the Democrats had the war on poverty, the Republicans the War on Drugs.

Sounds to me like both the Democrats and the Republicans are not very accomplished at social engineering.

It's the thought that counts.

 

[francoHFW]

Actually they are fleeing drug gangs caused by our stupid War on Drugs. Actually your stupid War on Drugs.

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

Your GOP War on Drugs you know LOL

The war on drugs was just a battalion in the army fighting the war on poverty.

Who won that one?

Bulshit the Democrats had the war on poverty, the Republicans the War on Drugs.

Sounds to me like both the Democrats and the Republicans are not very accomplished at social engineering.

The war on poverty worked under LBJ. The last time it was tried. The war on pot is just stupid.

 

[dblack]

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

Your GOP War on Drugs you know LOL

The war on drugs was just a battalion in the army fighting the war on poverty.

Who won that one?

Bulshit the Democrats had the war on poverty, the Republicans the War on Drugs.

Sounds to me like both the Democrats and the Republicans are not very accomplished at social engineering.

The war on poverty worked under LBJ. The last time it was tried. The war on pot is just stupid.

"It's different when we do it".

 

[percysunshine]

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

Your GOP War on Drugs you know LOL

The war on drugs was just a battalion in the army fighting the war on poverty.

Who won that one?

Bulshit the Democrats had the war on poverty, the Republicans the War on Drugs.

Sounds to me like both the Democrats and the Republicans are not very accomplished at social engineering.

The war on poverty worked under LBJ. The last time it was tried. The war on pot is just stupid.

The war on poverty was a colossal failure. Bureaucratic inertia is the only reason why people keep working at it.

Like the war on drugs....

 

[percysunshine]

Now this is my war?

Where are my soldiers? If I have soldiers, I have alot of cool stuff for them to do.

Or did you just have a flash back or something....

Your GOP War on Drugs you know LOL

The war on drugs was just a battalion in the army fighting the war on poverty.

Who won that one?

Bulshit the Democrats had the war on poverty, the Republicans the War on Drugs.

Sounds to me like both the Democrats and the Republicans are not very accomplished at social engineering.

It's the thought that counts.

It is a debatable proposition as to how many progressives can actually count. If we tested them...anything could happen.

 

[protectionist]

No computer chips there, super duper.

Computer chip doesn't prove citizenship (voting eligibility) - unless its linked to a birth certificate or naturalization. You haven't said anything about those things.

 

[protectionist]

No one wants open borders for immigrants, super duper. Change the channel

Democrats all do, and they work at it, 24/7.

 

[protectionist]

They do that now and and people use them because of you, super dupe. Great job

Don't know what you're talking about. Because of me ? If I had my way, none of them would even be here, period.

 

[HappyJoy]

No illegal aliens-children or otherwise-should be allowed to stay. Zero tolerance. End of story.

How about the unnecessary separation of children from their parents?

It's a deterrent, as in, don't want to be separated from your children, then don't bring them here illegally. Once the word gets around, they'll cut it out. maybe.

Now that would be pretty dumb, applying for asylum out of fear for the lives of the family members and then leave the kids there.

Instead of fleeing they should fight for their country and have a revolution.

Cuz you'd totally do that.

 

[Flopper]

How about the unnecessary separation of children from their parents?

It's a deterrent, as in, don't want to be separated from your children, then don't bring them here illegally. Once the word gets around, they'll cut it out. maybe.

Now that would be pretty dumb, applying for asylum out of fear for the lives of the family members and then leave the kids there.

So then it somehow becomes our problem, right? Why didn't they just stay in Mexico if that's what they feared?

Yes, it does become our problem when they cross our boarders. Mexico does send them back and they grant asylum to only 1 in 20 that apply. With the deteriorating relations between the US and Mexico, they're probably busing them to the US boarder so they'll be our problem.

They are not our problem, Mexico is our problem. It's no different than if we sent these people to the Canadian border. We did it to them. We should not be allowing them to trample across our land into Canada.

Hate to break your bubble, but Mexico does not send these people to the US. Although Mexico is a lot tougher on illegals than we are, a lot get through and they probably don't do much to stop them.

Mexico could certainly do a better job stopping these people in their country so they do not reach our boarder. However, why should they do that? Exactly what is the US doing for Mexico other than insulting and threatening them daily. US Mexican relations are the worst they been in decades, thanks to Trump so I certainly wouldn't expect any help from them on immigration or drug enforcement.

 

[HappyJoy]

It's a deterrent, as in, don't want to be separated from your children, then don't bring them here illegally. Once the word gets around, they'll cut it out. maybe.

Now that would be pretty dumb, applying for asylum out of fear for the lives of the family members and then leave the kids there.

So then it somehow becomes our problem, right? Why didn't they just stay in Mexico if that's what they feared?

Yes, it does become our problem when they cross our boarders. Mexico does send them back and they grant asylum to only 1 in 20 that apply. With the deteriorating relations between the US and Mexico, they're probably busing them to the US boarder so they'll be our problem.

They are not our problem, Mexico is our problem. It's no different than if we sent these people to the Canadian border. We did it to them. We should not be allowing them to trample across our land into Canada.

Hate to break your bubble, but Mexico does not send these people to the US. Although Mexico is a lot tougher on illegals than we are, a lot get through and they probably don't do much to stop them.

Mexico could certainly do a better job stopping these people in their country so they do not reach our boarder. However, why should they do that? Exactly what is the US doing for Mexico other than insulting and threatening them daily. US Mexican relations are the worst they been in decades, thanks to Trump so I certainly wouldn't expect any help from them on immigration or drug enforcement.

Remember when we had allies? It seems a mere 18 months ago.

 

[Flopper]

No illegal aliens-children or otherwise-should be allowed to stay. Zero tolerance. End of story.

The issue isn't allowing or not allowing them to stay. Read the OP.

So the answer is to put kids in jail with their criminal parents?

No, in a family detention center. Throwing these kids in foster care is not only more expensive, more devastating for the kids, but you can bet the US government is going lose a bunch of them. They've lost track of 1500. Then you're going to have parents in the headlines being thrown out of the country without their kids. How incredible stupid and it's all about one man's ego.

 

[francoHFW]

No computer chips there, super duper.

Computer chip doesn't prove citizenship (voting eligibility) - unless its linked to a birth certificate or naturalization. You haven't said anything about those things.

Your ID card with computer chip proves Who You Are and what your citizenship is. I don't know what you're talking about.