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The point is that it doesn't matter.
Whether a faith has direct lineage to some ancient orthodoxy or is a modern cobbling of beliefs like Mormonism, ALL have just as much proof as any other. All deserve just as much respect and tolerance.
Being unable to prove my opinion that if God is, He's way bigger than ALL the ancient stories, let alone any one of them, I have no right to tell anyone that their faith is wrong. And I deserve the same respect.
EVERYONE has the same right to be wrong in religious matters.
I think we're talking about two different things. You're talking about how any religion can say anything it likes. Which is true.
I'm saying how when you take two religions (however true or not) and compare their core beliefs, yet one's including another discrete faith with its' own despite it being mutually exclusive, that's an error of theology.
To put it another way, 1+1=2; 2+2=4 (any/all/every religion being numbers); but a+1 does not equal 2 or 4. A number plus a letter makes no sense.
Or, if Christianity's true then Judaism can't be. Simialrly, if Islam's true Christianity and Judaism can't be. But you can't combine any of those 3 together and still get something true because they're all mutually exclusive. If Christianity were only the NT it'd be fine because it's not trying to co-opt another religious system, but because it is it's making itself objectively wrong by trying.
Judaism gave us the idea of the Jewish Messiah. Releasing a new book saying the Messiah's come and gone would be fine. But saying the Jewish text is true, BUT so is our's, is completely at odds with the first religion.
Or, if Christianity's true then Judaism can't be. Simialrly, if Islam's true Christianity and Judaism can't be. But you can't combine any of those 3 together and still get something true because they're all mutually exclusive. If Christianity were only the NT it'd be fine because it's not trying to co-opt another religious system, but because it is it's making itself objectively wrong by trying.
Judaism gave us the idea of the Jewish Messiah. Releasing a new book saying the Messiah's come and gone would be fine. But saying the Jewish text is true, BUT so is our's, is completely at odds with the first religion.
Is it good news or bad news that opinions vary so?
Would the world be a better place if everyone held the same opinion of the the ancient stories?
Would things be different if The Torah had included a path to The God of Abraham for the gentiles, as well as guidance for those born in to the family of Abraham, rendering both The New Testament and The Koran irrelevant?
My message to the believers of all ilks out there:
Keep your beliefs to yourself.
Christian EVANGELICALS represent a small subset of Chistendom.
They pretty much annoy other Christians as much as non Christians.
They hate us even more that non christians because we aren't merely hethans we're HERETICS.
Please keep that in mind while you're painting with that BROAD BRUSH, eh?
i wasn't painting with *any* brush. i was simply sharing an article.
Core theology of a religion isn't opinion (in that what they are is consultable and thus objective, if not empirically true.) Can put in graph form if you need so we can compare column A with column B and see how they're fundamentally at odds with each other.
Comparison Chart: Christianity vs. Judaism - ReligionFacts
Whether or not any religion is actually true is immaterial here. We're comparing two systems. Could be anything else, doesn't have to be religion. Let's take physics: what happens if you combine fire and water? Do they mix and become some new element or process? No. They cancel each other out. Not because we have the opinion of that happening but because we can objectively test and observe the results.
Same with any two religious systems (or at least those 2.) But just as you can't successfully combine or hybridize Hinduism and Islam, you can't successfully blend Judaism and Christianity.
Core theology of a religion isn't opinion (in that what they are is consultable and thus objective, if not empirically true.) Can put in graph form if you need so we can compare column A with column B and see how they're fundamentally at odds with each other.
Comparison Chart: Christianity vs. Judaism - ReligionFacts
Whether or not any religion is actually true is immaterial here. We're comparing two systems. Could be anything else, doesn't have to be religion. Let's take physics: what happens if you combine fire and water? Do they mix and become some new element or process? No. They cancel each other out. Not because we have the opinion of that happening but because we can objectively test and observe the results.
Same with any two religious systems (or at least those 2.) But just as you can't successfully combine or hybridize Hinduism and Islam, you can't successfully blend Judaism and Christianity.
Sure it is! And comparing Christianity to Judaism or either to Islam is pointless in my opinion because in my opinion, The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran are published words that are no more "inspired by a Deity" than are the published words of Stephen King and Edgar Allen Poe.
That statement is a fact, in my opinion. I understand that plenty of folks disagree with me and plenty of folks wouldn't argue with that statement. Every Monkey has the right their own opinion. Every Monkey deserves the right to be wrong in the opinion of the other Monkeys.
Like I said... if it were provable, it would be science, not religion.
Not really.
My point in religion is always two:
Religion is a matter of opinion & All religious opinion has equal value.
I think what Chuck is saying, Jillian, is that the OP is negative and is asking others to join you in smearing Christians. If reading about the Gospel of Jesus Christ is an imposition to you don't click on the thread. There are plenty of forums on USMB. As to Christians who share the gospel.........
That is what Christians are commanded to do by Jesus Christ. Preach the Gospel.
* My fav. maxim on this board? Accentuate the positive!!
and where does this jesus say to pray?
pray not for the glory of man etc and so forth...why do you ignore that.....and no one is christian bashing......it is simply the view from another side.....and seems many simply cannot handle that
I think what Chuck is saying, Jillian, is that the OP is negative and is asking others to join you in smearing Christians. If reading about the Gospel of Jesus Christ is an imposition to you don't click on the thread. There are plenty of forums on USMB. As to Christians who share the gospel.........
That is what Christians are commanded to do by Jesus Christ. Preach the Gospel.
* My fav. maxim on this board? Accentuate the positive!!
saying christians need to respect the views of others isn't "bashing" anyone.
when you tell others they are going to hell, however .
see how that works?
Not really.
My point in religion is always two:
Religion is a matter of opinion & All religious opinion has equal value.
I don't know about that Joe.. People do not all worship the same God and people are not all the same inside.
Some people are as innocent as puppies while others are snarling beasts drooling at the thought of devouring them.
Does the religious opinion that it is better to forgive sin and love your neighbor have equal value to the religious opinion that sin must be punished by chopping off your neighbors hands and feet ?
Is it not true that some religious beliefs are completely false and defile and contaminate the mind and have absolutely no positive value at all?
As a Christian born again and washed in the blood of the lamb, I suggest quietly that when folks tell us to leave them alone or not impose our views on them, to listen to what they are saying and pray about it quietly.
To watch certain Christians trying to proselytize can be quite disturbing. Always remember the Second Great Commandment. Missionary work from witnessing in the hall way to knocking on doors has to be done with love.
King James Bible
Romans 3: 23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
King James Bible
Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet
As a Jew, I gave up trying to convince Christians or Muslims on the errors of their faith long ago. Got enough wayward Jews to focus my energies on without 'casting my net' any wider than that.
I don't care much about the errors of others as long as they don't try to impose their views on me and don't hurt anyone else.
As a Christian born again and washed in the blood of the lamb, I suggest quietly that when folks tell us to leave them alone or not impose our views on them, to listen to what they are saying and pray about it quietly.
To watch certain Christians trying to proselytize can be quite disturbing. Always remember the Second Great Commandment. Missionary work from witnessing in the hall way to knocking on doors has to be done with love.
There will be no missionary work unless the missionary is free to say:
King James Bible
Romans 3: 23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Christians are trying to convert sinners. If a person doesn't know he is a sinner he needs to be told. It is only those with horribly low self esteem who take it as a personal attack and get all indignant and self righteous about it. The exact opposite of what has been posted here. But as usual, non Christians who presume to tell Christians what they should do have it backward.
Even Jesus told Christians to stop bothering with those who will not hear what they have to say. As well they should. To not move on is self defeating.
King James Bible
Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet
As a Christian born again and washed in the blood of the lamb, I suggest quietly that when folks tell us to leave them alone or not impose our views on them, to listen to what they are saying and pray about it quietly.
To watch certain Christians trying to proselytize can be quite disturbing. Always remember the Second Great Commandment. Missionary work from witnessing in the hall way to knocking on doors has to be done with love.
There will be no missionary work unless the missionary is free to say:
Christians are trying to convert sinners. If a person doesn't know he is a sinner he needs to be told. It is only those with horribly low self esteem who take it as a personal attack and get all indignant and self righteous about it. The exact opposite of what has been posted here. But as usual, non Christians who presume to tell Christians what they should do have it backward.
Even Jesus told Christians to stop bothering with those who will not hear what they have to say. As well they should. To not move on is self defeating.
King James Bible
Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet
Sunshine, what you say is true, but it has to be done in the spirit of the Second Great Commandment.
I have seen some missionaries that are so wound up they do the work of twenty devils.
