What should the verdict be in the Floyd trial?

[StormAl]

Guilty.

Crucifixtion.

 

[2aguy]

Impossible to say before a single witness is heard or a single piece of evidence is shown.

However, I'm more concerned about the BLM/Antifa mobs intimidating jurors. If I lived in Hennepin County I would be hard pressed to vote for innocence even if I thought the case wasn't proven. Its tough to watch your house burn because you don't go along with the liberal mob.

hahaha i'm sorry but what other evidence and witnesses are needed? we have multiple HD videos with sound of the cop killing the man.

The problem is that according to the autopsy, Floyd had no injuries from the side of his neck being kneeled upon. The cop’s actions didn’t kill him.

Injuries or not, we all saw thr cop kneeling on his neck.
Problem with you guys here in the US you love drama and TV crap and drag cases.
Floyd was a criminal yes. Thr cop killed and deserves jail time let's move on.
Why spend millions of dollars, rally emotions amd create drama ?

Wrong.....the cops didn't kill Floyd...he died of a drug overdose.....because of incredibly bad health...

Read what the medical examiner and the prosecution expert witness testified to and then you can retract your post...

The answer was a flat no, period. Floyd’s death could only be attributable to asphyxia complicated by law enforcement subdual restraint and neck compression.


Good for the state, right?

On cross examination, however, both Thomas and Baker agreed that every single one of those factors, by themselves, even in the absence of any police involvement, or any of the other factors, if viewed in isolation could be an entirely reasonable cause of death for an official death certificate.

(I’m amalgamating the responses of both Thomas and Baker, as they were so similar—video of their individual cross-examination testimony is embedded below for those wishing a more granular sense of what each said.)

In other words, had Floyd been found dead at home and autopsy revealed the 75% to 90% occlusion of his three major coronary arteries, would it have been reasonable for a medical examiner to attribute cause of death to that heart condition? Yes.

You’ve signed thousands of death certificates listing cause of death as atherosclerotic disease in patients with similar levels of occlusion as Floyd? Yes.

You’ve signed death certificates listing cause of death as hypertensive cardiomegalopathy in patients have a similar degree of enlarged heart as Floyd? Yes.

Did you tell investigators when interviewed that cardiovascular disease was a significant contributo rto Floyd’s death? Yes.

If Floyd had been found dead at home, and toxicology had revealed 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his system, would it have been reasonable for a medical examiner to attribute cause of death to fentanyl overdose? Yes.

Have you signed death certificates as overdose deaths in cases where fentanyl levels were at 11 ng/ml? Yes. Below 11 ng/ml? Yes. As low as 3 ng/ml? Yes.

Would the presence of a combination of drugs, like fentanyl and methamphetamine, make overdose a more likely cause of death? Yes.

Could asphyxia of the heart be induced by methamphetamine creating a higher demand for oxygen by the heart than Floyd’s body could deliver? Yes.

However low the level of methamphetamine in Floyd’s system, is there any level which is safe? No. Would you recommend methamphetamine or even prescription amphetamine for a patient with Floyd’s cardiac status? No.

Would this the demand for oxygen of Floyd’s heart, and the inability of his body to deliver on that demand, be worsened by adrenaline resulting from Floyd’s physical confrontation with the officers? Yes.

So, even if we don’t consider Floyd’s exertion in fighting police, take the police out of the question entirely , pretend there was no impact made by the illicit drugs in Floyd’s system, a reasonable call on cause of death was simply Floyd’s existing cardiovascular disease and hypertension? Yes.

What percentage of restriction of the coronary arteries would be potentially fatal? 70% to 90%. What was the restriction of the coronary arteries in Floyd’s heart? 75% to 90%. Does a 90% stenosis of a carotid artery limit blood to the heart? Yes. Does adrenaline increase the heart’s demand for blood? Yes. Does meth increase demand for blood? Yes.

In the context of death being purportedly afflicted by subdual restraint and neck compression, Nelson also hammered on the absence of any objective evidence of actual force sufficient to achieve such a result.

Was there any bruising to the back of Floyd’s neck or back? No. Either on the surface or even deeper in the tissues? No. Would a knee and shin applied with substantial force be expected to cause a bruise? Yes, would be expected, but absence of bruising doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. That’s true of course, but one does not get to guilt beyond a reasonable doubt based on explaining away an absence of evidence.

Then, for both Thomas and Baker, on re-direct by Prosecutor Blackwell they would both once again parrot the magic words desired by the state: Floyd’s death could only be attributable to asphyxia complicated by law enforcement subdual restraint and neck compression. Not to heart disease? No. Not to hypertension? No. Not to fentanyl? No. Not to Meth? No. Not to fighting the police? No.

This generalized and simple-minded denial of the uncertainty and doubt raised in detail by the defense on cross may once again provide fodder for conviction-favorable headlines, but it doesn’t push the needle closer to certainty beyond a reasonable doubt in court.

And that is precisely the state’s burden: certainty beyond a reasonable doubt. Any ambiguity in the case necessarily accrues to the benefit of the defense, and the lengthy cross examination of both Thomas and Baker revealed plenty of ambiguity.

It’s also worth noting that the state calling for the testimony of Thomas immediately before that of Baker borders on the inane. The entirety of Thomas’ testimony was premised on Baker’s autopsy report and other materials also used by Baker to arrive at his conclusions on cause and mechanism of death.

Chauvin Trial Day 10 Wrap-Up: Defense Raises More Reasonable Doubt with State Witnesses

Floyd’s Health & Drug Problems Alone Would Be Reasonable Causes of Death

legalinsurrection.com

 

[Rigby5]

Impossible to say before a single witness is heard or a single piece of evidence is shown.

However, I'm more concerned about the BLM/Antifa mobs intimidating jurors. If I lived in Hennepin County I would be hard pressed to vote for innocence even if I thought the case wasn't proven. Its tough to watch your house burn because you don't go along with the liberal mob.

hahaha i'm sorry but what other evidence and witnesses are needed? we have multiple HD videos with sound of the cop killing the man.

The problem is that according to the autopsy, Floyd had no injuries from the side of his neck being kneeled upon. The cop’s actions didn’t kill him.

Injuries or not, we all saw thr cop kneeling on his neck.
Problem with you guys here in the US you love drama and TV crap and drag cases.
Floyd was a criminal yes. Thr cop killed and deserves jail time let's move on.
Why spend millions of dollars, rally emotions amd create drama ?

Because decent people want this to stop and not be repeated, while some people want it to happen even more.
This essentially was a lynching by police that was no different than a KKK lynching 70 years ago.

 

[Rigby5]

I only have one question, and it may have already been addressed in the trial: How does the officer's actions compare to current training and rules? Depending on that answer, this might be another situation in which we need to know (and perhaps fix) expectations put on these guys. If the rules under which he operates indicate that what he was doing was acceptable, that needs to be addressed. Nationally.

Nope. Any sensible person would realize stepping on a man's neck for 9 minutes would probably kill them.

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Wrong.
The video clearly shows Chauvin is not only compressing the esophagus, but also compressing the carotid artery.
Any pressure on the neck normally is totally and completely illegal because it is will knows to be potentially lethal.
The only time it is legal is if under a lethal attack and you then have justification for lethal force.

 

[Rigby5]

Even if he is convicted of a less than the top count or convicted of the top count, but the penalty isn't severe enough for the mob's taste, BLM will schedule riots. The only thing that BLM wants is vengeance for their hero George Floyd.

Well, first there is going to be a break between verdict and sentencing.

Second- get this - there's no BLM central command that schedules riots. Either people will be satisfied justice was done or they won't be.

When Jason "16 shots" Van Dyke was convicted in Chicago, there were demonstration, but no riots. Then a couple months later, on the coldest day of the year, they held a long-ass hearing on his sentencing before the judge gave him a mere 7 years (probably out in three) despite hearing a lot of stories from other people he abused.

Yes, people want JUSTICE for George Floyd. They also want reforms so this sort of thing doesn't happen again. These are not unreasonable requests.

Reform Numero Uno...... don't do fentanyl.

Everyone has the legal right to do fentanyl if they want.
It is the War on Drugs that is completely illegal.
The only authority for law comes from defense of the rights of others, and the War on Drugs defends the rights of no one.

 

[Rigby5]

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

How much pressure neck was he applying?

Doesn't matter.
The neck can not take ANY pressure at all, and any neck pressure is criminal, (unless it is justifiable murder).

 

[Rigby5]

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

 

[Issa]

Impossible to say before a single witness is heard or a single piece of evidence is shown.

However, I'm more concerned about the BLM/Antifa mobs intimidating jurors. If I lived in Hennepin County I would be hard pressed to vote for innocence even if I thought the case wasn't proven. Its tough to watch your house burn because you don't go along with the liberal mob.

hahaha i'm sorry but what other evidence and witnesses are needed? we have multiple HD videos with sound of the cop killing the man.

The problem is that according to the autopsy, Floyd had no injuries from the side of his neck being kneeled upon. The cop’s actions didn’t kill him.

Injuries or not, we all saw thr cop kneeling on his neck.
Problem with you guys here in the US you love drama and TV crap and drag cases.
Floyd was a criminal yes. Thr cop killed and deserves jail time let's move on.
Why spend millions of dollars, rally emotions amd create drama ?

Wrong.....the cops didn't kill Floyd...he died of a drug overdose.....because of incredibly bad health...

Read what the medical examiner and the prosecution expert witness testified to and then you can retract your post...

The answer was a flat no, period. Floyd’s death could only be attributable to asphyxia complicated by law enforcement subdual restraint and neck compression.


Good for the state, right?

On cross examination, however, both Thomas and Baker agreed that every single one of those factors, by themselves, even in the absence of any police involvement, or any of the other factors, if viewed in isolation could be an entirely reasonable cause of death for an official death certificate.

(I’m amalgamating the responses of both Thomas and Baker, as they were so similar—video of their individual cross-examination testimony is embedded below for those wishing a more granular sense of what each said.)

In other words, had Floyd been found dead at home and autopsy revealed the 75% to 90% occlusion of his three major coronary arteries, would it have been reasonable for a medical examiner to attribute cause of death to that heart condition? Yes.

You’ve signed thousands of death certificates listing cause of death as atherosclerotic disease in patients with similar levels of occlusion as Floyd? Yes.

You’ve signed death certificates listing cause of death as hypertensive cardiomegalopathy in patients have a similar degree of enlarged heart as Floyd? Yes.

Did you tell investigators when interviewed that cardiovascular disease was a significant contributo rto Floyd’s death? Yes.

If Floyd had been found dead at home, and toxicology had revealed 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his system, would it have been reasonable for a medical examiner to attribute cause of death to fentanyl overdose? Yes.

Have you signed death certificates as overdose deaths in cases where fentanyl levels were at 11 ng/ml? Yes. Below 11 ng/ml? Yes. As low as 3 ng/ml? Yes.

Would the presence of a combination of drugs, like fentanyl and methamphetamine, make overdose a more likely cause of death? Yes.

Could asphyxia of the heart be induced by methamphetamine creating a higher demand for oxygen by the heart than Floyd’s body could deliver? Yes.

However low the level of methamphetamine in Floyd’s system, is there any level which is safe? No. Would you recommend methamphetamine or even prescription amphetamine for a patient with Floyd’s cardiac status? No.

Would this the demand for oxygen of Floyd’s heart, and the inability of his body to deliver on that demand, be worsened by adrenaline resulting from Floyd’s physical confrontation with the officers? Yes.

So, even if we don’t consider Floyd’s exertion in fighting police, take the police out of the question entirely , pretend there was no impact made by the illicit drugs in Floyd’s system, a reasonable call on cause of death was simply Floyd’s existing cardiovascular disease and hypertension? Yes.

What percentage of restriction of the coronary arteries would be potentially fatal? 70% to 90%. What was the restriction of the coronary arteries in Floyd’s heart? 75% to 90%. Does a 90% stenosis of a carotid artery limit blood to the heart? Yes. Does adrenaline increase the heart’s demand for blood? Yes. Does meth increase demand for blood? Yes.

In the context of death being purportedly afflicted by subdual restraint and neck compression, Nelson also hammered on the absence of any objective evidence of actual force sufficient to achieve such a result.

Was there any bruising to the back of Floyd’s neck or back? No. Either on the surface or even deeper in the tissues? No. Would a knee and shin applied with substantial force be expected to cause a bruise? Yes, would be expected, but absence of bruising doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. That’s true of course, but one does not get to guilt beyond a reasonable doubt based on explaining away an absence of evidence.

Then, for both Thomas and Baker, on re-direct by Prosecutor Blackwell they would both once again parrot the magic words desired by the state: Floyd’s death could only be attributable to asphyxia complicated by law enforcement subdual restraint and neck compression. Not to heart disease? No. Not to hypertension? No. Not to fentanyl? No. Not to Meth? No. Not to fighting the police? No.

This generalized and simple-minded denial of the uncertainty and doubt raised in detail by the defense on cross may once again provide fodder for conviction-favorable headlines, but it doesn’t push the needle closer to certainty beyond a reasonable doubt in court.

And that is precisely the state’s burden: certainty beyond a reasonable doubt. Any ambiguity in the case necessarily accrues to the benefit of the defense, and the lengthy cross examination of both Thomas and Baker revealed plenty of ambiguity.

It’s also worth noting that the state calling for the testimony of Thomas immediately before that of Baker borders on the inane. The entirety of Thomas’ testimony was premised on Baker’s autopsy report and other materials also used by Baker to arrive at his conclusions on cause and mechanism of death.

Chauvin Trial Day 10 Wrap-Up: Defense Raises More Reasonable Doubt with State Witnesses

Floyd’s Health & Drug Problems Alone Would Be Reasonable Causes of Death

legalinsurrection.com

No matter what you will always be on the other side you are too blinded and biased.

 

[JoeB131]

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

Uh, guy, if he died at home, that would be an argument.

He died under Darrin Chauvin's knee.

There is no "reasonable doubt" here.

You can argue that a nurse who goes around smothering patients at a Hospice isn't guilty because those folks were gonna die anyway... but you'd just look silly doing it.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong.....the cops didn't kill Floyd...he died of a drug overdose.....because of incredibly bad health...

Read what the medical examiner and the prosecution expert witness testified to and then you can retract your post...

Yawn, guy. The thing was that he was alive and fine until Chauvin put a knee to his neck.

 

[2aguy]

The video clearly shows that Chauvin's knee was NOT compressing his airway. The cop behaved stupidly and carelessly but did not murder Floyd. Imagine being a juror who actually follows the bench instructions and finds Chauvin guilty of only Manslaughter. All 14 of those jurors can be doxxed and punished for their actions. THAT is the America the Left want for us all.

Any Juror who finds less than murder is a complete fucking idiot.

The video shows he murdered the guy. This isn't a split second decision, this is NINE MINUTES of compressing the man's airways. He stayed on him for five minutes after he stopped struggling.

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

1) 11 nanograms of fentanyl, mixed with methamphetemine.......the medical examiner and the expert witness both testified under oath that they themselves had signed death certificates indicating over doses at 11ng, then, when asked, also confirmed they had signed death certificates at 3ng....the dose where people actually start to die.

2) he had 3 blocked coronary arteries.......the medical examiner and the expert medical witness stated, under oath, under cross examination, that they had signed death certificates resulting from blocked arteries at the 70-90% blockage.....Floyds 3 arteries were 75-90% blocked.

3) he had an enlarged heart and high blood pressure...

4) the medical examiner and the expert witness testified under oath that they had signed death certificates indicating over dose at 11nanograms.......

He died from an over dose...

Wrong.

1) Drugs had not even yet caused unconsciousness, so could not have killed him for hours yet to come.
And as far as fentanyl and methamphetamine, they counteract each other, nullifying them both, to a degree.

2) Floyd has NO artery that was blocked enough to cause anything at this time. The medical experts clearly said:
{... Baker testified that neither Floyd’s heart problems nor drugs caused his death: "Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. His heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint." ...}

3) The experts said the enlarged heart actually made him stronger, not weaker or likely to die. High blood pressure did not kill. Lack of O2 from neck pressure was the consistent cause of death from all the witnesses.

4) Floyd likely would have survived the drug overdose, but it had not happened yet and could not have happened for hours. He had just taken the drugs, and they do not work that fast. A drug overdose takes hours.

And you are wrong on all counts..........the defense got the medical examiner to admit as much under cross..

You should watch the trial........

The answer was a flat no, period. Floyd’s death could only be attributable to asphyxia complicated by law enforcement subdual restraint and neck compression.


Good for the state, right?

On cross examination, however, both Thomas and Baker agreed that every single one of those factors, by themselves, even in the absence of any police involvement, or any of the other factors, if viewed in isolation could be an entirely reasonable cause of death for an official death certificate.


(I’m amalgamating the responses of both Thomas and Baker, as they were so similar—video of their individual cross-examination testimony is embedded below for those wishing a more granular sense of what each said.)

In other words, had Floyd been found dead at home and autopsy revealed the 75% to 90% occlusion of his three major coronary arteries, would it have been reasonable for a medical examiner to attribute cause of death to that heart condition? Yes.

You’ve signed thousands of death certificates listing cause of death as atherosclerotic disease in patients with similar levels of occlusion as Floyd? Yes.

You’ve signed death certificates listing cause of death as hypertensive cardiomegalopathy in patients have a similar degree of enlarged heart as Floyd? Yes.

Did you tell investigators when interviewed that cardiovascular disease was a significant contributo rto Floyd’s death? Yes.

If Floyd had been found dead at home, and toxicology had revealed 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his system, would it have been reasonable for a medical examiner to attribute cause of death to fentanyl overdose? Yes.

Have you signed death certificates as overdose deaths in cases where fentanyl levels were at 11 ng/ml? Yes. Below 11 ng/ml? Yes. As low as 3 ng/ml? Yes.

Would the presence of a combination of drugs, like fentanyl and methamphetamine, make overdose a more likely cause of death? Yes.

Could asphyxia of the heart be induced by methamphetamine creating a higher demand for oxygen by the heart than Floyd’s body could deliver? Yes.

However low the level of methamphetamine in Floyd’s system, is there any level which is safe? No. Would you recommend methamphetamine or even prescription amphetamine for a patient with Floyd’s cardiac status? No.

Would this the demand for oxygen of Floyd’s heart, and the inability of his body to deliver on that demand, be worsened by adrenaline resulting from Floyd’s physical confrontation with the officers? Yes.

So, even if we don’t consider Floyd’s exertion in fighting police, take the police out of the question entirely , pretend there was no impact made by the illicit drugs in Floyd’s system, a reasonable call on cause of death was simply Floyd’s existing cardiovascular disease and hypertension? Yes.

What percentage of restriction of the coronary arteries would be potentially fatal? 70% to 90%. What was the restriction of the coronary arteries in Floyd’s heart? 75% to 90%. Does a 90% stenosis of a carotid artery limit blood to the heart? Yes. Does adrenaline increase the heart’s demand for blood? Yes. Does meth increase demand for blood? Yes.

In the context of death being purportedly afflicted by subdual restraint and neck compression, Nelson also hammered on the absence of any objective evidence of actual force sufficient to achieve such a result.

Was there any bruising to the back of Floyd’s neck or back? No. Either on the surface or even deeper in the tissues? No. Would a knee and shin applied with substantial force be expected to cause a bruise? Yes, would be expected, but absence of bruising doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. That’s true of course, but one does not get to guilt beyond a reasonable doubt based on explaining away an absence of evidence.

Then, for both Thomas and Baker, on re-direct by Prosecutor Blackwell they would both once again parrot the magic words desired by the state: Floyd’s death could only be attributable to asphyxia complicated by law enforcement subdual restraint and neck compression. Not to heart disease? No. Not to hypertension? No. Not to fentanyl? No. Not to Meth? No. Not to fighting the police? No.

This generalized and simple-minded denial of the uncertainty and doubt raised in detail by the defense on cross may once again provide fodder for conviction-favorable headlines, but it doesn’t push the needle closer to certainty beyond a reasonable doubt in court.

And that is precisely the state’s burden: certainty beyond a reasonable doubt. Any ambiguity in the case necessarily accrues to the benefit of the defense, and the lengthy cross examination of both Thomas and Baker revealed plenty of ambiguity.
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On cross-examination Baker was also specifically asked by Nelson if the prone position was inherently dangerous? His answer was that according to his understanding of medical literature, it was not.

Did it appear to Dr. Baker, based on autopsy, review of all videos, and every other piece of evidence made available to him, that Chauvin’s knee ever occluded Floyd’s carotid artery? It did not.

But even if it had, noted Baker, it would have done so to only the carotid artery on that side of the body, and the non-occluded artery would have continued to carry blood to the brain.

So much for the testimony of the state’s MMA expert bystander witness Williams who had testified under oath that a “blood choke” could be effectively applied by the knee to merely one side of the neck.

Would the placement of Chauvin’s knee have been able anatomically to cut off Floyd’s airway? It would not, answered Baker.

So how again, exactly, did Chauvin’s conduct kill Floyd?

Baker also testified that a factor in his consideration of cause of death was that Floyd had been given CPR and survived until he reached the hospital, only dying there. This testimony directly contradicts that of early state expert witnesses who testified that they could identify the precise moment of Floyd’s death as he lay prone on the street based on police body camera, surveillance, and bystander videos.

Chauvin Trial Day 10 Wrap-Up: Defense Raises More Reasonable Doubt with State Witnesses

Floyd’s Health & Drug Problems Alone Would Be Reasonable Causes of Death

legalinsurrection.com

 

[2aguy]

Any juroro who convicts is an asshole........the last 8 witnesses of the prosecution helped the defense and created more than enough reasonable doubt about Chauvin and the death of Floyd....

If you followed the trial, you dumb shit....you would know that he did not compress the air way....there was no damage to the neck, shoulders or back at any tissue level....

Floyd died from a combination of...

Uh, guy, if he died at home, that would be an argument.

He died under Darrin Chauvin's knee.

There is no "reasonable doubt" here.

You can argue that a nurse who goes around smothering patients at a Hospice isn't guilty because those folks were gonna die anyway... but you'd just look silly doing it.

There is absolute and undeniable reasonable doubt, especially after the last 8 prosecution witnesses....

Floyd died from a drug over dose and bad health......

 

[JoeB131]

And you are wrong on all counts..........the defense got the medical examiner to admit as much under cross..

You should watch the trial........

We are watching the trial.

Here's when we know it's over for Chauvin... when the defense rests without calling him to the stand.

 

[JoeB131]

There is absolute and undeniable reasonable doubt, especially after the last 8 prosecution witnesses....

Floyd died from a drug over dose and bad health......

He died with Chauvin's knee on his neck. No reasonable doubt at all.

You have one or two lines out of witnesses talking about drugs.
We have that tape.
The tape where he sits there smugly with his knee on the mans neck as the life slowly drains out of him.

There's no jump ball here... but if there was, the fact that people will burn the city if they don't get a conviction is enough to push it towards guilty.

 

[Quasar44]

3rd degree or 10-15 yrs

 

[2aguy]

There is absolute and undeniable reasonable doubt, especially after the last 8 prosecution witnesses....

Floyd died from a drug over dose and bad health......

He died with Chauvin's knee on his neck. No reasonable doubt at all.

You have one or two lines out of witnesses talking about drugs.
We have that tape.
The tape where he sits there smugly with his knee on the mans neck as the life slowly drains out of him.

There's no jump ball here... but if there was, the fact that people will burn the city if they don't get a conviction is enough to push it towards guilty.

And every witness the prosectution has called has undermined what you just posted....you dumb ass....the knee did nothing.....

They are going to burn the city no matter what, because they have been ruled over by democrats since 1974....so their city is a hell hole.........they have become irrational and there is no way for them to understand truth anymore.

 

[Snouter]

Not guilty. And then sue the state for persecuting him for doing his job.

 

[JoeB131]

And every witness the prosectution has called has undermined what you just posted....you dumb ass....the knee did nothing.....

They are going to burn the city no matter what, because they have been ruled over by democrats since 1974....so their city is a hell hole.........they have become irrational and there is no way for them to understand truth anymore.

If they let this guy go after you have him murdering a man on video, we'll deserve every city that gets burned down.

I'm out here in the Burbs, I don't care... but you might.

 

[forkup]

There is absolute and undeniable reasonable doubt, especially after the last 8 prosecution witnesses....

Floyd died from a drug over dose and bad health......

He died with Chauvin's knee on his neck. No reasonable doubt at all.

You have one or two lines out of witnesses talking about drugs.
We have that tape.
The tape where he sits there smugly with his knee on the mans neck as the life slowly drains out of him.

There's no jump ball here... but if there was, the fact that people will burn the city if they don't get a conviction is enough to push it towards guilty.

And every witness the prosectution has called has undermined what you just posted....you dumb ass....the knee did nothing.....

They are going to burn the city no matter what, because they have been ruled over by democrats since 1974....so their city is a hell hole.........they have become irrational and there is no way for them to understand truth anymore.

If every witness says he died from asphyxia how is it undermined? Plenty of people have got controlled substances in their blood, not all people who die have no blood oxygen in their blood at the time of death. You can check for it and they have. Witnesses have been asked if a completely healthy person would have died under the same circumstances and they have said yes.

I think you have a problem with the concept of reasonable doubt. Reasonable doesn't put the threshold pretty clearly not at if we can cast any doubt we're golden.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

Impossible to say before a single witness is heard or a single piece of evidence is shown.

However, I'm more concerned about the BLM/Antifa mobs intimidating jurors. If I lived in Hennepin County I would be hard pressed to vote for innocence even if I thought the case wasn't proven. Its tough to watch your house burn because you don't go along with the liberal mob.

What makes you think the BLM crowd are liberals?

Was the man who died a good man or a bad man?

That is irrelevant!

the **** copper should be Hung, Drawn & Quartered.

I am normally against all forms of capital punishment but the way that cop watched as he slowly murdered Floyd despite the crowd pleading with him to allow the man at least a few mouthfuls of air was disgusting.