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Do you think that Bernie Sanders' form of socialism espouses is government ownership of the means of production and distribution. ? Or, could it be that all socialism is not the same? Why is it that you and so many others ignore the complexity of what socialism is or might be in different political contexts? Must you always just dumb it down for mass consumption? Either you do it deliberately or, more likely, it is you who has no idea what you are advocating.Socialism is government ownership of the means of production and distribution. Twentieth century experience with socialism was failure. Twenty first century experience has been no different ie Venezuela. I am amazed that so many who espouse socialism have no idea what they are espousing.
You are trying to make a distinction which really isn't valid.
Socialism does not require ownership.
Herman Rauschning wrote a book called "Hitler Speaks" in which he wrote up discussions he had with the man. In one such, Hitler is to have said "We don't need to take your cow so long as we own you. Who cares about whether we actually own the firm in name? So long as we have complete control over the people running it, that's good enough."
Now some debate the validity of the book, but regardless the point made is 100% accurate.
If government has control..... it doesn't matter if they own it in law, or not.
If I give you $10... it's your $10... you own it $10. But then I dictate who you can give it to, what you can buy, and what you can't buy, and when you can spend it, and when you can't......... you own it... legally it's yours. But practically speaking, I have control. I don't need to own that $10, as long as I control, regulate, mandate, and limit you.
No Sanders does not yet advocate open direct government ownership of companies.
He does advocate control over companies, from how much they pay, to what they spend, to their investments, to who they fire, and who they hire. That is as socialist as it gets.
Let's see if I have this right " "We don't need to take your cow so long as we own you" quote from your post. Are you seriously proposing slavery? If Sanders proposal is to enslave the producers I can't imagine anything more heinous. I abhor socialism but I hate slavery and anyone who advocates it. Your vision is more heinous than Orwells'. I cannot believe that anyone would advocate slavery. In your world every producer would necessarily be the property of the state and you believe that to be good for people.
I hope you and all those who would enslave their fellow man die a slow and horrendously painful death. I have nothing further to say to you slaver.
, regulations help in terms of the quality of life for workers
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100% stupid and illiterate!! Capitalism forces a business to offer the best products and jobs just to survive. Do you have the IQ to understand?
Do you think that Bernie Sanders' form of socialism espouses is government ownership of the means of production and distribution. ? Or, could it be that all socialism is not the same? Why is it that you and so many others ignore the complexity of what socialism is or might be in different political contexts? Must you always just dumb it down for mass consumption? Either you do it deliberately or, more likely, it is you who has no idea what you are advocating.Socialism is government ownership of the means of production and distribution. Twentieth century experience with socialism was failure. Twenty first century experience has been no different ie Venezuela. I am amazed that so many who espouse socialism have no idea what they are espousing.
You are trying to make a distinction which really isn't valid.
Socialism does not require ownership.
Herman Rauschning wrote a book called "Hitler Speaks" in which he wrote up discussions he had with the man. In one such, Hitler is to have said "We don't need to take your cow so long as we own you. Who cares about whether we actually own the firm in name? So long as we have complete control over the people running it, that's good enough."
Now some debate the validity of the book, but regardless the point made is 100% accurate.
If government has control..... it doesn't matter if they own it in law, or not.
If I give you $10... it's your $10... you own it $10. But then I dictate who you can give it to, what you can buy, and what you can't buy, and when you can spend it, and when you can't......... you own it... legally it's yours. But practically speaking, I have control. I don't need to own that $10, as long as I control, regulate, mandate, and limit you.
No Sanders does not yet advocate open direct government ownership of companies.
He does advocate control over companies, from how much they pay, to what they spend, to their investments, to who they fire, and who they hire. That is as socialist as it gets.
Let's see if I have this right " "We don't need to take your cow so long as we own you" quote from your post. Are you seriously proposing slavery? If Sanders proposal is to enslave the producers I can't imagine anything more heinous. I abhor socialism but I hate slavery and anyone who advocates it. Your vision is more heinous than Orwells'. I cannot believe that anyone would advocate slavery. In your world every producer would necessarily be the property of the state and you believe that to be good for people.
I hope you and all those who would enslave their fellow man die a slow and horrendously painful death. I have nothing further to say to you slaver.
Well again.....
If I give you $10... it's your $10... you own it $10. But then I dictate who you can give it to, what you can buy, and what you can't buy, and when you can spend it, and when you can't......... you own it... legally it's yours. But practically speaking, I have control. I don't need to own that $10, as long as I control, regulate, mandate, and limit you.
And it's not my vision dude... it's socialism. I'm against socialism, not for it.
Listen nasty ass. Do you want to have a discussion or do you just want to yell at people and insult them? Try to be civil. Your attitude sucks and conveys the sense that your just angry and not all that sure of yourself. Have some respect or shut the fuck up., regulations help in terms of the quality of life for workers
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100% stupid and illiterate!! Capitalism forces a business to offer the best products and jobs just to survive. Do you have the IQ to understand?
Now incase you missed it , I am not against capitalism and in fact recognize that it serves a purpose. I know that healthy competition is good. But I also know, and you should know, that some businesses will try to get away with whatever they can if they think that there will be no consequences. Look at what happened recently with Volkswagen. Ya think that, in the absence of regulations more car companies would not do the same thing? Hell, they would not have to....they could just sell poulting cars. Get real dude.
Do you think that Bernie Sanders' form of socialism espouses is government ownership of the means of production and distribution. ? Or, could it be that all socialism is not the same? Why is it that you and so many others ignore the complexity of what socialism is or might be in different political contexts? Must you always just dumb it down for mass consumption? Either you do it deliberately or, more likely, it is you who has no idea what you are advocating.Socialism is government ownership of the means of production and distribution. Twentieth century experience with socialism was failure. Twenty first century experience has been no different ie Venezuela. I am amazed that so many who espouse socialism have no idea what they are espousing.
You are trying to make a distinction which really isn't valid.
Socialism does not require ownership.
Herman Rauschning wrote a book called "Hitler Speaks" in which he wrote up discussions he had with the man. In one such, Hitler is to have said "We don't need to take your cow so long as we own you. Who cares about whether we actually own the firm in name? So long as we have complete control over the people running it, that's good enough."
Now some debate the validity of the book, but regardless the point made is 100% accurate.
If government has control..... it doesn't matter if they own it in law, or not.
If I give you $10... it's your $10... you own it $10. But then I dictate who you can give it to, what you can buy, and what you can't buy, and when you can spend it, and when you can't......... you own it... legally it's yours. But practically speaking, I have control. I don't need to own that $10, as long as I control, regulate, mandate, and limit you.
No Sanders does not yet advocate open direct government ownership of companies.
He does advocate control over companies, from how much they pay, to what they spend, to their investments, to who they fire, and who they hire. That is as socialist as it gets.
Let's see if I have this right " "We don't need to take your cow so long as we own you" quote from your post. Are you seriously proposing slavery? If Sanders proposal is to enslave the producers I can't imagine anything more heinous. I abhor socialism but I hate slavery and anyone who advocates it. Your vision is more heinous than Orwells'. I cannot believe that anyone would advocate slavery. In your world every producer would necessarily be the property of the state and you believe that to be good for people.
I hope you and all those who would enslave their fellow man die a slow and horrendously painful death. I have nothing further to say to you slaver.
Well again.....
If I give you $10... it's your $10... you own it $10. But then I dictate who you can give it to, what you can buy, and what you can't buy, and when you can spend it, and when you can't......... you own it... legally it's yours. But practically speaking, I have control. I don't need to own that $10, as long as I control, regulate, mandate, and limit you.
And it's not my vision dude... it's socialism. I'm against socialism, not for it.
I presume you enjoy driving on roads that destroy your tires and that you are your own crime and fire fighter.
, and that there is no daylight in between..
dear; why not end corporate welfare,
Do we have to rehash the fact that most MNCs DON'T even bother to produce the BEST products?
no slippery slope for that, dear?dear; why not end corporate welfare,
corporate welfare is better than personal welfare since its better to give people a job than a welfare check for not working, but conservatives and libertarians are against all forms of welfare.
Common! Throwing money at corporations is not going to create jobs! Jobs are created when PEOPLE....working people with limited disposable income have money in their pockets to spend on goods and services that they need now. If the demand is not there, the so called "job creators" are not going to crate jobs at all with there largesse , they are going to bank it off shore. Why can't you understand that?dear; why not end corporate welfare,
corporate welfare is better than personal welfare since its better to give people a job than a welfare check for not working, but conservatives and libertarians are against all forms of welfare.
Common! Throwing money at corporations is not going to create jobs!
Do we have to rehash the fact that most MNCs DON'T even bother to produce the BEST products?
if not then they are very very vulnerable to a competitor that does produce the best products if you have a capitalist system.
corporate welfare is better than personal welfare since its better to give people a job than a welfare check for not working, but conservatives and libertarians are against all forms of welfare.no slippery slope for that, dear?dear; why not end corporate welfare,
corporate welfare is better than personal welfare since its better to give people a job than a welfare check for not working, but conservatives and libertarians are against all forms of welfare.
dear; why not end corporate welfare,
corporate welfare is better than personal welfare since its better to give people a job than a welfare check for not working, but conservatives and libertarians are against all forms of welfare.
I asked for a list, not a fairy tale.
It would be nice of MNCs that started in the US would give Americans jobs rather than give those jobs to Indians and Chinese.
I asked for a list, not a fairy tale.
dear too stupid and liberal, If capitalism did not encourage the best products possible we would evolving toward the stone ago rather than toward the space age.
See why we have to be 100% positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
Still having to call people stupid ? Are you going to tell me that conservatives are opposed to corporate welfare?Common! Throwing money at corporations is not going to create jobs!
dear too stupid. I said conservatives and libertarians are opposed to welfare. Why
not reread for comprehension?????
