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Calling all (kosher) stoners!Should've been named "Let's Try Hashish", of course."The Palestinians didn't know there were soldiers behind them, and the soldiers would just spray their legs. . . . His one goal was to lure Palestinian children, just to cut off their legs." "We had a commander in the unit who would just say in these words, . . . 'I want bodies. That's what I want.'""'You're not ranked by arrests -- you're ranked by the number of people you kill.'" davidswanson.org How to Criticize the Israeli Government | Let's Try Democracy
The Pro- Palestinian wants to know what Israel has offered.
Fact Sheet:
Abbas is the Obstacle to Peace
(Updated February 2012)
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Israel, the United States and most of the international community were pleased when Mahmoud Abbas was elected in 2005 as President of the Palestinian Authority (PA). Expectations were high that Abbas would radically alter the policies of his predecessor, consolidate his power, reform the PA, and put an end to years of senseless violence that had claimed many innocent lives on both sides and had left Palestinians with a feeling of hopelessness.
Abbas, however, has done little since then to deserve the faith the international community placed in him.
Rather than taking tangible steps toward peace, Abbas has done nothing but bypass and evade bilateral negotiations with Israel while incessantly repeating the longstanding irredentist demands of the PLO. Moreover, Abbas' insistence that Israeli intransigence - not Palestinian - has stalled the peace process, displays an incredibly narrow and hazy grasp on recent history. Abbas's power, prestige and popularity have dramatically weakened over the years, both internationally and amongst the Palestinian people, and the evidence is overwhelming that he is the biggest obstacle to making peace with Israel.
Abbas's refusal in both January 2012 and October 2011 to discuss tangible peace initiatives with Israel through talks facilitated by Jordanian King Abdullah and the Mideast Quartet - a grouping of Russia, the EU, US and UN - barely made news headlines. Likewise, his requirement that Israel meet a set of strict preconditions before negotiations - including a settlement construction freeze, acceptance of a Palestinian state based on pre-1967 lines, and the release of Palestinian prisoners not included in the Gilad Shalit exchange deal - was also mostly excused by an international media all too quick to make excuses for the Palestinian leader.
These recent refusals are far from the first times that the Abbas government has responded to Israeli peace initiatives with blank stares and impossible demands. In fact, they reflect a longstanding trend of evading negotiations that Abbas has maintained from his predecessor Yasser Arafat. Despite at least three successive Israeli administrations voicing support for compromise, Abbas has shown no willingness to meet Israel halfway.
In 2005, when Israeli PM Ariel Sharon ordered the evacuation of all Israeli civilian and military personnel from the Gaza Strip, Abbas had an opportunity to announce that he would support the end of occupation and would begin to build the infrastructure of a state. Instead, he emphatically opposed the withdrawal, preferring occupation to a position where Palestinians could actually enjoy independence. Abbas, however, was given the benefit of the doubt by external analysts because of his relatively moderate tone.
Abbas wasted yet another golden opportunity for peace in 2008. That year, Israeli PM Ehud Olmert made an offer for peace so overt that US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice called it "amazing" and warned that "Yitzhak Rabin had been killed for offering far less." Olmert's offer called for Israeli withdrawal from approximately 94% of the West Bank, the creation of a pasasge from the West Bank to Gaza, and the equal "swapping" of land so that Israel could annex its major settlement blocs. Olmert even proposed to divide Jerusalem and absorb a few thousand Palestinian refugees. Abbas, though, refused to consummate the deal. As Israeli daily Haaretz noted, "aficionados of the Palestinians again found a million and one reasons why the peace-loving Palestinian leader had refused the offer."
In 2009, Abbas again refused to negotiate, this time with new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and rejected the Israeli leader's offer to immediately resume talks without preconditions. Perfidiously playing the game of diplomacy, Abbas's chief negotiator Saeb Erekat called on the Arab countries to suspend the Arab peace initiative and called on the international community to isolate Netanyahu for sabotaging the peace process. Abbas, meanwhile, said he hoped the Obama Administration would force Netanyahu out of office and declared his willingness to wait years until that happened.
In 2010, Abbas made clear that he refused to even sit in the same room with the Israelis and the Obama administration had to levy all of its political power just to pressure the Palestinians into "proximity talks" with U.S. special envoy George Mitchell. Not surprisingly, these talks yielded little progress. Abbas's senior aide, Tayeb Abdel Rahim, said that Israel's request to launch direct negotiations was unacceptable. Even after Israel placed a ten-month moratorium on settlement construction in the West Bank, Abbas refused to sit with the Israeli leaders.
In 2011, Abbas finally took tangible steps in the peace process - only in the wrong direction. His political party, Fatah, declared war on normalization with Israel and discounted peace talks as useless. Later, Abbas agreed to a reconciliation agreement with Hamas despite the fact that it is an internationally recognized terrorist organization and vows to never negotiate with Israel. And, in September, Abbas tried to completely bypass negotiations once and for all, with the tacit support of the international community, by officially requesting that the United Nations recognize the independence of a unilaterally declared Palestinian state.
Mahmoud Abbas has consistently refused to negotiate a deal now with three different Israeli prime ministers and there is no reason to expect that a change in Israeli leadership would make him any less intransigent. Abbas has proven time and again that he is either incapable or unwilling to deliver on any agreement, yet despite this fact, Israel has repeatedly been asked by external actors to make gestures to the Palestinians.
Not surprisingly, no offer has ever been sufficient. If Israel releases prisoners, it is not enough; if Israel agrees to withdraw troops or dismantle checkpoints, it makes no impression on Abbas.
The United States and the international community continue to place all their faith in a man whose track record suggests that he will remain the principal obstacle to any progress in the peace process. Rather than continuing to pressure Israel to make concessions, it is past time to look and work for a Palestinian leader who will respect not only the hopes of Israel but the wishes of his own people, the majority of whom would prefer to live in peace rather than continue to pursue a futile and endless strategy of "resistance."
The " Arab Peace Initiative" that is spoken about has to do with the 67 Lines that were never recognized or respected plus " Right of Return". Someone please explain this to the Pro- Palestinian who has a problem with reading comphrension
No link, but it reads like an Israeli propaganda site.
Anytime I post something you post the above. Anytime I supply the link there is no response. Perfect example; You wanted the link where Abbas stated No Jews in " Palestine" and I gave it to you As usual there was no response. Don't believe the above? Google it yourself then. You won't because you don't have the Guts.
Abbas stated No Jews in " Palestine" and I gave it to you ...
Hey vet, what moronic army would let you in? Probably one that can't win a war, like the US army or the IDF. Which is it?
Hey, you asshole; Still waiting for you to tell us what compromises and concessions Abbas has made. Give them the proof they ask for and they ignore it. All Pro- Palestinians have are Big Mouths.
No link, but it reads like an Israeli propaganda site.
Anytime I post something you post the above. Anytime I supply the link there is no response. Perfect example; You wanted the link where Abbas stated No Jews in " Palestine" and I gave it to you As usual there was no response. Don't believe the above? Google it yourself then. You won't because you don't have the Guts.
Abbas stated No Jews in " Palestine" and I gave it to you ...
No you didn't.
Anytime I post something you post the above. Anytime I supply the link there is no response. Perfect example; You wanted the link where Abbas stated No Jews in " Palestine" and I gave it to you As usual there was no response. Don't believe the above? Google it yourself then. You won't because you don't have the Guts.
Abbas stated No Jews in " Palestine" and I gave it to you ...
No you didn't.
Yes I did . Go back on the board.
. And those who expect the Palestinians to agree to a downgraded version of what they rejected in the past somehow reenact the famous spat between Winston Churchill and Lady Astor (“Winston, if you were my husband, I’d poison your tea … Nancy, if I were your husband, I would drink it”.
Where is the quote saying no Jews?
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So now here is the question Netanyahu cleverly asked in his masterly address to the US Congress. If the benefits of peace with the Palestinians are so clear, why has peace eluded us? Netanyahus answer to his own rhetorical question was correct: the Palestinian leadership has always refused, and continues to refuse, to sign a peace agreement that entails the acceptance and permanence of the Jewish state, regardless of its borders. Hence the PAs rejection of the offers by Ehud Barack (in 2000) and by Ehud Olmert (in 2008) to establish a Palestinian state on virtually the entire West Bank and Gaza. Arafat and Abbas said no, because they were asked to abandon the fantasy of invading Israel with the descendants of the 1948 Arab refugees, because they refused to recognize the Jewish past of the Temple Mount, and because they would not commit to ending the conflict after reaching statehood.
So then here is another question. If Abbas refused to establish a Palestinian state within borders that were practically identical to the 1949 armistice lines, why would he accept to establish a Palestinian state on a smaller territory in order for Israel to have defensible borders? Those who claim that Israel will eventually achieve peace by keeping offering the Palestinians what theyve rejected many times are a lively example of Einsteins definition of insanity (doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results). And those who expect the Palestinians to agree to a downgraded version of what they rejected in the past somehow reenact the famous spat between Winston Churchill and Lady Astor (Winston, if you were my husband, Id poison your tea Nancy, if I were your husband, I would drink it).
A standard answer to this question is that all Israel needs to do in order to achieve peace with the Palestinians is to withdraw to the 1967 border. There never was such a border. What existed between 1949 and 1967 was an armistice line specifically defined as temporary in the Rhodes Agreements upon Jordans insistence. This line was not a border and never was meant to become one. UN Security Council Resolution 242 was specifically worded so as not to convert the armistice line into a border. There is no legal basis for demanding an Israeli withdrawal to the 1949 armistice line. But besides legality, claiming that withdrawing to those lines will produce peace with the Palestinians defies logics. There was no peace before 1967, so why would rewinding history back to 1967 bring a peace that didnt exist then?
The reason why Israel was able to extract a peace agreement (though no real peace) from Sadat by withdrawing from Sinai is that all Sadat wanted was Sinai (and, incidentally, the American financial largess that came with it). If all the Palestinians wanted were the West Bank and Gaza, the rewind to 1967 formula would work with them as well. But since what they want is all of Palestine, previous attempts to bring them to sign a peace agreement by settling for the pre-1967 setting have failed. The PA teaches Palestinian children that Jaffa and Haifa will eventually be liberated from the Zionist invaders and that the only purpose of signing agreements with the infidels is to achieve the ultimate goal of liberating all of Palestine. The message is getting through. A poll conducted by Stanley Greenberg in November 2010 reveals that 60% of Palestinians see in the two-state solution a mere step to replace Israel with an exclusively Arab state.
The claim that the Palestinians have abandoned their goal of liberating all of Palestine ignores what they themselves keep saying (though, admittedly, in Arabic). On May 28, Mahmud Abbas declared in Doha that he will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state, that he will never give up on the right of return, and that the future Palestinian state will be clean (or empty, depending on the translation) of any Israeli presence (including civilians). In such a scenario, the State of Israel would lose its Jewish majority, while the Palestinian state will be clean of any Jew. Jews would become a minority between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and they would be ruled by the Arab majority. If Abbas is so clear about his true intentions, and if he is so explicit about them, why is it so hard to believe him?
What would the worlds reaction be if Netanyahu declared that the State of Israel should be clean of any Arab? A two-state solution does not exclude the presence of minorities on both sides. India was partitioned in 1947, but there are Muslims in India and Hindus in Pakistan. This is what Netanyahu meant in his speech to Congress when he said that in any real peace agreement that ends the conflict, some settlements will end up beyond Israels borders. Contrary to what The Economist mistakenly (or mischievously) wrote, this doesnt mean that some Jewish towns would by implication, have to be removed (You cant make everyone happy, The Economist, May 26). It means that in a true peace there should be a Jewish minority in the Palestinian state, the same way that there is an Arab minority in the Jewish state. Either the Palestinian state is willing to tolerate a Jewish minority with equal civil rights similar to the ones enjoyed by Arabs in the State of Israel, or it is committed to ethnic cleansing. In that case, there should be a mutual population transfer, as suggested back in 1937 by the Peel Commission, between the two states.
Accepting the principle that there should be an Arab minority in the Jewish state but no Jewish minority in the Palestinian state would set an unprecedented double-standard; it would absolve the Palestinians for their intolerance towards minorities; and it would implicitly endorse the idea that the Arabs have stronger rights than the Jews over a land that both peoples claim to be theirs.
Having " trouble" with the link? The author and date of this article are right on top. I realize it's hard for ANY Pro- Palestinian to admit they're wrong but in ADDITION to Abbas saying " No Israelis "( It IS understood that MOST Israelis are Jewish) he ALSO stated NO JEWS
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All the Pro- Palestinian SCUM knows how to do is insult; especially this one. She claims she has " proof" that the Palestinians are cooperating in " negotiations" and it's ALL Israel's fault yet can't submit ANY proof when challenged. She wanted proof about Israel past negotiations. That was done with the result being insults. I have explained to this SCUM several times that Abbas has stated he will NOT accept anything short of 67 Borders and " Right of Return". This is well Documented EVERYWHERE for one who knows how to read yet she denies it. This is TYPICAL of the Pro- Palestinian mindset
veteran-----I have named the islamo-nazi approach to 'reality'----the
TINKERBELLE PHENOMENON -------just repeat over and over
I DO BELIEVE IN FAIRIES I DO BELIEVE IN FAIRIES ........
and tinkerbelle will BE A REALITY
veteran-----I have named the islamo-nazi approach to 'reality'----the
TINKERBELLE PHENOMENON -------just repeat over and over
I DO BELIEVE IN FAIRIES I DO BELIEVE IN FAIRIES ........
and tinkerbelle will BE A REALITY
It's just unbelievable. I posted one article which clearly stated NO ISRAELIS which AUTOMATICALLY means NO JEWS then I posted another one which states NO JEWS.
Regarding past " negotiations and compromises" Israel has put forth I posted. Of course they were DE- NIED especially by the Pro- Palestinian DIRTBAGS One especially CONSTANTLY denies that Abbas is DEMANDING the 67 Borders yet she refuses to offer her " resources". That's because she doesn't have any. All she has is a big mouth
Ok, show me where I said that I have proof that the Pals... You just make shit up for no reason other than to deflect. I've said over and over again that I think Israel should take the opportunity as the dominant player right now to offer a meaningful peace deal to the arabs, and not just sit around waiting to get nuked. THAT"S IT!!!!!!!search FF
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Did you scrub a lot of toilets in the IDF?
All the Pro- Palestinian SCUM knows how to do is insult; especially this one. She claims she has " proof" that the Palestinians are cooperating in " negotiations" and it's ALL Israel's fault yet can't submit ANY proof when challenged. She wanted proof about Israel past negotiations. That was done with the result being insults. I have explained to this SCUM several times that Abbas has stated he will NOT accept anything short of 67 Borders and " Right of Return". This is well Documented EVERYWHERE for one who knows how to read yet she denies it. This is TYPICAL of the Pro- Palestinian mindset
Ok, show me where I said that I have proof that the Pals... You just make shit up for no reason other than to deflect. I've said over and over again that I think Israel should take the opportunity as the dominant player right now to offer a meaningful peace deal to the arabs, and not just sit around waiting to get nuked. THAT"S IT!!!!!!!All the Pro- Palestinian SCUM knows how to do is insult; especially this one. She claims she has " proof" that the Palestinians are cooperating in " negotiations" and it's ALL Israel's fault yet can't submit ANY proof when challenged. She wanted proof about Israel past negotiations. That was done with the result being insults. I have explained to this SCUM several times that Abbas has stated he will NOT accept anything short of 67 Borders and " Right of Return". This is well Documented EVERYWHERE for one who knows how to read yet she denies it. This is TYPICAL of the Pro- Palestinian mindset
According to you it's ALL Israel's fault so the Palestinians have to be " offering something". You CONSTANTLY deny that Abbas is DEMANDING the 67 BORDERS plus " Right of Return" yet you fail to provide proof. You CLAIM that Israel never made an offer ignoring proof that it's a lie,, that Israel did leave Gaza and immediately got " rewarded" with more Rockets.
Get it through your PRO- PALESTINIAN HEAD. Israel is NOT going to go back to the Borders that were NEVER honored or respected by the Arabs or allow " Right of Return" Iran initiating War with Israel? I thought it was Israel who was supposed to threaten with the First Nuke lol. I can see the Headlines; IRAN INITIATES WW 111
veteran-----I have named the islamo-nazi approach to 'reality'----the
TINKERBELLE PHENOMENON -------just repeat over and over
I DO BELIEVE IN FAIRIES I DO BELIEVE IN FAIRIES ........
and tinkerbelle will BE A REALITY
Abbas sez:Maybe that explains why you can't provide a link proving Abbas's alleged insistence?
"Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas made a rare if symbolic concession to Israel on Thursday, saying he had no permanent claim on the town from which he was driven as a child during the 1948 war of the Jewish state’s founding.Abbas sez:Maybe that explains why you can't provide a link proving Abbas's alleged insistence?
Peres: PA president is partner for peace; Netanyahu: Abbas' words are empty - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
Abbas wants U.N. nod for Palestine - The Times-Gazette
Mahmoud Abbas Concedes No Right of Return
