What Kind of State in Israel?

[proudveteran06]

Maybe that explains why you can't provide a link proving Abbas's alleged insistence?

Denying that Abbas is INSISTING on the 67 Borders? When confronted with the truth all these Pro- Palestinian liars know how to do is lie It's in their blood

 

[proudveteran06]

Click here: Abbas Demands Palestinian State with 1967 Borders to UN — California Political Review

Let him keep insisting on the Borders that were not recognized or respected by the Arabs plus " Right of Return". His " Palestinian State" will not happen.

 

[georgephillip]

Click here.
1967 borders with "minor and mutual modifications" are the starting point for negotiations AFTER the Treasured People stop stealing the land being negotiated over.
Click here...and here...and here if terminally retarded.

 

[irosie91]

there were no borders in 1967-------if there were borders in 1967----why did Nasser want to have a war? to establish borders? how can any one "steal land" if there are no borders? can we assume that egypt and jordan and syria are STEALING land since they do use lots of the DISPUTED non bordered areas

 

[Hossfly]

Abbas Demands Palestinian State with 1967 Borders to UN

 

[proudveteran06]

Click here.
1967 borders with "minor and mutual modifications" are the starting point for negotiations AFTER the Treasured People stop stealing the land being negotiated over.
Click here...and here...and here if terminally retarded.

So, ONE of the Pro- Palestinians FINALLY agrees with me. We are still talking BASICALLY about the 1967 Borders which Israel will NOT go back to which is what I have been stating all along.

Abbas wants Israel TOTALLY out of the W.Bank and E. Jerusalem with " Right of Return". It's not going to happen. Abbas had the perfect chance for his " Palestinian State" after Israel left Gaza. He blew it. Read SLOWLY if terminally retarded

 

[proudveteran06]

Click here.
1967 borders with "minor and mutual modifications" are the starting point for negotiations AFTER the Treasured People stop stealing the land being negotiated over.
Click here...and here...and here if terminally retarded.

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Abbas wants return to pre-1967 borders




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RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Wednesday laid out his most specific demands for the borders of a future independent state, calling for a full Israeli withdrawal from all territories captured in the 1967 Mideast war.

Abbas' claim comes as Israeli and Palestinian negotiating teams are trying to hammer out a joint vision for a future peace deal in time for a U.S.-hosted conference next month.

With Israel seeking to retain parts of the West Bank and east Jerusalem, Abbas' comments appeared to set the stage for tough negotiations, which are expected to include complicated arrangements such as land swaps and shared control over holy sites.

In a television interview, Abbas said the Palestinians want to establish a state on 6,205 square kilometers (2,400 square miles) of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. It was the first time he has given a precise number for the amount of land he is seeking.

"We have 6,205 square kilometers in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip," Abbas told Palestine TV. "We want it as it is."


According to Palestinian negotiating documents obtained by The Associated Press, the Palestinian demands include all of the Gaza Strip, West Bank, east Jerusalem and small areas along the West Bank frontier that were considered no-man's land before the 1967 war.

Abbas said his claim is backed by U.N. resolutions. "This is our vision for the Palestinian independent state with full sovereignty on its borders, water and resources."

Israeli government spokeswoman Miri Eisin declined to comment, saying she did not want to prejudice negotiations. But the Palestinian demands appear to exceed anything that Israel would be willing to offer.

Israeli and Palestinian negotiators held their first working meeting this week as they try to hammer out a joint declaration in time for next month's conference. The U.S. hopes the document will provide a launching ground for full-fledged negotiations on a final peace agreement.

Israel captured the territories in the 1967 Mideast war and hopes in a final peace deal with the Palestinians to hold on to parts of the West Bank where Jewish settlement blocs are located. Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

Despite Abbas' tough public stance, aides to Abbas said he has agreed in recent talks with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to exchange West Bank land Israel wants to keep in a final peace deal with an equal amount of Israeli land. This would allow Israel to annex the West Bank area where the settlement blocs are located.

As part of the proposal, Abbas offered Olmert about 2% of the West Bank, the aides said. Olmert is seeking some 6-8% of the West Bank, but has said the exact amount of territory should be decided in future negotiations. The aides spoke on condition of anonymity since they were not authorized to discuss sensitive diplomatic matters with the media.

In exchange for the West Bank land, Israel is reportedly considering transferring to the Palestinians a strip of area between the Gaza Strip and West Bank to allow for a connection between them.

Abbas said the joint statement at the conference must deal with the main hurdles preventing a final peace agreement.

"The international conference must include the six major issues that are Jerusalem, refugees, borders, settlements, water and security," Abbas said.

Meanwhile, Israeli troops shot and killed a Palestinian militant affiliated with Abbas' Fatah Party in a raid early Wednesday, members of the armed group said.

The shooting also wounded a senior militant from the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, the group said. The wounded man, Sufian Kandeel, had recently signed a deal granting him amnesty from Israel, but had not fulfilled several conditions, group spokesman Mahdi Abu Ghazaleh said.

Israel's army said it was checking into the report.

Witnesses said the Israeli soldiers entered Nablus' Old City, known as a militant stronghold, disguised in Palestinian security forces uniforms and carrying Kalashnikov rifles typical of the forces, witnesses said.

They spoke Arabic to passersby, asking "how are you," and raising no suspicions as they took positions on rooftops, the witnesses said.

The troops shot toward about a dozen Palestinian militants, some of whom were armed, and wounded Kandeel, who was unarmed, Abu Ghazaleh said. As the militants tried to evacuate Kandeel, the troops shot again, killing another unarmed man, he said.

Members of the group had said earlier that the two men were armed, but Abu Ghazaleh, who was at the scene of the shooting, said after that they were not.

Israel has in recent weeks offered several gestures to Abbas in an effort to strengthen the leader in the eyes of Palestinians.

Hamas' seizure of power in the Gaza Strip in intense fighting in June, left Abbas and a Western-backed government in control of the West Bank.

Get it, stupid?? Of course not

 

[georgephillip]

Fuck you, Bitch.

"The United States has slammed Israel for continuing to announce new settlement construction on land claimed by the Palestinians in an unusually rare and blunt criticism of its top Mideast ally.

The State Department accused Israel on Tuesday of engaging in a 'pattern of provocative action' that runs counter to statements from Israeli leaders that they are committed to peace. Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said settlement activity only puts the goal of peace 'further at risk.' She urged both Israel and the Palestinians to halt all provocations and take steps to revive long-stalled peace talks."

U.S. slams Israeli 'pattern of provocation' - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

 

[irosie91]

yeah? so??

 

[Hossfly]

Fuck you, Bitch.

"The United States has slammed Israel for continuing to announce new settlement construction on land claimed by the Palestinians in an unusually rare and blunt criticism of its top Mideast ally.

The State Department accused Israel on Tuesday of engaging in a 'pattern of provocative action' that runs counter to statements from Israeli leaders that they are committed to peace. Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said settlement activity only puts the goal of peace 'further at risk.' She urged both Israel and the Palestinians to halt all provocations and take steps to revive long-stalled peace talks."

U.S. slams Israeli 'pattern of provocation' - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

You don't have to talk so sweetly, George, or should I say Dumas?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where did Abbas get the authority to change Palestine's borders to the 1949 armistice lines?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what I mean when I say, the Palestinians have no one single voice of authority.

Where did Abbas get the authority to change Palestine's borders to the 1949 armistice lines?

(COMMENT)

Negotiations are impossible because everyone complains about the terms. Nothing the Palestinians say has any meaning because everyone has a different agenda and every offering is challenged.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[ima]

Fuck you, Bitch.

"The United States has slammed Israel for continuing to announce new settlement construction on land claimed by the Palestinians in an unusually rare and blunt criticism of its top Mideast ally.

The State Department accused Israel on Tuesday of engaging in a 'pattern of provocative action' that runs counter to statements from Israeli leaders that they are committed to peace. Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said settlement activity only puts the goal of peace 'further at risk.' She urged both Israel and the Palestinians to halt all provocations and take steps to revive long-stalled peace talks."

U.S. slams Israeli 'pattern of provocation' - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Israel is provoking the arabs because they all want to be nuked. Me thinks that they'll get their wish soon enough.

 

[irosie91]

The CounterPunch POV: "Israel was established to be a Jewish state.

The Saudi Arabia was established to be an arab state, etc.. Counterpunch are dumbass masturbants, of course.

How many Jewish children have Saudis killed?

The entire jewish population of the nation now called SAUDI ARABIA
was genocided out of existence. Following that event----people FROM
that nation now called saudi arabia ----invaded lands in north africa and asia
on a rampage of rape, murder and pillage. The dogs of arabia went to
lands with high populations of jews on their rape and murder rampage ---such as
Yemen, today's IRAQ----and persia etc etc

It is likely that the dogs of arabia comitted genocide upon jews in
many of those land in the same manner that their descendants
in Nigeria murdered millions of Biafran children----STARVATION SIEGE

 

[proudveteran06]

Fuck you, Bitch.

"The United States has slammed Israel for continuing to announce new settlement construction on land claimed by the Palestinians in an unusually rare and blunt criticism of its top Mideast ally.

The State Department accused Israel on Tuesday of engaging in a 'pattern of provocative action' that runs counter to statements from Israeli leaders that they are committed to peace. Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said settlement activity only puts the goal of peace 'further at risk.' She urged both Israel and the Palestinians to halt all provocations and take steps to revive long-stalled peace talks."

U.S. slams Israeli 'pattern of provocation' - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

FUCK YOU PRICK. All these VILE PRO- PALESTINIANS know how to do is CURSE when caught in their own lies. It should be obvious even to SHITHEADS LIKE YOU that Abbas has NO DESIRE for " peace". We saw what happened right after Israel left Gaza. " Stalled Peace Talks?" Get this through your PRO- PALESTINIAN PRICK.... Israel is NOT going to return to the 67 Borders that the Arabs have NEVER recognized or respected . They are NEVER going to give up E.Jerusalem. Share it? Perhaps. Give it up? No; YOU PRICK.

 

[irosie91]

Abbas is more dangerous than was ARAFART and is HANIYEH
Abbas is a devious bastard nazi

 

[proudveteran06]

Where did Abbas get the authority to change Palestine's borders to the 1949 armistice lines?

1949 Armistice lines? I like that idea. He should try it ( I mean it)

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what I mean when I say, the Palestinians have no one single voice of authority.

Where did Abbas get the authority to change Palestine's borders to the 1949 armistice lines?

(COMMENT)

Negotiations are impossible because everyone complains about the terms. Nothing the Palestinians say has any meaning because everyone has a different agenda and every offering is challenged.

Most Respectfully,
R

Two questions:

If Hamas won the election, why did they have to "violently take over Gaza?"

If Fatah lost the elections, how did they end up running the West Bank?

 

[irosie91]

for those who do not understand Tinnie's posts----I will explain----he has decided that there is a country called
PALESTINE ----which is and has been MUSLIM LAND for
the past 10,000 years and its borders are IMMUTABLE.

"PALESTINE" includes----what is today called 'the west bank'
'gaza' and 'israel'--------and has included these land masses as "MUSLIM LAND" ----for all of the history of mankind. He is not alone in this belief-----I heard about
MUSLIM LAND from the son of a pakistani diplomat when we
were both children-----that was pre 1967. There is no "jewish land" but there is lots of "MUSLIM LAND"
of course pakistan is MUSLIM LAND----but later on I
learned that all of the Indian subcontinent is "MUSLIM LAND"---it is "THE MOGHUL EMPIRE"

when Bin laden spoke of correcting the TRAGEDY OF ANDALUSIA-----he was making a declaration of "SPAIN
AS MUSLIM LAND"

When Achmadinejad recently spoke in the UN of
"ISLAM AS THE RELIGION FOR ALL MANKIND" he
was describing the PLANET EARTH as "MUSLIM LAND"
if there is life out there---on other planets----then----
there are other MUSLIM PLANETS

 

[proudveteran06]

Abbas is more dangerous than was ARAFART and is HANIYEH
Abbas is a devious bastard nazi

Abbas and Arafat are one of the same. They both made it very clear they would NOT accept less then 67 " Borders" lol and " Right of Return". NANIYEH is a different story. He has made it clear that even if there is a " Two State Solution" ( there won't be) he will never accept Israel and the Mission will be to destroy it. He is actually doing Israel a big favor