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Can you apply that ringing endorsement to the executive suite at Enron or WorldCom or Bears Stearns or AIG or Wells Fargo or Countrywide Mortgage? Seems those pirates floated down to East Hampton on golden parachutes. What hard work! What skills!That plan would raise taxes on the poor and drastically cut taxes on the wealthy! Your very own Mitt Romney paid a lower percentage to the IRS because he did not EARN the wealth he enjoys. It's all investment income, nothing earned by producing goods and services.Actually.. how about everyone pay the same tax rate on every dollar earned (starting with dollar 1) with no exception, exemption, deduction, loophole, or anything else???
But a waitress with two kids gets soaked simply because her income is derived from ACTUAL HARD WORK, a virtue quickly fleeting from the Conservative economic playbook.
Are Conservatives capable of thinking deeper than a bumper sticker?
There was no way that anyone should have been exempted in the first place
It is like you going to the grocery store and them forgetting to ring up your milk for the past 2 years... when they finally correct the problem and start charging you the same for milk that everyone else pays, it is one like you who would then complain how unfair it is and that it is a raise in your price when others are not getting raised
You act as if being a business leader or whatever is not 'actual hard work'.... well, anyone can bus a table, flip a burger, or scrub a urinal... the skills needed to do the upper level jobs are less prevalent, hence more in demand, and hence derive a greater compensation package... you want the 'easier work', gain the skills needed to put yourself in demand for one of those positions
Raise the salaries and benefits of their current employees, bring back the jobs from overseas and hire Americans to fill those jobs. Those people will start to feel confident to spend again. This is what Reagan referred to as trickle down economics.
Nobody needs to give anything away or redistribute a damn dime.
The vast majority of Companies that moved jobs overseas hated doing it. And would rather bring the jobs home if they could.
Let me tell you a true story from a former CFO I knew.
His Company wanted to build a Factory in North Carolina.
They applied for the permit and had to get approval from the State EPA, the Federal EPA, County Zoning and make a deal with the Union. It was a Union Industry. No getting around it.
So they submit the plans to the County. Well, the County kicks them back and meanwhile, all the County Commissioners are running around trying to buy up land in or around the proposed building site so they can make a shitload of money.
Within a few weeks the building proposal hits the public and a group of fukking hippies suddenly swear they've seen an Eagle making a nest on the land. So the EPA comes in and proposes a study -- A ONE YEAR Study.
Then the Union starts making noises about how the proposed wages ($10 an hour to start back in 1995) were too low and they were going to file suit.
Then the State sends in an Environmental Engineer (oh yes there is) and she starts yapping about sheet flow and parking lots and other extraneous and stupid bullshit.
Then, some of the people in the area, regular people, get it in their heads that they might not want a factory nearby and file a suit. (they were just looking for a payoff)
Meanwhile, the Eagle's nest is yet to be determined and the EPA proposes an extra year of study because the dirty fucking hippies found an abandoned nest and moved it into a tree on the property while the County kicks the plans back again and the State wants them to do a study approved by an Environmental Engineering Firm on sheet flow and streams and bugs and ducks and stupid fukking hippies.
Know what the Company did?
They moved to China.
The area in NC lost around 5,000 jobs. China gained 10,000 jobs.
Know what happens in China when they want to build a Factory?
THEY BUILD A FUCKING FACTORY!!
Here? Forget it. Very difficult, very expensive.
I could go on and on but I won't.
Maybe someday, if you're nice, I'll explain how most factories in China worked at the time. And a lot of them still do. Maybe most.
Anecdotes are a dime a dozen. Stop blaming the EPA. Check out how the O&G industry has taken over the Delaware Valley in PA and NJ with thousands of natural gas wells drilled. No problems or interference. Lots of chemicals flowing into the Delaware River though.
We are not talking about some Cletus in North Carolina, we are talking about a nation of over 300,000,000 people.
Know why there's such a disparity between rich and poor?
Because there is the same, exact disparity between smart and stupid.
Yes, you people that are in here daily and bitching about how 'The Man' has kept you down on an hourly basis.....?
You're stupid.
Instead of bitching about how something is always someone else's fault, you could be spending your time doing something about your very own stupidity.
And no, I don't mean getting an education. If those people had any brains, they wouldn't be putting up with numbskulls like you every day, grading your stupid papers and bouncing crybaby losers on their knee.
If they had any real brains, they'd be out doing something real.
Which is what you crybabies should be doing.
And oh... I'm retired. In Florida. I paid my dues. I ain't rich, but I ain't crying either.
Sick of hearing excuses all day from the same fucking losers. DO something about it
In reality rhe reason Koch brothers are rich is because they are rich
I cannot make millions because I do not have billions to invest
Liberals think they should give that money to others
my simple question is then what?
Being wealthy is not a sin
staying wealthy takes work and welath to start with
its just the facts of life
Yes, and your road is paved in mud and ruts, and that ox cart gets 2 miles an hour. And when you are invaded by people who did share their wealth to have a well regulated army, you can still work as their slave and share everything. LMAO!
^ Maybe one of the dumbest things ever posted on the Internet
Maybe you don't comprehend what you read, or could be a case of con-denial attack.
Raise the salaries and benefits of their current employees, bring back the jobs from overseas and hire Americans to fill those jobs. Those people will start to feel confident to spend again. This is what Reagan referred to as trickle down economics.
Nobody needs to give anything away or redistribute a damn dime.
The vast majority of Companies that moved jobs overseas hated doing it. And would rather bring the jobs home if they could.
Let me tell you a true story from a former CFO I knew.
His Company wanted to build a Factory in North Carolina.
They applied for the permit and had to get approval from the State EPA, the Federal EPA, County Zoning and make a deal with the Union. It was a Union Industry. No getting around it.
So they submit the plans to the County. Well, the County kicks them back and meanwhile, all the County Commissioners are running around trying to buy up land in or around the proposed building site so they can make a shitload of money.
Within a few weeks the building proposal hits the public and a group of fukking hippies suddenly swear they've seen an Eagle making a nest on the land. So the EPA comes in and proposes a study -- A ONE YEAR Study.
Then the Union starts making noises about how the proposed wages ($10 an hour to start back in 1995) were too low and they were going to file suit.
Then the State sends in an Environmental Engineer (oh yes there is) and she starts yapping about sheet flow and parking lots and other extraneous and stupid bullshit.
Then, some of the people in the area, regular people, get it in their heads that they might not want a factory nearby and file a suit. (they were just looking for a payoff)
Meanwhile, the Eagle's nest is yet to be determined and the EPA proposes an extra year of study because the dirty fucking hippies found an abandoned nest and moved it into a tree on the property while the County kicks the plans back again and the State wants them to do a study approved by an Environmental Engineering Firm on sheet flow and streams and bugs and ducks and stupid fukking hippies.
Know what the Company did?
They moved to China.
The area in NC lost around 5,000 jobs. China gained 10,000 jobs.
Know what happens in China when they want to build a Factory?
THEY BUILD A FUCKING FACTORY!!
Here? Forget it. Very difficult, very expensive.
I could go on and on but I won't.
Maybe someday, if you're nice, I'll explain how most factories in China worked at the time. And a lot of them still do. Maybe most.
Anecdotes are a dime a dozen. Stop blaming the EPA. Check out how the O&G industry has taken over the Delaware Valley in PA and NJ with thousands of natural gas wells drilled. No problems or interference. Lots of chemicals flowing into the Delaware River though.
We are not talking about some Cletus in North Carolina, we are talking about a nation of over 300,000,000 people.
Can you apply that ringing endorsement to the executive suite at Enron or WorldCom or Bears Stearns or AIG or Wells Fargo or Countrywide Mortgage? Seems those pirates floated down to East Hampton on golden parachutes. What hard work! What skills!That plan would raise taxes on the poor and drastically cut taxes on the wealthy! Your very own Mitt Romney paid a lower percentage to the IRS because he did not EARN the wealth he enjoys. It's all investment income, nothing earned by producing goods and services.
But a waitress with two kids gets soaked simply because her income is derived from ACTUAL HARD WORK, a virtue quickly fleeting from the Conservative economic playbook.
Are Conservatives capable of thinking deeper than a bumper sticker?
There was no way that anyone should have been exempted in the first place
It is like you going to the grocery store and them forgetting to ring up your milk for the past 2 years... when they finally correct the problem and start charging you the same for milk that everyone else pays, it is one like you who would then complain how unfair it is and that it is a raise in your price when others are not getting raised
You act as if being a business leader or whatever is not 'actual hard work'.... well, anyone can bus a table, flip a burger, or scrub a urinal... the skills needed to do the upper level jobs are less prevalent, hence more in demand, and hence derive a greater compensation package... you want the 'easier work', gain the skills needed to put yourself in demand for one of those positions
You just want to force what individuals and companies do with their money....
Typical statist
My, don't we distort the language here? The O/P asks what I would have them do. I said bring jobs back to American soil and provide raises for the current employees (instead of cutting their hours and benefits. I'm sure Larry Ellison of Oracle could survive on a little less than his current $263,000 a day.*)
Where do I recommend force?
Don't dodge this easy question, either. Answer it or STFU.
*Highest-paid executives: Larry Ellison, Oracle, Elon Musk, Tesla Motors, Marissa Mayer, Yahoo!, John Donahoe, eBay, John Hammergren, McKesson, Glenn Murphy, Gap Inc., John Watson, Chevron Corp., Marc Benioff, Salesforce.com, John Stumpf, Wells Fargo,
Use their profits to raise salaries and benefits... THAT is FORCE
If the company CHOOSES To pay the CEO tons and not raise salaries of employees.. that is THEIR CHOICE.. just as it is your CHOICE not to work there or use the products or services of that company
You sir, are all about force
Now.. back under your rock
The vast majority of Companies that moved jobs overseas hated doing it. And would rather bring the jobs home if they could.
Let me tell you a true story from a former CFO I knew.
His Company wanted to build a Factory in North Carolina.
They applied for the permit and had to get approval from the State EPA, the Federal EPA, County Zoning and make a deal with the Union. It was a Union Industry. No getting around it.
So they submit the plans to the County. Well, the County kicks them back and meanwhile, all the County Commissioners are running around trying to buy up land in or around the proposed building site so they can make a shitload of money.
Within a few weeks the building proposal hits the public and a group of fukking hippies suddenly swear they've seen an Eagle making a nest on the land. So the EPA comes in and proposes a study -- A ONE YEAR Study.
Then the Union starts making noises about how the proposed wages ($10 an hour to start back in 1995) were too low and they were going to file suit.
Then the State sends in an Environmental Engineer (oh yes there is) and she starts yapping about sheet flow and parking lots and other extraneous and stupid bullshit.
Then, some of the people in the area, regular people, get it in their heads that they might not want a factory nearby and file a suit. (they were just looking for a payoff)
Meanwhile, the Eagle's nest is yet to be determined and the EPA proposes an extra year of study because the dirty fucking hippies found an abandoned nest and moved it into a tree on the property while the County kicks the plans back again and the State wants them to do a study approved by an Environmental Engineering Firm on sheet flow and streams and bugs and ducks and stupid fukking hippies.
Know what the Company did?
They moved to China.
The area in NC lost around 5,000 jobs. China gained 10,000 jobs.
Know what happens in China when they want to build a Factory?
THEY BUILD A FUCKING FACTORY!!
Here? Forget it. Very difficult, very expensive.
I could go on and on but I won't.
Maybe someday, if you're nice, I'll explain how most factories in China worked at the time. And a lot of them still do. Maybe most.
Anecdotes are a dime a dozen. Stop blaming the EPA. Check out how the O&G industry has taken over the Delaware Valley in PA and NJ with thousands of natural gas wells drilled. No problems or interference. Lots of chemicals flowing into the Delaware River though.
We are not talking about some Cletus in North Carolina, we are talking about a nation of over 300,000,000 people.
Not sure what your point is here
The O&G industry has taken nothing over
private citizens are making wealth off of the resouces found on there lans
then comes the employee who makes close to 6 figures a year in the industry
what would you think we should do for a job?
growth?
a real economy?
I read a joke where the Koch brothers have 12 cookies
take 11
give 1/2 of one to a Conservative
and then tell the same "look at that person on wellfare, he is trying to take half of your cookie"
What would you have them do?
Do you understand why I cannot ever become "rich"
Raise the salaries and benefits of their current employees, bring back the jobs from overseas and hire Americans to fill those jobs. Those people will start to feel confident to spend again. This is what Reagan referred to as trickle down economics.
Nobody needs to give anything away or redistribute a damn dime.
The vast majority of Companies that moved jobs overseas hated doing it. And would rather bring the jobs home if they could.
Let me tell you a true story from a former CFO I knew.
His Company wanted to build a Factory in North Carolina.
They applied for the permit and had to get approval from the State EPA, the Federal EPA, County Zoning and make a deal with the Union. It was a Union Industry. No getting around it.
So they submit the plans to the County. Well, the County kicks them back and meanwhile, all the County Commissioners are running around trying to buy up land in or around the proposed building site so they can make a shitload of money.
Within a few weeks the building proposal hits the public and a group of fukking hippies suddenly swear they've seen an Eagle making a nest on the land. So the EPA comes in and proposes a study -- A ONE YEAR Study.
Then the Union starts making noises about how the proposed wages ($10 an hour to start back in 1995) were too low and they were going to file suit.
Then the State sends in an Environmental Engineer (oh yes there is) and she starts yapping about sheet flow and parking lots and other extraneous and stupid bullshit.
Then, some of the people in the area, regular people, get it in their heads that they might not want a factory nearby and file a suit. (they were just looking for a payoff)
Meanwhile, the Eagle's nest is yet to be determined and the EPA proposes an extra year of study because the dirty fucking hippies found an abandoned nest and moved it into a tree on the property while the County kicks the plans back again and the State wants them to do a study approved by an Environmental Engineering Firm on sheet flow and streams and bugs and ducks and stupid fukking hippies.
Know what the Company did?
They moved to China.
The area in NC lost around 5,000 jobs. China gained 10,000 jobs.
Know what happens in China when they want to build a Factory?
THEY BUILD A FUCKING FACTORY!!
Here? Forget it. Very difficult, very expensive.
I could go on and on but I won't.
Maybe someday, if you're nice, I'll explain how most factories in China worked at the time. And a lot of them still do. Maybe most.
My, don't we distort the language here? The O/P asks what I would have them do. I said bring jobs back to American soil and provide raises for the current employees (instead of cutting their hours and benefits. I'm sure Larry Ellison of Oracle could survive on a little less than his current $263,000 a day.*)
Where do I recommend force?
Don't dodge this easy question, either. Answer it or STFU.
*Highest-paid executives: Larry Ellison, Oracle, Elon Musk, Tesla Motors, Marissa Mayer, Yahoo!, John Donahoe, eBay, John Hammergren, McKesson, Glenn Murphy, Gap Inc., John Watson, Chevron Corp., Marc Benioff, Salesforce.com, John Stumpf, Wells Fargo,
Use their profits to raise salaries and benefits... THAT is FORCE
If the company CHOOSES To pay the CEO tons and not raise salaries of employees.. that is THEIR CHOICE.. just as it is your CHOICE not to work there or use the products or services of that company
You sir, are all about force
Now.. back under your rock
You have never left the underside of yours. The only person who has mentioned force is you.
And I hope you own Oracle stock because Larry Ellison is fleecing you to the tune of $263,000 a day for personal compensation....That's why we call you sheep.
Anecdotes are a dime a dozen. Stop blaming the EPA. Check out how the O&G industry has taken over the Delaware Valley in PA and NJ with thousands of natural gas wells drilled. No problems or interference. Lots of chemicals flowing into the Delaware River though.
We are not talking about some Cletus in North Carolina, we are talking about a nation of over 300,000,000 people.
Not sure what your point is here
The O&G industry has taken nothing over
private citizens are making wealth off of the resouces found on there lans
then comes the employee who makes close to 6 figures a year in the industry
what would you think we should do for a job?
growth?
a real economy?
In his little-boy way, he's trying to say that the E-VUL American Companies moved to China for the low wages.
Which is a load of bullshit.
They moved to China for the very reasons I noted -- Government interference and regulations and Unions.
Got nothing to do with the cost of Labor, which is negligible in today's world
Know why there's such a disparity between rich and poor?
Because there is the same, exact disparity between smart and stupid.
Yes, you people that are in here daily and bitching about how 'The Man' has kept you down on an hourly basis.....?
You're stupid.
Instead of bitching about how something is always someone else's fault, you could be spending your time doing something about your very own stupidity.
And no, I don't mean getting an education. If those people had any brains, they wouldn't be putting up with numbskulls like you every day, grading your stupid papers and bouncing crybaby losers on their knee.
If they had any real brains, they'd be out doing something real.
Which is what you crybabies should be doing.
And oh... I'm retired. In Florida. I paid my dues. I ain't rich, but I ain't crying either.
Sick of hearing excuses all day from the same fucking losers. DO something about it
In reality rhe reason Koch brothers are rich is because they are rich
I cannot make millions because I do not have billions to invest
Liberals think they should give that money to others
my simple question is then what?
Being wealthy is not a sin
staying wealthy takes work and welath to start with
its just the facts of life
According to your theory, Bill Gates shouldn't be rich. Neither should Warren Buffet, Larry Ellison, Larry Paige, Eric Schmidt and thousands of others. Even the Koch brothers took a sizable fortune and grew it by several orders of magnitude. Furthermore, in a couple generations, the descendents of all these people will be broke. That's the story of wealth: from rags to riches to rags in three generations.
In a free society... nobody should be forced to share any wealth or earning
I don't think it's easy to run a company. I do think that once you're ensconced in the executive suite it is too easy and too tempting to gather all the cream for yourself at the expense of the workers. It's far too easy to forget the talent that makes the product and far too easy for a certain political class to extoll the talent that makes the wage disparity what it sadly is today.Can you apply that ringing endorsement to the executive suite at Enron or WorldCom or Bears Stearns or AIG or Wells Fargo or Countrywide Mortgage? Seems those pirates floated down to East Hampton on golden parachutes. What hard work! What skills!There was no way that anyone should have been exempted in the first place
It is like you going to the grocery store and them forgetting to ring up your milk for the past 2 years... when they finally correct the problem and start charging you the same for milk that everyone else pays, it is one like you who would then complain how unfair it is and that it is a raise in your price when others are not getting raised
You act as if being a business leader or whatever is not 'actual hard work'.... well, anyone can bus a table, flip a burger, or scrub a urinal... the skills needed to do the upper level jobs are less prevalent, hence more in demand, and hence derive a greater compensation package... you want the 'easier work', gain the skills needed to put yourself in demand for one of those positions
And those (and one of them I worked for) committed CRIMES including FRAUD.. not just choosing to pay executives over employees....
Again.. you think it is easy to lead a company, or even a division of a company... you go right ahead and do it.... you should be successful and rich within the year.. we'll be waiting
Anecdotes are a dime a dozen. Stop blaming the EPA. Check out how the O&G industry has taken over the Delaware Valley in PA and NJ with thousands of natural gas wells drilled. No problems or interference. Lots of chemicals flowing into the Delaware River though.
We are not talking about some Cletus in North Carolina, we are talking about a nation of over 300,000,000 people.
Not sure what your point is here
The O&G industry has taken nothing over
private citizens are making wealth off of the resouces found on there lans
then comes the employee who makes close to 6 figures a year in the industry
what would you think we should do for a job?
growth?
a real economy?
In his little-boy way, he's trying to say that the E-VUL American Companies moved to China for the low wages.
Which is a load of bullshit.
They moved to China for the very reasons I noted -- Government interference and regulations and Unions.
Got nothing to do with the cost of Labor, which is negligible in today's world
Not sure what your point is here
The O&G industry has taken nothing over
private citizens are making wealth off of the resouces found on there lans
then comes the employee who makes close to 6 figures a year in the industry
what would you think we should do for a job?
growth?
a real economy?
In his little-boy way, he's trying to say that the E-VUL American Companies moved to China for the low wages.
Which is a load of bullshit.
They moved to China for the very reasons I noted -- Government interference and regulations and Unions.
Got nothing to do with the cost of Labor, which is negligible in today's world
Oh my! So now you are telling us the evil corporations didn't move because of low wages? Good, lets get a living wage and benefits going in America again!!
Always nice to watch a con hang himself.............
Prove it because it has been proven otherwise.In his little-boy way, he's trying to say that the E-VUL American Companies moved to China for the low wages.
Which is a load of bullshit.
They moved to China for the very reasons I noted -- Government interference and regulations and Unions.
Got nothing to do with the cost of Labor, which is negligible in today's world
Oh my! So now you are telling us the evil corporations didn't move because of low wages? Good, lets get a living wage and benefits going in America again!!
Always nice to watch a con hang himself.............
Raising a wage floor does not bring people out of poverty.. it does not get business going...
You think the person with 4 years experience making $9.50 wants to make the same as the no experience slacker who gets suddenly raised to $11 an hour?? You think the entry level manager making $12 wants to only earn a dollar more an hour than his employees? You think the electrician apprentice who was making $11 an hour wants to now make the same as some fucking urinal scrubber?? When you raise that apprentice to say $17 an hour do you think his senior now wants to make the same as him?? The ripples spread... and you end up with the same people making the bottom wages with just a different number associated.. and you have prices that have increased in not only cost to consumer, but cost between companies.. and that leads to WHAT???? Less buying power, less money to pay employees, etc.... your 'living wage' myth is laughable
Not sure what your point is here
The O&G industry has taken nothing over
private citizens are making wealth off of the resouces found on there lans
then comes the employee who makes close to 6 figures a year in the industry
what would you think we should do for a job?
growth?
a real economy?
In his little-boy way, he's trying to say that the E-VUL American Companies moved to China for the low wages.
Which is a load of bullshit.
They moved to China for the very reasons I noted -- Government interference and regulations and Unions.
Got nothing to do with the cost of Labor, which is negligible in today's world
Oh my! So now you are telling us the evil corporations didn't move because of low wages? Good, lets get a living wage and benefits going in America again!!
Always nice to watch a con hang himself.............
The Jeep Toledo South plant needs just 13.57 employee-hours to assemble a vehicle, a significant margin over the second-place Oshawa, Ontario, Chevy Impala/Monte Carlo plant (15.18 hours) and third-place Oshawa Pontiac Grand Prix/Buick LaCrosse plant (16.17 hours). Belvidere, Illinois, was fourth, needing 17.09 hours to assemble Dodge Caliber/Jeep Compass/Patriot, and GMs CAMI plant in Ontario was fifth. It needs 17.59 hours to assemble a Chevy Equinox, Pontiac Torrent, or Suzuki XL-7. Note that Nissan, which for several years had the most efficient plants in North America, and Honda, declined to participate in this years study, though Harbour extrapolated estimates from available information. Hyundai was added to the list for the first time.
When Harbour adds up all the man-hours it takes to build a car or truck, including stamping, assembly, engine and transmission manufacture, Hyundai was seventh of seven majors, at 35.1 hours per vehicle in North America. Ford Motor Company was sixth, at 33.88 hours, a 3.7-percent improvement over last year, Nissan was fifth, at an estimated 32.96 hours, or 8.8 percent more time than the previous year, and GM was fourth, at 32.29 hours, a 0.2-percent improvement. Honda was third, at 31.33 hours, a 2.3-percent improvement.
I don't think it's easy to run a company. I do think that once you're ensconced in the executive suite it is too easy and too tempting to gather all the cream for yourself at the expense of the workers. It's far too easy to forget the talent that makes the product and far too easy for a certain political class to extoll the talent that makes the wage disparity what it sadly is today.Can you apply that ringing endorsement to the executive suite at Enron or WorldCom or Bears Stearns or AIG or Wells Fargo or Countrywide Mortgage? Seems those pirates floated down to East Hampton on golden parachutes. What hard work! What skills!
And those (and one of them I worked for) committed CRIMES including FRAUD.. not just choosing to pay executives over employees....
Again.. you think it is easy to lead a company, or even a division of a company... you go right ahead and do it.... you should be successful and rich within the year.. we'll be waiting
