What is the Purpose of Gay Marriage?

We are not a theocracy, so obviously our rules don't come from some religion's storybook.
And neither are they dictated by citizens' personal preferences.

If you want to make gay Americans second class citizens, I suggest you amend the Constitution.
Failure to promote every person's sexual fettishes to equal standing with conventional sexuality doesn't make them second-class citizens. It simply acknowledges that hetero- and homosexuality are not the same thing and should not be treated as though they were.
 
marriage laws don't discriminate by gender....all men all women can marry....

discrimination doesn't fly....sexual orientation is not an immutable characteristic like skin color...

Yes it is but it's not as cut and dried as skin color. That's why you're having a hard time figuring this whole thing out.

there's no proof of that.....or would you care to provide it....?

I'm here to tell you it's immutable.

How's your heterosexuality? Immutable? Or did you turn straight at some point?
 
as i've said before if you can apply gender differently you can apply numbers differently....

we now have 41 states with laws that define marriage as one man one woman...how are those marriage laws unConstitutional.....they also are applied to everyone equally....no rights are being 'repressed'....


The Commonwealth of Virginia made the same argument, that the laws were applied equally to everyone when they segregated Civil Marriage based on race. The SCOTUS didn't buy it then either.

Same applies to segregation by gender.


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marriage laws don't discriminate by gender....all men all women can marry....

discrimination doesn't fly....sexual orientation is not an immutable characteristic like skin color...

It doesn’t need to be.

In both Romer and Lawrence the Supreme Court clearly established that equal protection and privacy rights pertain to freedom of choice, the right of the individual to self-determination, and the fundamental tenet that government can not interfere with how one defines himself as an individual. Therefore whether homosexuality is a ‘choice’ or naturally occurring is legally and Constitutionally irrelevant, and this is consequently a failed argument.
 
The Commonwealth of Virginia made the same argument, that the laws were applied equally to everyone when they segregated Civil Marriage based on race. The SCOTUS didn't buy it then either.

Same applies to segregation by gender.


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marriage laws don't discriminate by gender....all men all women can marry....

discrimination doesn't fly....sexual orientation is not an immutable characteristic like skin color...

It doesn’t need to be.

In both Romer and Lawrence the Supreme Court clearly established that equal protection and privacy rights pertain to freedom of choice, the right of the individual to self-determination, and the fundamental tenet that government can not interfere with how one defines himself as an individual. Therefore whether homosexuality is a ‘choice’ or naturally occurring is legally and Constitutionally irrelevant, and this is consequently a failed argument.

you can define yourself in a thousand ways.....by choice or by your nature.....that doesn't make you a Constitutionally protected minority class like blacks....in fact it all flys in the face of being a 'class'....

as individuals you are not being discriminated against either....you can still marry the opposite sex if you choose.....as many have done....
 
marriage laws don't discriminate by gender....all men all women can marry....

discrimination doesn't fly....sexual orientation is not an immutable characteristic like skin color...

It doesn’t need to be.

In both Romer and Lawrence the Supreme Court clearly established that equal protection and privacy rights pertain to freedom of choice, the right of the individual to self-determination, and the fundamental tenet that government can not interfere with how one defines himself as an individual. Therefore whether homosexuality is a ‘choice’ or naturally occurring is legally and Constitutionally irrelevant, and this is consequently a failed argument.

you can define yourself in a thousand ways.....by choice or by your nature.....that doesn't make you a Constitutionally protected minority class like blacks....in fact it all flys in the face of being a 'class'....

as individuals you are not being discriminated against either....you can still marry the opposite sex if you choose.....as many have done....

Why would they WANT to marry the opposite sex? Isn't that the whole point?? Do we need to define gay for you?
 
Yes it is but it's not as cut and dried as skin color. That's why you're having a hard time figuring this whole thing out.

there's no proof of that.....or would you care to provide it....?

I'm here to tell you it's immutable.

How's your heterosexuality? Immutable? Or did you turn straight at some point?

if it is 'immutable' then that proof would have been in the Courts by now and this whole question would have been already resolved....
 
there's no proof of that.....or would you care to provide it....?

I'm here to tell you it's immutable.

How's your heterosexuality? Immutable? Or did you turn straight at some point?

if it is 'immutable' then that proof would have been in the Courts by now and this whole question would have been already resolved....

Really? Do you think race wasn't considered an immutable trait in 1967?
 
there's no proof of that.....or would you care to provide it....?

I'm here to tell you it's immutable.

How's your heterosexuality? Immutable? Or did you turn straight at some point?

if it is 'immutable' then that proof would have been in the Courts by now and this whole question would have been already resolved....

You didn't answer the question.

Is your heterosexuality immutable?
 
I'm here to tell you it's immutable.

How's your heterosexuality? Immutable? Or did you turn straight at some point?

if it is 'immutable' then that proof would have been in the Courts by now and this whole question would have been already resolved....

You didn't answer the question.

Is your heterosexuality immutable?

i don't have to prove immutability.....gender is the criteria for marriage....

you're the one claiming immutability so as to be a protected class....so prove it....
 
if it is 'immutable' then that proof would have been in the Courts by now and this whole question would have been already resolved....

You didn't answer the question.

Is your heterosexuality immutable?

i don't have to prove immutability.....gender is the criteria for marriage....

you're the one claiming immutability so as to be a protected class....so prove it....

Run away! Run away!
 
marriage laws don't discriminate by gender....all men all women can marry....

discrimination doesn't fly....sexual orientation is not an immutable characteristic like skin color...

It doesn’t need to be.

In both Romer and Lawrence the Supreme Court clearly established that equal protection and privacy rights pertain to freedom of choice, the right of the individual to self-determination, and the fundamental tenet that government can not interfere with how one defines himself as an individual. Therefore whether homosexuality is a ‘choice’ or naturally occurring is legally and Constitutionally irrelevant, and this is consequently a failed argument.

you can define yourself in a thousand ways.....by choice or by your nature.....that doesn't make you a Constitutionally protected minority class like blacks....in fact it all flys in the face of being a 'class'....

as individuals you are not being discriminated against either....you can still marry the opposite sex if you choose.....as many have done....

So...Religion isn't protected because it's a choice.
 
It doesn’t need to be.

In both Romer and Lawrence the Supreme Court clearly established that equal protection and privacy rights pertain to freedom of choice, the right of the individual to self-determination, and the fundamental tenet that government can not interfere with how one defines himself as an individual. Therefore whether homosexuality is a ‘choice’ or naturally occurring is legally and Constitutionally irrelevant, and this is consequently a failed argument.

you can define yourself in a thousand ways.....by choice or by your nature.....that doesn't make you a Constitutionally protected minority class like blacks....in fact it all flys in the face of being a 'class'....

as individuals you are not being discriminated against either....you can still marry the opposite sex if you choose.....as many have done....

So...Religion isn't protected because it's a choice.

read your Constitution.....religion is right in there....unlike gay marriage...
 
you can define yourself in a thousand ways.....by choice or by your nature.....that doesn't make you a Constitutionally protected minority class like blacks....in fact it all flys in the face of being a 'class'....

as individuals you are not being discriminated against either....you can still marry the opposite sex if you choose.....as many have done....

So...Religion isn't protected because it's a choice.

read your Constitution.....religion is right in there....unlike gay marriage...

Yes...a CHOICE has been in the constitution...ergo, being a CHOICE does not eliminate something for protection. Thank you for proving my point. :clap2:
 
you can define yourself in a thousand ways.....by choice or by your nature.....that doesn't make you a Constitutionally protected minority class like blacks....in fact it all flys in the face of being a 'class'....

as individuals you are not being discriminated against either....you can still marry the opposite sex if you choose.....as many have done....

So...Religion isn't protected because it's a choice.

read your Constitution.....religion is right in there....unlike gay marriage...

Are you still trying to deny that marriage has been declared a fundamental right that you can't even deny murderers on death row (who also can't conceive)?
 
if it is 'immutable' then that proof would have been in the Courts by now and this whole question would have been already resolved....

You didn't answer the question.

Is your heterosexuality immutable?

i don't have to prove immutability.....gender is the criteria for marriage....

you're the one claiming immutability so as to be a protected class....so prove it....

So you admit then to discrimination based on gender. That's helpful.
 
i don't have to prove immutability.....gender is the criteria for marriage....

you're the one claiming immutability so as to be a protected class....so prove it....

So you admit then to discrimination based on gender. That's helpful.

not at all.....you are free to marry a man....

Just as blacks were free to marry blacks and whites to marry whites. Argument tried and failed. It must be so frustrating to see history run you over. :lol:
 
i don't have to prove immutability.....gender is the criteria for marriage....

you're the one claiming immutability so as to be a protected class....so prove it....

So you admit then to discrimination based on gender. That's helpful.

not at all.....you are free to marry a man....

Gays have been marrying for probably as long as there have been humans. It is as natural to gays, and to human beings, as marrying the opposite sex is to heterosexuals.
 

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