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What an odd statement.THIS is the Christianity I learned about as a kid and is apparently all but dead now.
You're just averse to any moniker that includes the term "Conservative".
There was a contemplative who was unknown by name but the author of the cloud of the unknowing. He said one day God showed him the danger of allowing his heart be influenced by outside sources. He had seen a loaf of bread placed in the oven. The baker wasn't aware a cinamon stick was placed in the oven already. The bread came out with the aroma of cinammon through it. He learned a lesson this was him. He was to be like broken bread to others - should he have this liberty? No, was his conclusion. He had no political opinion of his own. He had no opinion.
In the bible the one characteristic of Ezekiel that is most remarkable is the absence of self and complete obedience - focus - on God and what He says. This is the goal of the contemplative. imo. His complete and utter detachment. The one word that defines the true contemplative more than any other word is " detached "... as in from the world.
By that definition, Jeri, comtemplatives are selfish. They seek only their own spiritual enlightenment and ignore the suffering of others. The Sisters have done their own contemplation about the suffering of others and their enlightenment is to go forth and do something about it. As someone who believes in God who are you to question what is motivating them to do good works?
You also made the statement that Christianity is the opposite of socialism/communism. From a political standpoint communism and Christianity are polar opposites but from an apolitical position Christianity advocates socialism.
Peace
DT
Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.
The church was not even close to that. The church is not owned by society, the church is and was self contained.
He'll do it here if we give him time.
Luddly maintains that people should be punished for voicing their faith in church. In this instance, they WERE in church. Luddly was arguing that it was right and just that they be fired and otherwise punished for stating their faith:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...off-hgtv-channel-over-anti-gay-remarks-3.html
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Why cant these fake christians just do their jobs and leave the preaching and proselytizing at church?
If I were so inclined I could pull up dozens of posts where ludds presents a scenario that criminalizes or advocates the fining/censure of christians based on the fact that their faith prevents them from towing the progressive state line.
As it is, all we have to do is wait.
There was a contemplative who was unknown by name but the author of the cloud of the unknowing. He said one day God showed him the danger of allowing his heart be influenced by outside sources. He had seen a loaf of bread placed in the oven. The baker wasn't aware a cinamon stick was placed in the oven already. The bread came out with the aroma of cinammon through it. He learned a lesson this was him. He was to be like broken bread to others - should he have this liberty? No, was his conclusion. He had no political opinion of his own. He had no opinion.
In the bible the one characteristic of Ezekiel that is most remarkable is the absence of self and complete obedience - focus - on God and what He says. This is the goal of the contemplative. imo. His complete and utter detachment. The one word that defines the true contemplative more than any other word is " detached "... as in from the world.
By that definition, Jeri, comtemplatives are selfish. They seek only their own spiritual enlightenment and ignore the suffering of others. The Sisters have done their own contemplation about the suffering of others and their enlightenment is to go forth and do something about it. As someone who believes in God who are you to question what is motivating them to do good works?
You also made the statement that Christianity is the opposite of socialism/communism. From a political standpoint communism and Christianity are polar opposites but from an apolitical position Christianity advocates socialism.
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I'm a Christian who disagrees with using God for a political agenda, Derideo. I don't agree with what they are doing as it appears to be done in Gods name. That would fall under my concern. Yes. Progressive Christianity is a real stretch here. I can't believe the term exists! Politics and God do not mix. Ever. imo.
As for Christianity advocating socialism? The early church in the book of Acts had all things in common by choice not force from non believers. The Apostles didn't live like Kings, Paul had one coat. There are differences that are notable.
If I were so inclined I could pull up dozens of posts where ludds presents a scenario that criminalizes or advocates the fining/censure of christians based on the fact that their faith prevents them from towing the progressive state line.
As it is, all we have to do is wait.
I only asked for one.
You can't provide it.
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IMO, one must follow the teachings of christ/jesus/god in order to be a "good" Christian.
From what I have seen and heard about these people, they actually do that.
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He'll do it here if we give him time.
Prove I have ever even hinted at such a thing.
FACT is, you're lying just as you always lie. You're trying to wiggle sideways away from what I really wrote.
Luddly maintains that people should be punished for voicing their faith in church. In this instance, they WERE in church. Luddly was arguing that it was right and just that they be fired and otherwise punished for stating their faith:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...off-hgtv-channel-over-anti-gay-remarks-3.html
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Why cant these fake christians just do their jobs and leave the preaching and proselytizing at church?
Nope.
In that same thread, I wrote I was against them being fired for what they believe.
Sister Simone Campbell was on Bill Maher last night and as he said about her, she was a breath of fresh air. Here's the video of her talking with ultra-conservative and fellow guest, Dinesh D'Souza during the "overtime segment" after the show -
Sister Simone Campbell Takes Dinesh D'Souza To School On Minimum Wage | Crooks and Liars
Anyone interested in hearing her remarks on the show, HBO reruns Real Time and its at the very beginning of the show.
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THIS is the Christianity I learned about as a kid and is apparently all but dead now.
A Nun on the Bus: How All of Us Can Create Hope, Change, and Community: Sister Simone Campbell: 9780062273543: Amazon.com: Books
In the summer of 2012, Sister Simone Campbell and a group of fellow Roman Catholic nuns toured parts of the country to rally support against Congressman Paul Ryan's budget, a plan that cut vital social programs for the hurting poor and the struggling middle class. Prayer groups turned into rallies, and small town meetings became national media events. Sister Simone became a galvanizing force for progressives of all stripes and remains a driving force for programs and policies that support faith, family, and fairness.
Rooted in a deep spirituality of compassion and service, Sister Simone gives voice to the hunger, isolation, and fear that so many people in America are feeling right now and shows us how we can create real transformation in our communities and in our own hearts through the contemplative life of prayer. Powerful, inspiring stories from the Nuns on the Bus tour and from Sister Simone's own life offer readers a fresh vision for a lived spirituality that is at the heart of today's progressive Christian movements working for change.
IMO, preachy proselytizers like @Clement @Avatar and @GISMYS and other fake christians could learn a lot from real Christians like these women.
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By that definition, Jeri, comtemplatives are selfish. They seek only their own spiritual enlightenment and ignore the suffering of others. The Sisters have done their own contemplation about the suffering of others and their enlightenment is to go forth and do something about it. As someone who believes in God who are you to question what is motivating them to do good works?
You also made the statement that Christianity is the opposite of socialism/communism. From a political standpoint communism and Christianity are polar opposites but from an apolitical position Christianity advocates socialism.
Peace
DT
Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.
The church was not even close to that. The church is not owned by society, the church is and was self contained.
I suggest that you look up the definition of the term apolitical. The rest of your response derives from your inability to comprehend the terminology.
Do you really think the hungry children these women help care if they're hetero or homo?
There was a contemplative who was unknown by name but the author of the cloud of the unknowing. He said one day God showed him the danger of allowing his heart be influenced by outside sources. He had seen a loaf of bread placed in the oven. The baker wasn't aware a cinamon stick was placed in the oven already. The bread came out with the aroma of cinammon through it. He learned a lesson this was him. He was to be like broken bread to others - should he have this liberty? No, was his conclusion. He had no political opinion of his own. He had no opinion.
In the bible the one characteristic of Ezekiel that is most remarkable is the absence of self and complete obedience - focus - on God and what He says. This is the goal of the contemplative. imo. His complete and utter detachment. The one word that defines the true contemplative more than any other word is " detached "... as in from the world.
By that definition, Jeri, comtemplatives are selfish. They seek only their own spiritual enlightenment and ignore the suffering of others. The Sisters have done their own contemplation about the suffering of others and their enlightenment is to go forth and do something about it. As someone who believes in God who are you to question what is motivating them to do good works?
You also made the statement that Christianity is the opposite of socialism/communism. From a political standpoint communism and Christianity are polar opposites but from an apolitical position Christianity advocates socialism.
Peace
DT
There was a contemplative who was unknown by name but the author of the cloud of the unknowing. He said one day God showed him the danger of allowing his heart be influenced by outside sources. He had seen a loaf of bread placed in the oven. The baker wasn't aware a cinamon stick was placed in the oven already. The bread came out with the aroma of cinammon through it. He learned a lesson this was him. He was to be like broken bread to others - should he have this liberty? No, was his conclusion. He had no political opinion of his own. He had no opinion.
In the bible the one characteristic of Ezekiel that is most remarkable is the absence of self and complete obedience - focus - on God and what He says. This is the goal of the contemplative. imo. His complete and utter detachment. The one word that defines the true contemplative more than any other word is " detached "... as in from the world.
By that definition, Jeri, comtemplatives are selfish. They seek only their own spiritual enlightenment and ignore the suffering of others. The Sisters have done their own contemplation about the suffering of others and their enlightenment is to go forth and do something about it. As someone who believes in God who are you to question what is motivating them to do good works?
You also made the statement that Christianity is the opposite of socialism/communism. From a political standpoint communism and Christianity are polar opposites but from an apolitical position Christianity advocates socialism.
Peace
DT
How is it possible for so many so-called christians on this board to attack their good work?
Because they are "progressive"??? H
Some rw's here are actually saying that helping our fellow man "progressive".
Hunger and homelessness should not be political and its very telling that its the "conservatives" who are attacking these women and me for posting about them.
The Christian reaction would be to admire their work.
This is exactly what I mean about "real" Christians as opposed to the preachy bible thumpers.
Luddly maintains that people should be punished for voicing their faith in church. In this instance, they WERE in church. Luddly was arguing that it was right and just that they be fired and otherwise punished for stating their faith:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...off-hgtv-channel-over-anti-gay-remarks-3.html
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Why cant these fake christians just do their jobs and leave the preaching and proselytizing at church?
Nope.
In that same thread, I wrote I was against them being fired for what they believe.
But that they should be fired for no cause, and suffer the *repercussions* of what they said in church.
You lose.
Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.
The church was not even close to that. The church is not owned by society, the church is and was self contained.
I suggest that you look up the definition of the term apolitical. The rest of your response derives from your inability to comprehend the terminology.
I would suggest you read the book of Acts before you try to tell us what the church "advocates". I have heard that mindless meme of yours too many times.
The rest of your response derives from your lack of education on either subject.
