What would you like the state to do?

[SAYIT]

I read your propaganda. It doesn't even attempt prove that Communist anarchist societies existed.

You're stupid then.

People who live in stupid glass houses...

 

[Marxist]

Ok so in a communist country where do citizens get their motivation to work hard? I've only seen people work hard because they believe they will get ahead, not because they make the same wages as everyone else and can't lose their jobs.

There was a poignant saying in the old "Worker's Paradise" ... "we pretend to work and the gov't pretends to pay us."

What, Russia? They were pretty much forced to, but again, we worked in the past and our entire existence before capitalism, why the hell do you think it has to exist?

Yes, people did have to work before capitalism, and their lives were nasty brutish and short.

Oh boy, here we go... The point is, people have always worked, made discoveries, cares for each other.. All before capitalism existed, and even when it existed, they still did this outside of the system, or in it. We need to realize the system of capitalism pushes the worst parts of humanity forward..

 

[Marxist]

Ok so in a communist country where do citizens get their motivation to work hard? I've only seen people work hard because they believe they will get ahead, not because they make the same wages as everyone else and can't lose their jobs.

There was a poignant saying in the old "Worker's Paradise" ... "we pretend to work and the gov't pretends to pay us."

What, Russia? They were pretty much forced to, but again, we worked in the past and our entire existence before capitalism, why the hell do you think it has to exist?

Yes, people did have to work before capitalism, and their lives were nasty brutish and short.

Peoples life's were brutish and short before liberalism, honey. LOL

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Ok so in a communist country where do citizens get their motivation to work hard? I've only seen people work hard because they believe they will get ahead, not because they make the same wages as everyone else and can't lose their jobs.

There was a poignant saying in the old "Worker's Paradise" ... "we pretend to work and the gov't pretends to pay us."

What, Russia? They were pretty much forced to, but again, we worked in the past and our entire existence before capitalism, why the hell do you think it has to exist?

Yes, people did have to work before capitalism, and their lives were nasty brutish and short.

Oh boy, here we go... The point is, people have always worked, made discoveries, cares for each other.. All before capitalism existed, and even when it existed, they still did this outside of the system, or in it. We need to realize the system of capitalism pushes the worst parts of humanity forward..

Capitalism is the best at making progress. Look at how much progress has been made in the last 100 years through capitalism and then the 1000 years before that how much progress wasn't made.

 

[bripat9643]

As a marxist you can't possibly be against the state. The state is the only institution available to you that can force people to work and provide for others in order to make things "fair". No state to enforce all of your free wants has no force and then I can tell you to fuck off. You caan't have both no state and yet state enforced theft to pay for all those things you want. It doesn't work that way.

Refer to my signature.

I read your propaganda. It doesn't even attempt prove that Communist anarchist societies existed.

You're stupid then.

Prove me wrong.

To date, the best-known examples of an anarchist communist society (i.e., established around the ideas as they exist today and achieving worldwide attention and knowledge in the historical canon), are the anarchist territories during the Spanish Revolution[27] and the Free Territory during the Russian Revolution. Through the efforts and influence of the Spanish Anarchists during the Spanish Revolution within the Spanish Civil War, starting in 1936 anarchist communism existed in most of Aragon, parts of the Levante and Andalusia, as well as in the stronghold of Anarchist Catalonia before being crushed by the combined forces of the regime that won the war, Hitler, Mussolini, Spanish Communist Partyrepression (backed by the USSR) as well as economic and armaments blockades from the capitalist countries and the Second Spanish Republic itself.[28] During the Russian Revolution, anarchists such as Nestor Makhno worked to create and defend—through the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine—anarchist communism in the Free Territoryof the Ukraine from 1919 before being conquered by the Bolsheviks in 1921.

Revolutionary Catalonia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

Revolutionary Catalonia (July 21, 1936 – 1939) was the part of Catalonia (a region in northeast Spain) controlled by the anarchist and socialist trade unions, parties, and militias during the Spanish Civil War. These included the Confederación Nacional del Trabajo (CNT, National Confederation of Labor) which was the dominant labor union at the time and the closely associated Federación Anarquista Ibérica (FAI, Iberian Anarchist Federation). The Unión General de Trabajadores (General Worker's Union), the POUM and the Unified Socialist Party of Catalonia (which included the Communist Party of Catalonia) were also involved. Although the Catalonian Generalitat was nominally in power, the trade unions were de facto in command of most of the economy and military forces.
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Note: if some group is "in control" of the economy, then it isn't anarchism. If it has a military, it isn't anarchism.

Your own source proves you wrong.

 

[Marxist]

Refer to my signature.

I read your propaganda. It doesn't even attempt prove that Communist anarchist societies existed.

You're stupid then.

Prove me wrong.

To date, the best-known examples of an anarchist communist society (i.e., established around the ideas as they exist today and achieving worldwide attention and knowledge in the historical canon), are the anarchist territories during the Spanish Revolution[27] and the Free Territory during the Russian Revolution. Through the efforts and influence of the Spanish Anarchists during the Spanish Revolution within the Spanish Civil War, starting in 1936 anarchist communism existed in most of Aragon, parts of the Levante and Andalusia, as well as in the stronghold of Anarchist Catalonia before being crushed by the combined forces of the regime that won the war, Hitler, Mussolini, Spanish Communist Partyrepression (backed by the USSR) as well as economic and armaments blockades from the capitalist countries and the Second Spanish Republic itself.[28] During the Russian Revolution, anarchists such as Nestor Makhno worked to create and defend—through the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine—anarchist communism in the Free Territoryof the Ukraine from 1919 before being conquered by the Bolsheviks in 1921.

Revolutionary Catalonia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

Revolutionary Catalonia (July 21, 1936 – 1939) was the part of Catalonia (a region in northeast Spain) controlled by the anarchist and socialist trade unions, parties, and militias during the Spanish Civil War. These included the Confederación Nacional del Trabajo (CNT, National Confederation of Labor) which was the dominant labor union at the time and the closely associated Federación Anarquista Ibérica (FAI, Iberian Anarchist Federation). The Unión General de Trabajadores (General Worker's Union), the POUM and the Unified Socialist Party of Catalonia (which included the Communist Party of Catalonia) were also involved. Although the Catalonian Generalitat was nominally in power, the trade unions were de facto in command of most of the economy and military forces.
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Note: if some group is "in control" of the economy, then it isn't anarchism. If it has a military, it isn't anarchism.

Your own source proves you wrong.

The trade unions consisted of support from the population, and were mainly focused on defense of the territory. and you clearly don't know what anarchism is.

 

[Moonglow]

No heaven for you!!

The thing is, I believe in giving money to the poor through charities. I think giving it to the government is foolish. Our government is inefficient and useless. It needs to be cut back a lot.

A whole lot or a little?

A lot. Also you make stupid assumptions about people who don't support large social programs for the poor. Many people would much rather have control over what they give. I know many people that make large donations to charity but they would not support it through the government because they believe in something called free choice.

The govt. just opens the hand more.........

It steals, in other words.

To all you anti-christian anarchist I guess it does...

 

[Marxist]

Ok so in a communist country where do citizens get their motivation to work hard? I've only seen people work hard because they believe they will get ahead, not because they make the same wages as everyone else and can't lose their jobs.

There was a poignant saying in the old "Worker's Paradise" ... "we pretend to work and the gov't pretends to pay us."

What, Russia? They were pretty much forced to, but again, we worked in the past and our entire existence before capitalism, why the hell do you think it has to exist?

Yes, people did have to work before capitalism, and their lives were nasty brutish and short.

Oh boy, here we go... The point is, people have always worked, made discoveries, cares for each other.. All before capitalism existed, and even when it existed, they still did this outside of the system, or in it. We need to realize the system of capitalism pushes the worst parts of humanity forward..

Capitalism is the best at making progress. Look at how much progress has been made in the last 100 years through capitalism and then the 1000 years before that how much progress wasn't made.

Progress has been made throughout human history, after the industrial revolution, progress is made faster due to that, but humans have always made progress, unfair comparison.

 

[bripat9643]

Ok so in a communist country where do citizens get their motivation to work hard? I've only seen people work hard because they believe they will get ahead, not because they make the same wages as everyone else and can't lose their jobs.

There was a poignant saying in the old "Worker's Paradise" ... "we pretend to work and the gov't pretends to pay us."

What, Russia? They were pretty much forced to, but again, we worked in the past and our entire existence before capitalism, why the hell do you think it has to exist?

Yes, people did have to work before capitalism, and their lives were nasty brutish and short.

Peoples life's were brutish and short before liberalism, honey. LOL

Hmmm, wrong. People lived a lot longer in 1929 than they did in 1229, or even 1829. Liberalism didn't extend our lives. Capitalism did. Capitalism ended famines and starvation. Capitalism ended most infectious diseases. Capitalism ended the back breaking labor that most people had to undertake to survive.

 

[bripat9643]

The thing is, I believe in giving money to the poor through charities. I think giving it to the government is foolish. Our government is inefficient and useless. It needs to be cut back a lot.

A whole lot or a little?

A lot. Also you make stupid assumptions about people who don't support large social programs for the poor. Many people would much rather have control over what they give. I know many people that make large donations to charity but they would not support it through the government because they believe in something called free choice.

The govt. just opens the hand more.........

It steals, in other words.

To all you anti-christian anarchist I guess it does...

What's "Christian" about taking money that doesn't belong to you?

 

[bripat9643]

There was a poignant saying in the old "Worker's Paradise" ... "we pretend to work and the gov't pretends to pay us."

What, Russia? They were pretty much forced to, but again, we worked in the past and our entire existence before capitalism, why the hell do you think it has to exist?

Yes, people did have to work before capitalism, and their lives were nasty brutish and short.

Oh boy, here we go... The point is, people have always worked, made discoveries, cares for each other.. All before capitalism existed, and even when it existed, they still did this outside of the system, or in it. We need to realize the system of capitalism pushes the worst parts of humanity forward..

Capitalism is the best at making progress. Look at how much progress has been made in the last 100 years through capitalism and then the 1000 years before that how much progress wasn't made.

Progress has been made throughout human history, after the industrial revolution, progress is made faster due to that, but humans have always made progress, unfair comparison.

Progress proceeded at a snails pace until the Industrial revolution. There is simply no comparison to the advances humans made during the industrial revolution compared to what it achieved prior to it.

 

[Marxist]

Ok so in a communist country where do citizens get their motivation to work hard? I've only seen people work hard because they believe they will get ahead, not because they make the same wages as everyone else and can't lose their jobs.

There was a poignant saying in the old "Worker's Paradise" ... "we pretend to work and the gov't pretends to pay us."

What, Russia? They were pretty much forced to, but again, we worked in the past and our entire existence before capitalism, why the hell do you think it has to exist?

Yes, people did have to work before capitalism, and their lives were nasty brutish and short.

Peoples life's were brutish and short before liberalism, honey. LOL

Hmmm, wrong. People lived a lot longer in 1929 than they did in 1229, or even 1829. Liberalism didn't extend our lives. Capitalism did. Capitalism ended famines and starvation. Capitalism ended most infectious diseases. Capitalism ended the back breaking labor that most people had to undertake to survive.

Utter bullshit. Before liberalism, child labor, all of that was seen as ok.. And socialized health, etc was viewed as a bad thing. Capitalism didn't extend anything. It ended famines? Tell me more about the millions who starve to death In third world capitalist countries, what the British did during their rampant imperialism. Ended infectious diseases? No, caring individuals ended infectious diseases, capitalism encourages people to sell the medicine for profit. Ended back breaking labor? Tell me more about African mines.

 

[Marxist]

What, Russia? They were pretty much forced to, but again, we worked in the past and our entire existence before capitalism, why the hell do you think it has to exist?

Yes, people did have to work before capitalism, and their lives were nasty brutish and short.

Oh boy, here we go... The point is, people have always worked, made discoveries, cares for each other.. All before capitalism existed, and even when it existed, they still did this outside of the system, or in it. We need to realize the system of capitalism pushes the worst parts of humanity forward..

Capitalism is the best at making progress. Look at how much progress has been made in the last 100 years through capitalism and then the 1000 years before that how much progress wasn't made.

Progress has been made throughout human history, after the industrial revolution, progress is made faster due to that, but humans have always made progress, unfair comparison.

Progress proceeded at a snails pace until the Industrial revolution. There is simply no comparison to the advances humans made during the industrial revolution compared to what it achieved prior to it.

It's an unfair comparison, the industrial revolution obviously allowed people to make advances faster, but humans have always made advances without capitalism influencing them.. That's my main point.

 

[Marxist]

A whole lot or a little?

A lot. Also you make stupid assumptions about people who don't support large social programs for the poor. Many people would much rather have control over what they give. I know many people that make large donations to charity but they would not support it through the government because they believe in something called free choice.

The govt. just opens the hand more.........

It steals, in other words.

To all you anti-christian anarchist I guess it does...

What's "Christian" about taking money that doesn't belong to you?

Jesus wasn't really a fan of the wealthy.. He wanted everyone fed, taken care of.. And wanted the wealthy to give away their wealth

 

[Marxist]

What, Russia? They were pretty much forced to, but again, we worked in the past and our entire existence before capitalism, why the hell do you think it has to exist?

Yes, people did have to work before capitalism, and their lives were nasty brutish and short.

Oh boy, here we go... The point is, people have always worked, made discoveries, cares for each other.. All before capitalism existed, and even when it existed, they still did this outside of the system, or in it. We need to realize the system of capitalism pushes the worst parts of humanity forward..

Capitalism is the best at making progress. Look at how much progress has been made in the last 100 years through capitalism and then the 1000 years before that how much progress wasn't made.

Progress has been made throughout human history, after the industrial revolution, progress is made faster due to that, but humans have always made progress, unfair comparison.

Progress proceeded at a snails pace until the Industrial revolution. There is simply no comparison to the advances humans made during the industrial revolution compared to what it achieved prior to it.

Also, learn to understand anarchy-syndicalism and the trade unions. Thanks.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

A lot. Also you make stupid assumptions about people who don't support large social programs for the poor. Many people would much rather have control over what they give. I know many people that make large donations to charity but they would not support it through the government because they believe in something called free choice.

The govt. just opens the hand more.........

It steals, in other words.

To all you anti-christian anarchist I guess it does...

What's "Christian" about taking money that doesn't belong to you?

Jesus wasn't really a fan of the wealthy.. He wanted everyone fed, taken care of.. And wanted the wealthy to give away their wealth

You're wrong about always making advances. The dark ages? For how long was progress stagnant? For thousands of years people used similar methods to do things and then suddenly things change every 10 years. It's capitalism and freedom. Socialism will kill progress.

 

[Marxist]

The govt. just opens the hand more.........

It steals, in other words.

To all you anti-christian anarchist I guess it does...

What's "Christian" about taking money that doesn't belong to you?

Jesus wasn't really a fan of the wealthy.. He wanted everyone fed, taken care of.. And wanted the wealthy to give away their wealth

You're wrong about always making advances. The dark ages? For how long was progress stagnant? For thousands of years people used similar methods to do things and then suddenly things change every 10 years. It's capitalism and freedom. Socialism will kill progress.

Yeah, everything was horrible until feudalism, if you lived back then. Every new system is an improvement, but that doesn't make it the best system.

 

[MaryL]

Bend over and cough, and actually listen to ALL constituents, and respond to ...oh, Jesus, who is kidding who. I would love nothing better than to march in my capitol building and kick the governor in his cajones. Senor Hikenlooper. The Indiana gutless wonder.

 

[SAYIT]

Also, learn to understand anarchy-syndicalism and the trade unions. Thanks.

Yanno, you can switch your self-description from Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Whateverist to Anarcho-Syndical-Trade-Unionist but scratch the surface and you are still a point-of-a-gun Wealth-Confiscation-Redistributionalist. New name, same old lousy dancer.

 

[Marxist]

Also, learn to understand anarchy-syndicalism and the trade unions. Thanks.

Yanno, you can switch your self-description from Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Whateverist to Anarcho-Syndical-Trade-Unionist but scratch the surface and you are still a point-of-a-gun Wealth-Confiscation-Redistributionalist. New name, same old lousy dancer.

Whatever you want to say man,