What was a reason for God to sacrifice His Son?

[Penelope]

In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Given a body in heaven and then manifested into a world where flesh beings dwell the Word became a sacrifice for All could come to be saved. That is why the sacrifice was made by God the Omni present creator of All of the only begotten Son. It has been allowed to coexist with carnal minds and that should be clearly evident by all of the opinions in this religious section.

Jesus was given a body in the womb of Mary.

Perhaps you can start a thread and learn who and what Mary is?

I know my bible, and I know who Mary is.

Really , so you must know the gospels were wrote after Pauls letters. Luke and ACT was wrote somewhere about 90 AD. Paul's letter were put in order by length.

Doesn't matter when the Gospels were written. They were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Really seems Paul had no idea about Jesus. Holy Spirit didn't come till the death of Jesus, explain this. PS: I take it you did not know this facts.

 

[onefour1]

Acts 26:14-15
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

Acts 22:7-8
7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

 

[BS Filter]

Jesus was given a body in the womb of Mary.

Perhaps you can start a thread and learn who and what Mary is?

I know my bible, and I know who Mary is.

Really , so you must know the gospels were wrote after Pauls letters. Luke and ACT was wrote somewhere about 90 AD. Paul's letter were put in order by length.

Doesn't matter when the Gospels were written. They were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Really seems Paul had no idea about Jesus. Holy Spirit didn't come till the death of Jesus, explain this. PS: I take it you did not know this facts.

Have you ever read the book of Acts?

 

[Taz]

So what happens to my soul if i don't follow jesus?

Were you made aware of him?

I’ve heard the bible stories, so what? What will happen to my soul?

Already told you. Ultimately, it will become part of whichever aspect of the universe your actions have suited it for.

Sez you?

Says millions of people, from several different faith systems.

I assume you are aware that you were asking for an opinion, so why are you surprised and outraged when that's what you got?

"Ultimately, it will become part of whichever aspect of the universe your actions have suited it for." What are the different parts of the universe I can end up in and why? And which religion says that?

 

[Taz]

The Pope just said that there is no hell.

The Catholic Church teaches there is a hell (just not Dante's version of it). Unfortunately, the outlet publishing this story isn't all that credible, especially in the way it covers the Pope. Possibly, it could be Pope Francis personal belief there is no hell because he seemed to be focused on a couple of scripture passages.

The first mentions that the chaff is burned away and only what is good survives. The second is where Jesus mentions not to fear those who can only kill the body, but fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell. The Pope's thinking seemed to be what others have said before him: While hell is eternal, once destroyed, the soul is gone forever. (i.e., no one spends an eternity in fire, they are completely destroyed.)

So god is going to roast me if I don't follow the church. Sheesh, next they'll want money.

No, you'll send yourself to Hell through your own choices. Don't try to fob responsibility for your life fuck-ups onto God.

Can you prove that hell actually exists?

 

[Taz]

It's a story about a Hells Angel, so what did I let out of the bag?

That you believe it wasn't fair, Taz.

No, my position would be that the whole thing is TOTALLY LUDICROUS. lol.

But just in case, I'll probably repent on my dying day too.

And yet you believe in fairness; common decency. Where ever did you get such a foolish idea?

The nothing fair or decent in the bible, it's a book full of hate, killings and threats.

It's a book about humanity. How do you talk about humanity WITHOUT talking about hatred and killing?

There's a difference between "threats" and "warnings". If I tell you that jaywalking on the freeway will get you hit by a car, am I threatening to hit you with a car myself, or am I simply warning you about the consequences of a bad choice?

We're not talking about humanity but about god, who kills and threatens.

If I don't do certain things, I'm threatened with roasting. To turn around and say that I have a free choice or not to roast is hardly a choice, it's another threat disguised as a choice.

 

[Meriweather]

Can you prove that hell actually exists?

Remember, religion is in the realm of philosophy and the spiritual--beyond the physical world and beyond scientific proofs. The Talmud teaches the very evil of all nations go to hell, while the righteous of all nations will be with God. Near death experiences were known throughout the ancient world and throughout history into modern times. While no one has brought back a piece of hell, those who write of their experiences of hell did change how they lived their lives from then on. These anecdotal experiences from ancient times most likely is the basis for the philosophies of heaven and hell.

 

[ding]

That you believe it wasn't fair, Taz.

No, my position would be that the whole thing is TOTALLY LUDICROUS. lol.

But just in case, I'll probably repent on my dying day too.

And yet you believe in fairness; common decency. Where ever did you get such a foolish idea?

The nothing fair or decent in the bible, it's a book full of hate, killings and threats.

It's a book about humanity. How do you talk about humanity WITHOUT talking about hatred and killing?

There's a difference between "threats" and "warnings". If I tell you that jaywalking on the freeway will get you hit by a car, am I threatening to hit you with a car myself, or am I simply warning you about the consequences of a bad choice?

We're not talking about humanity but about god, who kills and threatens.

If I don't do certain things, I'm threatened with roasting. To turn around and say that I have a free choice or not to roast is hardly a choice, it's another threat disguised as a choice.

You don't believe in God. So you don't believe you will be threatened with roasting, now do you?

You conflate the question of does God exist with who is God. You argue that since God can't be who Judaeo-Christianity reveals him to be then he can't possibly exist. That's disingenuous. They are two separate questions and logically cannot be evaluated out of sequence.

Furthermore, you reveal your intentions when you habitually misrepresent the beliefs of Judaeo-Christianity.

 

[ding]

Can you prove that hell actually exists?

Remember, religion is in the realm of philosophy and the spiritual--beyond the physical world and beyond scientific proofs. The Talmud teaches the very evil of all nations go to hell, while the righteous of all nations will be with God. Near death experiences were known throughout the ancient world and throughout history into modern times. While no one has brought back a piece of hell, those who write of their experiences of hell did change how they lived their lives from then on. These anecdotal experiences from ancient times most likely is the basis for the philosophies of heaven and hell.

Religion is the realm of teaching men how to live and how not to live.

 

[RodISHI]

God is a spirit doesn't seem to be getting through very good to those with thick heads buried in the dust.

 

[ding]

You don't know God's mind. No one does. You should leave the judging to him.

You keep telling me what god is going to do to me because I'm not a believer, so you're admitting that you don't actually know what god wants?

Since he is going to grant you YOUR wish, it is you doing it to yourself.

But again you are missing the point of it all. It is about living, not dying. You want to focus on the destination, when it is the journey that is important.

 

[ding]

No. It is a how to book. How to live life and how not to live life.

I can't help it if you read it to confirm your bias.

You haven't helped anyone so far. You're still way too confused about your own beliefs.

My obligation is satisfied when I present it. What others do with it is on them.

So you agree that you haven't helped anyone. Good for you.

I wouldn't know if I have or if I haven't.

And neither do you.

So you have no proof that you have. Got it.

Nor do I need any proof. My obligation is satisfied when I present it. What others do with it is on them.

 

[ding]

It is exactly what you want. 100%.

You'll have to prove that.

No. I don't. I'm happy enough for you to find out on your own.

As usual, you have no proof. Must be nice to live in a fantasy world.

The proof is everywhere. I've gone over it many times with you.

The proof for the god of the bible doesn't exist. You're right, we have gone over this many times.

Of course proof exists. Creation and everything which has happened since Creation is all the proof you need.

For starters all you need to do is look inside yourself.

"Now the position would be quite hopeless but for this. There is one thing, and only one, in the whole universe which we know more about than we could learn from external observation. That one thing is Man. We do not merely observe men, we are men. In this case we have, so to speak, inside information; we are in the know. And because of that, we know that men find themselves under a moral law, which they did not make, and cannot quite forget even when they try, and which they know they ought to obey. Notice the following point. Anyone studying Man from the outside as we study electricity or cabbages, not knowing our language and consequently not able to get any inside knowledge from us, but merely observing what we did, would never get the slightest evidence that we had this moral law. How could he? for his observations would only show what we did, and the moral law is about what we ought to do. In the same way, if there were anything above or behind the observed facts in the case of stones or the weather, we, by studying them from outside, could never hope to discover it.

The position of the question, then, is like this. We want to know whether the universe simply happens to be what it is for no reason or whether there is a power behind it that makes it what it is. Since that power, if it exists, would be not one of the observed facts but a reality which makes them, no mere observation of the facts can find it. There is only one case in which we can know whether there is anything more, namely our own case. And in that one case we find there is. Or put it the other way round. If there was a controlling power outside the universe, it could not show itself to us as one of the facts inside the universe—no more than the architect of a house could actually be a wall or staircase or fireplace in that house. The only way in which we could expect it to show itself would be inside ourselves as an influence or a command trying to get us to behave in a certain way. And that is just what we do find inside ourselves. Surely this ought to arouse our suspicions?" C.S. Lewis

 

[ding]

If you adhered to the words of Jesus you would be doing what I am doing.

No, I would not. Seeing the angry words and denigrations resulting from what you are doing, I want no part of it. Receiving Christ is my joy and my redemption.

If you received Christ you would be doing what Christ did.

If Jesus showed up and peeked into a church on any given Sunday he would be doing and saying exactly what I am doing and saying.

Jesus, a dedicated Jew, wouldn't be celebrating the torture and death of anyone every week, even symbolically, and he certainly would rather be crucified than to set aside the law of God and worship another human being or seek spiritual life by worshiping and eating the eucharist which is made by human hands has no life and can neither see hear speak or walk.

There is no redemption possible in defiantly doing the exact opposite of what the law teaches leads to eternal life.

These are not angry words.

These words are the truth.

1. Jesus would be testifying to the truth. That's why he was born into this world.
2. Jesus is fully human and fully God.
3. We do not celebrate the torture and death of Jesus Christ.
4. We celebrate the gift that Jesus Christ gave all of mankind.
5. We believe the presence of Christ is in the Eucharist.
6. No one is forcing you to accept or agree with our beliefs.
7. You clearly have an ax to grind with Catholics.

 

[ding]

Yes. I read in the paper about a Hell's Angel who was given a Catholic church burial after a gang slaying. So the reporter asked the priest, how can you give a murderer and overall evil guy a Catholic funeral? The priest replied "he may have repented a half-second before he died". No joke.

It seems to me that you believe in the concept of fairness; a universal code of decency so to speak.

You have let the cat out of the bag.

It's a story about a Hells Angel, so what did I let out of the bag?

That you believe it wasn't fair, Taz.

No, my position would be that the whole thing is TOTALLY LUDICROUS. lol.

But just in case, I'll probably repent on my dying day too.

And if you aren't sincere, it will be a meaningless waste of breath.

It is not so much that she thinks what she believes is right, as much as it is she believes she can't be wrong. It is a pride thing.

I suspect at death we will be allowed to keep our pride and question God on why we believe he was wrong. Then we will be forced to judge ourselves using the same harsh lens in which we judge others and then we will be stripped of our pride and will see how we really were.

BTW Taz = Mudda

 

[ding]

He should be believed because why? (The current pope will burn in hell, I'd lay odds on it)

Because in the Christian hierarchy it goes:

God
Jesus
The Pope
The Lesser pedophiles
Ordinary suckers

Often times ignorance is insolent. This is especially true for ignorance that thinks it knows.

Not to mention ignorance that feels compelled to prevent others from knowing.

I call it the conviction of invincible ignorance.

I call it bigoted hatred to the point of obsession. Have you ever noticed how every single time someone starts a thread about Christianity, ESPECIALLY one that might be thoughtful and meaningful, Taz practically breaks his neck hotfooting in there to fill it with metric fucktons of worthless, pointless two-line bullshit posts that serve no other purpose than to shout "I hate you I hate you how dare you be a Christian I hate you!" at everyone and guarantee that it's impossible for any conversation about anything other than what a completely and utterly ignorant shitstain he is to occur?

It's not that he has anything, however shallow and empty it is, to say. It's that he deliberately works to make sure NO ONE ever gets to say anything, EVER, as though he's terrified that someone might hear something that makes them think about Christianity as something other than a target to be reviled. He's not an atheist, or even an evangelical atheist. It's not about disbelieving in God, or about convincing others they shouldn't believe in God. His actual religion is pathological hatred of Christianity.

An enterprising psychology student could write a master's thesis on it.

Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion. Ron Paul said it best, "Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before putting their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage."

 

[Meriweather]

Religion is the realm of teaching men how to live and how not to live.

Partly, yes!
Even more more crucial is learning to know God and realizing He is in our midst, that He is with us.

 

[ding]

Perhaps you can start a thread and learn who and what Mary is?

I know my bible, and I know who Mary is.

Then you should know that Mary is a Spiritual host in the Kingdom of Heaven within that brings forth a child who is to rule the spiritual nations created within you too, right?

What he actually should know is that that is what YOU believe. What you should know is that not everyone shares your beliefs, or even needs to.

If YOU or "he" desires to know what I believe simply ask. If anyone desire to ignore what I may share here or anywhere else feel free to do so as its on you or anyone else when they chose to do that, not me.

Yeah, who said we desired to know it? I said that's what you're telling us, completely unasked. You asserted it as an unquestionable tenet of Christian belief, but it is, in fact, merely a belief specific to some groups of Christians and not others. And it is in no way obligatory for anyone to agree with you in order to be a Christian or to go to Heaven.

Growth filled communities should explore all sides of an issue to arrive at objective truth. Diversity of thought is critical to the process. Honest men and women can have honest differences of opinions without being disrespectful or fearful of expressing their thoughts.

I for one enjoy hearing the diverse beliefs of others.

 

[ding]

The Pope just said that there is no hell.

The Catholic Church teaches there is a hell (just not Dante's version of it). Unfortunately, the outlet publishing this story isn't all that credible, especially in the way it covers the Pope. Possibly, it could be Pope Francis personal belief there is no hell because he seemed to be focused on a couple of scripture passages.

The first mentions that the chaff is burned away and only what is good survives. The second is where Jesus mentions not to fear those who can only kill the body, but fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell. The Pope's thinking seemed to be what others have said before him: While hell is eternal, once destroyed, the soul is gone forever. (i.e., no one spends an eternity in fire, they are completely destroyed.)

So god is going to roast me if I don't follow the church. Sheesh, next they'll want money.

No, you'll send yourself to Hell through your own choices. Don't try to fob responsibility for your life fuck-ups onto God.

Can you prove that hell actually exists?

Sure. Go lock yourself in a totally dark room for three days with no contact with anyone but yourself.

Then come back and tell me that wasn't hell.

 

[RodISHI]

Religion is the realm of teaching men how to live and how not to live.

Partly, yes!
Even more more crucial is learning to know God and realizing He is in our midst, that He is with us.

Yes.

2 Corinthians 6:16
For we are the temple of the living God; even as God said, I will dwell in and with and among them and will walk in and with and among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Leviticus 26:12
And I will walk among you and will be your God, and you shall be my people.