What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

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The real purpose of taking kids away from their parents is to persuade the parents to waive a trial and plead guilty. Once they plead guilty, their deportation can be expedited and they will be united with their children in few days or weeks. If they ask for their day in court, they won't see their children for months, or up to 1 year and they are told this.

What a load of crap.

If that is the "real reason" and if Barry hasn't done anything wrong by doing it (with your silent approval), than Trump is doing nothing wrong neither.

Kids don't belong to jail. Their parents are lawbreakers, not them.
 
Immigration officials are required to interview all detainees regardless of age. Do you really think kidnap victims are not going to speak up?

These families came seeking asylum. You can not apply for asylum with out complete documentation of all family members.
Think about that.

Poor children from third world countries who are being abused and threatened and told the American will kill them? Of course they could lie. And you're saying keep them in the abuser's hands to keep doing that
I'm saying you don't presume that a family is human traffickers and victims without evidence any more than you would presume that a man carrying a briefcase walking out of a bank is a bank robber.

When you stop a criminal at the border who has a kid that isn't his with him...you think that we should allow the kid to stay with that criminal in jail?

Because that's what you fools are advocating.
A person stopped at the boarder, is not a criminal until he or she crosses the border and a court of law declares him guilty of improper entry, a criminal misdemeanor. Accompanying children are not assumed to be victims of human trafficking without any evidence. This is called due process, a concept you may find strange.
Slavery and sex trafficking not a concern, huh?

That's what democrats call "good business".
 
Now that is funny…

Yeah…someone like you who calls people “beaners” as a sign of affection makes a distinction between Mexicans and other latinos. Riiiight.

Someone like me?
Nope, I did not call anyone a beaner, I joined the conversation to explain to you that beaner is not a racial slur.
Now, since you do know the distinction, why don't you answer the question: What skin color Mexicans have?
Or you gonna act dumb and dodge it again...

Have you/will you gone/go into a chicano bar and called the bartender a beaner and shown how much you love the race?

Are you going to dodge the question or answer it?

I recall I asked you question several times that you did provided answer to.

You don't get to ask me anything until you do so. Capisce?

Cmon...beaner is a term of endearment right?

Sack up, find some manhood and call a Mexican a beaner to his face. Then get ready for a nice warm hug.....

Kinda, just as they call us "burgers". It's not a racist term.

BTW, when will you answer the freaking question?

Oh, you're leftist loser, and you don't do that.

The same time you answer the question..if “beaner” is such a term of endearment, have you belled up to a Chicano bar and called the tender a “beaner” to his face?
 
/——/ We restricted immigrants for decades so the ones here could assimilate. The Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that restricted entry to 2 percent of the total number of people of each nationality in America as of the 1890 national census–a system that favored immigrants from Western Europe–and prohibited immigrants from Asia.

Well the left feels this kind of thing has never happened before---only with Trump.

The changes taking place because of foreigners is obvious. It's time to stop migration until at least everybody can speak and read the language here.



The Know-Nothing party is gone. Let it go or join it in the dustbin.

They're gone? .....

Yes, they are gone. The Know-Nothing Party was defunct by 1860. Even then real Americans recognized that they were idiots and cowards not worth the attention. Every few decades a new crop of mentally defective weaklings like you start whining about the exact process by which their own ancestors came to America. Pretty stupid, really.

You know how my ancestors came here? Please tell me, because I don't even know that. However they came, I'm sure it wasn't illegally like what's going on today.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. One of the reason for birthright citizenship was to make clear who exactly were citizens. During most the early 19th century Americans encourage free and open immigration. People crossed from Canada and Mexico into the territories declaring themselves Americans. They moved to states became citizens of that state will little regard for any federal immigration laws. If you claimed to be a US citizen, you were accepted as a citizen because there was no way to prove otherwise.
 
Illegal immigration has already been cut, it's been low for quite some time and those that get caught are usually deported. So, now it's time to open up legal immigration and no, I don't believe in walls and don't see much of a point in holding those caught for a first time in our jails, deport them.
Yes, illegal immigration has been decreasing ever since Mexico recovered from the recession and boarder security was increased. In 2000, there was an estimated 1 million people attempted to cross the our southern boarder, 700,000 in 2006. In 2016, there were 170,000 arrested at the boarder and ICE estimates that they stopping more than 50% attempting to cross.

This trend makes it really tough for Trump because he just doesn't have enough illegal crossings to match deportation figures of previous presidents. It also makes his wall across the southern boarder less important.

At some point Trump is going to have to concentrate on interior arrests, more that 50 miles from the boarder. This is where most illegal immigrants live, those that did not enter the country illegally. It's also where most long term immigrants are found and where expedited deportation can't be use and undocumented immigrants must be heard in immigration court not criminal court.

Okay, dude, seriously. I generally ignore people's functional illiteracy on the Internet, but do you have any idea how difficult it is to think you're anything but a clueless moron on this subject when you can't even spell "border" correctly? How in the hell is anyone supposed to answer you as though you're a rational, thinking adult like this?

A "border" is a line separating two political or geographical areas, especially countries. A "boarder" is a person who receives regular meals when staying somewhere, in return for payment or services. Just because they sound alike doesn't make them the same word. English is, presumably, your mother tongue. PLEASE learn to communicate in it.
Typographical errors are you're response? That's pretty lame as well as being irrelevant.

No, dipshit, my responses are my response. Just because you're afraid to acknowledge my posts doesn't mean they aren't there. Go find them, and quit looking to excuse and deflect from the fact that you argue like an incoherent moron.

THIS is just pointing out that your functional illiteracy makes you look like someone who doesn't deserve the respect of serious answers, and also that reading your illiterate posts is like having sand in my swimsuit.

Oh bull
Separating the family is now a mute point since the orange clown just caved in under pressure from the party. He added that no one has had the "political courage" to take care of the issue which he claims has gone on for over 60 years. Wow, what a clown.


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Let's say you or someone you know are driving down the road with kid in the back and police pull you over for speeding. Than police find out you have unpaid ticket or outstanding warrant for your arrest. First thing they'll ask you if you have someone to call to pick up your kid, if you don't they will call social services to take the kid away, until family can get the kid or you get out of jail.

Well, since you think that kids should not be separated from their parents, you should demand from policemen to bring your kid along. In fact, you should demand that all the people currently in American jails should be united with their kids until the end of their sentence.
 
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half
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There has to be limits to any immigration. The illegals are taking spots from the legals.
There is. The body of law governing current immigration policy, provides for an annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants, with certain exceptions for close family members. I don't think Trump is messing with that number. It is .2% of the population, way too small.

And we have almost 2 million illegal aliens combining border crossers with VISA overstays, WAY too large.

Once we get that under control, we can increase legal immigration.

Every action you take is about getting more Democrat votes on the voter rolls. Not one action you're taking costs the Democrats a vote. Your motive is clear
What a shocking revaluation. Democrats don't have to say or do anything to attract Hispanic voters. Donald Trump does it all. He calls them rapist and murders. Says migrants come from shit hole countries. Blames our drug problems on Mexico. Wants to make Mexico pay the cost of defending our border with a wall. Wants to make it impossible for them to bring their families to the US. And he hovers over a taco salad proclaiming, "I love Hispanics."
/——/ One has nothing to do with the other. Maybe if you loved Americans you’d support a strong border.
I believe it's our responsibility to protect our borders. Asking Mexico a country whose GDP is 5% of ours to pay for defense our border is downright embarrassing. If the mightiest nation on earth can't defend it's borders against peasants, mostly women and children, maybe it doesn't deserve those borders.
 
Why would they change it? It's working in their favor. The MSM, the moderate right like Medved and Hewitt, the women are all on board with the destruction of this country by not providing deterrents to come here. The invaders are winning to the point Trump is even giving in.

I'd hate to be alive in this country 50 years or so from today; a socialist, communist nightmare that the folks are creating today. But like the frog in the pot of cold water on the stove....................

You are supporting a dictator who is ruining our country right now.

Nope, he's trying to save it. That's why we voted him in. All we can do now is hope he devises new and stronger border protections TO save this country. Next budget, the wall should not be negotiable. Let the commies shutdown the government if they want.

You're out of you mind.

He's out of his mind because he thinks that we should have a southern border. You're out of your mind

We have a southern border. Complete with a fence. The number one problem relative to illegal immigration is visa overstays. But we must all be overly concerned with a southern border. And we all know why that is.

Those who overstayed their visas are not number one problem. At some point those people had visas and were allowed to be here. That means, they're been vetted and came here legally, most likely they're not going to commit crimes. However, if they overstayed their visa, they should be kicked out, but they're not the number one problem. Illegals crossing border other than point of entry are much bigger problem.
 
I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Trump shouldn't let them do that. Asylum is what you seek to escape extreme danger from your government be it harm to you, your family or even death. Once they set foot in Mexico, that goal was already achieved. There is no need to come here.

How many "asylum seekers" fit that criteria?
 
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ICE arrests 114 at Ohio garden center in major mass raid

All criminals that use fake IDs, and fake SSN should be arrested, prosecuted, jailed, or deported. Anyone who employs them should pay large fines and if that doesn't work should be put out of business.

In Canada, employees are required to provide their SIN card to employers upon being hired. If Rev Canada audits the company and copies of all employee SIN cards aren’t in their files, the employer is fined $10,000 for each missing card.

Americans are keen to hire illegals for cheap labour. If there were no jobs waiting for them, there would be no point in sneaking in.
 
You mean because there are only white citizens in this country, race baiting dickhead. And you really are a douche. He's talking about the ability to function here in English. Not making them deny their heritage.

Except he didn't say "ability to speak English", he said "assimilate".

Hey, maybe we should eliminate St. Paddy's Day, Oktoberfest, Columbus Day and the Polish Parade here in Chicago because, hey, those people need to "assimilate", right?

If you can't speak or read English, guess what? You're not assimilating very well. If the country has to accommodate you for that reason, you are not assimilating very well. If you are a NYC cab driver, and refuse to pick up fares because they have a pet with them due to your religion, you are not assimilating very well.
Most legal immigrants to US are speaking English in a year, however like most people they are more comfortable speaking their native tongue. It is natural to assume two people speaking Spanish are doing so because they don't speak English but that is often not the case.

Assimilation means adapting and adjusting to a culture. It does not mean changing your culture. An immigrant who's Hispanic, Russian, Italian, etc will carry their culture with them through out their lives. They may become Americans but their ethnicity will not change. Their children born in America will carry with them their American culture.

You don't know the meaning of *assimilating* any more than you know the meaning of any of the other terms you bastardize.

"
to absorb into the cultural tradition of a population or group
  • … the belief that tolerant hosts would be able to assimilate immigrants of whatever creed or colour.
  • —Brian Holmes"
Definition of ASSIMILATE
 
What is it about the stupid arrogance pretending to be humanitarianism of the far left loonies? Right out of the Orwell doublespeak playbook: WE CARE about children...YET NO PLAN to fix issues that concern poverty and children...HOMELESS families, vets, women, and teens and children all across the USA living in squalid, hopeless conditions on the streets or filthy, depressing shelters, INCLUDING CITIZENS who have circumstances, need psychiatric and medical help, and may have lost everything to a season of HURRICANES with more of this season upon us again. I HAVE SEEN the PICTURES of the SOUTHWEST KEYS children's housing and believe me these children NEVER lived this well not in Central America or Mexico. YET THE LYIN' MSM MEDIA misrepresented the goodwill offered to these immigrant children in these clean, safe, well run facilities with TV and schooling and food. I AGREE THERE WAS A BETTER WAY: simply bring the family to the childrens center for a goodbye meal and assure the parents that the children will see the parents after arraignment in a few days. THEN the entire FAMILY can go to a family location together. I posted the pictures of Southwest Keys on this thread already. CLEAN, SAFE, GENEROUS.

Absolutely. It's all a big MSM show they are putting on to take our minds off of our real important issues and success like the economy and North Korea.

They show a kid getting taken away by agents in these detention centers, and the child is helplessly screaming for his mother. Wait a minute: If an American woman snuck her kid into Mexico, got busted, and had her child ripped out of her arms, would that American child be screaming "mommy" in Spanish? Well.....he would if he was coached. Like I said, big show to tug on the liberal heartstrings.

Don't believe that Democrats care about these kids, Democrats only care about using these kids for THEIR political agenda. If these southern American people were renown to support Republicans, that wall would have been up 50 years ago. Trump just signed an EO to keep those children with their so-called parents, watch how many days it takes until some leftist takes it to court to have it overturned.

Ben Shapiro addressed this in a brilliant column.

Here’s All The Proof You Need That Democrats Never Cared About Separation Of Illegal Immigrant Children From Parents

". . . when Trump signed the executive order, you’d imagine that Democrats would have celebrated – after all, kids would now be able to stay with their parents, so far as the law allowed!

Instead, Democrats immediately suggested that holding children together with parents was brutal and evil – the same argument civil rights groups made when President Obama pursued the same policy, an argument that ended in a Ninth Circuit ruling mandating the separation of children from parents.

Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA) tweeted:

This Executive Order doesn’t fix the crisis. Indefinitely detaining children with their families in camps is inhumane and will not make us safe.

Senator Bernie Sanders (Loonbag-VT) explained that the executive order didn’t go far enough, because “we have a situation where the Trump administration now, their solution is to provide indefinite detention…the Trump administration wants to undo the Flores settlement, which focuses on the needs of children and limits to 20 days, the number of days that children can be in jail.”"


Yeah, Bernie, that'd be the same settlement you leftists were swearing didn't really exist, AND telling us was "eeeeevil" policy, just five minutes ago. NOW it's "focusing on the needs of children"? Could you ass kittens FIND your minds, and then make them up?

"Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) told CNN that Trump’s new policy – i.e. Obama’s old policy – “could lead to family internment camps.” The execrable Samantha Bee, who was officially named World’s Least Funny Human™ just a few weeks ago, mocked, “Yay! No more baby internment camps, just regular internment camps…Cool! That’s what we call a win in 2018. To be clear, I am happy that at least these kids are theoretically gonna stay with their parents, but Mommy & Me Jails are not a solution.”

So, in other words, they didn’t care all that much about separation, because when the separation is rectified, that too is awful. All those on the Left really want is the full release of all illegal immigrants with children. End of story."

The leftists had an opportunity to address issue of separating children from parents and they did nothing. The media had an opportunity to report on this issue in the last decade (especially when Breitbart did it in 2014) and they did nothing.

The left and the media do not care about the children. On the side note, they don't even identify children who are children. You can't even have a discussion about late term abortion, without being dismissed as anti-women, or religious freak.

Left and some right wants open borders, and will do nothing to secure it. Some 30 years ago, Democrats had completely opposite positions about illegals than they have now. If anyone remembers Ralph Abernathy and Walter Mondale and American Latinos who were on the border trying to stop illegals from coming in. Democrats at the time were trying to organize farm worker unions Teamsters and AFLCIO around American Latinos, and prevent cheap labor from coming to the country... but now they figured, letting in illegals, and pressure to give them amnesty, giving them amnesty is the way of getting new voters and the way to increase their ranks in union memberships, and that's exactly what they're doing. They don't care about illegals, they only care to replace their former slaves who've seen them for what they are and left them, with the new ones.
 
Millions come LEGALLY to the U.S.A Calling illegal aliens 'undocumented immigrants ' is like calling heroin dealers 'undocumented pharmacists '

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E- Verify

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ICE arrests 114 at Ohio garden center in major mass raid

All criminals that use fake IDs, and fake SSN should be arrested, prosecuted, jailed, or deported. Anyone who employs them should pay large fines and if that doesn't work should be put out of business.

In Canada, employees are required to provide their SIN card to employers upon being hired. If Rev Canada audits the company and copies of all employee SIN cards aren’t in their files, the employer is fined $10,000 for each missing card.

Americans are keen to hire illegals for cheap labour. If there were no jobs waiting for them, there would be no point in sneaking in.

So the solution is what, get rid of the jobs?
 
I live near the borders. The ports are not blocked. Sessions is encouraging true ASYLUM SEEKERS to make their intentions known at a border crossing rather than run into the desert or cross a river...

The lawyers who work along the border are saying that’s not what’s happening. Asylum seekers are being slowed down and blocked at the borders. Asylum seekers have to have both feet on US soil to claim asylum. Trump won’t let them do that. That’s why they’re crossing any way they can. People are waiting days and then being turned away from crossing while being told the US is full and they can’t come in.

Trump shouldn't let them do that. Asylum is what you seek to escape extreme danger from your government be it harm to you, your family or even death. Once they set foot in Mexico, that goal was already achieved. There is no need to come here.

How many "asylum seekers" fit that criteria?

Not many, that's why they are being detained instead of getting a hearing. It's why they lost their children to authorities.
 
The real purpose of taking kids away from their parents is to persuade the parents to waive a trial and plead guilty. Once they plead guilty, their deportation can be expedited and they will be united with their children in few days or weeks. If they ask for their day in court, they won't see their children for months, or up to 1 year and they are told this.

What a load of crap.

If that is the "real reason" and if Barry hasn't done anything wrong by doing it (with your silent approval), than Trump is doing nothing wrong neither.

Kids don't belong to jail. Their parents are lawbreakers, not them.
What Obama did or did not do is irrelevant now. However, Obama separated families when it was necessary, and certainly not as a deterrent or as punishment. Trump did so as deterrent. He would still be doing so now were it not for the backlash in congress and the outcry from the public.

In our immigration system, if you detain parents and take away the kids, parents will waive their right to trial because it's the fastest way to get their kids back. If they ask for a trial they can be detained for up to a year. If they ask for asylum, they could be away from the kids for 4-6 months. What parent is going to take that kind of risk. In the countries these people come from, police take away kids and they are never seen again.

We created family detention center so families could be kept together. There's no reason why we should not use them.
 
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