What Makes Poor People Poor? - Special Segment

[danielpalos]

If a perfectly healthy person is lazy and poor no help should be given, but if the opposite is true I believe in helping out that individual..

employment is at the will of either party in our at-will employment States.

thats communism not free market

where does the right wing get their terminology?

At-will employment - Wikipedia

 

[progressive hunter]

no such thing as simple poverty

simple poverty can be solved simply by transferring wealth.

Like welfare? Over 21 trillion thrown at that, how's it working?

lousy right wing management? we merely need solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

 

[Meister]

social spending on the poor doesnt make them not poor, it makes them useless to themselves their children and society

Shame is no way of showing people how to prosper.

bu here are ways,,,one is to not let them grow comfortable in their poverty,,,dave ramsey can each the rest

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You sure have a ......communist view for solving problems, DAN.
The way you post you sure don't sound American.

 

[Moonglow]

social spending on the poor doesnt make them not poor, it makes them useless to themselves their children and society

Shame is no way of showing people how to prosper.

bu here are ways,,,one is to not let them grow comfortable in their poverty,,,dave ramsey can each the rest

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

 

[Andylusion]

The issue is that we live in a post industrial society and we havent figured out how to look after people who dont fit in.

I can't think of a single society in all human history, that did look after people who didn't fit in. It's part of the human experience to find a way to fit into society. Not societies job to fit you.

Why do you look backwards for examples ? Why not look forwards ?

I did look forwards in 2000 when Hugo Chevaz got control of Venezuela. I said then, that a society based on socialism will fail. A society that tries to fit itself to the people, instead of the people fitting into society, would fail.

My prediction was not only correct, but a gross understatement. I had no idea then, what I would be reading out of Venezuela today.

Fools look forward, without learning from the past. The Left-wing is filled with such fools. The right-wing is not nearly so stupid.

 

[danielpalos]

simple poverty can be solved simply by transferring wealth.

Like welfare? Over 21 trillion thrown at that, how's it working?

lousy right wing management? we merely need solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

 

[Andylusion]

Shame is no way of showing people how to prosper.

bu here are ways,,,one is to not let them grow comfortable in their poverty,,,dave ramsey can each the rest

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

That's fine. And if you don't like the corporation you work for, by all means leave, and go self employed. I would encourage everyone to be self employed.

But the difference between us, is that I do not try and force my views on others. There are other people who like working for corporations. Why should companies be destroyed, because YOU don't like them?

That makes no sense.

I have worked for some fantastic corporations. Good benefits, much higher wages than elsewhere in the market, good people, good management.

Not every company is crap. Just because you hate all corporations, even if you have never worked there, doesn't mean it really is bad.

 

[danielpalos]

Shame is no way of showing people how to prosper.

bu here are ways,,,one is to not let them grow comfortable in their poverty,,,dave ramsey can each the rest

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You sure have a ......communist view for solving problems, DAN.
The way you post you sure don't sound American.

don't understand the law, right winger? are you a citizen of our several States.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I am not suggesting we should. I am suggesting that we should be fiscally responsible. The best way to accomplish that is to set the tax rate to the rate necessary to balance the budget and make all people share the burden proportionately. Overnight there would be a change.

I agree with what you wrote.

Impossible. There is no tax level high enough to fix socialism.

As long as we have a socialized system of health care and pensions in place, taxes will have to increase continually until the country implodes. It is impossible to find the magic tax rate that will balance the budget.

If you doubt that... again just look at Europe. All of Europe. Most of Europe has been protected by the US. Norway, like all European countries, has drastically higher taxes. Most people, even lower-middle class, lose 50% of their income in taxes.

And yet they are running a deficit. France is running a deficit. Japan is running a deficit.

They have nearly double our average tax rate, and are all running a deficit.

So this idea that we just need to increase taxes until we can afford socialism... is never going to work. Soon we'll be paying $8/gallon for gas, like France does. All to pay for the free stuff everyone wants. Then when it destroys the middle class, like in France, people will be burning down the country.

If you want to balance the budget, the solution is to reform entitlements. We need to privatize social security, and eliminate socialized health care. If we do that, the budget will balance without us doing anything with taxes.

Petrol in France is $5.50 a gallon not $8.

Gas prices change by the minute. And I do see sites saying what you posted. Gas prices have gone down around the world, since I posted that.

Gas Prices in Paris

Petrol price in Paris is €1.57 per liter. X 3.8, equals €5.96 per US gallon. €5.96 = $6.79.

So almost $7 per gallon. I just filled up for $1.87 per gallon.

So even now, it's not that far off from what I said. More importantly, the difference in cost is what I was getting at. If we had the same socialized systems in place that France does, I guarantee our gas prices would be like theirs.

There is a bit of a difference between your lying $8 a gallon and any reality. When was it $8 a gallon you lying twat ?

I didn't make it up. I read about it. The price changed. Next time, I'll be careful to take a screen shot of the page, before it changes and an ignorant buffoon, known for his unethical posts and immoral behavior, can try and claim others are lying, when he himself has been caught lying DOZENS ON DOZENS OF TIMES.

You are disgusting human being Tommy. Absolutely revolting.

You made it up. It has never been $8. Now hush up ya lyin bastard.

 

[progressive hunter]

Like welfare? Over 21 trillion thrown at that, how's it working?

lousy right wing management? we merely need solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

well there are more people on welfare oday than when the war on poverty started,,,not to mention the money wasted and the theft of peoples property,,,

and the attitude of those on generational welfare is that why work when I can get it for free

 

[danielpalos]

Shame is no way of showing people how to prosper.

bu here are ways,,,one is to not let them grow comfortable in their poverty,,,dave ramsey can each the rest

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. You cannot hire everyone. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment means capital will still be circulating in our economy. An analogy to an oil pump may be useful.

 

[Moonglow]

People are poor for several reasons both voluntary and involuntary

bu here are ways,,,one is to not let them grow comfortable in their poverty,,,dave ramsey can each the rest

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

That's fine. And if you don't like the corporation you work for, by all means leave, and go self employed. I would encourage everyone to be self employed.

But the difference between us, is that I do not try and force my views on others. There are other people who like working for corporations. Why should companies be destroyed, because YOU don't like them?

That makes no sense.

I have worked for some fantastic corporations. Good benefits, much higher wages than elsewhere in the market, good people, good management.

Not every company is crap. Just because you hate all corporations, even if you have never worked there, doesn't mean it really is bad.

Where did I say that corporations should be destroyed?

 

[Moonglow]

bu here are ways,,,one is to not let them grow comfortable in their poverty,,,dave ramsey can each the rest

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. You cannot hire everyone. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment means capital will still be circulating in our economy. An analogy to an oil pump may be useful.

So my oil royalties will be unemployed?

 

[Ame®icano]

Changing the subject? The proof of your lives too much?

I have a consistent argument; unlike the right wing.

You answer no questions, you are a fraud and liar.

i already answered your questions. or your questions are irrelevant. you simply don't understand the concepts.

No, you haven't. You ignored every single one he asked.

You did reply to his post with some random gibberish completely unrelated to his questions.

you have to understand economics not make excuses. There is no provision for Excuses in our federal doctrine.

Communist talking about economics. Go figure...

 

[danielpalos]

lousy right wing management? we merely need solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

well there are more people on welfare oday than when the war on poverty started,,,not to mention the money wasted and the theft of peoples property,,,

and the attitude of those on generational welfare is that why work when I can get it for free

we have the richest poor in the world in our first world economy. the poor still exist in less developed economies, and they saved some money.

 

[danielpalos]

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. You cannot hire everyone. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment means capital will still be circulating in our economy. An analogy to an oil pump may be useful.

So my oil royalties will be unemployed?

i am not the one making excuses.

 

[deanrd]

Like welfare? Over 21 trillion thrown at that, how's it working?

lousy right wing management? we merely need solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

There are people in Appalachia that don’t have electricity nor running water, their life expectancy is falling, they have no healthcare, their infant mortality rate is rising, they have no education and no prospects for a good job and Republicans call them the richest poor in the world.
This is why Republicans should never be allowed to Govern. And yet those people make up a large part of the GOP base.

 

[danielpalos]

I have a consistent argument; unlike the right wing.

You answer no questions, you are a fraud and liar.

i already answered your questions. or your questions are irrelevant. you simply don't understand the concepts.

No, you haven't. You ignored every single one he asked.

You did reply to his post with some random gibberish completely unrelated to his questions.

you have to understand economics not make excuses. There is no provision for Excuses in our federal doctrine.

Communist talking about economics. Go figure...

Capitalism; What is That, Sayeth the Right Wing regarding Government solving all problems at our Border.

 

[progressive hunter]

bu here are ways,,,one is to not let them grow comfortable in their poverty,,,dave ramsey can each the rest

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. You cannot hire everyone. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment means capital will still be circulating in our economy. An analogy to an oil pump may be useful.

why does everyone have to have a job,,,

and I hope you guys are ready for a big change in labor as new tech puts more robots and automation in play

currently we have a 45% unemployment,,,expect hat to go to 60-80%

familys and communtiys are going to have to step up and prepare for it

 

[Moonglow]

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. You cannot hire everyone. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment means capital will still be circulating in our economy. An analogy to an oil pump may be useful.

why does everyone have to have a job,,,

and I hope you guys are ready for a big change in labor as new tech puts more robots and automation in play

currently we have a 45% unemployment,,,expect hat to go to 60-80%

familys and communtiys are going to have to step up and prepare for it

I am ready already with 43 acres to self sustain my azz..