What's your stance on ISIS ?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Post it here ! Lots of people like to play both sides or not take a stance so they can bitch about whatever happens .

Me . I don't want troops on the front like . Air support ect.. Is fine . I'm tired of Mid East dumpster fires . If we go and "remove" ISIS (aka getting ground troops killed) we still have to babysit the area . And we all see what happens when u occupy those places .

Correct.

A conventional ground military campaign is doomed to failure, will in no way 'destroy' ISIS, and will result in only making them stronger.

The current policy is the correct one: continue the air campaign, back fighters indigenous to the Region, such as the Kurds, and work with other nations' intelligence and security agencies to minimize terrorist threats.

 

[The Great Goose]

I got nothing against ISIS, per se.

 

[Eaglewings]

So genocide against Muslims...

Americans are identifying Isis right now without a genocide.

The south is allowing people in without the kind of screening that is needed to identify Isis. They don't have the histories like my grandparents did when coming into Ellis Island.

Just like France knows who these people are , we have thousands on our radar in America as well.

We want the terrorists gone, yet are so concerned about being politically correct, or for anyone to invade our privacy.

Everyone had a shit fit when France went on lock down, look at how fast France is moving to find the source.

 

[paulitician]

I got nothing against ISIS, per se.

Hey, it has some legitimate gripes. Why the hell are we over there meddling and killing so much? It's not our lands. We have no business meddling in every nations' internal affairs. That's gotten completely out of control.

I mean, how many nations are we currently bombing & killing in? It's so many, we've lost count. We desperately need to rethink our endless War policy. Let's come home and secure our border.

 

[protectionist]

I have said, many times 'the best weapon against Islam is the Quran' . Have scholars prove it is not the words of God and Islam will gradually fade away, taking the terrorist extremists with it.

Exactly right. This is a tough row to how however. The idea that the Koran is the word of God has persisted among Muslims for 1400 years and it is the reason why, in all that time, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed. I still wouldn't be pessimistic though. There had not been computers for almost 1400 years either, yet now we have them. If the international jihad has a massive cyber war launched on them, in conjuction with the physical war that must be fought, it could over time, wipe out the Koran. It needs to be shown that following the Koran in it''s evil parts is > and once that happens, it could fade out especially with new generations rising up, see it as something stupid and passe', just as sets of encyclopedias, telephone booths, cigarettes, and the yellow pages have become uncool, if not non-existent.

 

[my2¢]

I don't believe were capable of separating good Muslims from bad ones and thus I don't want our troops sent over there to fight a politically correct war. I'd would approve action if it involves us taking complete control over the territory captured. I'd support its use to relocate Christian refugees and as a place to ship those who cross our borders illegally. But to do as we're doing in Afghanistan and Iraq and treat them as western Europe after WWII is nonsense.

 

[Dajjal]

I have said, many times 'the best weapon against Islam is the Quran' . Have scholars prove it is not the words of God and Islam will gradually fade away, taking the terrorist extremists with it.

Exactly right. This is a tough row to how however. The idea that the Koran is the word of God has persisted among Muslims for 1400 years and it is the reason why, in all that time, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed. I still wouldn't be pessimistic though. There had not been computers for almost 1400 years either, yet now we have them. If the international jihad has a massive cyber war launched on them, in conjuction with the physical war that must be fought, it could over time, wipe out the Koran. It needs to be shown that following the Koran in it''s evil parts is > and once that happens, it could fade out especially with new generations rising up, see it as something stupid and passe', just as sets of encyclopedias, telephone booths, cigarettes, and the yellow pages have become uncool, if not non-existent.

Two centuries ago Africa was the dark unknown continent and getting to the middle east was an epic journey.
Now we can travel across the world in a day with jet planes. So we have come into contact with people who's culture has been isolated from us for centuries. But now they are immigrating into the west in droves, in pursuit of a better life. But some of them bring hatred for us with them as baggage.
Our cultures have clashed but the west will win and the Islamic religion and the Quran will be exposed to more and more criticism. The middle eastern countries will not be able to keep supressing the Internet, and we will wear them down.

 

[Timmy]

Word .

We should bomb the area wh iPads . Give them Internet Porn, they will come around !

 

[Michelle420]

I think they are awful.

 

[protectionist]

Hey, it has some legitimate gripes. Why the hell are we over there meddling and killing so much? It's not our lands. We have no business meddling in every nations' internal affairs. That's gotten completely out of control.

I mean, how many nations are we currently bombing & killing in? It's so many, we've lost count. We desperately need to rethink our endless War policy. Let's come home and secure our border.

You're right about securing the border, but you seem to be lost on the rest. Do you not know that there is a WORLD WAR in process here ? Just because Obama has been AWOL on this, doesn't mean the other side is also. They are ramping up their fight and have already attacked and killed Americans in mass murders (Ex. 9-11, Beltway Sniper, Fort Hood, Boston Marathon, etc, etc) and they will continue. The prospect of future attacks is far worse than all of these combined, as ISIS has been engaged in the acquisition of NUCLEAR weapons, which due to our low defenses, leaves us very vulberable.

Just for one example, the last report I heard about US ports was that only 5% of shipping containers is being inspected. That wold give ISIS a 95% chance of success of getting nuclear bombs shipped here, and trucked into large US cities (which has been al Qaeda's plan for quite some time). Also, most US ports aren't even US owned.

 

[protectionist]

I got nothing against ISIS, per se.

You've got nothing against ISIS ? How could any human being alive in the world today have "nothing against ISIS" ? That is mind-boggling. Do you need to be shown videos of hundreds of children being beheaded ? Good grief, man, get a grip.

 

[Timmy]

Hey, it has some legitimate gripes. Why the hell are we over there meddling and killing so much? It's not our lands. We have no business meddling in every nations' internal affairs. That's gotten completely out of control.

I mean, how many nations are we currently bombing & killing in? It's so many, we've lost count. We desperately need to rethink our endless War policy. Let's come home and secure our border.

You're right about securing the border, but you seem to be lost on the rest. Do you not know that there is a WORLD WAR in process here ? Just because Obama has been AWOL on this, doesn't mean the other side is also. They are ramping up their fight and have already attacked and killed Americans in mass murders (Ex. 9-11, Beltway Sniper, Fort Hood, Boston Marathon, etc, etc) and they will continue. The prospect of future attacks is far worse than all of these combined, as ISIS has been engaged in the acquisition of NUCLEAR weapons, which due to our low defenses, leaves us very vulberable.

Just for one example, the last report I heard about US ports was that only 5% of shipping containers is being inspected. That wold give ISIS a 95% chance of success of getting nuclear bombs shipped here, and trucked into large US cities (which has been al Qaeda's plan for quite some time). Also, most US ports aren't even US owned.

Now ISIS has a nuke ?! You war Hawks have no shame .

 

[alanbmx123]

The only victory is complete victory, relentless pounding like the Germans, Italians, and Japanese received in WWII. And when the bombing is done the one that are left need to bury the bodies and live in shame for a while. Just like the German people did. Their defeat must be total and brutal from the hands of those that believe in freedom. I do not think any current leader has the balls of Truman, Ike, Churchill.... We lack the stomach, can you imagine Obama doing a DDay invasion. Sending 10's of thousands to their death for the good of the world.


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[Timmy]

Ww2 was different . There were clear armies and countries to battle . ISIS and islmoexremists aren't the same . There's no singular "hitler" to defeat .

 

[protectionist]

Now ISIS has a nuke ?! You war Hawks have no shame .

Depending on who is in place to sell something, ANYTHING can be bought, and that includes nuclear bombs. ISIS is raking in $2-4 Million a day, and Pakistan's nukes are being driven through ordinary streets in ordinary cargo vans. If ISIS doesn't already have its nukes, they can't be far from it, as they have actively been seeking them for over a year now.

If you watched Fox News instead of buying into the anti-Fox propaganda put out by the liberal omission media, you'd know all this.

 

[deltex1]

Post it here ! Lots of people like to play both sides or not take a stance so they can bitch about whatever happens .

Me . I don't want troops on the front like . Air support ect.. Is fine . I'm tired of Mid East dumpster fires . If we go and "remove" ISIS (aka getting ground troops killed) we still have to babysit the area . And we all see what happens when u occupy those places .

My stance would be right in the middle of their ass.

 

[protectionist]

Ww2 was different . There were clear armies and countries to battle . ISIS and islmoexremists aren't the same . There's no singular "hitler" to defeat .

FALSE!! Like the Nazis, ISIS has a singular leader > Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. But this doesn't matter. And it doesn't matter if this is just like WW2 or not. What matters is there is a very extensive intercontinental military force whose goal, like the Nazis, is is world domination, and who, like the Nazis, engage in mass genocide.

The international jihad is worldwide, this is World War III, and it has to be won by the US and its allies in the sane world.

 

[amrchaos]

I was just thinking

Don't we need human intel on the ground to identify who we are bombing?

I've said it before--let Putin lead since Assad is his buddy, provide Putin with the air fire power if he wants it.

This talk of regime change and democracy in the ME is the reason GWBush is a pariah and Cheney is considered insane.

Why haven't the media criticized Obama fr trying the same crap? Why not Hillary Clinton, she was Secretary of State when the Obama foreign policy went from leaving Iraq, to Democracy in Egypt to Regime change in Libya.

We are right back where we were in 2007. No, we are worst than we were in 2007! Obama embraced PNAC somewhere down the line and the global madness of unnecessary wars has returned!

 

[Timmy]

Great . Then declare war, activate the draft and install a war tax to pay for it .

 

[Timmy]

I was just thinking

Don't we need human intel on the ground to identify who we are bombing?

I've said it before--let Putin lead since Assad is his buddy, provide Putin with the air fire power if he wants it.

This talk of regime change and democracy in the ME is the reason GWBush is a pariah and Cheney is considered insane.

Why haven't the media criticized Obama fr trying the same crap? Why not Hillary Clinton, she was Secretary of State when the Obama foreign policy went from leaving Iraq, to Democracy in Egypt to Regime change in Libya.

We are right back where we were in 2007. No, we are worst than we were in 2007! Obama embraced PNAC somewhere down the line and the global madness of unnecessary wars has returned!

There's one really important stat that we ARE better at now . US troop deaths . Screw going back to the old days .