What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[danielpalos]

resort to the fewest secular and temporal fallacies? it is the Ethical way.

What restrictions on behavior do Liberals demand?

Only enough to ensure Order over Chaos.

Sure...
Pre-teen sex
Marching in public naked
Aborting babies to keep your figure
Yelling at people who disagree with you
Begging for others to pay taxes to support those who decided to party rather than study when they were in school.
The US should send billions to nations who haven’t developed in over 60 years
And more perversion to come as the months go by.
What a load of crap.

the right wing alleges to have Faith in God, but can't obey Ten simple Commandments to avoid the Expense of Government. And complain about taxes. What, infidels.

My opinion of the Far Left does not mean I have no criticism for the Far Right.
But no one the Far Right is bragging in public about their foibles.

practicing the abomination of hypocrisy in public venues, usually means, one moral Thing.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No illegal aliens-children or otherwise-should be allowed to stay. Zero tolerance. End of story.

How about the unnecessary separation of children from their parents?

Unnecessary? Really?
“Parents” get caught robbing a bank...they’re prosecuted and sentenced to years of incarceration...do they forfeit their children to “the system” due to their own actions....or do we send the children to live in their prison cell with them?
Come on people....THINK. This is such simple shit.

That is not the way the immigration system as worked before. The children and parents are housed together until they get their hearing. It isn't a criminal court system.

That worked until we found out that many of these children were not with parents but with human traffickers.

 

[Indeependent]

What restrictions on behavior do Liberals demand?

Only enough to ensure Order over Chaos.

Sure...
Pre-teen sex
Marching in public naked
Aborting babies to keep your figure
Yelling at people who disagree with you
Begging for others to pay taxes to support those who decided to party rather than study when they were in school.
The US should send billions to nations who haven’t developed in over 60 years
And more perversion to come as the months go by.
What a load of crap.

the right wing alleges to have Faith in God, but can't obey Ten simple Commandments to avoid the Expense of Government. And complain about taxes. What, infidels.

My opinion of the Far Left does not mean I have no criticism for the Far Right.
But no one the Far Right is bragging in public about their foibles.

practicing the abomination of hypocrisy in public venues, usually means, one moral Thing.

Perversion is now impressed upon us.
Even expressing an opinion against perversion causes angst amongst the mentally disturbed Liberal.

 

[danielpalos]

Only enough to ensure Order over Chaos.

Sure...
Pre-teen sex
Marching in public naked
Aborting babies to keep your figure
Yelling at people who disagree with you
Begging for others to pay taxes to support those who decided to party rather than study when they were in school.
The US should send billions to nations who haven’t developed in over 60 years
And more perversion to come as the months go by.
What a load of crap.

the right wing alleges to have Faith in God, but can't obey Ten simple Commandments to avoid the Expense of Government. And complain about taxes. What, infidels.

My opinion of the Far Left does not mean I have no criticism for the Far Right.
But no one the Far Right is bragging in public about their foibles.

practicing the abomination of hypocrisy in public venues, usually means, one moral Thing.

Perversion is now impressed upon us.
Even expressing an opinion against perversion causes angst amongst the mentally disturbed Liberal.

that is what happens when you are not moral enough to, "take the moral high ground by resorting to the fewest fallacies."

 

[Indeependent]

Sure...
Pre-teen sex
Marching in public naked
Aborting babies to keep your figure
Yelling at people who disagree with you
Begging for others to pay taxes to support those who decided to party rather than study when they were in school.
The US should send billions to nations who haven’t developed in over 60 years
And more perversion to come as the months go by.
What a load of crap.

the right wing alleges to have Faith in God, but can't obey Ten simple Commandments to avoid the Expense of Government. And complain about taxes. What, infidels.

My opinion of the Far Left does not mean I have no criticism for the Far Right.
But no one the Far Right is bragging in public about their foibles.

practicing the abomination of hypocrisy in public venues, usually means, one moral Thing.

Perversion is now impressed upon us.
Even expressing an opinion against perversion causes angst amongst the mentally disturbed Liberal.

that is what happens when you are not moral enough to, "take the moral high ground by resorting to the fewest fallacies."

I guess you don’t watch TV anymore.
Anyway, I at least appreciate the fact that you admitted in the past that a member of your family is an illegal, so anything Trump does will disgust you regardless.

 

[MikeK]

[...]

Calling the countries shitholes and the people who live there "animals" and "Rapists" is dehumanizing them.

Get it?

People, places, and things are often referred to by the offhand use of terms which reflect their immediate and conspicuous reality. If the condition and active nature of a place calls to mind the word, "shit-hole," there always is a reason for that.

Don't blame the messenger.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Bullshit. Decline in SNAP usage has been the same in states without requirements as states with them.

Bull. Some have declined only because the Republican Congress reduced funding to the program.

Guy, you fools are done the minute the economy sinks back into recession on Trump's watch. People hate him with a good economy, what do you think is going to happen WHEN it sucks?

Yes, people do hate him in a good economy. In fact their hatred bleeds into the voting booth. But that's the problem with voters today. They vote on their representatives the same way they used to vote for their favorite American Idol contestant: how do they dress, how well do they speak, how nice looking is their family.......

Thankfully this time, people voted for real change in this country, and so far, it's working out fantastically.

Um, no, they aren't paying anywhere near their fair share, and unlike me, most of them avoided military service.

The top 20% of our wage earners pay 85% of all collected income tax. How is that not their fair share? You people on the left are so selfish. They never asked for acknowledgement, they never asked for a thank you, and in spite of what they pay, all you greedy liberals can do is demand more. Embarrassing already.

 

[JoeB131]

I can’t take a White Self-Guilty guy seriously.
The fact is that when bad people have weapons they behave badly.
Give me an arsenal and I won’t start a slave trade or drug cartel.
You always blame the White man which makes you dismissable.

I agree.. we shouldn't let bad people have guns... but most mass shooters are white guys.

 

[Indeependent]

I can’t take a White Self-Guilty guy seriously.
The fact is that when bad people have weapons they behave badly.
Give me an arsenal and I won’t start a slave trade or drug cartel.
You always blame the White man which makes you dismissable.

I agree.. we shouldn't let bad people have guns... but most mass shooters are white guys.

And the hundreds of individual murders that take place every year in Nassau County are done by Black guys in Black neighborhoods where cops won't go until they're call to collect the next body.

 

[JoeB131]

The top 20% of our wage earners pay 85% of all collected income tax. How is that not their fair share? You people on the left are so selfish. They never asked for acknowledgement, they never asked for a thank you, and in spite of what they pay, all you greedy liberals can do is demand more. Embarrassing already.

They also have 87% of the wealth... and Income Tax isn't the only tax paid. So they are paying less than their share and other taxes like Social Security don't really apply because they are capped.

Yes, people do hate him in a good economy. In fact their hatred bleeds into the voting booth. But that's the problem with voters today. They vote on their representatives the same way they used to vote for their favorite American Idol contestant: how do they dress, how well do they speak, how nice looking is their family.......

Thankfully this time, people voted for real change in this country, and so far, it's working out fantastically.

Guy, you can't whine about American Idol when you "elect" (Not Really) A Reality TV Game Show Host with no other qualifications.

People hate Trump because he's a misogynistic, racist, Nazi cocksucker.

That's why people hate him.

 

[danielpalos]

the right wing alleges to have Faith in God, but can't obey Ten simple Commandments to avoid the Expense of Government. And complain about taxes. What, infidels.

My opinion of the Far Left does not mean I have no criticism for the Far Right.
But no one the Far Right is bragging in public about their foibles.

practicing the abomination of hypocrisy in public venues, usually means, one moral Thing.

Perversion is now impressed upon us.
Even expressing an opinion against perversion causes angst amongst the mentally disturbed Liberal.

that is what happens when you are not moral enough to, "take the moral high ground by resorting to the fewest fallacies."

I guess you don’t watch TV anymore.
Anyway, I at least appreciate the fact that you admitted in the past that a member of your family is an illegal, so anything Trump does will disgust you regardless.

The right wing admitted in the past that they recognize the concept of natural rights and that they are unalienable.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

This is funny as shit.
Shows the Trumpanzee Kool Aid Machine in full.

.

 

[Indeependent]

My opinion of the Far Left does not mean I have no criticism for the Far Right.
But no one the Far Right is bragging in public about their foibles.

practicing the abomination of hypocrisy in public venues, usually means, one moral Thing.

Perversion is now impressed upon us.
Even expressing an opinion against perversion causes angst amongst the mentally disturbed Liberal.

that is what happens when you are not moral enough to, "take the moral high ground by resorting to the fewest fallacies."

I guess you don’t watch TV anymore.
Anyway, I at least appreciate the fact that you admitted in the past that a member of your family is an illegal, so anything Trump does will disgust you regardless.

The right wing admitted in the past that they recognize the concept of natural rights and that they are unalienable.

Define "Natural Rights".

 

[danielpalos]

practicing the abomination of hypocrisy in public venues, usually means, one moral Thing.

Perversion is now impressed upon us.
Even expressing an opinion against perversion causes angst amongst the mentally disturbed Liberal.

that is what happens when you are not moral enough to, "take the moral high ground by resorting to the fewest fallacies."

I guess you don’t watch TV anymore.
Anyway, I at least appreciate the fact that you admitted in the past that a member of your family is an illegal, so anything Trump does will disgust you regardless.

The right wing admitted in the past that they recognize the concept of natural rights and that they are unalienable.

Define "Natural Rights".

The Declaration of Independence: Full text

 

[kaz]

This is funny as shit.
Shows the Trumpanzee Kool Aid Machine in full.


View attachment 201696 .

Actually, Mexico sending drug dealers, murderers and rapists is enough We can say stop right there ...

 

[froggy]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

If I broke the law and robbed you and someone said I shouldn't be punished for it would you agree with him

 

[danielpalos]

This is funny as shit.
Shows the Trumpanzee Kool Aid Machine in full.


View attachment 201696 .

Actually, Mexico sending drug dealers, murderers and rapists is enough We can say stop right there ...

muster the militia if it is really really serious, right wingers. i dare you. 10USC246
Frivolicity, is all the right wing knows.

 

[Flopper]

Food stamps make people lazy and take any incentive away for them to improve their plight. If not for Republican governors creating requirements to obtain food stamps, we would have just as many recipients today as we did at the heart of the recession.

Bullshit. Decline in SNAP usage has been the same in states without requirements as states with them.

You are welcome to your opinion, but so am I. A wall would do ten times the good food stamps ever could. We are in charge now and were voted in to have things like a wall, and hopefully it will get built.

You're too dumb to realize you're being scammed. Wall's never getting built.

And if the Democrats ever want to tear it down, it would be the best issue for us Republicans going down the road to prove these little commies want to be an open border society.

Guy, you fools are done the minute the economy sinks back into recession on Trump's watch. People hate him with a good economy, what do you think is going to happen WHEN it sucks?

They must love it more than you, because they are paying most all of the income taxes in this country. Sure you like a civilized society, especially when somebody else is paying for it.

Um, no, they aren't paying anywhere near their fair share, and unlike me, most of them avoided military service.

The major difference between a fence and a wall is that you can almost always see through a fence, at least to some degree, while a wall is solid. Whether a wall, a fence, electronic surveillance, or a natural barrier provides the best protection depends on the situation. The real protection comes from people that guard the border because barriers only slow down intruders. It is virtually impossible to stop people with the right equipment from crossing a barrier.

 

[Indeependent]

Perversion is now impressed upon us.
Even expressing an opinion against perversion causes angst amongst the mentally disturbed Liberal.

that is what happens when you are not moral enough to, "take the moral high ground by resorting to the fewest fallacies."

I guess you don’t watch TV anymore.
Anyway, I at least appreciate the fact that you admitted in the past that a member of your family is an illegal, so anything Trump does will disgust you regardless.

The right wing admitted in the past that they recognize the concept of natural rights and that they are unalienable.

Define "Natural Rights".

The Declaration of Independence: Full text

So I get to watch 11 year old girls 90% naked walking in the mall.
How fucking sick of the Liberal, let it all hang out, mind.
And yes, I was at a mall today and I wanted to vomit.
The Liberals have succeeded in destroying whatever moral values we had.

I hate to tell you this, but State, County and Municipal Law "Trumps" Federal Law unless the Federal Law was legislated first.
It's amazing what one can learn when one reads more than just a web site.

 

[Flopper]

No illegal aliens-children or otherwise-should be allowed to stay. Zero tolerance. End of story.

How about the unnecessary separation of children from their parents?

Unnecessary? Really?
“Parents” get caught robbing a bank...they’re prosecuted and sentenced to years of incarceration...do they forfeit their children to “the system” due to their own actions....or do we send the children to live in their prison cell with them?
Come on people....THINK. This is such simple shit.

That is not the way the immigration system as worked before. The children and parents are housed together until they get their hearing. It isn't a criminal court system.

That worked until we found out that many of these children were not with parents but with human traffickers.

The term is smuggling not human trafficking. Human trafficking is the trade of humans for the purpose of forced labor, sexual slavery, or commercial sexual exploitation. Most human trafficking is via cargo vessels and cargo vans often going through ports of entry.
Smugglers, coyotes are hired to transport people across the boarder which is very common. In most years we have between 200,000 and 300,000 people crossing our southern boarder illegally.

From 2008 to 2010, Federal anti-trafficking task forces opened 2,515 suspected cases of human trafficking. During those years, it's estimated that more than 1.6 million illegal immigrants entered the US.