What Is It You Think You Can't Do Because of Political Correctness?

Btw the only way I was being condescending is if A&E didnt punish Duck Dynasty because Odin was pissed. You cant prove that Odin didnt have a role in it NOR can you prove that GLAAD had anything to do with it.

See the point? You'll say no but you do..

What point, that you are trying to corner me into proving a negative? one of the cheap-hooker tactics in debating?

When you see someone using "can't" and "didn't" during a discussion that close to each other, you know you are dealing with a person not entirely up to the challenge.

No I'm not trying to trick you into anything. I said you cannot prove YOUR OWN WORDS that GLAAD was the reason they were dropped no more than you can prove it was because they pissed off Odin.

But you consider my reasoning to be silly and yours to be valid AND YOU CANT PROVE EITHER ONE!

See the point? No? Then prove that GLAAD had something to do with it...go ahead. When you cant go ahead and neg rep yourself
 
Don't know if all 11 pages of this thread devolved into Phil Robertson discussion..

But what caught my attention was the HUGE # of "thanks" this OP got from folks that I thought SHOULD KNOW how PC rules and regs affect their lives.. Here's just a primer from ONE organization who can tell you --- What's wrong with "political correctness" -- especially in academia..


Top Cases - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE
Top Cases
■Dixie State University: School Rejects Student Group Because Its Name Includes Greek Letters
■University of Kansas: Anti-NRA Tweet Results in Professor's Suspension
■Modesto Junior College: Students Barred from Distributing Constitutions on Constitution Day
■University of Alabama: Pro-Choice Group Ordered to Get Permit for Non-Disruptive Expression or Face Arrest
■University of Central Florida: Professor Suspended for In-Class Joke
■Departments of Education and Justice: National Requirement for Unconstitutional Speech Codes
■Trinity College: New Social Code Erodes Freedom of Association
■Johns Hopkins University: Viewpoint-Based Rejection of Pro-Life Group
■DePaul University: Student Punished For Exposing Vandals of Pro-Life Display
■Montclair State University: Student Barred from Campus for Violating Unconstitutional 'Gag Order'

Bucks County Community College: Ideological Loyalty Oath for Professors - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE

Bucks County Community College: Ideological Loyalty Oath for ProfessorsProfessor of Sociology Myles Kelleher contacted FIRE after discovering that applicants for new faculty (and other) positions at Bucks County Community College (BCCC) would be required to "provide a brief statement of your commitment to diversity and how this commitment is demonstrated in your work," and to "certify" their understanding that "any false or misleading statement on this application constitutes sufficient grounds for dismissal." FIRE appealed to the court of public and moral opinion and wrote to BCCC's Board of Trustees and its major donors. The story became the focus of local and national. Due to FIRE's efforts this threat to liberty and privacy was overturned.

Political Litmus Test for Faculty at Virginia Tech - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE
Of the similar requirement now threatening academic freedom at Virginia Tech, Peter Wood writes that

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University—Virginia Tech—has imposed a political test on candidates for promotion and tenure. Specifically, Virginia Tech's College of Liberal Arts and Human Sciences is making active support and advancement of "diversity" a requirement for faculty to keep their positions and for promotion.

To start with, "Contributions to diversity" begin with "self-education." [Emphasis in Wood.] The first duty of the faculty member is to achieve ideological conformity, and the Dossier Guidelines gently explain how. This consists of submitting to training by the good folks at the Equal Opportunity Office, and at CEUT (Center for Excellence in Undergraduate Teaching), and attending lots of events such as "the Diversity Summit, identity group celebrations, Campus Climate Checkup, MLK events, special speakers, annual AdvanceVT, Scholarship of Diversity conferences, events hosted by Cranwell Center or Disability Services," and etc.

"Identity group celebrations" is an interesting way to demonstrate commitment to diversity. Is a pro-Israel celebration of the defeat of Palestinians going to count? What about a pro-Palestinian celebration of the defeat of Israelis? Or a pro-Catholic celebration of California's Proposition 8, or a pro-homosexual celebration of the possible defeat of Proposition 8? Is a racist or sexist identity group going to count?

All this stuff testifies to the conviction of the senior Virginia Tech administrators that the University's faculty members give little credence to the concept of "diversity." Many of those faculty members apparently have to be coerced into agreeing with the doctrine. No such assumption comes with the other kinds of service. It is assumed on those cases that the value of going to workshops, serving on committees, and assisting students in extra-curricular activities is self-evident. Only "diversity" requires reprogramming the ideas, ideals, and social attitudes of faculty members.

Tomorrow we can do "what's wrong with political correctness in your child's school".. Where WEEKLY common sense and reason is tossed COMPLETELY out the winder so that Political Correct Police can impose order..

Don't remember harrassing 8 yr olds for chewing their toast into the shape of a gun? Or the New England middle school that painted over the musket of their "patriot" mascot and put a broom in his hand?

Or last week -- the nine yr old that got tossed for kissing the hand of a girl??

What are you teaching these kids? Other than we don't live in a free country anymore and they are treated as INMATES in the public schools??

Again, we are putting people who are super sensitive and placing them into the PC police "box". You're attempting to make sense out of someone firing a teacher for an anti-NRA tweet?

Have at it! But once you come to the conclusion that they are just crazy motherfuckers remember that I told you and you couldve saved a ton of time instead of trying to decipher crazy
 
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Don't know if all 11 pages of this thread devolved into Phil Robertson discussion..

But what caught my attention was the HUGE # of "thanks" this OP got from folks that I thought SHOULD KNOW how PC rules and regs affect their lives.. Here's just a primer from ONE organization who can tell you --- What's wrong with "political correctness" -- especially in academia..


Top Cases - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE
Top Cases
■Dixie State University: School Rejects Student Group Because Its Name Includes Greek Letters
■University of Kansas: Anti-NRA Tweet Results in Professor's Suspension
■Modesto Junior College: Students Barred from Distributing Constitutions on Constitution Day
■University of Alabama: Pro-Choice Group Ordered to Get Permit for Non-Disruptive Expression or Face Arrest
■University of Central Florida: Professor Suspended for In-Class Joke
■Departments of Education and Justice: National Requirement for Unconstitutional Speech Codes
■Trinity College: New Social Code Erodes Freedom of Association
■Johns Hopkins University: Viewpoint-Based Rejection of Pro-Life Group
■DePaul University: Student Punished For Exposing Vandals of Pro-Life Display
■Montclair State University: Student Barred from Campus for Violating Unconstitutional 'Gag Order'

Bucks County Community College: Ideological Loyalty Oath for Professors - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE

Bucks County Community College: Ideological Loyalty Oath for ProfessorsProfessor of Sociology Myles Kelleher contacted FIRE after discovering that applicants for new faculty (and other) positions at Bucks County Community College (BCCC) would be required to "provide a brief statement of your commitment to diversity and how this commitment is demonstrated in your work," and to "certify" their understanding that "any false or misleading statement on this application constitutes sufficient grounds for dismissal." FIRE appealed to the court of public and moral opinion and wrote to BCCC's Board of Trustees and its major donors. The story became the focus of local and national. Due to FIRE's efforts this threat to liberty and privacy was overturned.

Political Litmus Test for Faculty at Virginia Tech - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE
Of the similar requirement now threatening academic freedom at Virginia Tech, Peter Wood writes that

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University—Virginia Tech—has imposed a political test on candidates for promotion and tenure. Specifically, Virginia Tech's College of Liberal Arts and Human Sciences is making active support and advancement of "diversity" a requirement for faculty to keep their positions and for promotion.

To start with, "Contributions to diversity" begin with "self-education." [Emphasis in Wood.] The first duty of the faculty member is to achieve ideological conformity, and the Dossier Guidelines gently explain how. This consists of submitting to training by the good folks at the Equal Opportunity Office, and at CEUT (Center for Excellence in Undergraduate Teaching), and attending lots of events such as "the Diversity Summit, identity group celebrations, Campus Climate Checkup, MLK events, special speakers, annual AdvanceVT, Scholarship of Diversity conferences, events hosted by Cranwell Center or Disability Services," and etc.

"Identity group celebrations" is an interesting way to demonstrate commitment to diversity. Is a pro-Israel celebration of the defeat of Palestinians going to count? What about a pro-Palestinian celebration of the defeat of Israelis? Or a pro-Catholic celebration of California's Proposition 8, or a pro-homosexual celebration of the possible defeat of Proposition 8? Is a racist or sexist identity group going to count?

All this stuff testifies to the conviction of the senior Virginia Tech administrators that the University's faculty members give little credence to the concept of "diversity." Many of those faculty members apparently have to be coerced into agreeing with the doctrine. No such assumption comes with the other kinds of service. It is assumed on those cases that the value of going to workshops, serving on committees, and assisting students in extra-curricular activities is self-evident. Only "diversity" requires reprogramming the ideas, ideals, and social attitudes of faculty members.

Tomorrow we can do "what's wrong with political correctness in your child's school".. Where WEEKLY common sense and reason is tossed COMPLETELY out the winder so that Political Correct Police can impose order..

Don't remember harrassing 8 yr olds for chewing their toast into the shape of a gun? Or the New England middle school that painted over the musket of their "patriot" mascot and put a broom in his hand?

Or last week -- the nine yr old that got tossed for kissing the hand of a girl??

What are you teaching these kids? Other than we don't live in a free country anymore and they are treated as INMATES in the public schools??

Again, we are putting people who are super sensitive and placing them into the PC police "box". You're attempting to make sense out of someone firing a teacher for an anti-NRA tweet?

Have at it! But once you come to the conclusion that they are just crazy motherfuckers remember that I told you and you couldve saved a ton of time instead of trying to decipher crazy

Yet these crazy motherfuckers have the power to screw with people's lives and the left seems to be just fine with that. Go figure.
 
Yet these crazy motherfuckers have the power to screw with people's lives and the left seems to be just fine with that. Go figure.

Just because you say they do doesnt mean thats what is happening. You would think that you not being able to prove it would be proof but....when you want to believe something it IS the truth.

Now which lefty fired someone for an anti-NRA tweet? :eusa_shhh: Just so fucking stupid to make this a left vs right.

They are hyper sensitive vs everyone else
 
Don't know if all 11 pages of this thread devolved into Phil Robertson discussion..

But what caught my attention was the HUGE # of "thanks" this OP got from folks that I thought SHOULD KNOW how PC rules and regs affect their lives.. Here's just a primer from ONE organization who can tell you --- What's wrong with "political correctness" -- especially in academia..


Top Cases - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE
Top Cases
■Dixie State University: School Rejects Student Group Because Its Name Includes Greek Letters
■University of Kansas: Anti-NRA Tweet Results in Professor's Suspension
■Modesto Junior College: Students Barred from Distributing Constitutions on Constitution Day
■University of Alabama: Pro-Choice Group Ordered to Get Permit for Non-Disruptive Expression or Face Arrest
■University of Central Florida: Professor Suspended for In-Class Joke
■Departments of Education and Justice: National Requirement for Unconstitutional Speech Codes
■Trinity College: New Social Code Erodes Freedom of Association
■Johns Hopkins University: Viewpoint-Based Rejection of Pro-Life Group
■DePaul University: Student Punished For Exposing Vandals of Pro-Life Display
■Montclair State University: Student Barred from Campus for Violating Unconstitutional 'Gag Order'

Bucks County Community College: Ideological Loyalty Oath for Professors - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE

Bucks County Community College: Ideological Loyalty Oath for ProfessorsProfessor of Sociology Myles Kelleher contacted FIRE after discovering that applicants for new faculty (and other) positions at Bucks County Community College (BCCC) would be required to "provide a brief statement of your commitment to diversity and how this commitment is demonstrated in your work," and to "certify" their understanding that "any false or misleading statement on this application constitutes sufficient grounds for dismissal." FIRE appealed to the court of public and moral opinion and wrote to BCCC's Board of Trustees and its major donors. The story became the focus of local and national. Due to FIRE's efforts this threat to liberty and privacy was overturned.

Political Litmus Test for Faculty at Virginia Tech - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE
Of the similar requirement now threatening academic freedom at Virginia Tech, Peter Wood writes that

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University—Virginia Tech—has imposed a political test on candidates for promotion and tenure. Specifically, Virginia Tech's College of Liberal Arts and Human Sciences is making active support and advancement of "diversity" a requirement for faculty to keep their positions and for promotion.

To start with, "Contributions to diversity" begin with "self-education." [Emphasis in Wood.] The first duty of the faculty member is to achieve ideological conformity, and the Dossier Guidelines gently explain how. This consists of submitting to training by the good folks at the Equal Opportunity Office, and at CEUT (Center for Excellence in Undergraduate Teaching), and attending lots of events such as "the Diversity Summit, identity group celebrations, Campus Climate Checkup, MLK events, special speakers, annual AdvanceVT, Scholarship of Diversity conferences, events hosted by Cranwell Center or Disability Services," and etc.

"Identity group celebrations" is an interesting way to demonstrate commitment to diversity. Is a pro-Israel celebration of the defeat of Palestinians going to count? What about a pro-Palestinian celebration of the defeat of Israelis? Or a pro-Catholic celebration of California's Proposition 8, or a pro-homosexual celebration of the possible defeat of Proposition 8? Is a racist or sexist identity group going to count?

All this stuff testifies to the conviction of the senior Virginia Tech administrators that the University's faculty members give little credence to the concept of "diversity." Many of those faculty members apparently have to be coerced into agreeing with the doctrine. No such assumption comes with the other kinds of service. It is assumed on those cases that the value of going to workshops, serving on committees, and assisting students in extra-curricular activities is self-evident. Only "diversity" requires reprogramming the ideas, ideals, and social attitudes of faculty members.

Tomorrow we can do "what's wrong with political correctness in your child's school".. Where WEEKLY common sense and reason is tossed COMPLETELY out the winder so that Political Correct Police can impose order..

Don't remember harrassing 8 yr olds for chewing their toast into the shape of a gun? Or the New England middle school that painted over the musket of their "patriot" mascot and put a broom in his hand?

Or last week -- the nine yr old that got tossed for kissing the hand of a girl??

What are you teaching these kids? Other than we don't live in a free country anymore and they are treated as INMATES in the public schools??

Again, we are putting people who are super sensitive and placing them into the PC police "box". You're attempting to make sense out of someone firing a teacher for an anti-NRA tweet?

Have at it! But once you come to the conclusion that they are just crazy motherfuckers remember that I told you and you couldve saved a ton of time instead of trying to decipher crazy

How oblivious do you have to be to not know that those "crazy m'fuckers" are ORGANIZED and their PC rules are CODIFIED in writing, training, and regulations ???

It's not that we have to LOOK for the crazy ones. EVERY school admin can SHOW YOU the rules.. And G-forbid, YOUR KID wears a Marine Corps tee shirt or religious symbol to school and gets suspended -- you will meet the WHOLE ARMY of them..

Don't buy that all this is unusual and isolated. It's a systemic problem with a lot of its own infrastructure.. Ever been to sensitity training?? Its a huge business.
 
"We hear so much about liberal tolerance and open-mindedness, yet in practice it’s hard, and getting harder, to find actual examples of anything but the opposite behavior from these self-declared humanist champions of free expression. The typical liberal now is as much characterized by his quickness to silence dissent as he is by his weak jaw-concealing hipster cheek scruff and his ability to pass for a woman in a tasteful skirt. He’s not a subversive; he’s a schoolmarm."

Is A Blubbering Inner Party Leftoid Trying To Silence Chateau Heartiste? | Chateau Heartiste
 
Yet these crazy motherfuckers have the power to screw with people's lives and the left seems to be just fine with that. Go figure.

Just because you say they do doesnt mean thats what is happening. You would think that you not being able to prove it would be proof but....when you want to believe something it IS the truth.

Now which lefty fired someone for an anti-NRA tweet? :eusa_shhh: Just so fucking stupid to make this a left vs right.

They are hyper sensitive vs everyone else

The hypersensitive?? Where ever there are ORGANIZED EFFORTS to trample freedom and 1st Amendment issues --- I GET HYPERSENSITIVE.. Why don't you?

The hypersensitive censors/busybodies you claim are rare birds don't WANT to see how HYPERSENSITIVE i can become... THEY are not consistent. I am...
 
Yet these crazy motherfuckers have the power to screw with people's lives and the left seems to be just fine with that. Go figure.

Just because you say they do doesnt mean thats what is happening. You would think that you not being able to prove it would be proof but....when you want to believe something it IS the truth.

Now which lefty fired someone for an anti-NRA tweet? :eusa_shhh: Just so fucking stupid to make this a left vs right.

They are hyper sensitive vs everyone else

Wrong, it's the super sensitive being given a megaphone by the leftist in the media bolstered by the leftist politicians, race baiters and the shit stains on this board that say these super sensitive people are the social norm. We all know better but that doesn't change the facts.
 
I cant call you a bull dyke at work, you would be screaming "hate speech".

Can you call anyone names at work?

Yep

But I cannot use sexually offensive terms... anti-PC, if you will.. or I can be fired ON THE SPOT... you can call someone a jerk, you can even call them white... you call someone a fag or use the a term for like 'black' when describing a co-worker, and LOOK OUT FOR THE FALLOUT


Sounds to me that you are the type of person that would love to live in the "flame zone".....a really nice place where everyone treats each other like crap.....that's your type of "America"? And you are a conservative, no?
 
How oblivious do you have to be to not know that those "crazy m'fuckers" are ORGANIZED and their PC rules are CODIFIED in writing, training, and regulations ???

It's not that we have to LOOK for the crazy ones. EVERY school admin can SHOW YOU the rules.. And G-forbid, YOUR KID wears a Marine Corps tee shirt or religious symbol to school and gets suspended -- you will meet the WHOLE ARMY of them..

Don't buy that all this is unusual and isolated. It's a systemic problem with a lot of its own infrastructure.. Ever been to sensitity training?? Its a huge business.

I am so oblivious that I will ask you to prove it. Since it is SOOOOO obvious and right there you should be able to post it no problem. You wont because you cant.

Show me those rule in writing. Training, regulations...this should be a goddam breeze for you champ. Go ahead and link it up

Every school admin can show what rules? Civility? Show me then...where is it? Kids at school wear crosses crosses at my childs school but that cant be happening because some asshat online said it isnt!! he just cant prove it.

Sensitivity training? No I havent been but you have which speaks for itself. So what landed you there the PC police or you being an Asshole?
 
Yet these crazy motherfuckers have the power to screw with people's lives and the left seems to be just fine with that. Go figure.

Just because you say they do doesnt mean thats what is happening. You would think that you not being able to prove it would be proof but....when you want to believe something it IS the truth.

Now which lefty fired someone for an anti-NRA tweet? :eusa_shhh: Just so fucking stupid to make this a left vs right.

They are hyper sensitive vs everyone else

The hypersensitive?? Where ever there are ORGANIZED EFFORTS to trample freedom and 1st Amendment issues --- I GET HYPERSENSITIVE.. Why don't you?

The hypersensitive censors/busybodies you claim are rare birds don't WANT to see how HYPERSENSITIVE i can become... THEY are not consistent. I am...

Where is this organized effort to stop the 1st amendment? And when did the US govt stop someone an violate their 1st amendment rights? I know of a few instances but you're pretending that the 1st amendment means everyone has to swallow your shit. It only applies to GOVT!!

Where are these examples of govt stiffling free speech? When you cant show any ask yourself why do you believe something you are unable to prove:lol:
 

All three of these guys were able to acquire guns with very little problem.

It's DEFINITELY a gun problem.

Thats a real chicken shit position.. Lets see how much you value civil liberties.. Would you favor legislation REQUIRING the disclosure of being under psych care? Would you allow their parents to commit them without legal proceedings? Should a university be REQUIRED to notify law enforcement if they evidence of severe mental issues? Im sure the NRA would welcome your thoughts on how to add them to a no-gun list, if you do it without smashing the rest of the Bill of Rights.. Go start a thread using those pixs and tutoring us as to separating crazy morons from the public... NOT HERE.
 
Just because you say they do doesnt mean thats what is happening. You would think that you not being able to prove it would be proof but....when you want to believe something it IS the truth.

Now which lefty fired someone for an anti-NRA tweet? :eusa_shhh: Just so fucking stupid to make this a left vs right.

They are hyper sensitive vs everyone else

The hypersensitive?? Where ever there are ORGANIZED EFFORTS to trample freedom and 1st Amendment issues --- I GET HYPERSENSITIVE.. Why don't you?

The hypersensitive censors/busybodies you claim are rare birds don't WANT to see how HYPERSENSITIVE i can become... THEY are not consistent. I am...

Where is this organized effort to stop the 1st amendment? And when did the US govt stop someone an violate their 1st amendment rights? I know of a few instances but you're pretending that the 1st amendment means everyone has to swallow your shit. It only applies to GOVT!!

Where are these examples of govt stiffling free speech? When you cant show any ask yourself why do you believe something you are unable to prove:lol:

I love the way the very leftists who would defend any of these silly onerous rules we subject our children to --- think that making me work listing almost inexhaustable instances of their handiwork is impossible, Im up to it. Why dont we start withe religious symbol nonsense that are in denial about. How about we let the ACLU lead the way on this one?

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression-public-schools

The ACLU of Virginia (2011) wrote a letter on behalf of a group of Christian athletes in Floyd County High School after the school removed copies of the Ten Commandments the athletes had displayed on the outside of their personal lockers.

https://acluva.org/7257/aclu-tells-...students-to-post-ten-commandments-on-lockers/

The ACLU of Texas *(2011) opposed a school district’s policy prohibiting students from visibly wearing rosaries, crosses, and other articles of faith.

ACLU of Texas Demands Brownsville ISD Disclose Policies Banning Rosaries And Crosses At School | ACLUTx.org - The American Civil Liberties Union of Texas

The ACLU of Nebraska (2011) objected to a public school district’s policy barring students from wearing rosaries.

That gang of nuns looks pretty dangerous

The ACLU of Colorado (2010) opposed a*public school’s policy that barred students from wearing crosses and rosaries in public view.*

ACLU Supports Students' Right of Religious Freedom | ACLU - Colorado

The ACLU of New Jersey (2010) submitted an*amicus*brief in support of *a public school student’s right to express her religious beliefs about abortion by wearing an armband with the word “LIFE” on it.

ACLU-NJ Defends Anti-Abortion Student's Free Speech

*********

The ACLU of Alaska (2010) advised the Alaska Department of Education to respect the religious freedom of Russian Old Believer families by arranging alternate testing dates for the High School Graduation Qualifying Exam, which conflicts with Holy Week for Russian Old Believer students.

http://www.akclu.org/NewsEvents/High-School-Qualifying-Exam-Testing-10-02-17.pdf

The ACLU of Florida (2009) filed a lawsuit against the Alachua County School District because school officials prohibited students—in school and at football games—from wearing t-shirts bearing religious messages, including those that proclaimed the primacy of Christianity and stated that “Islam is of the devil,” even though there was no evidence that the t-shirts had caused a disruption to the educational process.*

http://www.aclufl.org/news_events/?action=viewRelease&emailAlertID=3794

The ACLU of Virginia (2009) wrote a letter school to a public school in support of students’ right to wear t-shirts encouraging school-sponsored prayer.*

https://www.aclu.org/religion-belie...ool-allow-students-protest-aclu-football-game

The ACLU and ACLU of Texas (2008) filed a lawsuit on behalf of a five-year-old Native American boy who was forced into in-school suspension for wearing long braids as an expression of his religious beliefs and cultural heritage.

https://www.aclu.org/religion-belief/arocha-et-al-v-needville-independent-school-district-complaint

*

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2007) came to the defense of a second-grade student who, in response to a class assignment to write a story, submitted a story about Easter and redemption. After the teacher rejected the submission because of its religious content, the ACLU wrote a letter to the school on the student’s behalf..

*

The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) filed an*amicus*brief in support of an elementary school student who was prohibited from singing “Awesome God” in a voluntary after-school talent show for which students selected their own material.

https://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/25799prs20060605.html

*The ACLU of Michigan filed a lawsuit in Wayne County Circuit Court against Old Redford Academy, a public charter school in Detroit, for suspending, and trying to expel, a ninth-grade student who wore his hair long in accordance with a verse in Leviticus.

ACLU Applauds School's Decision to Grant Religious Accommodation to Student | ACLU of Michigan | Because Freedom Can?t Protect Itself

The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) filed a religious discrimination case on behalf of a Muslim student who had to choose between following his religious beliefs that forbid him from entering buildings with foreign religious symbols and attending his public high school graduation that was scheduled to be held in a church. The ACLU argued that the school’s decision unlawfully forced the student to choose between attending his graduation and violating his faith.

http://www.aclu-nj.org/news/schoolviolatesreligiousfre.htm

*

The ACLU of Louisiana (2005) successfully represented a Rastafarian mother and her fourth grade son, who was suspended for wearing dreadlocks in accordance with his faith.

http://www.laaclu.org/News/2005/Dec0705DreadlocksRapides.htm

The ACLU of Michigan (2004) represented a student whose yearbook entry, a Bible verse, was deleted because of its religious content.

https://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12845prs20040511.html

*

The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2005) defended the religious expression *rights of two teenage girls, who were threatened with punishment by school officials after seeking to wear, for religious reasons, anti-abortion t-shirts to school.

https://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12852prs20050429.html

*

The ACLU of Massachusetts (2003) filed an*amicus*brief in support of a group of students at Westfield High School who were suspended for distributing candy canes and a religious message in school.

https://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12828prs20030221.html*

The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2002) filed an*amicus*brief supporting a group of Christian students who sued Davenport Schools asserting their right to distribute religious literature during non-instructional time.

https://www.aclu.org/religion-belie...udents-distribute-christian-literature-school

How late you wanna work tonight denier? Tell me when we can move on to touching or banned speech...
 
The hypersensitive?? Where ever there are ORGANIZED EFFORTS to trample freedom and 1st Amendment issues --- I GET HYPERSENSITIVE.. Why don't you?

The hypersensitive censors/busybodies you claim are rare birds don't WANT to see how HYPERSENSITIVE i can become... THEY are not consistent. I am...

Where is this organized effort to stop the 1st amendment? And when did the US govt stop someone an violate their 1st amendment rights? I know of a few instances but you're pretending that the 1st amendment means everyone has to swallow your shit. It only applies to GOVT!!

Where are these examples of govt stiffling free speech? When you cant show any ask yourself why do you believe something you are unable to prove:lol:

I love the way the very leftists who would defend any of these silly onerous rules we subject our children to --- think that making me work listing almost inexhaustable instances of their handiwork is impossible, Im up to it. Why dont we start withe religious symbol nonsense that are in denial about. How about we let the ACLU lead the way on this one?

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression-public-schools

The ACLU of Virginia (2011) wrote a letter on behalf of a group of Christian athletes in Floyd County High School after the school removed copies of the Ten Commandments the athletes had displayed on the outside of their personal lockers.

https://acluva.org/7257/aclu-tells-...students-to-post-ten-commandments-on-lockers/

The ACLU of Texas *(2011) opposed a school district’s policy prohibiting students from visibly wearing rosaries, crosses, and other articles of faith.

ACLU of Texas Demands Brownsville ISD Disclose Policies Banning Rosaries And Crosses At School | ACLUTx.org - The American Civil Liberties Union of Texas

The ACLU of Nebraska (2011) objected to a public school district’s policy barring students from wearing rosaries.

That gang of nuns looks pretty dangerous

The ACLU of Colorado (2010) opposed a*public school’s policy that barred students from wearing crosses and rosaries in public view.*

ACLU Supports Students' Right of Religious Freedom | ACLU - Colorado

The ACLU of New Jersey (2010) submitted an*amicus*brief in support of *a public school student’s right to express her religious beliefs about abortion by wearing an armband with the word “LIFE” on it.

ACLU-NJ Defends Anti-Abortion Student's Free Speech

*********

The ACLU of Alaska (2010) advised the Alaska Department of Education to respect the religious freedom of Russian Old Believer families by arranging alternate testing dates for the High School Graduation Qualifying Exam, which conflicts with Holy Week for Russian Old Believer students.

http://www.akclu.org/NewsEvents/High-School-Qualifying-Exam-Testing-10-02-17.pdf

The ACLU of Florida (2009) filed a lawsuit against the Alachua County School District because school officials prohibited students—in school and at football games—from wearing t-shirts bearing religious messages, including those that proclaimed the primacy of Christianity and stated that “Islam is of the devil,” even though there was no evidence that the t-shirts had caused a disruption to the educational process.*

http://www.aclufl.org/news_events/?action=viewRelease&emailAlertID=3794

The ACLU of Virginia (2009) wrote a letter school to a public school in support of students’ right to wear t-shirts encouraging school-sponsored prayer.*

https://www.aclu.org/religion-belie...ool-allow-students-protest-aclu-football-game

The ACLU and ACLU of Texas (2008) filed a lawsuit on behalf of a five-year-old Native American boy who was forced into in-school suspension for wearing long braids as an expression of his religious beliefs and cultural heritage.

https://www.aclu.org/religion-belief/arocha-et-al-v-needville-independent-school-district-complaint

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The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2007) came to the defense of a second-grade student who, in response to a class assignment to write a story, submitted a story about Easter and redemption. After the teacher rejected the submission because of its religious content, the ACLU wrote a letter to the school on the student’s behalf..

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The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) filed an*amicus*brief in support of an elementary school student who was prohibited from singing “Awesome God” in a voluntary after-school talent show for which students selected their own material.

https://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/25799prs20060605.html

*The ACLU of Michigan filed a lawsuit in Wayne County Circuit Court against Old Redford Academy, a public charter school in Detroit, for suspending, and trying to expel, a ninth-grade student who wore his hair long in accordance with a verse in Leviticus.

ACLU Applauds School's Decision to Grant Religious Accommodation to Student | ACLU of Michigan | Because Freedom Can?t Protect Itself

The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) filed a religious discrimination case on behalf of a Muslim student who had to choose between following his religious beliefs that forbid him from entering buildings with foreign religious symbols and attending his public high school graduation that was scheduled to be held in a church. The ACLU argued that the school’s decision unlawfully forced the student to choose between attending his graduation and violating his faith.

http://www.aclu-nj.org/news/schoolviolatesreligiousfre.htm

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The ACLU of Louisiana (2005) successfully represented a Rastafarian mother and her fourth grade son, who was suspended for wearing dreadlocks in accordance with his faith.

http://www.laaclu.org/News/2005/Dec0705DreadlocksRapides.htm

The ACLU of Michigan (2004) represented a student whose yearbook entry, a Bible verse, was deleted because of its religious content.

https://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12845prs20040511.html

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The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2005) defended the religious expression *rights of two teenage girls, who were threatened with punishment by school officials after seeking to wear, for religious reasons, anti-abortion t-shirts to school.

https://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12852prs20050429.html

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The ACLU of Massachusetts (2003) filed an*amicus*brief in support of a group of students at Westfield High School who were suspended for distributing candy canes and a religious message in school.

https://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12828prs20030221.html*

The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2002) filed an*amicus*brief supporting a group of Christian students who sued Davenport Schools asserting their right to distribute religious literature during non-instructional time.

https://www.aclu.org/religion-belie...udents-distribute-christian-literature-school

How late you wanna work tonight denier? Tell me when we can move on to touching or banned speech...

A list of First Amendment issues, involving different matters and parties, in no way ‘proves’ there’s an ‘organized effort’ to ‘trample’ free speech or religious expression by the ‘left,’ just as examples of states and other local jurisdictions seeking to conjoin religion and the state doesn’t ‘prove’ an organized effort by conservatives to violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

Moreover, the myth of ‘political correctness’ has nothing to do with the First Amendment, as the Bill of Rights applies only to government or public sector law or policy making entities – not private organizations, private individuals, or private society as a whole.

Consequently, the OP’s premise is correct: because there is no such thing as ‘political correctness,’ there is nothing preventing anyone from saying or doing what he wishes, provided of course such speech or action is not illegal.
 
Conservatives now play the PC card the way they often accuse others of playing the race card.

Never was such a term more misunderstood and more misused. As I remember it, political correctness was originally about language: saying ‘domestic engineer’ instead of housewife, “waste management specialist” instead of garbage man, “administrative assistant” instead of secretary, etc. Now, it is used as a political ploy for people who don’t want to conform to current social mores.

It used to be called being polite and decent to people.

It is not ‘political correctness’ that most people are talking about when they use the term. What they are actually referring to are current social mores, current social values. The majority of our society now accepts gays and their right to have a respected place in our society. The majority of people in our society now believe that we should not use pejorative terms to refer to one or another gender, race, ethnic group, etc. What is being called ‘political correctness’ is something that has always existed in human civilization; it is the use of appropriate respect for others based on the values of your society. What the people who object to political correctness are objecting to is behaving, and speaking, in a way that is valued by our modern day society. If you are in the minority, you may not hold the same values as the majority, and, therefore, your desire to behave a certain way is condemned by the larger society. For example, as has been noted in this thread many times, it was once unacceptable for gays to acknowledge their sexuality, and so, to adhere to the norms and values of the society, they suppressed their true sexual identity and/or hid it from the larger society. Nowadays, we have, as a society (the majority of our society) come to accept gays, so now the tables have turned and those who continue to cling to an archaic social norm are unhappy and angry about having to suppress their personal outlook in public.

Times change. Societies change. Values change. It is not ‘political correctness’ that is the issue; it is acceptance of current social mores and norms, modern day social values. It isn’t an issue of free speech. Can your employer fire you for calling someone at work a 'bull dyke'? Perhaps not, legally, because free speech is a legal issue, not a social one. But your employer can fire you for creating a hostile environment in the work place, a social issue, because you are not conforming to current social values and thus making other employees uncomfortable, and in the end, it is an isssue of productiveness, of causing a problem with the productive atmosphere throughout the work place.

When you're living your life according to a book that was written hundreds or thousands of years ago, and that book's instructions reflect the mores of the times in which it was written, to justify adhering to that book assumes that the book got nothing wrong.

That adherence assumes that all social progress ended at the moment that book was finished.

This is absolutely correct: using a viewpoint that was written 2000 years ago as a benchmark for how we should live today is ridiculous. Picking and choosing certain values expressed in that document and then insisting everyone must conform to them is also ridiculous. The ideas in the Bible “reflect the mores of the times in which it was written.” Times change. If we stuck by all the values expressed in the Bible, we would be halting all social progress at 2000 years ago. That is ludicrous.


So a person should be fired or castigated for their personal views? ANY personal views that go against the grain of a protected class? And we are not talking about name calling here. A person cannot hold a view opposed to those held by the "right" people without fearing for their economic and social well being? They have to hide what they think just to preserve their own way of life?

I guess some animals are more equal than others.

It is not a matter of having personal views; it is a matter of feeling you can express them anywhere at any time in any way you want even though they are unacceptable in today’s current social environment. In past times, people who held socially unacceptable ideas, acted in socially unacceptable ways, or used socially unacceptable language were suppressed and/or ostracized for doing so—this is true throughout human history: it has nothing whatsoever to do with anything we would like to label as political correctness. It has nothing to do with politics-it has to do with acceptable public, social behavior. With civilized behavior. When you behave in ways that you are labeling as politically incorrect, you are actually behaving in ways that are uncivil: not conforming to current social expectations and values. Perhaps this is why the Republican party is sinking like a stone. "....you better start swimmin'/Or you'll sink like a stone/For the times they are a-changin'."

Times change, values change: what people who have a problem with what they consider ‘political correctness’ actually have a problem with is accepting the values of the majority, of the current social climate within which they live.

Chris Rock explained it best....

Two fat girls can joke about how fat they are, but if a skinny girl does it, it is just plain mean
Two poor people can joke about how poor they are, but if a rich person does it, it is just plain mean

Get it?

And this is very, very true and always has been. Cloistered nuns can make jokes about themselves and their lifestyle, but if an outsider does it, it’s not okay. Any group, anywhere, any time, can make inside jokes about themselves, but when an outsider does it, it is not okay. It has nothing to do with political correctness; it has to do with being polite and diplomatic and using plain old common sense. This has been true throughout human history. It is a matter of getting along with each other, showing respect for each other.
 
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All three of these guys were able to acquire guns with very little problem.

It's DEFINITELY a gun problem.

Thats a real chicken shit position.. Lets see how much you value civil liberties.. Would you favor legislation REQUIRING the disclosure of being under psych care? Would you allow their parents to commit them without legal proceedings? Should a university be REQUIRED to notify law enforcement if they evidence of severe mental issues? Im sure the NRA would welcome your thoughts on how to add them to a no-gun list, if you do it without smashing the rest of the Bill of Rights.. Go start a thread using those pixs and tutoring us as to separating crazy morons from the public... NOT HERE.

I could care less what the fucking NRA wants. The NRA should be declared a criminal conspiracy and prosecuted under RICO.

Point was, with all three of these guys, the Media determined that they were all crazy before the bodies were cold.

Crazy Person + Gun = tragedy.

Crazy Person - Gun = Just a crazy person who needs help.

It's simple math.

If you guys can't keep guns out of the hands of crazy people, then no one should have them because no one really needs them.

Every other industrial democracy has figured this out.
 

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