What Makes Poor People Poor? - Special Segment

[progressive hunter]

lousy right wing management? we merely need solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

There are people in Appalachia that don’t have electricity nor running water, their life expectancy is falling, they have no healthcare, their infant mortality rate is rising, they have no education and no prospects for a good job and Republicans call them the richest poor in the world.
This is why Republicans should never be allowed to Govern. And yet those people make up a large part of the GOP base.

who are you to speak for them???

 

[danielpalos]

lousy right wing management? we merely need solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

There are people in Appalachia that don’t have electricity nor running water, their life expectancy is falling, they have no healthcare, their infant mortality rate is rising, they have no education and no prospects for a good job and Republicans call them the richest poor in the world.
This is why Republicans should never be allowed to Govern. And yet those people make up a large part of the GOP base.

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment can solve for simple poverty and help any local economy restructure to a new equilibrium. The fate that befell Detroit can be avoided by solving for capitalism's natural rate unemployment through recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

 

[Andylusion]

If a perfectly healthy person is lazy and poor no help should be given, but if the opposite is true I believe in helping out that individual..

The vast vast majority of the poor, are perfectly able bodied people.

And honestly, even the disabled can work, and should be encouraged to do so.

We had an engineer who had his legs cut off as a teenager. Thankfully he didn't believe in left-wing ideology. He did not think it was societies job to fix his life. He got a part time job, started going to school, spent 4 years getting a degree in electrical engineering, and found a job as a full time engineer.

Of course, when I knew him, he had a paid subscription to the Rush Limbaugh show. And that's why you hate right-wingers. We say screw you and your help and condescending 'you can't make it without us' attitude. We succeed without your help, and move on.

 

[progressive hunter]

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. You cannot hire everyone. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment means capital will still be circulating in our economy. An analogy to an oil pump may be useful.

why does everyone have to have a job,,,

and I hope you guys are ready for a big change in labor as new tech puts more robots and automation in play

currently we have a 45% unemployment,,,expect hat to go to 60-80%

familys and communtiys are going to have to step up and prepare for it

I am ready already with 43 acres to self sustain my azz..

I got 12 soon to be 15 acres, and am ready to feed both my family and close neighbors if needed

 

[progressive hunter]

repe

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

There are people in Appalachia that don’t have electricity nor running water, their life expectancy is falling, they have no healthcare, their infant mortality rate is rising, they have no education and no prospects for a good job and Republicans call them the richest poor in the world.
This is why Republicans should never be allowed to Govern. And yet those people make up a large part of the GOP base.

Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment can solve for simple poverty and help any local economy restructure to a new equilibrium. The fate that befell Detroit can be avoided by solving for capitalism's natural rate unemployment through recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

repeating yourself again

 

[Andylusion]

Impossible. There is no tax level high enough to fix socialism.

As long as we have a socialized system of health care and pensions in place, taxes will have to increase continually until the country implodes. It is impossible to find the magic tax rate that will balance the budget.

If you doubt that... again just look at Europe. All of Europe. Most of Europe has been protected by the US. Norway, like all European countries, has drastically higher taxes. Most people, even lower-middle class, lose 50% of their income in taxes.

And yet they are running a deficit. France is running a deficit. Japan is running a deficit.

They have nearly double our average tax rate, and are all running a deficit.

So this idea that we just need to increase taxes until we can afford socialism... is never going to work. Soon we'll be paying $8/gallon for gas, like France does. All to pay for the free stuff everyone wants. Then when it destroys the middle class, like in France, people will be burning down the country.

If you want to balance the budget, the solution is to reform entitlements. We need to privatize social security, and eliminate socialized health care. If we do that, the budget will balance without us doing anything with taxes.

Petrol in France is $5.50 a gallon not $8.

Gas prices change by the minute. And I do see sites saying what you posted. Gas prices have gone down around the world, since I posted that.

Gas Prices in Paris

Petrol price in Paris is €1.57 per liter. X 3.8, equals €5.96 per US gallon. €5.96 = $6.79.

So almost $7 per gallon. I just filled up for $1.87 per gallon.

So even now, it's not that far off from what I said. More importantly, the difference in cost is what I was getting at. If we had the same socialized systems in place that France does, I guarantee our gas prices would be like theirs.

There is a bit of a difference between your lying $8 a gallon and any reality. When was it $8 a gallon you lying twat ?

I didn't make it up. I read about it. The price changed. Next time, I'll be careful to take a screen shot of the page, before it changes and an ignorant buffoon, known for his unethical posts and immoral behavior, can try and claim others are lying, when he himself has been caught lying DOZENS ON DOZENS OF TIMES.

You are disgusting human being Tommy. Absolutely revolting.

You made it up. It has never been $8. Now hush up ya lyin bastard.

You are garbage human, Tommy. You accuse everyone who says something you don't like, of making it up. I didn't. You have the right to be a fool, and wrong constantly. Thanks for stopping by.

 

[Ame®icano]

Impossible. There is no tax level high enough to fix socialism.

As long as we have a socialized system of health care and pensions in place, taxes will have to increase continually until the country implodes. It is impossible to find the magic tax rate that will balance the budget.

If you doubt that... again just look at Europe. All of Europe. Most of Europe has been protected by the US. Norway, like all European countries, has drastically higher taxes. Most people, even lower-middle class, lose 50% of their income in taxes.

And yet they are running a deficit. France is running a deficit. Japan is running a deficit.

They have nearly double our average tax rate, and are all running a deficit.

So this idea that we just need to increase taxes until we can afford socialism... is never going to work. Soon we'll be paying $8/gallon for gas, like France does. All to pay for the free stuff everyone wants. Then when it destroys the middle class, like in France, people will be burning down the country.

If you want to balance the budget, the solution is to reform entitlements. We need to privatize social security, and eliminate socialized health care. If we do that, the budget will balance without us doing anything with taxes.

Petrol in France is $5.50 a gallon not $8.

Gas prices change by the minute. And I do see sites saying what you posted. Gas prices have gone down around the world, since I posted that.

Gas Prices in Paris

Petrol price in Paris is €1.57 per liter. X 3.8, equals €5.96 per US gallon. €5.96 = $6.79.

So almost $7 per gallon. I just filled up for $1.87 per gallon.

So even now, it's not that far off from what I said. More importantly, the difference in cost is what I was getting at. If we had the same socialized systems in place that France does, I guarantee our gas prices would be like theirs.

There is a bit of a difference between your lying $8 a gallon and any reality. When was it $8 a gallon you lying twat ?

I didn't make it up. I read about it. The price changed. Next time, I'll be careful to take a screen shot of the page, before it changes and an ignorant buffoon, known for his unethical posts and immoral behavior, can try and claim others are lying, when he himself has been caught lying DOZENS ON DOZENS OF TIMES.

You are disgusting human being Tommy. Absolutely revolting.

You made it up. It has never been $8. Now hush up ya lyin bastard.

Yes they have, at the beginning of 2012.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Petrol in France is $5.50 a gallon not $8.

Gas prices change by the minute. And I do see sites saying what you posted. Gas prices have gone down around the world, since I posted that.

Gas Prices in Paris

Petrol price in Paris is €1.57 per liter. X 3.8, equals €5.96 per US gallon. €5.96 = $6.79.

So almost $7 per gallon. I just filled up for $1.87 per gallon.

So even now, it's not that far off from what I said. More importantly, the difference in cost is what I was getting at. If we had the same socialized systems in place that France does, I guarantee our gas prices would be like theirs.

There is a bit of a difference between your lying $8 a gallon and any reality. When was it $8 a gallon you lying twat ?

I didn't make it up. I read about it. The price changed. Next time, I'll be careful to take a screen shot of the page, before it changes and an ignorant buffoon, known for his unethical posts and immoral behavior, can try and claim others are lying, when he himself has been caught lying DOZENS ON DOZENS OF TIMES.

You are disgusting human being Tommy. Absolutely revolting.

You made it up. It has never been $8. Now hush up ya lyin bastard.

You are garbage human, Tommy. You accuse everyone who says something you don't like, of making it up. I didn't. You have the right to be a fool, and wrong constantly. Thanks for stopping by.

Ok Andy.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Petrol in France is $5.50 a gallon not $8.

Gas prices change by the minute. And I do see sites saying what you posted. Gas prices have gone down around the world, since I posted that.

Gas Prices in Paris

Petrol price in Paris is €1.57 per liter. X 3.8, equals €5.96 per US gallon. €5.96 = $6.79.

So almost $7 per gallon. I just filled up for $1.87 per gallon.

So even now, it's not that far off from what I said. More importantly, the difference in cost is what I was getting at. If we had the same socialized systems in place that France does, I guarantee our gas prices would be like theirs.

There is a bit of a difference between your lying $8 a gallon and any reality. When was it $8 a gallon you lying twat ?

I didn't make it up. I read about it. The price changed. Next time, I'll be careful to take a screen shot of the page, before it changes and an ignorant buffoon, known for his unethical posts and immoral behavior, can try and claim others are lying, when he himself has been caught lying DOZENS ON DOZENS OF TIMES.

You are disgusting human being Tommy. Absolutely revolting.

You made it up. It has never been $8. Now hush up ya lyin bastard.

Yes they have, at the beginning of 2012.

Which caused protests in 2018 ? Yes I can see that is what happened.

 

[danielpalos]

employment is at the will of either party. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. you cannot appeal to ignorance of either condition.

After a person reaches his middle age period those looking for employees tend to skim over the older ones.

unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed solves for that.

You must be joking since UE doesn't give you the same ability to pay debts as regular employment, neither does welfare...And it is a shame the way corporations treat people over forty..I have been self employed for over thirty years because I hated the attitude of the corporations I worked for and the low pay.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. You cannot hire everyone. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment means capital will still be circulating in our economy. An analogy to an oil pump may be useful.

why does everyone have to have a job,,,

and I hope you guys are ready for a big change in labor as new tech puts more robots and automation in play

currently we have a 45% unemployment,,,expect hat to go to 60-80%

familys and communtiys are going to have to step up and prepare for it

market based metrics.

We should have this economic analogy regarding market participation:

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.

Aristotle

 

[Andylusion]

lousy right wing management? we merely need solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

There are people in Appalachia that don’t have electricity nor running water, their life expectancy is falling, they have no healthcare, their infant mortality rate is rising, they have no education and no prospects for a good job and Republicans call them the richest poor in the world.
This is why Republicans should never be allowed to Govern. And yet those people make up a large part of the GOP base.

Yeah. Really. My relatives live in Appalachia. That's why there are bodies lying all over the streets......

Idiot.

If you live in poverty, because the place where you live, there are no jobs.... you don't just stay there. You move.

In the 1800s, the Irish moved to the US in the millions, largely for jobs, and because there was a famine back in Ireland.
Even within the US, migration has happened routinely for jobs.

It's not my job to go fix someone's life, who lives unemployed in Appalachia. My relatives have all moved when required, in order to find employment.

Education does not help, if you are not willing to go where the jobs are.
As for running water, I don't even understand that. All of my relatives built wells. They all have their own water.

Again, if you can't afford to run a well.... then move to where the jobs are. There are plenty of jobs along the Ohio River. Get one. Move to where they have running water.

Now if you personally want to go help those people, and allow them to stay in their poverty in Appalachia, then go for it.

But you don't get to demand others help people stay in a situation that is bad for them. That makes you an immoral, and cruel person.

Maybe I'll un-ignore you in a year, to see if you have matured at all.

 

[deanrd]

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

There are people in Appalachia that don’t have electricity nor running water, their life expectancy is falling, they have no healthcare, their infant mortality rate is rising, they have no education and no prospects for a good job and Republicans call them the richest poor in the world.
This is why Republicans should never be allowed to Govern. And yet those people make up a large part of the GOP base.

Yeah. Really. My relatives live in Appalachia. That's why there are bodies lying all over the streets......

Idiot.

If you live in poverty, because the place where you live, there are no jobs.... you don't just stay there. You move.

In the 1800s, the Irish moved to the US in the millions, largely for jobs, and because there was a famine back in Ireland.
Even within the US, migration has happened routinely for jobs.

It's not my job to go fix someone's life, who lives unemployed in Appalachia. My relatives have all moved when required, in order to find employment.

Education does not help, if you are not willing to go where the jobs are.
As for running water, I don't even understand that. All of my relatives built wells. They all have their own water.

Again, if you can't afford to run a well.... then move to where the jobs are. There are plenty of jobs along the Ohio River. Get one. Move to where they have running water.

Now if you personally want to go help those people, and allow them to stay in their poverty in Appalachia, then go for it.

But you don't get to demand others help people stay in a situation that is bad for them. That makes you an immoral, and cruel person.

Just one quick comment. A well is not running water. And you called me an idiot?

 

[Andylusion]

Gas prices change by the minute. And I do see sites saying what you posted. Gas prices have gone down around the world, since I posted that.

Gas Prices in Paris

Petrol price in Paris is €1.57 per liter. X 3.8, equals €5.96 per US gallon. €5.96 = $6.79.

So almost $7 per gallon. I just filled up for $1.87 per gallon.

So even now, it's not that far off from what I said. More importantly, the difference in cost is what I was getting at. If we had the same socialized systems in place that France does, I guarantee our gas prices would be like theirs.

There is a bit of a difference between your lying $8 a gallon and any reality. When was it $8 a gallon you lying twat ?

I didn't make it up. I read about it. The price changed. Next time, I'll be careful to take a screen shot of the page, before it changes and an ignorant buffoon, known for his unethical posts and immoral behavior, can try and claim others are lying, when he himself has been caught lying DOZENS ON DOZENS OF TIMES.

You are disgusting human being Tommy. Absolutely revolting.

You made it up. It has never been $8. Now hush up ya lyin bastard.

You are garbage human, Tommy. You accuse everyone who says something you don't like, of making it up. I didn't. You have the right to be a fool, and wrong constantly. Thanks for stopping by.

Ok Andy.

I'm just going to ignore you for a year. You are just too much of a crap filled person to talk to. You never have anything of value to add to any conversation you are ever in. You haven't even said anything worth reading to the other posters on this thread.

Your childish "You lie! La la la can't hear you" posts, are as intellectually deep as you get. Good bye Tommy. You won't be missed.

 

[danielpalos]

thats not the job of the feds,,,

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

There are people in Appalachia that don’t have electricity nor running water, their life expectancy is falling, they have no healthcare, their infant mortality rate is rising, they have no education and no prospects for a good job and Republicans call them the richest poor in the world.
This is why Republicans should never be allowed to Govern. And yet those people make up a large part of the GOP base.

Yeah. Really. My relatives live in Appalachia. That's why there are bodies lying all over the streets......

Idiot.

If you live in poverty, because the place where you live, there are no jobs.... you don't just stay there. You move.

In the 1800s, the Irish moved to the US in the millions, largely for jobs, and because there was a famine back in Ireland.
Even within the US, migration has happened routinely for jobs.

It's not my job to go fix someone's life, who lives unemployed in Appalachia. My relatives have all moved when required, in order to find employment.

Education does not help, if you are not willing to go where the jobs are.
As for running water, I don't even understand that. All of my relatives built wells. They all have their own water.

Again, if you can't afford to run a well.... then move to where the jobs are. There are plenty of jobs along the Ohio River. Get one. Move to where they have running water.

Now if you personally want to go help those people, and allow them to stay in their poverty in Appalachia, then go for it.

But you don't get to demand others help people stay in a situation that is bad for them. That makes you an immoral, and cruel person.

Maybe I'll un-ignore you in a year, to see if you have matured at all.

solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is a social safety net.

 

[rightwinger]

If your parents were poor, there is a better than average chance you will be poor

If your parents were wealthy, there is very little chance you will end up poor

True, because of the life and spending lessons that those wealthy parents teach their kids.

My children will have money because I've taught them the "values" that are necessary for them to make money. In fact, I've taught them to make money for their great grand children. My kids will work their balls off because that is their /responsibility/ to their family, and to our family legacy.

Millions of poor folks get out of the welfare/socialist mentality and learn to earn for their futures. You lefties are enablists, and of the worst kind too, because you don't only fuck over the wealth prospects of the individual, but their entire bloodline, their kids, their grand kids. Generations of families fucked out of getting out because you'd rather throw money down the pit hole of greed and "easy living" than teach folks to earn, save, and be responsible, for themselves, and their families.

It’s called a safety net and generational wealth

Garbage. The primary reason the sons and daughters of wealthy people, end up wealthy like their parents, is because they learn the skills from their parents that lead them to success.

That is not something we should punish, or balance out. If anything, it is something we should encourage. There is no greater heirloom to pass on to your children, than to be wise, productive, and hard working. And by hard working, I don't mean sweating it out for a mere 8 hours a day, emptying garbage cans at Wendy's for $8/hour. I mean using your brain to engage in work that produces value to society.

The last company I worked for, the CEO was there at 6 AM, before any of the engineers or sales people showed up. And he was the last person to leave at 6 PM.

If his children end up having the same traits and work ethic as their father, they will undoubtedly be wealthy too.

That should be worthy of celebration, not condemnation for being "generational wealth".

Equally, if a person lives out their lives on government handouts, and working the welfare system, instead of working a productive job, don't be surprised when their children end up equally unproductive. And this should also not condemned either, and while I would not celebrate it, I certainly not encourage it, or support it.

You do not support bad behavior, or you end up with more bad behavior. Again, when we cut welfare, people got off welfare and started working. The only way for a person to learn how to move themselves up the income ladder, is by working. If you are on welfare, you tend to stay on welfare, and you stay at the bottom of the income ladder.

Haven't met a single rich person yet, who said their big break from poverty or low income, was their welfare check.

And I do know quite a few stories of people who ended up achieving their goals in life, after they were cut off from support.

I agree

The children of the wealthy learn the skills of being wealthy. How to spend other people’s money without risking your own. The value of a good accountant and a good lawyer. How to make government work for you

The children of the poor learn the skills of being poor. How to maximize government benefits, how to make money under the Radar, how to use children to improve your standard of living

 

[Andylusion]

yes, it is; providing for the general welfare is a general power delegated to our federal Congress for the Union.

we've been over this,,,based on the record of welfare it has harmed far more people than its helps,,,so once again the feds failed

We have the richest Poor in the world. We have a First World economy. How has providing for the general welfare harmed more than helped the Poor?

There are people in Appalachia that don’t have electricity nor running water, their life expectancy is falling, they have no healthcare, their infant mortality rate is rising, they have no education and no prospects for a good job and Republicans call them the richest poor in the world.
This is why Republicans should never be allowed to Govern. And yet those people make up a large part of the GOP base.

Yeah. Really. My relatives live in Appalachia. That's why there are bodies lying all over the streets......

Idiot.

If you live in poverty, because the place where you live, there are no jobs.... you don't just stay there. You move.

In the 1800s, the Irish moved to the US in the millions, largely for jobs, and because there was a famine back in Ireland.
Even within the US, migration has happened routinely for jobs.

It's not my job to go fix someone's life, who lives unemployed in Appalachia. My relatives have all moved when required, in order to find employment.

Education does not help, if you are not willing to go where the jobs are.
As for running water, I don't even understand that. All of my relatives built wells. They all have their own water.

Again, if you can't afford to run a well.... then move to where the jobs are. There are plenty of jobs along the Ohio River. Get one. Move to where they have running water.

Now if you personally want to go help those people, and allow them to stay in their poverty in Appalachia, then go for it.

But you don't get to demand others help people stay in a situation that is bad for them. That makes you an immoral, and cruel person.

Just one quick comment. A well is not running water. And you called me an idiot?

So if I walk into the house, and flush the toilet, and it works.... and if I go to the sink and turn on the faucet, and hot and cold water comes out of it..... how is that not running water?

Educate me. By all means.

 

[Andylusion]

If your parents were poor, there is a better than average chance you will be poor

If your parents were wealthy, there is very little chance you will end up poor

True, because of the life and spending lessons that those wealthy parents teach their kids.

My children will have money because I've taught them the "values" that are necessary for them to make money. In fact, I've taught them to make money for their great grand children. My kids will work their balls off because that is their /responsibility/ to their family, and to our family legacy.

Millions of poor folks get out of the welfare/socialist mentality and learn to earn for their futures. You lefties are enablists, and of the worst kind too, because you don't only fuck over the wealth prospects of the individual, but their entire bloodline, their kids, their grand kids. Generations of families fucked out of getting out because you'd rather throw money down the pit hole of greed and "easy living" than teach folks to earn, save, and be responsible, for themselves, and their families.

It’s called a safety net and generational wealth

Garbage. The primary reason the sons and daughters of wealthy people, end up wealthy like their parents, is because they learn the skills from their parents that lead them to success.

That is not something we should punish, or balance out. If anything, it is something we should encourage. There is no greater heirloom to pass on to your children, than to be wise, productive, and hard working. And by hard working, I don't mean sweating it out for a mere 8 hours a day, emptying garbage cans at Wendy's for $8/hour. I mean using your brain to engage in work that produces value to society.

The last company I worked for, the CEO was there at 6 AM, before any of the engineers or sales people showed up. And he was the last person to leave at 6 PM.

If his children end up having the same traits and work ethic as their father, they will undoubtedly be wealthy too.

That should be worthy of celebration, not condemnation for being "generational wealth".

Equally, if a person lives out their lives on government handouts, and working the welfare system, instead of working a productive job, don't be surprised when their children end up equally unproductive. And this should also not condemned either, and while I would not celebrate it, I certainly not encourage it, or support it.

You do not support bad behavior, or you end up with more bad behavior. Again, when we cut welfare, people got off welfare and started working. The only way for a person to learn how to move themselves up the income ladder, is by working. If you are on welfare, you tend to stay on welfare, and you stay at the bottom of the income ladder.

Haven't met a single rich person yet, who said their big break from poverty or low income, was their welfare check.

And I do know quite a few stories of people who ended up achieving their goals in life, after they were cut off from support.

I agree

The children of the wealthy learn the skills of being wealthy. How to spend other people’s money without risking your own. The value of a good accountant and a good lawyer. How to make government work for you

The children of the poor learn the skills of being poor. How to maximize government benefits, how to make money under the Radar, how to use children to improve your standard of living

What are you talking about? The skills to being wealthy are working to make a profit, producing goods of value to society, and being willing to sacrifice and put in the effort required to be successful.

Nothing you said makes any sense.

Having a good accountant doesn't make you wealthy. Having a good lawyer doesn't make you wealthy with the exception of people who use Intellectually Property rights laws... which is why I'm against those. But that is an extreme minority of the situation.

Government rarely works for you.

 

[rightwinger]

Let’s look at poverty in white america
With black American poverty, it is too easy to blame racism

Poor whites in Appalachia have lived in poverty for 150 years. Unlike other poor Americans, many own homes and land that is passed down for generations. Yet, they are unable to break the cycle of poverty. They receive free education, free medical care, food stamps and yet cannot escape poverty.

What is their excuse?

 

[rightwinger]

If your parents were poor, there is a better than average chance you will be poor

If your parents were wealthy, there is very little chance you will end up poor

True, because of the life and spending lessons that those wealthy parents teach their kids.

My children will have money because I've taught them the "values" that are necessary for them to make money. In fact, I've taught them to make money for their great grand children. My kids will work their balls off because that is their /responsibility/ to their family, and to our family legacy.

Millions of poor folks get out of the welfare/socialist mentality and learn to earn for their futures. You lefties are enablists, and of the worst kind too, because you don't only fuck over the wealth prospects of the individual, but their entire bloodline, their kids, their grand kids. Generations of families fucked out of getting out because you'd rather throw money down the pit hole of greed and "easy living" than teach folks to earn, save, and be responsible, for themselves, and their families.

It’s called a safety net and generational wealth

Garbage. The primary reason the sons and daughters of wealthy people, end up wealthy like their parents, is because they learn the skills from their parents that lead them to success.

That is not something we should punish, or balance out. If anything, it is something we should encourage. There is no greater heirloom to pass on to your children, than to be wise, productive, and hard working. And by hard working, I don't mean sweating it out for a mere 8 hours a day, emptying garbage cans at Wendy's for $8/hour. I mean using your brain to engage in work that produces value to society.

The last company I worked for, the CEO was there at 6 AM, before any of the engineers or sales people showed up. And he was the last person to leave at 6 PM.

If his children end up having the same traits and work ethic as their father, they will undoubtedly be wealthy too.

That should be worthy of celebration, not condemnation for being "generational wealth".

Equally, if a person lives out their lives on government handouts, and working the welfare system, instead of working a productive job, don't be surprised when their children end up equally unproductive. And this should also not condemned either, and while I would not celebrate it, I certainly not encourage it, or support it.

You do not support bad behavior, or you end up with more bad behavior. Again, when we cut welfare, people got off welfare and started working. The only way for a person to learn how to move themselves up the income ladder, is by working. If you are on welfare, you tend to stay on welfare, and you stay at the bottom of the income ladder.

Haven't met a single rich person yet, who said their big break from poverty or low income, was their welfare check.

And I do know quite a few stories of people who ended up achieving their goals in life, after they were cut off from support.

I agree

The children of the wealthy learn the skills of being wealthy. How to spend other people’s money without risking your own. The value of a good accountant and a good lawyer. How to make government work for you

The children of the poor learn the skills of being poor. How to maximize government benefits, how to make money under the Radar, how to use children to improve your standard of living

What are you talking about? The skills to being wealthy are working to make a profit, producing goods of value to society, and being willing to sacrifice and put in the effort required to be successful.

Nothing you said makes any sense.

Having a good accountant doesn't make you wealthy. Having a good lawyer doesn't make you wealthy with the exception of people who use Intellectually Property rights laws... which is why I'm against those. But that is an extreme minority of the situation.

Government rarely works for you.

You live in a bubble

 

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Let’s look at poverty in white america
With black American poverty, it is too easy to blame racism

Poor whites in Appalachia have lived in poverty for 150 years. Unlike other poor Americans, many own homes and land that is passed down for generations. Yet, they are unable to break the cycle of poverty. They receive free education, free medical care, food stamps and yet cannot escape poverty.

What is their excuse?

Well, from experience, one problem is that they don't effectively utilize the land.

Some people say "Well my grampy" farmed this land this way......

Those people end up poor. My relatives converted land over to farms, others leased the land to contract farmers. One converted the land to hunting grounds, and charged people to hunt on the land. And a few sold the land for money and moved to where their jobs were.

In all cases they adapted to the changing world around them. They didn't hold onto the land with an iron grip, saying 'this is how we did it for generations', and sat in poverty complaining that the steel-mill was gone.