What "rights" does nature give us?

[Sallow]

Yeah..

1 Male Lion versus 2 Nomadic Lions, Big fight for the territory and pride - YouTube

You should stop watching porn and maybe watch nature shows once in a while.

I must laugh, because the idea you're trying to put forth is absofuckinglutely one of the most ridiculous ones I've ever encountered.


Answer this, shallow: Why has man called the Lion "governance" a Pride, instead of governance?

Because like you, lions lack human intelligence and thus have not formed ordered societies, with rules and a governing body. It's merely aggression-based. Biggest mutherfucker rules. Ditto if you have more than one dog. The alpha rules.

I disagree.

They have formed "ordered" societies with rules and a governing body. It's pretty complex and operates on several levels.

Males are basically around for mating..and not much more. The females are the ones that make major decisions.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

It looks a lot more like a stupidity thing to me. I understand the animal instincts of the Lion just fine. You on the other hand, are a fucking extremely dim bulb, son.

Koios is losing his kewl because he's getting his ass kicked.

That's the problem with being a liberal. It's a difficult thing to find out everything you believe collides with reality.

 

[Sallow]

It looks a lot more like a stupidity thing to me. I understand the animal instincts of the Lion just fine. You on the other hand, are a fucking extremely dim bulb, son.

That's hilarious..coming from you.

One of the dimmest bulbs on any tree.

That's why I don't fret about this notion of "natural rights". Or "god".

And why if society suddenly collapsed you'd be in a fetal position in a cave somewhere wondering where your next meal is a coming from.

I see I've reduced this mouthbreathing puke/turd to his proper form. Terrible insults and a complete lack of a coherent argument.

Until next time, shallow. Stay stupid now.

It's basically all you have..

Dimmie.

 

[Koios]

I must laugh, because the idea you're trying to put forth is absofuckinglutely one of the most ridiculous ones I've ever encountered.


Answer this, shallow: Why has man called the Lion "governance" a Pride, instead of governance?

Because like you, lions lack human intelligence and thus have not formed ordered societies, with rules and a governing body. It's merely aggression-based. Biggest mutherfucker rules. Ditto if you have more than one dog. The alpha rules.

Thank you for answering the fucking question.

And yet you turds are still arguing that a Pride is a governing body. It's not. It's the instincts that these animals have. It's not governance. It's natural order.

My natural order is to retain my natural rights. Where puke/turd, yuck mouthbreathers do not get to infringe on them, and they exist regardless of whether or not some actually infringes on them.

You're fucking welcome.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Yeah..

1 Male Lion versus 2 Nomadic Lions, Big fight for the territory and pride - YouTube

You should stop watching porn and maybe watch nature shows once in a while.

I must laugh, because the idea you're trying to put forth is absofuckinglutely one of the most ridiculous ones I've ever encountered.


Answer this, shallow: Why has man called the Lion "governance" a Pride, instead of governance?

It's a superiority thing.

You wouldn't get it.

so you don't believe in equality......? ...guess you're not a greenie...

 

[Koios]

I must laugh, because the idea you're trying to put forth is absofuckinglutely one of the most ridiculous ones I've ever encountered.


Answer this, shallow: Why has man called the Lion "governance" a Pride, instead of governance?

Because like you, lions lack human intelligence and thus have not formed ordered societies, with rules and a governing body. It's merely aggression-based. Biggest mutherfucker rules. Ditto if you have more than one dog. The alpha rules.

I disagree.

They have formed "ordered" societies with rules and a governing body. It's pretty complex and operates on several levels.

Males are basically around for mating..and not much more. The females are the ones that make major decisions.

Just the ones in prides. Most are pretty solitary.

 

[Mustang]

With all this talk about "natural" rights..I was wondering. What are they?

Natural rights? I have a natural right to take a leak behind a bush if I really, REALLY have to go bad enough and there's no bathroom close enough by to even think of holding out till I can get there.

 

[Koios]

No they aren't, and where did I quote you out of context? If the words "leader" and "ruler" meant the same thing, we wouldn't have two separate words for them.

You're resorting to all these ad hominems because you're getting your ass handed to you. You're obviously wrong. Anyone who's ever studied Indian culture knows that Indian chiefs had no power to compel anyone to do anything. Reality doesn't support your boot licking theories of government, so you lash out like a petulant child.

Try to think back ... way, way back, to a few minutes ago, when you clicked the "Quote" button, and then deleted much of what followed my opening sentence, which provided the context.

I followed the thread quite a ways back and failed to note any context that would change the meaning I ascribed to your words. You claimed Sitting Bull was a ruler.

End of story.

As rule, your ability to see something is not what determines it being there. Noodle on it; you might get it, but I ain't holding out a lot of hope.

 

[Sallow]

I must laugh, because the idea you're trying to put forth is absofuckinglutely one of the most ridiculous ones I've ever encountered.


Answer this, shallow: Why has man called the Lion "governance" a Pride, instead of governance?

It's a superiority thing.

You wouldn't get it.

so you don't believe in equality......? ...guess you're not a greenie...

There are several forms of "equal".

One is "before the law" and one is "in the real world".

Which again, backs up the OP.

Because the "law" says we are equal.

And you folks don't at all back that notion.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

With all this talk about "natural" rights..I was wondering. What are they?

Natural rights? I have a natural right to take a leak behind a bush if I really, REALLY have to go bad enough and there's no bathroom close enough by to even think of holding out till I can get there.

Not according to shallow and crew. The government will determine your right to piss. And where I live, you dont do that. it's a violation of the law. Which is the only place you obtain any rights.

 

[bripat9643]

Try to think back ... way, way back, to a few minutes ago, when you clicked the "Quote" button, and then deleted much of what followed my opening sentence, which provided the context.

I followed the thread quite a ways back and failed to note any context that would change the meaning I ascribed to your words. You claimed Sitting Bull was a ruler.

End of story.

As rule, your ability to see something is not what determines it being there. Noodle on it; you might get it, but I ain't holding out a lot of hope.

Why don't you quote the text that you think makes a difference and save us all a lot of trouble? I'm not a mind reader.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It's a superiority thing.

You wouldn't get it.

so you don't believe in equality......? ...guess you're not a greenie...

There are several forms of "equal".

One is "before the law" and one is "in the real world".

Which again, backs up the OP.

Because the "law" says we are equal.

And you folks don't at all back that notion.

man's law may exist or not exist...and it may come in various forms as you imply...

natural law exists....rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are universal...

 

[Koios]

I followed the thread quite a ways back and failed to note any context that would change the meaning I ascribed to your words. You claimed Sitting Bull was a ruler.

End of story.

As rule, your ability to see something is not what determines it being there. Noodle on it; you might get it, but I ain't holding out a lot of hope.

Why don't you quote the text that you think makes a difference and save us all a lot of trouble? I'm not a mind reader.

No prob ..

He led about 100 or so Hunkpapa Sioux, who had no doubt of his authority over the group, who followed HIS LEAD in killing as many white settlers as they could get their arrows into, not to mention a rather unfortunate blond haired general of the US Army, which CHIEF Sitting Bull was none too keen on, either.

Does that spark any curiosity? Maybe you'll want to read something?

I gotta have hope.

They followed his lead. He didn't rule them. Anyone of them could have refused to go along with him anytime he wanted.

Leader and ruler are synonymous in societies. Obama leads the "free world." Alfred ruled the Anglo-Saxons, in the land of Wessex, which was the precursor of the British Crown.

 

[Mustang]

With all this talk about "natural" rights..I was wondering. What are they?

Natural rights? I have a natural right to take a leak behind a bush if I really, REALLY have to go bad enough and there's no bathroom close enough by to even think of holding out till I can get there.

Not according to shallow and crew. The government will determine your right to piss. And where I live, you dont do that. it's a violation of the law. Which is the only place you obtain any rights.

I'm pretty sure that not even God Himself could stop me from taking a piss when I have to go. Therefore, no gov't stands a chance of stopping me.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In other words, no injustice is done if society decides that homosexuals do not have the right to marry?

That would indeed be other words, not to mention a meaning that's exactly fucking opposite of what you quoted.

I'm not sure I follow. Just answer this question:

Is any injustice done if society decides not to allow homosexuals to marry?

Yes if it allows man/woman marriage. It's called discrimination.

The right of gays to marry is as basic a natural right as there is.

Put it in the pursuit of happiness category.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Natural rights? I have a natural right to take a leak behind a bush if I really, REALLY have to go bad enough and there's no bathroom close enough by to even think of holding out till I can get there.

Not according to shallow and crew. The government will determine your right to piss. And where I live, you dont do that. it's a violation of the law. Which is the only place you obtain any rights.

I'm pretty sure that not even God Himself could stop me from taking a piss when I have to go. Therefore, no gov't stands a chance of stopping me.

it's one of your natural rights...

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Try it on a NYC subway platform and see what happens.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Try it on a NYC subway platform and see what happens.

one has the right to go.....where to go is another issue....

 

[NYcarbineer]

Rhetoric....unless you can back it up.

What law(s) of nature makes abortion a natural right?

Now dont go on about how you can kill a fetus naturally....I know one can do that...that would make it a natural action..........but what makes it a natural RIGHT?

Ah, see,

now the various opinions of MEN come into deciding what are and aren't natural rights.

How is that dispute settled?

How can rights have come from the Creator, if they come from the decisions of MEN?

1. Men decide that rights came from the Creator

2. Men then decide, via their own invented decision-making process, what those rights are.

3. Thus is born the government of rights

4. Thus government, not the Creator, is the source of the rights.

If you reference our Founding documents, you will quickly see that America was founded on the acknowledgement that our rights are intrinsic and granted by the Creator.

Then the right to an abortion is a natural right granted by the Creator. Confirmed by the constitutional law.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Try it on a NYC subway platform and see what happens.

one has the right to go.....where to go is another issue....

So I can go in my pants on the subway platform, but not in the corner?

I need to seek council from the Pride on this one......