When Is It Racism...And When Is It Memorex?

[PoliticalChic]

Oh for f*cks sake...can you tie your own shoes without crying?
What a crock of nonsense. Why not just go ahead and nail yourself to a cross while your at it?

Perhaps you should listen to Martin Luther King, the real MLK...one rarely quoted...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”.... (Or like you - just blame everything on whitey)

"I come tonight to plead with you, to believe in yourself and believe you are somebody. Nobody else can do this for us, no document can do this for us, no emancipation proclamation can do this for us, ... no civil rights bill can do this for us, if the negro is to be free he must reach down deep into his own resources and sign with the pen and ink of self assertive manhood and declare his own emancipation proclamation!

No I cannot tie my own shoes without crying as long as you get to define the definition of both "shoes" and "to tie". To you, the simple scientific methodology of cause and effect is turned into "crying", "whining", "blaming" etc. You seek to take something LOGIC and make it debatable by turning the debate emotional. Whether I am crying or cannot tie my shoes (by your definition), I am not being illogical in suggesting that every cause produces an effect and that every cause is itself an effect of something else, in the temporal continuum of actions begetting reactions. You don't want to touch that logic....because you cannot, thus you obfuscate, deflect, use ad hominem, etc. Your response is not unpredictable. Rather, its rather sophomoric, if not juvenile (you see....I responded to your emotions with my emotional characterizations of your response. That is how you want this to play out....because emotions are void of logic).

To your point in the bold. Whites don't want that. In the abstract what MLK is suggesting is BLACK UNITY and blacks targeting and discriminating to lift up blacks. I tend to totally agree with him. The problem is.....however....white folks. As soon as black folks have Black commencements, black TV shows, black beauty pageants, Black this or black that.....white people cry foul and ask....."why can't whites have white only things". "Why can't white people discriminate in favor of white people if blacks can target blacks to help blacks". We have been there done that. You all fear BLACK UNITY and try to destroy it because, like MLK said, it will help to pull us up....which you do not really want because without someone inferior......how are you going to feel superior?

" The problem is.....however....white folks."

You're partly correct.
" The problem is.....however....white folks....who are Liberals."

1. After the Civil War, blacks embarked on the same journey as immigrant groups...and Irish...the most discriminated against group....took generations to get to where they are today.
But they had this advantage:

2. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter



3. Liberals destroyed large groups of blacks making that journey by changing the rules for them:

Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts….Activist judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.”
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a. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.




4. Blacks are just as capable of climbing the social ladder, but the 'help' by Liberals has restricted that climb.
See if you understand it based on this fact:

"...females are several times as numerous as males among blacks with high IQs. "
Witty and Jenkins, "Educational Achievement of a Group of Gifted Negro Children," Journal of Educational Psychology, vol. 25, p. 593.

They inherit the same genes, are raised in the same homes and neighborhoods......explanations rest on the culture, the excessively 'macho' roles of males associated with and emphasizing certain sociopathologies....'sympathetically' advanced by Liberals.


The smartest Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had it right when he suggested 'benign neglect.'

Liberalism vs Conservatism is white folks conundrum. Black folks conundrum has been white folks, be they liberal or conservative, Republicans or democrats. All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries. In fact, whites and white racist seem to always lean to the party that is most antithetical to the wishes, goals and desires of blacks. Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy.

Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems.....but Liberal Germany does not seem to have the same issues. You would think that, at least I would think, that the liberalism experiment would produce the same results.....regardless of where and what country or race it acts upon. However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be? I mean, for theories or proofs to hold up to scientific scrutiny, others have to be able to produce the same results given the same liberalism. Hell...Germany and many European countries are even more liberal and generous with handouts.

The truth is.....its not liberalism that is the problem for blacks.....its RACISM from whites, regardless their political ideology. You might say that it was liberalism in combination with racial oppression that kept blacks down.....well....liberalism happened to whites too, while racial oppression did not. In other words, both whites and blacks lived under liberalism and conservatism in the country.....so that should not account for any difference in our conditions. However, both whites and blacks did not live under racial oppression in this country......hence, liberal did not cause the difference, racial oppression did.

I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. Hence, I can tell you countless poor countries on this planet where people basically GET NO HELP....and guess what......they are still poor. Thus, I am lost to see how a platform of no help is supposed to be the superior choice for historically oppressed and or impoverished people.

Its kind of like medication. You have a chronic disease and start taking medication. Initially you ignore the side effects because you are so happy that it helps or controls your chronic condition. However, the longer your chronic condition is controlled, the more you take it for granted and the more you NOW start focusing on the side effects. You forget what life was like when you had NO HELP (no medication aka no policy) and now you just focus on the problems of side effects. Conservatism is simply the absence of medication for what ills society and it champions its platform by focusing on the side effects of the medication provided by liberals, while ignoring the chronic condition that the medication controlled.

1. "All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

2. "Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy."

There is no 'white supremacy' in this country.
The group with the highest income, highest educational achievement, lowest crime rate and least political power is not white.
And doesn't whine about 'white supremacy.'


3. "Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems..."
In this very thread, I did more than 'link' Liberalism to black problems....I documented it.


4. "However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be?"

Here's how.....central to Liberalism is the dogma that blacks cannot make it on their own, with all the nasty white (imaginary) racism....so, many blacks don't even try on their own.

Here's proof...see if you have any explanation for this:
Here is the amazing consequence of half a century of indoctrination:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance


5. I appreciate how you articulate your perspective...wrong though it is....sans vulgarity.

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

1. "Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them."

Of course that is not the case.
Asian achievement is based on exactly what blacks would be doing if Liberals didn't 'help' them to understand that they cannot succeed on their own.

As they once did.

1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.

2. "I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance."
You keep forgetting that you are posting with one who knows far more than you do.


3. "That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme?"
I said nothing about 'supreme.'
I stated the facts:
While they have few same race officials in power,
...Asians have the highest incomes of any race
...the lowest crime rates
....the highest educational achievement

...and they don't spend their time hand-wringing, 'woe is me,' as you do..




4. "So what accounts for the poverty-defying trajectory of the Fujianese kids?


First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


a. No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000.


b. ....Chinese kids had the longest commutes to high school. Most parents would be uneasy about an hour-and-a-half trip every day from the middle of Brooklyn, say, to Bronx Science. Kasinitz found that Latino parents, in particular, like to keep their high schoolers close to home.
Chinese parents weren’t deterred by distance—or by much else."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014



5. Stop being a coward, and give an explanation for this fact that you ignored in the post:

"Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh for f*cks sake...can you tie your own shoes without crying?
What a crock of nonsense. Why not just go ahead and nail yourself to a cross while your at it?

Perhaps you should listen to Martin Luther King, the real MLK...one rarely quoted...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”.... (Or like you - just blame everything on whitey)

"I come tonight to plead with you, to believe in yourself and believe you are somebody. Nobody else can do this for us, no document can do this for us, no emancipation proclamation can do this for us, ... no civil rights bill can do this for us, if the negro is to be free he must reach down deep into his own resources and sign with the pen and ink of self assertive manhood and declare his own emancipation proclamation!

No I cannot tie my own shoes without crying as long as you get to define the definition of both "shoes" and "to tie". To you, the simple scientific methodology of cause and effect is turned into "crying", "whining", "blaming" etc. You seek to take something LOGIC and make it debatable by turning the debate emotional. Whether I am crying or cannot tie my shoes (by your definition), I am not being illogical in suggesting that every cause produces an effect and that every cause is itself an effect of something else, in the temporal continuum of actions begetting reactions. You don't want to touch that logic....because you cannot, thus you obfuscate, deflect, use ad hominem, etc. Your response is not unpredictable. Rather, its rather sophomoric, if not juvenile (you see....I responded to your emotions with my emotional characterizations of your response. That is how you want this to play out....because emotions are void of logic).

To your point in the bold. Whites don't want that. In the abstract what MLK is suggesting is BLACK UNITY and blacks targeting and discriminating to lift up blacks. I tend to totally agree with him. The problem is.....however....white folks. As soon as black folks have Black commencements, black TV shows, black beauty pageants, Black this or black that.....white people cry foul and ask....."why can't whites have white only things". "Why can't white people discriminate in favor of white people if blacks can target blacks to help blacks". We have been there done that. You all fear BLACK UNITY and try to destroy it because, like MLK said, it will help to pull us up....which you do not really want because without someone inferior......how are you going to feel superior?

" The problem is.....however....white folks."

You're partly correct.
" The problem is.....however....white folks....who are Liberals."

1. After the Civil War, blacks embarked on the same journey as immigrant groups...and Irish...the most discriminated against group....took generations to get to where they are today.
But they had this advantage:

2. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter



3. Liberals destroyed large groups of blacks making that journey by changing the rules for them:

Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts….Activist judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.”
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a. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.




4. Blacks are just as capable of climbing the social ladder, but the 'help' by Liberals has restricted that climb.
See if you understand it based on this fact:

"...females are several times as numerous as males among blacks with high IQs. "
Witty and Jenkins, "Educational Achievement of a Group of Gifted Negro Children," Journal of Educational Psychology, vol. 25, p. 593.

They inherit the same genes, are raised in the same homes and neighborhoods......explanations rest on the culture, the excessively 'macho' roles of males associated with and emphasizing certain sociopathologies....'sympathetically' advanced by Liberals.


The smartest Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had it right when he suggested 'benign neglect.'

Liberalism vs Conservatism is white folks conundrum. Black folks conundrum has been white folks, be they liberal or conservative, Republicans or democrats. All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries. In fact, whites and white racist seem to always lean to the party that is most antithetical to the wishes, goals and desires of blacks. Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy.

Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems.....but Liberal Germany does not seem to have the same issues. You would think that, at least I would think, that the liberalism experiment would produce the same results.....regardless of where and what country or race it acts upon. However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be? I mean, for theories or proofs to hold up to scientific scrutiny, others have to be able to produce the same results given the same liberalism. Hell...Germany and many European countries are even more liberal and generous with handouts.

The truth is.....its not liberalism that is the problem for blacks.....its RACISM from whites, regardless their political ideology. You might say that it was liberalism in combination with racial oppression that kept blacks down.....well....liberalism happened to whites too, while racial oppression did not. In other words, both whites and blacks lived under liberalism and conservatism in the country.....so that should not account for any difference in our conditions. However, both whites and blacks did not live under racial oppression in this country......hence, liberal did not cause the difference, racial oppression did.

I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. Hence, I can tell you countless poor countries on this planet where people basically GET NO HELP....and guess what......they are still poor. Thus, I am lost to see how a platform of no help is supposed to be the superior choice for historically oppressed and or impoverished people.

Its kind of like medication. You have a chronic disease and start taking medication. Initially you ignore the side effects because you are so happy that it helps or controls your chronic condition. However, the longer your chronic condition is controlled, the more you take it for granted and the more you NOW start focusing on the side effects. You forget what life was like when you had NO HELP (no medication aka no policy) and now you just focus on the problems of side effects. Conservatism is simply the absence of medication for what ills society and it champions its platform by focusing on the side effects of the medication provided by liberals, while ignoring the chronic condition that the medication controlled.

1. "All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

2. "Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy."

There is no 'white supremacy' in this country.
The group with the highest income, highest educational achievement, lowest crime rate and least political power is not white.
And doesn't whine about 'white supremacy.'


3. "Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems..."
In this very thread, I did more than 'link' Liberalism to black problems....I documented it.


4. "However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be?"

Here's how.....central to Liberalism is the dogma that blacks cannot make it on their own, with all the nasty white (imaginary) racism....so, many blacks don't even try on their own.

Here's proof...see if you have any explanation for this:
Here is the amazing consequence of half a century of indoctrination:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance


5. I appreciate how you articulate your perspective...wrong though it is....sans vulgarity.

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

" Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks."

1. No one is superior to me.
Fact is, you can go blind from my pure awesomeness.

2. "...much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior."
I always recognize that fools know they have lost the argument when they start making up lies about me.

3. "its the same old same old for blacks."
Seems you don't realize that you're looking in the mirror.
You're posts are the tired old 'woe is me' variety.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh for f*cks sake...can you tie your own shoes without crying?
What a crock of nonsense. Why not just go ahead and nail yourself to a cross while your at it?

Perhaps you should listen to Martin Luther King, the real MLK...one rarely quoted...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”.... (Or like you - just blame everything on whitey)

"I come tonight to plead with you, to believe in yourself and believe you are somebody. Nobody else can do this for us, no document can do this for us, no emancipation proclamation can do this for us, ... no civil rights bill can do this for us, if the negro is to be free he must reach down deep into his own resources and sign with the pen and ink of self assertive manhood and declare his own emancipation proclamation!

No I cannot tie my own shoes without crying as long as you get to define the definition of both "shoes" and "to tie". To you, the simple scientific methodology of cause and effect is turned into "crying", "whining", "blaming" etc. You seek to take something LOGIC and make it debatable by turning the debate emotional. Whether I am crying or cannot tie my shoes (by your definition), I am not being illogical in suggesting that every cause produces an effect and that every cause is itself an effect of something else, in the temporal continuum of actions begetting reactions. You don't want to touch that logic....because you cannot, thus you obfuscate, deflect, use ad hominem, etc. Your response is not unpredictable. Rather, its rather sophomoric, if not juvenile (you see....I responded to your emotions with my emotional characterizations of your response. That is how you want this to play out....because emotions are void of logic).

To your point in the bold. Whites don't want that. In the abstract what MLK is suggesting is BLACK UNITY and blacks targeting and discriminating to lift up blacks. I tend to totally agree with him. The problem is.....however....white folks. As soon as black folks have Black commencements, black TV shows, black beauty pageants, Black this or black that.....white people cry foul and ask....."why can't whites have white only things". "Why can't white people discriminate in favor of white people if blacks can target blacks to help blacks". We have been there done that. You all fear BLACK UNITY and try to destroy it because, like MLK said, it will help to pull us up....which you do not really want because without someone inferior......how are you going to feel superior?

" The problem is.....however....white folks."

You're partly correct.
" The problem is.....however....white folks....who are Liberals."

1. After the Civil War, blacks embarked on the same journey as immigrant groups...and Irish...the most discriminated against group....took generations to get to where they are today.
But they had this advantage:

2. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter



3. Liberals destroyed large groups of blacks making that journey by changing the rules for them:

Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts….Activist judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.”
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a. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.




4. Blacks are just as capable of climbing the social ladder, but the 'help' by Liberals has restricted that climb.
See if you understand it based on this fact:

"...females are several times as numerous as males among blacks with high IQs. "
Witty and Jenkins, "Educational Achievement of a Group of Gifted Negro Children," Journal of Educational Psychology, vol. 25, p. 593.

They inherit the same genes, are raised in the same homes and neighborhoods......explanations rest on the culture, the excessively 'macho' roles of males associated with and emphasizing certain sociopathologies....'sympathetically' advanced by Liberals.


The smartest Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had it right when he suggested 'benign neglect.'

Liberalism vs Conservatism is white folks conundrum. Black folks conundrum has been white folks, be they liberal or conservative, Republicans or democrats. All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries. In fact, whites and white racist seem to always lean to the party that is most antithetical to the wishes, goals and desires of blacks. Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy.

Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems.....but Liberal Germany does not seem to have the same issues. You would think that, at least I would think, that the liberalism experiment would produce the same results.....regardless of where and what country or race it acts upon. However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be? I mean, for theories or proofs to hold up to scientific scrutiny, others have to be able to produce the same results given the same liberalism. Hell...Germany and many European countries are even more liberal and generous with handouts.

The truth is.....its not liberalism that is the problem for blacks.....its RACISM from whites, regardless their political ideology. You might say that it was liberalism in combination with racial oppression that kept blacks down.....well....liberalism happened to whites too, while racial oppression did not. In other words, both whites and blacks lived under liberalism and conservatism in the country.....so that should not account for any difference in our conditions. However, both whites and blacks did not live under racial oppression in this country......hence, liberal did not cause the difference, racial oppression did.

I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. Hence, I can tell you countless poor countries on this planet where people basically GET NO HELP....and guess what......they are still poor. Thus, I am lost to see how a platform of no help is supposed to be the superior choice for historically oppressed and or impoverished people.

Its kind of like medication. You have a chronic disease and start taking medication. Initially you ignore the side effects because you are so happy that it helps or controls your chronic condition. However, the longer your chronic condition is controlled, the more you take it for granted and the more you NOW start focusing on the side effects. You forget what life was like when you had NO HELP (no medication aka no policy) and now you just focus on the problems of side effects. Conservatism is simply the absence of medication for what ills society and it champions its platform by focusing on the side effects of the medication provided by liberals, while ignoring the chronic condition that the medication controlled.

1. "All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

2. "Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy."

There is no 'white supremacy' in this country.
The group with the highest income, highest educational achievement, lowest crime rate and least political power is not white.
And doesn't whine about 'white supremacy.'


3. "Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems..."
In this very thread, I did more than 'link' Liberalism to black problems....I documented it.


4. "However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be?"

Here's how.....central to Liberalism is the dogma that blacks cannot make it on their own, with all the nasty white (imaginary) racism....so, many blacks don't even try on their own.

Here's proof...see if you have any explanation for this:
Here is the amazing consequence of half a century of indoctrination:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance


5. I appreciate how you articulate your perspective...wrong though it is....sans vulgarity.

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

"You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation)..."


Well then, explain why blacks gave up education as the vehicle?

This:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance

 

[Liberty777]

How interesting a white racist trying to tell us when thing are racist according to them. That's like the rapist telling us when rape is consensual sex.

Racism no longer exists has been said here so:

Prove when racism ended and its effects were allayed. Show, with data and peer-reviewed studies supporting your argument, when the effects of the hundreds of years of anti-Black racism from chattel slavery through Old Jim Crow leveled off. Show when the wealth expropriated during that oppression was repaid to those it was expropriated from and through.

Your not even black, liar.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh for f*cks sake...can you tie your own shoes without crying?
What a crock of nonsense. Why not just go ahead and nail yourself to a cross while your at it?

Perhaps you should listen to Martin Luther King, the real MLK...one rarely quoted...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”.... (Or like you - just blame everything on whitey)

"I come tonight to plead with you, to believe in yourself and believe you are somebody. Nobody else can do this for us, no document can do this for us, no emancipation proclamation can do this for us, ... no civil rights bill can do this for us, if the negro is to be free he must reach down deep into his own resources and sign with the pen and ink of self assertive manhood and declare his own emancipation proclamation!

No I cannot tie my own shoes without crying as long as you get to define the definition of both "shoes" and "to tie". To you, the simple scientific methodology of cause and effect is turned into "crying", "whining", "blaming" etc. You seek to take something LOGIC and make it debatable by turning the debate emotional. Whether I am crying or cannot tie my shoes (by your definition), I am not being illogical in suggesting that every cause produces an effect and that every cause is itself an effect of something else, in the temporal continuum of actions begetting reactions. You don't want to touch that logic....because you cannot, thus you obfuscate, deflect, use ad hominem, etc. Your response is not unpredictable. Rather, its rather sophomoric, if not juvenile (you see....I responded to your emotions with my emotional characterizations of your response. That is how you want this to play out....because emotions are void of logic).

To your point in the bold. Whites don't want that. In the abstract what MLK is suggesting is BLACK UNITY and blacks targeting and discriminating to lift up blacks. I tend to totally agree with him. The problem is.....however....white folks. As soon as black folks have Black commencements, black TV shows, black beauty pageants, Black this or black that.....white people cry foul and ask....."why can't whites have white only things". "Why can't white people discriminate in favor of white people if blacks can target blacks to help blacks". We have been there done that. You all fear BLACK UNITY and try to destroy it because, like MLK said, it will help to pull us up....which you do not really want because without someone inferior......how are you going to feel superior?

" The problem is.....however....white folks."

You're partly correct.
" The problem is.....however....white folks....who are Liberals."

1. After the Civil War, blacks embarked on the same journey as immigrant groups...and Irish...the most discriminated against group....took generations to get to where they are today.
But they had this advantage:

2. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter



3. Liberals destroyed large groups of blacks making that journey by changing the rules for them:

Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts….Activist judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.”
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a. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.




4. Blacks are just as capable of climbing the social ladder, but the 'help' by Liberals has restricted that climb.
See if you understand it based on this fact:

"...females are several times as numerous as males among blacks with high IQs. "
Witty and Jenkins, "Educational Achievement of a Group of Gifted Negro Children," Journal of Educational Psychology, vol. 25, p. 593.

They inherit the same genes, are raised in the same homes and neighborhoods......explanations rest on the culture, the excessively 'macho' roles of males associated with and emphasizing certain sociopathologies....'sympathetically' advanced by Liberals.


The smartest Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had it right when he suggested 'benign neglect.'

Liberalism vs Conservatism is white folks conundrum. Black folks conundrum has been white folks, be they liberal or conservative, Republicans or democrats. All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries. In fact, whites and white racist seem to always lean to the party that is most antithetical to the wishes, goals and desires of blacks. Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy.

Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems.....but Liberal Germany does not seem to have the same issues. You would think that, at least I would think, that the liberalism experiment would produce the same results.....regardless of where and what country or race it acts upon. However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be? I mean, for theories or proofs to hold up to scientific scrutiny, others have to be able to produce the same results given the same liberalism. Hell...Germany and many European countries are even more liberal and generous with handouts.

The truth is.....its not liberalism that is the problem for blacks.....its RACISM from whites, regardless their political ideology. You might say that it was liberalism in combination with racial oppression that kept blacks down.....well....liberalism happened to whites too, while racial oppression did not. In other words, both whites and blacks lived under liberalism and conservatism in the country.....so that should not account for any difference in our conditions. However, both whites and blacks did not live under racial oppression in this country......hence, liberal did not cause the difference, racial oppression did.

I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. Hence, I can tell you countless poor countries on this planet where people basically GET NO HELP....and guess what......they are still poor. Thus, I am lost to see how a platform of no help is supposed to be the superior choice for historically oppressed and or impoverished people.

Its kind of like medication. You have a chronic disease and start taking medication. Initially you ignore the side effects because you are so happy that it helps or controls your chronic condition. However, the longer your chronic condition is controlled, the more you take it for granted and the more you NOW start focusing on the side effects. You forget what life was like when you had NO HELP (no medication aka no policy) and now you just focus on the problems of side effects. Conservatism is simply the absence of medication for what ills society and it champions its platform by focusing on the side effects of the medication provided by liberals, while ignoring the chronic condition that the medication controlled.

1. "All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

2. "Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy."

There is no 'white supremacy' in this country.
The group with the highest income, highest educational achievement, lowest crime rate and least political power is not white.
And doesn't whine about 'white supremacy.'


3. "Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems..."
In this very thread, I did more than 'link' Liberalism to black problems....I documented it.


4. "However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be?"

Here's how.....central to Liberalism is the dogma that blacks cannot make it on their own, with all the nasty white (imaginary) racism....so, many blacks don't even try on their own.

Here's proof...see if you have any explanation for this:
Here is the amazing consequence of half a century of indoctrination:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance


5. I appreciate how you articulate your perspective...wrong though it is....sans vulgarity.

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

" Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. "

You don't know anything other than blame whitey, huh?

“After controlling for single motherhood, the difference between black and white crime rates disappeared.”
Progressive Policy Institute, 1990, quoted by David Blankenhorn, “Fatherless America: Confronting Our Most Urgent Social Problem,” New York, Harper Perennial, 1996, p.31

 

[ClosedCaption]

....when is it simply a cry for attention?

...or some sort of 'me-too'ism?

...or 'I'm a victim/hero'ism?




1. The term 'racist' is both ubiquitous and harmful to the one so labeled, that a firm definition should be applied.

Here it is: it isn't 'racism' unless there is some documented physical or monetary harm done.
Being offended is not racism, as the ability...and desire...to claim offense is without end. It has become an attention-getting device.

The real America is not a place where we enable criminalizing opinions or thought crimes. That the meaning of the first amendment.
If your feelings are hurt....toughen up, move on.


a. In our society, the charge of 'racist' is as common as it is damaging....in fact, that's why it is so common.
In fact, it should be a crime if one claims 'racism' and can't prove physical or monetary harm.




2. ‘They Don’t Like Black People’: Leslie Jones Blasts Ritz-Carlton for ‘Racist’ Treatment, but Offers No Evidence
Comedian and Saturday Night Live cast member Leslie Jones took to Twitter on Monday night to excoriate Ritz-Carlton hotels for ‘racist’ treatment she received while staying there this weekend.

Allegations of racism are serious business, and for such a big name hotel as the Ritz Carlton-Los Angeles, certainly means they’re in for trouble. But aside from side-swiping them on Twitter, Jones hasn’t really followed up on her accusations...."

‘They Don’t Like Black People’: Leslie Jones Blasts Ritz-Carlton for ‘Racist’ Treatment, but Offers No Evidence





Leslie: Put your Dinaro where you put your dinner!!!

Hey, another thread where whites don't really know what racism is. That's original

Political chic says she's Asian. But that doesn't change the fact that you are right.

The term 'racist' is both ubiquitous and harmful to the one so labeled, that a firm definition should be applied.

Here it is: it isn't 'racism' unless there is some documented physical or monetary harm done.
Being offended is not racism, as the ability...and desire...to claim offense is without end. It has become an attention-getting device.

The real America is not a place where we enable criminalizing opinions or thought crimes. That the meaning of the first amendment.
If your feelings are hurt....toughen up, move on.

This is what you do. You claim that a firm definition should be applied and then you go on about what racism is NOT. Because to you racism doesn't exist and if it does you only see it being applied against whites.

 

[AKIP]

No I cannot tie my own shoes without crying as long as you get to define the definition of both "shoes" and "to tie". To you, the simple scientific methodology of cause and effect is turned into "crying", "whining", "blaming" etc. You seek to take something LOGIC and make it debatable by turning the debate emotional. Whether I am crying or cannot tie my shoes (by your definition), I am not being illogical in suggesting that every cause produces an effect and that every cause is itself an effect of something else, in the temporal continuum of actions begetting reactions. You don't want to touch that logic....because you cannot, thus you obfuscate, deflect, use ad hominem, etc. Your response is not unpredictable. Rather, its rather sophomoric, if not juvenile (you see....I responded to your emotions with my emotional characterizations of your response. That is how you want this to play out....because emotions are void of logic).

To your point in the bold. Whites don't want that. In the abstract what MLK is suggesting is BLACK UNITY and blacks targeting and discriminating to lift up blacks. I tend to totally agree with him. The problem is.....however....white folks. As soon as black folks have Black commencements, black TV shows, black beauty pageants, Black this or black that.....white people cry foul and ask....."why can't whites have white only things". "Why can't white people discriminate in favor of white people if blacks can target blacks to help blacks". We have been there done that. You all fear BLACK UNITY and try to destroy it because, like MLK said, it will help to pull us up....which you do not really want because without someone inferior......how are you going to feel superior?

" The problem is.....however....white folks."

You're partly correct.
" The problem is.....however....white folks....who are Liberals."

1. After the Civil War, blacks embarked on the same journey as immigrant groups...and Irish...the most discriminated against group....took generations to get to where they are today.
But they had this advantage:

2. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter



3. Liberals destroyed large groups of blacks making that journey by changing the rules for them:

Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts….Activist judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.”
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a. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.




4. Blacks are just as capable of climbing the social ladder, but the 'help' by Liberals has restricted that climb.
See if you understand it based on this fact:

"...females are several times as numerous as males among blacks with high IQs. "
Witty and Jenkins, "Educational Achievement of a Group of Gifted Negro Children," Journal of Educational Psychology, vol. 25, p. 593.

They inherit the same genes, are raised in the same homes and neighborhoods......explanations rest on the culture, the excessively 'macho' roles of males associated with and emphasizing certain sociopathologies....'sympathetically' advanced by Liberals.


The smartest Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had it right when he suggested 'benign neglect.'

Liberalism vs Conservatism is white folks conundrum. Black folks conundrum has been white folks, be they liberal or conservative, Republicans or democrats. All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries. In fact, whites and white racist seem to always lean to the party that is most antithetical to the wishes, goals and desires of blacks. Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy.

Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems.....but Liberal Germany does not seem to have the same issues. You would think that, at least I would think, that the liberalism experiment would produce the same results.....regardless of where and what country or race it acts upon. However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be? I mean, for theories or proofs to hold up to scientific scrutiny, others have to be able to produce the same results given the same liberalism. Hell...Germany and many European countries are even more liberal and generous with handouts.

The truth is.....its not liberalism that is the problem for blacks.....its RACISM from whites, regardless their political ideology. You might say that it was liberalism in combination with racial oppression that kept blacks down.....well....liberalism happened to whites too, while racial oppression did not. In other words, both whites and blacks lived under liberalism and conservatism in the country.....so that should not account for any difference in our conditions. However, both whites and blacks did not live under racial oppression in this country......hence, liberal did not cause the difference, racial oppression did.

I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. Hence, I can tell you countless poor countries on this planet where people basically GET NO HELP....and guess what......they are still poor. Thus, I am lost to see how a platform of no help is supposed to be the superior choice for historically oppressed and or impoverished people.

Its kind of like medication. You have a chronic disease and start taking medication. Initially you ignore the side effects because you are so happy that it helps or controls your chronic condition. However, the longer your chronic condition is controlled, the more you take it for granted and the more you NOW start focusing on the side effects. You forget what life was like when you had NO HELP (no medication aka no policy) and now you just focus on the problems of side effects. Conservatism is simply the absence of medication for what ills society and it champions its platform by focusing on the side effects of the medication provided by liberals, while ignoring the chronic condition that the medication controlled.

1. "All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

2. "Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy."

There is no 'white supremacy' in this country.
The group with the highest income, highest educational achievement, lowest crime rate and least political power is not white.
And doesn't whine about 'white supremacy.'


3. "Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems..."
In this very thread, I did more than 'link' Liberalism to black problems....I documented it.


4. "However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be?"

Here's how.....central to Liberalism is the dogma that blacks cannot make it on their own, with all the nasty white (imaginary) racism....so, many blacks don't even try on their own.

Here's proof...see if you have any explanation for this:
Here is the amazing consequence of half a century of indoctrination:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance


5. I appreciate how you articulate your perspective...wrong though it is....sans vulgarity.

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

1. "Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them."

Of course that is not the case.
Asian achievement is based on exactly what blacks would be doing if Liberals didn't 'help' them to understand that they cannot succeed on their own.

As they once did.

1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.

2. "I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance."
You keep forgetting that you are posting with one who knows far more than you do.


3. "That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme?"
I said nothing about 'supreme.'
I stated the facts:
While they have few same race officials in power,
...Asians have the highest incomes of any race
...the lowest crime rates
....the highest educational achievement

...and they don't spend their time hand-wringing, 'woe is me,' as you do..




4. "So what accounts for the poverty-defying trajectory of the Fujianese kids?


First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


a. No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000.


b. ....Chinese kids had the longest commutes to high school. Most parents would be uneasy about an hour-and-a-half trip every day from the middle of Brooklyn, say, to Bronx Science. Kasinitz found that Latino parents, in particular, like to keep their high schoolers close to home.
Chinese parents weren’t deterred by distance—or by much else."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014



5. Stop being a coward, and give an explanation for this fact that you ignored in the post:

"Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Asian achievement is based upon the same thing that African Immigrant achievement is based, its an immigrant phenomenon. Only the most driven and most educated Asians come to this nation, mostly only H1- b visas( hence, the best and brightest should do better than the average black or white American). Contrast that demographic with Asians who came in as refugees....like the Hmong, whose poverty rate in the US rivals that of blacks. To be fair, you would contrast African Immigrants with Asian immigrants with recent European immigrants, if such data is available. That is an apple to apple comparison. You do not compare the condition of a group where the majority of the demographic is 1st or second generation Americans with Americans, like African Americans, that are at least10th generation Americans on average.

I don't doubt that you know more than me.....nor do I care. What I KNOW however, is that I know more about THIS than you do, notwithstanding your presumed superior knowledge base. Jack of all trades....master at none!

In regards to books.....I don't think books in the home is in anyway the causation of success. I have a niece who sporadically works and is sporadically on public assistance, with no kids, who spends nearly all her monies on yarn and books. Again, its a false correlation to create the fallacy of causation. Its like saying that getting married creates higher incomes and education, as if two unemployed lazy people without an education getting married will trigger an education and higher income. Rather, people with higher levels of education and income have a greater propensity to get married than those with lower education and incomes. Ergo, more successful people have books in the home does not mean having books in the home makes one more successful. Most bank robbers wear hats.....therefore wearing hats lead to bank robbery? Most successful people have books....so lots of books leads to success? LOL

 

[PoliticalChic]

" The problem is.....however....white folks."

You're partly correct.
" The problem is.....however....white folks....who are Liberals."

1. After the Civil War, blacks embarked on the same journey as immigrant groups...and Irish...the most discriminated against group....took generations to get to where they are today.
But they had this advantage:

2. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter



3. Liberals destroyed large groups of blacks making that journey by changing the rules for them:

Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts….Activist judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.”
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a. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.




4. Blacks are just as capable of climbing the social ladder, but the 'help' by Liberals has restricted that climb.
See if you understand it based on this fact:

"...females are several times as numerous as males among blacks with high IQs. "
Witty and Jenkins, "Educational Achievement of a Group of Gifted Negro Children," Journal of Educational Psychology, vol. 25, p. 593.

They inherit the same genes, are raised in the same homes and neighborhoods......explanations rest on the culture, the excessively 'macho' roles of males associated with and emphasizing certain sociopathologies....'sympathetically' advanced by Liberals.


The smartest Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had it right when he suggested 'benign neglect.'

Liberalism vs Conservatism is white folks conundrum. Black folks conundrum has been white folks, be they liberal or conservative, Republicans or democrats. All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries. In fact, whites and white racist seem to always lean to the party that is most antithetical to the wishes, goals and desires of blacks. Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy.

Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems.....but Liberal Germany does not seem to have the same issues. You would think that, at least I would think, that the liberalism experiment would produce the same results.....regardless of where and what country or race it acts upon. However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be? I mean, for theories or proofs to hold up to scientific scrutiny, others have to be able to produce the same results given the same liberalism. Hell...Germany and many European countries are even more liberal and generous with handouts.

The truth is.....its not liberalism that is the problem for blacks.....its RACISM from whites, regardless their political ideology. You might say that it was liberalism in combination with racial oppression that kept blacks down.....well....liberalism happened to whites too, while racial oppression did not. In other words, both whites and blacks lived under liberalism and conservatism in the country.....so that should not account for any difference in our conditions. However, both whites and blacks did not live under racial oppression in this country......hence, liberal did not cause the difference, racial oppression did.

I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. Hence, I can tell you countless poor countries on this planet where people basically GET NO HELP....and guess what......they are still poor. Thus, I am lost to see how a platform of no help is supposed to be the superior choice for historically oppressed and or impoverished people.

Its kind of like medication. You have a chronic disease and start taking medication. Initially you ignore the side effects because you are so happy that it helps or controls your chronic condition. However, the longer your chronic condition is controlled, the more you take it for granted and the more you NOW start focusing on the side effects. You forget what life was like when you had NO HELP (no medication aka no policy) and now you just focus on the problems of side effects. Conservatism is simply the absence of medication for what ills society and it champions its platform by focusing on the side effects of the medication provided by liberals, while ignoring the chronic condition that the medication controlled.

1. "All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

2. "Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy."

There is no 'white supremacy' in this country.
The group with the highest income, highest educational achievement, lowest crime rate and least political power is not white.
And doesn't whine about 'white supremacy.'


3. "Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems..."
In this very thread, I did more than 'link' Liberalism to black problems....I documented it.


4. "However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be?"

Here's how.....central to Liberalism is the dogma that blacks cannot make it on their own, with all the nasty white (imaginary) racism....so, many blacks don't even try on their own.

Here's proof...see if you have any explanation for this:
Here is the amazing consequence of half a century of indoctrination:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance


5. I appreciate how you articulate your perspective...wrong though it is....sans vulgarity.

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

1. "Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them."

Of course that is not the case.
Asian achievement is based on exactly what blacks would be doing if Liberals didn't 'help' them to understand that they cannot succeed on their own.

As they once did.

1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.

2. "I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance."
You keep forgetting that you are posting with one who knows far more than you do.


3. "That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme?"
I said nothing about 'supreme.'
I stated the facts:
While they have few same race officials in power,
...Asians have the highest incomes of any race
...the lowest crime rates
....the highest educational achievement

...and they don't spend their time hand-wringing, 'woe is me,' as you do..




4. "So what accounts for the poverty-defying trajectory of the Fujianese kids?


First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


a. No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000.


b. ....Chinese kids had the longest commutes to high school. Most parents would be uneasy about an hour-and-a-half trip every day from the middle of Brooklyn, say, to Bronx Science. Kasinitz found that Latino parents, in particular, like to keep their high schoolers close to home.
Chinese parents weren’t deterred by distance—or by much else."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014



5. Stop being a coward, and give an explanation for this fact that you ignored in the post:

"Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Asian achievement is based upon the same thing that African Immigrant achievement is based, its an immigrant phenomenon. Only the most driven and most educated Asians come to this nation, mostly only H1- b visas( hence, the best and brightest should do better than the average black or white American). Contrast that demographic with Asians who came in as refugees....like the Hmong, whose poverty rate in the US rivals that of blacks. To be fair, you would contrast African Immigrants with Asian immigrants with recent European immigrants, if such data is available. That is an apple to apple comparison. You do not compare the condition of a group where the majority of the demographic is 1st or second generation Americans with Americans, like African Americans, that are at least10th generation Americans on average.

I don't doubt that you know more than me.....nor do I care. What I KNOW however, is that I know more about THIS than you do, notwithstanding your presumed superior knowledge base. Jack of all trades....master at none!

In regards to books.....I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success. I have a niece who sporadically works and is sporadically on public assistance, with no kids, who spends nearly all her monies on yarn and books. Again, its a false correlation to create the fallacy of causation. Its like saying that getting married creates higher incomes and education, as if two unemployed lazy people without an education getting married will trigger an education and higher income. Rather, people with higher levels of education and income have a greater propensity to get married than those with lower education and incomes. Ergo, more successful people have books in the home does not mean having books in the home makes one more successful. Most bank robbers wear hats.....therefore wearing hats lead to bank robbery? Most successful people have books....so lots of books leads to success? LOL

First this:
"......I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success."

Then this:
"Most successful people have books...."


Hmmmmm......

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Poor people, in general, are impacted by liberal social policies such as transfer payments. Not due to their color, but rather, their economic CLASS. At the time social policies or liberalism/Great society programs went into high gear, the consequences of racism had already rendered blacks 3 times poorer than whites. Hence, poor people were drawn to liberalism as a relief from poverty and racism created disproportionate poverty among blacks. In other words, if liberalism is the cause then what was the cause that rendered blacks disproportionately liberal? Answer: Racism. Its like.....yeah.....being hit by a car was the cause of my injuries.....but you pushing me into the street was the cause of me getting hit by the car.

Black culture is "African Culture". All culture is learned by its practitioners. Black people in America do not speak African languages, black people do not dress in traditional African clothing, black people do not practice African rights of passage, black people do not practice African religions, etc, etc. Of course, there are exceptions to these rules, but that is the rule. Hence, black culture in America was learned from whites in America. Blacks learned it from what you exposed. The white culture showed blacks the bad side of white culture....and that is what we picked up. Why do you think we call each other the N word? That did not come from Africa.....aka...black culture. That word came from white folks and we mimicked it. Blacks that immigrate to America with TRUE black culture....do much better than blacks whose culture was leaned from watching what white folks did to black folks over the centuries.

Prolonged exposure to white culture, for black people, is like prolonged exposure to radiation. It creates bad mutations.

Oh for f*cks sake...can you tie your own shoes without crying?
What a crock of nonsense. Why not just go ahead and nail yourself to a cross while your at it?

Perhaps you should listen to Martin Luther King, the real MLK...one rarely quoted...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”.... (Or like you - just blame everything on whitey)

"I come tonight to plead with you, to believe in yourself and believe you are somebody. Nobody else can do this for us, no document can do this for us, no emancipation proclamation can do this for us, ... no civil rights bill can do this for us, if the negro is to be free he must reach down deep into his own resources and sign with the pen and ink of self assertive manhood and declare his own emancipation proclamation!

No I cannot tie my own shoes without crying as long as you get to define the definition of both "shoes" and "to tie". To you, the simple scientific methodology of cause and effect is turned into "crying", "whining", "blaming" etc. You seek to take something LOGIC and make it debatable by turning the debate emotional. Whether I am crying or cannot tie my shoes (by your definition), I am not being illogical in suggesting that every cause produces an effect and that every cause is itself an effect of something else, in the temporal continuum of actions begetting reactions. You don't want to touch that logic....because you cannot, thus you obfuscate, deflect, use ad hominem, etc. Your response is not unpredictable. Rather, its rather sophomoric, if not juvenile (you see....I responded to your emotions with my emotional characterizations of your response. That is how you want this to play out....because emotions are void of logic).

To your point in the bold. Whites don't want that. In the abstract what MLK is suggesting is BLACK UNITY and blacks targeting and discriminating to lift up blacks. I tend to totally agree with him. The problem is.....however....white folks. As soon as black folks have Black commencements, black TV shows, black beauty pageants, Black this or black that.....white people cry foul and ask....."why can't whites have white only things". "Why can't white people discriminate in favor of white people if blacks can target blacks to help blacks". We have been there done that. You all fear BLACK UNITY and try to destroy it because, like MLK said, it will help to pull us up....which you do not really want because without someone inferior......how are you going to feel superior?

Nice try.
And as usual your kind twist MLK's words to meet your own racist opinions. And by your kind, I reference race peddlers.
Martin Luther King, who is truly among the greatest citizens in our country's history, would be bitterly ashamed and outraged by the black culture today. And he would dismiss your pompous, poorly disguised racist opinions for what they are - nonsensical excuses.

 

[AKIP]

Liberalism vs Conservatism is white folks conundrum. Black folks conundrum has been white folks, be they liberal or conservative, Republicans or democrats. All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries. In fact, whites and white racist seem to always lean to the party that is most antithetical to the wishes, goals and desires of blacks. Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy.

Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems.....but Liberal Germany does not seem to have the same issues. You would think that, at least I would think, that the liberalism experiment would produce the same results.....regardless of where and what country or race it acts upon. However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be? I mean, for theories or proofs to hold up to scientific scrutiny, others have to be able to produce the same results given the same liberalism. Hell...Germany and many European countries are even more liberal and generous with handouts.

The truth is.....its not liberalism that is the problem for blacks.....its RACISM from whites, regardless their political ideology. You might say that it was liberalism in combination with racial oppression that kept blacks down.....well....liberalism happened to whites too, while racial oppression did not. In other words, both whites and blacks lived under liberalism and conservatism in the country.....so that should not account for any difference in our conditions. However, both whites and blacks did not live under racial oppression in this country......hence, liberal did not cause the difference, racial oppression did.

I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. Hence, I can tell you countless poor countries on this planet where people basically GET NO HELP....and guess what......they are still poor. Thus, I am lost to see how a platform of no help is supposed to be the superior choice for historically oppressed and or impoverished people.

Its kind of like medication. You have a chronic disease and start taking medication. Initially you ignore the side effects because you are so happy that it helps or controls your chronic condition. However, the longer your chronic condition is controlled, the more you take it for granted and the more you NOW start focusing on the side effects. You forget what life was like when you had NO HELP (no medication aka no policy) and now you just focus on the problems of side effects. Conservatism is simply the absence of medication for what ills society and it champions its platform by focusing on the side effects of the medication provided by liberals, while ignoring the chronic condition that the medication controlled.

1. "All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

2. "Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy."

There is no 'white supremacy' in this country.
The group with the highest income, highest educational achievement, lowest crime rate and least political power is not white.
And doesn't whine about 'white supremacy.'


3. "Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems..."
In this very thread, I did more than 'link' Liberalism to black problems....I documented it.


4. "However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be?"

Here's how.....central to Liberalism is the dogma that blacks cannot make it on their own, with all the nasty white (imaginary) racism....so, many blacks don't even try on their own.

Here's proof...see if you have any explanation for this:
Here is the amazing consequence of half a century of indoctrination:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance


5. I appreciate how you articulate your perspective...wrong though it is....sans vulgarity.

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

1. "Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them."

Of course that is not the case.
Asian achievement is based on exactly what blacks would be doing if Liberals didn't 'help' them to understand that they cannot succeed on their own.

As they once did.

1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.

2. "I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance."
You keep forgetting that you are posting with one who knows far more than you do.


3. "That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme?"
I said nothing about 'supreme.'
I stated the facts:
While they have few same race officials in power,
...Asians have the highest incomes of any race
...the lowest crime rates
....the highest educational achievement

...and they don't spend their time hand-wringing, 'woe is me,' as you do..




4. "So what accounts for the poverty-defying trajectory of the Fujianese kids?


First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


a. No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000.


b. ....Chinese kids had the longest commutes to high school. Most parents would be uneasy about an hour-and-a-half trip every day from the middle of Brooklyn, say, to Bronx Science. Kasinitz found that Latino parents, in particular, like to keep their high schoolers close to home.
Chinese parents weren’t deterred by distance—or by much else."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014



5. Stop being a coward, and give an explanation for this fact that you ignored in the post:

"Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Asian achievement is based upon the same thing that African Immigrant achievement is based, its an immigrant phenomenon. Only the most driven and most educated Asians come to this nation, mostly only H1- b visas( hence, the best and brightest should do better than the average black or white American). Contrast that demographic with Asians who came in as refugees....like the Hmong, whose poverty rate in the US rivals that of blacks. To be fair, you would contrast African Immigrants with Asian immigrants with recent European immigrants, if such data is available. That is an apple to apple comparison. You do not compare the condition of a group where the majority of the demographic is 1st or second generation Americans with Americans, like African Americans, that are at least10th generation Americans on average.

I don't doubt that you know more than me.....nor do I care. What I KNOW however, is that I know more about THIS than you do, notwithstanding your presumed superior knowledge base. Jack of all trades....master at none!

In regards to books.....I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success. I have a niece who sporadically works and is sporadically on public assistance, with no kids, who spends nearly all her monies on yarn and books. Again, its a false correlation to create the fallacy of causation. Its like saying that getting married creates higher incomes and education, as if two unemployed lazy people without an education getting married will trigger an education and higher income. Rather, people with higher levels of education and income have a greater propensity to get married than those with lower education and incomes. Ergo, more successful people have books in the home does not mean having books in the home makes one more successful. Most bank robbers wear hats.....therefore wearing hats lead to bank robbery? Most successful people have books....so lots of books leads to success? LOL

First this:
"......I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success."

Then this:
"Most successful people have books...."


Hmmmmm......

Hmmmmmm....someone does not understand causation vs coincidence vs correlation. Not my problem though.

Actually....I get your point. Correlation is not causation.....they are correlated....but there is no causation. Another contradiction I guess. However, again, the substance is the same. Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success. How does reading Harry Potter novels help you land a good paying job. Its not how many books you have and read....its WHAT YOU READ. The same with college. Its not just going to college that makes a person successful, its what field of study they matriculate and graduate in.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

2. "Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy."

There is no 'white supremacy' in this country.
The group with the highest income, highest educational achievement, lowest crime rate and least political power is not white.
And doesn't whine about 'white supremacy.'


3. "Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems..."
In this very thread, I did more than 'link' Liberalism to black problems....I documented it.


4. "However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be?"

Here's how.....central to Liberalism is the dogma that blacks cannot make it on their own, with all the nasty white (imaginary) racism....so, many blacks don't even try on their own.

Here's proof...see if you have any explanation for this:
Here is the amazing consequence of half a century of indoctrination:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance


5. I appreciate how you articulate your perspective...wrong though it is....sans vulgarity.

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

1. "Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them."

Of course that is not the case.
Asian achievement is based on exactly what blacks would be doing if Liberals didn't 'help' them to understand that they cannot succeed on their own.

As they once did.

1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.

2. "I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance."
You keep forgetting that you are posting with one who knows far more than you do.


3. "That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme?"
I said nothing about 'supreme.'
I stated the facts:
While they have few same race officials in power,
...Asians have the highest incomes of any race
...the lowest crime rates
....the highest educational achievement

...and they don't spend their time hand-wringing, 'woe is me,' as you do..




4. "So what accounts for the poverty-defying trajectory of the Fujianese kids?


First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


a. No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000.


b. ....Chinese kids had the longest commutes to high school. Most parents would be uneasy about an hour-and-a-half trip every day from the middle of Brooklyn, say, to Bronx Science. Kasinitz found that Latino parents, in particular, like to keep their high schoolers close to home.
Chinese parents weren’t deterred by distance—or by much else."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014



5. Stop being a coward, and give an explanation for this fact that you ignored in the post:

"Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Asian achievement is based upon the same thing that African Immigrant achievement is based, its an immigrant phenomenon. Only the most driven and most educated Asians come to this nation, mostly only H1- b visas( hence, the best and brightest should do better than the average black or white American). Contrast that demographic with Asians who came in as refugees....like the Hmong, whose poverty rate in the US rivals that of blacks. To be fair, you would contrast African Immigrants with Asian immigrants with recent European immigrants, if such data is available. That is an apple to apple comparison. You do not compare the condition of a group where the majority of the demographic is 1st or second generation Americans with Americans, like African Americans, that are at least10th generation Americans on average.

I don't doubt that you know more than me.....nor do I care. What I KNOW however, is that I know more about THIS than you do, notwithstanding your presumed superior knowledge base. Jack of all trades....master at none!

In regards to books.....I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success. I have a niece who sporadically works and is sporadically on public assistance, with no kids, who spends nearly all her monies on yarn and books. Again, its a false correlation to create the fallacy of causation. Its like saying that getting married creates higher incomes and education, as if two unemployed lazy people without an education getting married will trigger an education and higher income. Rather, people with higher levels of education and income have a greater propensity to get married than those with lower education and incomes. Ergo, more successful people have books in the home does not mean having books in the home makes one more successful. Most bank robbers wear hats.....therefore wearing hats lead to bank robbery? Most successful people have books....so lots of books leads to success? LOL

First this:
"......I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success."

Then this:
"Most successful people have books...."


Hmmmmm......

Hmmmmmm....someone does not understand causation vs coincidence vs correlation. Not my problem though.

Actually....I get your point. Correlation is not causation.....they are correlated....but there is no causation. Another contradiction I guess. However, again, the substance is the same. Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success. How does reading Harry Potter novels help you land a good paying job. Its not how many books you have and read....its WHAT YOU READ. The same with college. Its not just going to college that makes a person successful, its what field of study they matriculate and graduate in.

" Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success."
Horsefeathers.
You said so yourself....it is indicia of what goes into making one successful.





Now.....let's see if you run from this fact, too:

"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement



Again?

'In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian.'


Brownsville population, ......60,000

Bay Ridge population.......70,000



White folks are in no way hindering your success.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)

Get it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Poor people, in general, are impacted by liberal social policies such as transfer payments. Not due to their color, but rather, their economic CLASS. At the time social policies or liberalism/Great society programs went into high gear, the consequences of racism had already rendered blacks 3 times poorer than whites. Hence, poor people were drawn to liberalism as a relief from poverty and racism created disproportionate poverty among blacks. In other words, if liberalism is the cause then what was the cause that rendered blacks disproportionately liberal? Answer: Racism. Its like.....yeah.....being hit by a car was the cause of my injuries.....but you pushing me into the street was the cause of me getting hit by the car.

Black culture is "African Culture". All culture is learned by its practitioners. Black people in America do not speak African languages, black people do not dress in traditional African clothing, black people do not practice African rights of passage, black people do not practice African religions, etc, etc. Of course, there are exceptions to these rules, but that is the rule. Hence, black culture in America was learned from whites in America. Blacks learned it from what you exposed. The white culture showed blacks the bad side of white culture....and that is what we picked up. Why do you think we call each other the N word? That did not come from Africa.....aka...black culture. That word came from white folks and we mimicked it. Blacks that immigrate to America with TRUE black culture....do much better than blacks whose culture was leaned from watching what white folks did to black folks over the centuries.

Prolonged exposure to white culture, for black people, is like prolonged exposure to radiation. It creates bad mutations.

Oh for f*cks sake...can you tie your own shoes without crying?
What a crock of nonsense. Why not just go ahead and nail yourself to a cross while your at it?

Perhaps you should listen to Martin Luther King, the real MLK...one rarely quoted...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”.... (Or like you - just blame everything on whitey)

"I come tonight to plead with you, to believe in yourself and believe you are somebody. Nobody else can do this for us, no document can do this for us, no emancipation proclamation can do this for us, ... no civil rights bill can do this for us, if the negro is to be free he must reach down deep into his own resources and sign with the pen and ink of self assertive manhood and declare his own emancipation proclamation!

No I cannot tie my own shoes without crying as long as you get to define the definition of both "shoes" and "to tie". To you, the simple scientific methodology of cause and effect is turned into "crying", "whining", "blaming" etc. You seek to take something LOGIC and make it debatable by turning the debate emotional. Whether I am crying or cannot tie my shoes (by your definition), I am not being illogical in suggesting that every cause produces an effect and that every cause is itself an effect of something else, in the temporal continuum of actions begetting reactions. You don't want to touch that logic....because you cannot, thus you obfuscate, deflect, use ad hominem, etc. Your response is not unpredictable. Rather, its rather sophomoric, if not juvenile (you see....I responded to your emotions with my emotional characterizations of your response. That is how you want this to play out....because emotions are void of logic).

To your point in the bold. Whites don't want that. In the abstract what MLK is suggesting is BLACK UNITY and blacks targeting and discriminating to lift up blacks. I tend to totally agree with him. The problem is.....however....white folks. As soon as black folks have Black commencements, black TV shows, black beauty pageants, Black this or black that.....white people cry foul and ask....."why can't whites have white only things". "Why can't white people discriminate in favor of white people if blacks can target blacks to help blacks". We have been there done that. You all fear BLACK UNITY and try to destroy it because, like MLK said, it will help to pull us up....which you do not really want because without someone inferior......how are you going to feel superior?

" The problem is.....however....white folks."

You're partly correct.
" The problem is.....however....white folks....who are Liberals."

1. After the Civil War, blacks embarked on the same journey as immigrant groups...and Irish...the most discriminated against group....took generations to get to where they are today.
But they had this advantage:

2. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter



3. Liberals destroyed large groups of blacks making that journey by changing the rules for them:

Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts….Activist judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.”
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a. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.




4. Blacks are just as capable of climbing the social ladder, but the 'help' by Liberals has restricted that climb.
See if you understand it based on this fact:

"...females are several times as numerous as males among blacks with high IQs. "
Witty and Jenkins, "Educational Achievement of a Group of Gifted Negro Children," Journal of Educational Psychology, vol. 25, p. 593.

They inherit the same genes, are raised in the same homes and neighborhoods......explanations rest on the culture, the excessively 'macho' roles of males associated with and emphasizing certain sociopathologies....'sympathetically' advanced by Liberals.


The smartest Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had it right when he suggested 'benign neglect.'

Liberalism vs Conservatism is white folks conundrum. Black folks conundrum has been white folks, be they liberal or conservative, Republicans or democrats. All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries. In fact, whites and white racist seem to always lean to the party that is most antithetical to the wishes, goals and desires of blacks. Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy.

Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems.....but Liberal Germany does not seem to have the same issues. You would think that, at least I would think, that the liberalism experiment would produce the same results.....regardless of where and what country or race it acts upon. However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be? I mean, for theories or proofs to hold up to scientific scrutiny, others have to be able to produce the same results given the same liberalism. Hell...Germany and many European countries are even more liberal and generous with handouts.

The truth is.....its not liberalism that is the problem for blacks.....its RACISM from whites, regardless their political ideology. You might say that it was liberalism in combination with racial oppression that kept blacks down.....well....liberalism happened to whites too, while racial oppression did not. In other words, both whites and blacks lived under liberalism and conservatism in the country.....so that should not account for any difference in our conditions. However, both whites and blacks did not live under racial oppression in this country......hence, liberal did not cause the difference, racial oppression did.

I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. Hence, I can tell you countless poor countries on this planet where people basically GET NO HELP....and guess what......they are still poor. Thus, I am lost to see how a platform of no help is supposed to be the superior choice for historically oppressed and or impoverished people.

Its kind of like medication. You have a chronic disease and start taking medication. Initially you ignore the side effects because you are so happy that it helps or controls your chronic condition. However, the longer your chronic condition is controlled, the more you take it for granted and the more you NOW start focusing on the side effects. You forget what life was like when you had NO HELP (no medication aka no policy) and now you just focus on the problems of side effects. Conservatism is simply the absence of medication for what ills society and it champions its platform by focusing on the side effects of the medication provided by liberals, while ignoring the chronic condition that the medication controlled.

"I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. "



Are these the folks you want the government to 'help'?

"....the lowest income families (the bottom fifth of earners) spend 40% on luxuries and 60% on necessities, according to the study’s author, Torsten Slok, chief international economist for Deutsche Bank Securities."
Low-income families spend 40% of their money on luxuries

 

[jillian]

Poor people, in general, are impacted by liberal social policies such as transfer payments. Not due to their color, but rather, their economic CLASS. At the time social policies or liberalism/Great society programs went into high gear, the consequences of racism had already rendered blacks 3 times poorer than whites. Hence, poor people were drawn to liberalism as a relief from poverty and racism created disproportionate poverty among blacks. In other words, if liberalism is the cause then what was the cause that rendered blacks disproportionately liberal? Answer: Racism. Its like.....yeah.....being hit by a car was the cause of my injuries.....but you pushing me into the street was the cause of me getting hit by the car.

Black culture is "African Culture". All culture is learned by its practitioners. Black people in America do not speak African languages, black people do not dress in traditional African clothing, black people do not practice African rights of passage, black people do not practice African religions, etc, etc. Of course, there are exceptions to these rules, but that is the rule. Hence, black culture in America was learned from whites in America. Blacks learned it from what you exposed. The white culture showed blacks the bad side of white culture....and that is what we picked up. Why do you think we call each other the N word? That did not come from Africa.....aka...black culture. That word came from white folks and we mimicked it. Blacks that immigrate to America with TRUE black culture....do much better than blacks whose culture was leaned from watching what white folks did to black folks over the centuries.

Prolonged exposure to white culture, for black people, is like prolonged exposure to radiation. It creates bad mutations.

Oh for f*cks sake...can you tie your own shoes without crying?
What a crock of nonsense. Why not just go ahead and nail yourself to a cross while your at it?

Perhaps you should listen to Martin Luther King, the real MLK...one rarely quoted...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”.... (Or like you - just blame everything on whitey)

"I come tonight to plead with you, to believe in yourself and believe you are somebody. Nobody else can do this for us, no document can do this for us, no emancipation proclamation can do this for us, ... no civil rights bill can do this for us, if the negro is to be free he must reach down deep into his own resources and sign with the pen and ink of self assertive manhood and declare his own emancipation proclamation!

No I cannot tie my own shoes without crying as long as you get to define the definition of both "shoes" and "to tie". To you, the simple scientific methodology of cause and effect is turned into "crying", "whining", "blaming" etc. You seek to take something LOGIC and make it debatable by turning the debate emotional. Whether I am crying or cannot tie my shoes (by your definition), I am not being illogical in suggesting that every cause produces an effect and that every cause is itself an effect of something else, in the temporal continuum of actions begetting reactions. You don't want to touch that logic....because you cannot, thus you obfuscate, deflect, use ad hominem, etc. Your response is not unpredictable. Rather, its rather sophomoric, if not juvenile (you see....I responded to your emotions with my emotional characterizations of your response. That is how you want this to play out....because emotions are void of logic).

To your point in the bold. Whites don't want that. In the abstract what MLK is suggesting is BLACK UNITY and blacks targeting and discriminating to lift up blacks. I tend to totally agree with him. The problem is.....however....white folks. As soon as black folks have Black commencements, black TV shows, black beauty pageants, Black this or black that.....white people cry foul and ask....."why can't whites have white only things". "Why can't white people discriminate in favor of white people if blacks can target blacks to help blacks". We have been there done that. You all fear BLACK UNITY and try to destroy it because, like MLK said, it will help to pull us up....which you do not really want because without someone inferior......how are you going to feel superior?

" The problem is.....however....white folks."

You're partly correct.
" The problem is.....however....white folks....who are Liberals."

1. After the Civil War, blacks embarked on the same journey as immigrant groups...and Irish...the most discriminated against group....took generations to get to where they are today.
But they had this advantage:

2. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived."
Coulter



3. Liberals destroyed large groups of blacks making that journey by changing the rules for them:

Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts….Activist judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.”
Archives - Philly.com

a. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.




4. Blacks are just as capable of climbing the social ladder, but the 'help' by Liberals has restricted that climb.
See if you understand it based on this fact:

"...females are several times as numerous as males among blacks with high IQs. "
Witty and Jenkins, "Educational Achievement of a Group of Gifted Negro Children," Journal of Educational Psychology, vol. 25, p. 593.

They inherit the same genes, are raised in the same homes and neighborhoods......explanations rest on the culture, the excessively 'macho' roles of males associated with and emphasizing certain sociopathologies....'sympathetically' advanced by Liberals.


The smartest Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had it right when he suggested 'benign neglect.'

Liberalism vs Conservatism is white folks conundrum. Black folks conundrum has been white folks, be they liberal or conservative, Republicans or democrats. All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries. In fact, whites and white racist seem to always lean to the party that is most antithetical to the wishes, goals and desires of blacks. Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy.

Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems.....but Liberal Germany does not seem to have the same issues. You would think that, at least I would think, that the liberalism experiment would produce the same results.....regardless of where and what country or race it acts upon. However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be? I mean, for theories or proofs to hold up to scientific scrutiny, others have to be able to produce the same results given the same liberalism. Hell...Germany and many European countries are even more liberal and generous with handouts.

The truth is.....its not liberalism that is the problem for blacks.....its RACISM from whites, regardless their political ideology. You might say that it was liberalism in combination with racial oppression that kept blacks down.....well....liberalism happened to whites too, while racial oppression did not. In other words, both whites and blacks lived under liberalism and conservatism in the country.....so that should not account for any difference in our conditions. However, both whites and blacks did not live under racial oppression in this country......hence, liberal did not cause the difference, racial oppression did.

I mean, conservatism is basically not doing anything for people who have been oppressed and or impoverished. Liberalism is policies and programs to help the poor and disenfranchised, and conservatism is just the absence of any such policies. Conservatism = NO HELP. Hence, I can tell you countless poor countries on this planet where people basically GET NO HELP....and guess what......they are still poor. Thus, I am lost to see how a platform of no help is supposed to be the superior choice for historically oppressed and or impoverished people.

Its kind of like medication. You have a chronic disease and start taking medication. Initially you ignore the side effects because you are so happy that it helps or controls your chronic condition. However, the longer your chronic condition is controlled, the more you take it for granted and the more you NOW start focusing on the side effects. You forget what life was like when you had NO HELP (no medication aka no policy) and now you just focus on the problems of side effects. Conservatism is simply the absence of medication for what ills society and it champions its platform by focusing on the side effects of the medication provided by liberals, while ignoring the chronic condition that the medication controlled.

1. "All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

2. "Hell, if the republican party really had the formula to pull black people up.....and black people started voting republican and succeeding.....most whites and certainly racist whites, would start leaning democrat to block the policies that threatens to destroy white supremacy."

There is no 'white supremacy' in this country.
The group with the highest income, highest educational achievement, lowest crime rate and least political power is not white.
And doesn't whine about 'white supremacy.'


3. "Its interesting that people link "liberalism" to black problems..."
In this very thread, I did more than 'link' Liberalism to black problems....I documented it.


4. "However, liberalism fails to produce the same failures in most other places and among most other races, that it is said to be responsible for producing in blacks. How could that be?"

Here's how.....central to Liberalism is the dogma that blacks cannot make it on their own, with all the nasty white (imaginary) racism....so, many blacks don't even try on their own.

Here's proof...see if you have any explanation for this:
Here is the amazing consequence of half a century of indoctrination:

Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Report: Negligent Parenting Hurts Black Students' Performance


5. I appreciate how you articulate your perspective...wrong though it is....sans vulgarity.

"All whites have NEVER been racist, but racist whites have been conservative, liberal, republicans and democrats throughout the centuries."
Bet you don't realize that you've contradicted yourself.

I just want to address the above. you should probably read it again, with comprehension.

although I know if anything isn't rightwingnut dogma your level of understanding is pretty much nil.

or is it that it isn't a cut and past, so you're confused?

 

[jillian]

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

1. "Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them."

Of course that is not the case.
Asian achievement is based on exactly what blacks would be doing if Liberals didn't 'help' them to understand that they cannot succeed on their own.

As they once did.

1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.

2. "I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance."
You keep forgetting that you are posting with one who knows far more than you do.


3. "That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme?"
I said nothing about 'supreme.'
I stated the facts:
While they have few same race officials in power,
...Asians have the highest incomes of any race
...the lowest crime rates
....the highest educational achievement

...and they don't spend their time hand-wringing, 'woe is me,' as you do..




4. "So what accounts for the poverty-defying trajectory of the Fujianese kids?


First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


a. No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000.


b. ....Chinese kids had the longest commutes to high school. Most parents would be uneasy about an hour-and-a-half trip every day from the middle of Brooklyn, say, to Bronx Science. Kasinitz found that Latino parents, in particular, like to keep their high schoolers close to home.
Chinese parents weren’t deterred by distance—or by much else."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014



5. Stop being a coward, and give an explanation for this fact that you ignored in the post:

"Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Asian achievement is based upon the same thing that African Immigrant achievement is based, its an immigrant phenomenon. Only the most driven and most educated Asians come to this nation, mostly only H1- b visas( hence, the best and brightest should do better than the average black or white American). Contrast that demographic with Asians who came in as refugees....like the Hmong, whose poverty rate in the US rivals that of blacks. To be fair, you would contrast African Immigrants with Asian immigrants with recent European immigrants, if such data is available. That is an apple to apple comparison. You do not compare the condition of a group where the majority of the demographic is 1st or second generation Americans with Americans, like African Americans, that are at least10th generation Americans on average.

I don't doubt that you know more than me.....nor do I care. What I KNOW however, is that I know more about THIS than you do, notwithstanding your presumed superior knowledge base. Jack of all trades....master at none!

In regards to books.....I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success. I have a niece who sporadically works and is sporadically on public assistance, with no kids, who spends nearly all her monies on yarn and books. Again, its a false correlation to create the fallacy of causation. Its like saying that getting married creates higher incomes and education, as if two unemployed lazy people without an education getting married will trigger an education and higher income. Rather, people with higher levels of education and income have a greater propensity to get married than those with lower education and incomes. Ergo, more successful people have books in the home does not mean having books in the home makes one more successful. Most bank robbers wear hats.....therefore wearing hats lead to bank robbery? Most successful people have books....so lots of books leads to success? LOL

First this:
"......I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success."

Then this:
"Most successful people have books...."


Hmmmmm......

Hmmmmmm....someone does not understand causation vs coincidence vs correlation. Not my problem though.

Actually....I get your point. Correlation is not causation.....they are correlated....but there is no causation. Another contradiction I guess. However, again, the substance is the same. Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success. How does reading Harry Potter novels help you land a good paying job. Its not how many books you have and read....its WHAT YOU READ. The same with college. Its not just going to college that makes a person successful, its what field of study they matriculate and graduate in.

" Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success."
Horsefeathers.
You said so yourself....it is indicia of what goes into making one successful.





Now.....let's see if you run from this fact, too:

"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement



Again?

'In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian.'


Brownsville population, ......60,000

Bay Ridge population.......70,000



White folks are in no way hindering your success.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)

Get it?

why would you assume that some rightwingnut bigot health macdoland is telling you anything true?

she has a history of being a bigot. but that figures that you like her.

btw, Brownsville is pretty gentrified now, cut and paste queen

Murders Down More Than 50% in Brownsville and East New York This Year

in fact, murders are down 50%.

but your bigot macdonald is too much of a bigot to be honest about numbers or reality. what is she going by, the numbers in 1978?

 

[AKIP]

Touche'.... You are correct....."Never have all whites been racist" is the correct construction and not "All whites have never been racist". I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance.

Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them. They should be on forums constantly presenting statistics about white test scores, crime, out of wedlock births, etc... among whites relative to Asians. I guess you also do not know that most Asians vote DEMOCRAT these days. That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme? They do not control the banks, the politics or the corporations. Those things are still firmly controlled by whites. Furthermore, you know that Asians are a filtered demographic in that the best and brightest from their native countries come here and they tend to live concentrated on the coasts in areas with higher cost of living.....and hence higher rates of pay. That has a major impact on their median and average incomes because their population is small relative to the white population. Finally, on that point, maybe its not so much that you believe whites are superior as much as it is that you believe that blacks are inferior. Either way, its the same old same old for blacks.

You documented no cause and effect between liberalism and socioeconomic racial inequality between blacks and whites. What you document is correlation (which is not necessarily causation) or coincidence. Its like how many conservatives correlate black problems with the rate of out of wedlock births. In other words, because the out of wedlock birth rate is high among blacks at the same time that high rate of crime, unemployment, poverty and the like exist....to conservatives out of wedlock births is the root cause. However, when one notes that the rate of out of wedlock births have increased from less than 5% to about 30% for whites from the late 50's to now.....you would think that there would be significant increase in the rate of crime, poverty, unemployment and other ills among whites, since its supposedly a CAUSE for blacks. However, no such data showing increases in rates for whites has materialized. So again.....out of wedlock births, like liberalism, only produces severe socioeconomic consequences for blacks......but not others. Thus, if the cause is not liberalism, if the cause is not out of wedlock births and its not the result of the man in the moon.....then its likely the accumulated impact of past and present racism.

How can Germany be liberal, then, when Germany hardly has any blacks? If central to the dogma of liberalism is that blacks cannot make it on their own, you are telling me that socialist Europe is based upon black people? No. Liberalism has nothing to do with color. It's just a platform and or belief that society needs safety nets and that people who are downtrodden are disadvantaged (especially the children born into such circumstances) and therefore are at a disadvantage in a competitive world. Liberalism seeks to mitigate disadvantage and pain. Liberalism certainly produces unintended and unwanted consequences or side effects, but the net effect is superior to not having those policies. It's easy to throw stones when you do not have the counter facts of what the nation would be like had no liberal policies been put in place. You have nothing to demonstrate things would be better today.

1. "Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them."

Of course that is not the case.
Asian achievement is based on exactly what blacks would be doing if Liberals didn't 'help' them to understand that they cannot succeed on their own.

As they once did.

1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.

2. "I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance."
You keep forgetting that you are posting with one who knows far more than you do.


3. "That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme?"
I said nothing about 'supreme.'
I stated the facts:
While they have few same race officials in power,
...Asians have the highest incomes of any race
...the lowest crime rates
....the highest educational achievement

...and they don't spend their time hand-wringing, 'woe is me,' as you do..




4. "So what accounts for the poverty-defying trajectory of the Fujianese kids?


First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


a. No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000.


b. ....Chinese kids had the longest commutes to high school. Most parents would be uneasy about an hour-and-a-half trip every day from the middle of Brooklyn, say, to Bronx Science. Kasinitz found that Latino parents, in particular, like to keep their high schoolers close to home.
Chinese parents weren’t deterred by distance—or by much else."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014



5. Stop being a coward, and give an explanation for this fact that you ignored in the post:

"Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Asian achievement is based upon the same thing that African Immigrant achievement is based, its an immigrant phenomenon. Only the most driven and most educated Asians come to this nation, mostly only H1- b visas( hence, the best and brightest should do better than the average black or white American). Contrast that demographic with Asians who came in as refugees....like the Hmong, whose poverty rate in the US rivals that of blacks. To be fair, you would contrast African Immigrants with Asian immigrants with recent European immigrants, if such data is available. That is an apple to apple comparison. You do not compare the condition of a group where the majority of the demographic is 1st or second generation Americans with Americans, like African Americans, that are at least10th generation Americans on average.

I don't doubt that you know more than me.....nor do I care. What I KNOW however, is that I know more about THIS than you do, notwithstanding your presumed superior knowledge base. Jack of all trades....master at none!

In regards to books.....I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success. I have a niece who sporadically works and is sporadically on public assistance, with no kids, who spends nearly all her monies on yarn and books. Again, its a false correlation to create the fallacy of causation. Its like saying that getting married creates higher incomes and education, as if two unemployed lazy people without an education getting married will trigger an education and higher income. Rather, people with higher levels of education and income have a greater propensity to get married than those with lower education and incomes. Ergo, more successful people have books in the home does not mean having books in the home makes one more successful. Most bank robbers wear hats.....therefore wearing hats lead to bank robbery? Most successful people have books....so lots of books leads to success? LOL

First this:
"......I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success."

Then this:
"Most successful people have books...."


Hmmmmm......

Hmmmmmm....someone does not understand causation vs coincidence vs correlation. Not my problem though.

Actually....I get your point. Correlation is not causation.....they are correlated....but there is no causation. Another contradiction I guess. However, again, the substance is the same. Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success. How does reading Harry Potter novels help you land a good paying job. Its not how many books you have and read....its WHAT YOU READ. The same with college. Its not just going to college that makes a person successful, its what field of study they matriculate and graduate in.

" Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success."
Horsefeathers.
You said so yourself....it is indicia of what goes into making one successful.





Now.....let's see if you run from this fact, too:

"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement



Again?

'In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian.'


Brownsville population, ......60,000

Bay Ridge population.......70,000



White folks are in no way hindering your success.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)

Get it?

You are a person who likes to read, obviously, by all the quotes you use.....but never making a tenable argument on your own. You are the one running from your model Asian rhetoric being a myth. You just move to the next thoughts of others that you use to make an argument....while never displaying your own words and reasoning. I mean, why form an opinion on your own when you can just READ and quote the thoughts of others?

There is no mutual exclusivity in the data you presented. In other words, just because there is reason for higher police presence and activity in Brownsville does not mean that police actions in Brownsville cannot be racially influenced. There was higher crime in Yazoo City, Mississippi black community than white community in 1950.....does it therefore follow that race was not an issue in police conduct in the black community then? One thing has nothing to do with the other. Crime and Racism are not mutually exclusive. Police can be racist and a black community can have more crime and both realities exist as true simultaneously. You seem to suggest that a high crime rate in the black community is justification for police misconduct and racism.

This is for your viewing enjoyment.





Police Are Less Respectful Toward Black Drivers, Report Finds

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them."

Of course that is not the case.
Asian achievement is based on exactly what blacks would be doing if Liberals didn't 'help' them to understand that they cannot succeed on their own.

As they once did.

1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.

2. "I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance."
You keep forgetting that you are posting with one who knows far more than you do.


3. "That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme?"
I said nothing about 'supreme.'
I stated the facts:
While they have few same race officials in power,
...Asians have the highest incomes of any race
...the lowest crime rates
....the highest educational achievement

...and they don't spend their time hand-wringing, 'woe is me,' as you do..




4. "So what accounts for the poverty-defying trajectory of the Fujianese kids?


First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


a. No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000.


b. ....Chinese kids had the longest commutes to high school. Most parents would be uneasy about an hour-and-a-half trip every day from the middle of Brooklyn, say, to Bronx Science. Kasinitz found that Latino parents, in particular, like to keep their high schoolers close to home.
Chinese parents weren’t deterred by distance—or by much else."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014



5. Stop being a coward, and give an explanation for this fact that you ignored in the post:

"Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Asian achievement is based upon the same thing that African Immigrant achievement is based, its an immigrant phenomenon. Only the most driven and most educated Asians come to this nation, mostly only H1- b visas( hence, the best and brightest should do better than the average black or white American). Contrast that demographic with Asians who came in as refugees....like the Hmong, whose poverty rate in the US rivals that of blacks. To be fair, you would contrast African Immigrants with Asian immigrants with recent European immigrants, if such data is available. That is an apple to apple comparison. You do not compare the condition of a group where the majority of the demographic is 1st or second generation Americans with Americans, like African Americans, that are at least10th generation Americans on average.

I don't doubt that you know more than me.....nor do I care. What I KNOW however, is that I know more about THIS than you do, notwithstanding your presumed superior knowledge base. Jack of all trades....master at none!

In regards to books.....I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success. I have a niece who sporadically works and is sporadically on public assistance, with no kids, who spends nearly all her monies on yarn and books. Again, its a false correlation to create the fallacy of causation. Its like saying that getting married creates higher incomes and education, as if two unemployed lazy people without an education getting married will trigger an education and higher income. Rather, people with higher levels of education and income have a greater propensity to get married than those with lower education and incomes. Ergo, more successful people have books in the home does not mean having books in the home makes one more successful. Most bank robbers wear hats.....therefore wearing hats lead to bank robbery? Most successful people have books....so lots of books leads to success? LOL

First this:
"......I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success."

Then this:
"Most successful people have books...."


Hmmmmm......

Hmmmmmm....someone does not understand causation vs coincidence vs correlation. Not my problem though.

Actually....I get your point. Correlation is not causation.....they are correlated....but there is no causation. Another contradiction I guess. However, again, the substance is the same. Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success. How does reading Harry Potter novels help you land a good paying job. Its not how many books you have and read....its WHAT YOU READ. The same with college. Its not just going to college that makes a person successful, its what field of study they matriculate and graduate in.

" Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success."
Horsefeathers.
You said so yourself....it is indicia of what goes into making one successful.





Now.....let's see if you run from this fact, too:

"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement



Again?

'In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian.'


Brownsville population, ......60,000

Bay Ridge population.......70,000



White folks are in no way hindering your success.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)

Get it?

why would you assume that some rightwingnut bigot health macdoland is telling you anything true?

she has a history of being a bigot. but that figures that you like her.

btw, Brownsville is pretty gentrified now, cut and paste queen

Murders Down More Than 50% in Brownsville and East New York This Year

in fact, murders are down 50%.

but your bigot macdonald is too much of a bigot to be honest about numbers or reality. what is she going by, the numbers in 1978?

"in fact, murders are down 50%.

but your bigot macdonald is too much of a bigot to be honest about numbers or reality. what is she going by, the numbers in 1978?"



Did you see the term 'murders' in the quote?

It's not there, is it.

Here....I'll let you try again:
"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement


You Liberals just can't stand the truth, can you.


But....here's the truth anyway, just to ram it down your lying throat:

"It's official: Brownsville is the murder capital of New York. The hardscrabble Brooklyn neighborhood, with the unofficial motto "Never ran, never will," that's wedged between Prospect Heights & Crown Heights and East Flatbush is also at the bottom of the barrel for robberies and shootings."
Brownsville - DNAinfo.com Crime and Safety Report


Why is it you can't stop yourself from lying????

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Asians don't complain about white supremacy, you say. No, to follow the examples of whites, they should be complaining about your inferiority to them."

Of course that is not the case.
Asian achievement is based on exactly what blacks would be doing if Liberals didn't 'help' them to understand that they cannot succeed on their own.

As they once did.

1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.

2. "I keep forgetting that I am talking to someone who will try to win points by focusing on form over substance."
You keep forgetting that you are posting with one who knows far more than you do.


3. "That said, Asian's have NO POWER in this country.....so how they hell are they supreme?"
I said nothing about 'supreme.'
I stated the facts:
While they have few same race officials in power,
...Asians have the highest incomes of any race
...the lowest crime rates
....the highest educational achievement

...and they don't spend their time hand-wringing, 'woe is me,' as you do..




4. "So what accounts for the poverty-defying trajectory of the Fujianese kids?


First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


a. No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000.


b. ....Chinese kids had the longest commutes to high school. Most parents would be uneasy about an hour-and-a-half trip every day from the middle of Brooklyn, say, to Bronx Science. Kasinitz found that Latino parents, in particular, like to keep their high schoolers close to home.
Chinese parents weren’t deterred by distance—or by much else."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014



5. Stop being a coward, and give an explanation for this fact that you ignored in the post:

"Overall, white homes had 2.5 times as many books as black homes. But the most surprising finding is that the top quintile of black homes reported having fewer books (69) than the bottom quintile of white homes (71).

Asian achievement is based upon the same thing that African Immigrant achievement is based, its an immigrant phenomenon. Only the most driven and most educated Asians come to this nation, mostly only H1- b visas( hence, the best and brightest should do better than the average black or white American). Contrast that demographic with Asians who came in as refugees....like the Hmong, whose poverty rate in the US rivals that of blacks. To be fair, you would contrast African Immigrants with Asian immigrants with recent European immigrants, if such data is available. That is an apple to apple comparison. You do not compare the condition of a group where the majority of the demographic is 1st or second generation Americans with Americans, like African Americans, that are at least10th generation Americans on average.

I don't doubt that you know more than me.....nor do I care. What I KNOW however, is that I know more about THIS than you do, notwithstanding your presumed superior knowledge base. Jack of all trades....master at none!

In regards to books.....I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success. I have a niece who sporadically works and is sporadically on public assistance, with no kids, who spends nearly all her monies on yarn and books. Again, its a false correlation to create the fallacy of causation. Its like saying that getting married creates higher incomes and education, as if two unemployed lazy people without an education getting married will trigger an education and higher income. Rather, people with higher levels of education and income have a greater propensity to get married than those with lower education and incomes. Ergo, more successful people have books in the home does not mean having books in the home makes one more successful. Most bank robbers wear hats.....therefore wearing hats lead to bank robbery? Most successful people have books....so lots of books leads to success? LOL

First this:
"......I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success."

Then this:
"Most successful people have books...."


Hmmmmm......

Hmmmmmm....someone does not understand causation vs coincidence vs correlation. Not my problem though.

Actually....I get your point. Correlation is not causation.....they are correlated....but there is no causation. Another contradiction I guess. However, again, the substance is the same. Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success. How does reading Harry Potter novels help you land a good paying job. Its not how many books you have and read....its WHAT YOU READ. The same with college. Its not just going to college that makes a person successful, its what field of study they matriculate and graduate in.

" Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success."
Horsefeathers.
You said so yourself....it is indicia of what goes into making one successful.





Now.....let's see if you run from this fact, too:

"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement



Again?

'In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian.'


Brownsville population, ......60,000

Bay Ridge population.......70,000



White folks are in no way hindering your success.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)

Get it?

You are a person who likes to read, obviously, by all the quotes you use.....but never making a tenable argument on your own. You are the one running from your model Asian rhetoric being a myth. You just move to the next thoughts of others that you use to make an argument....while never displaying your own words and reasoning. I mean, why form an opinion on your own when you can just READ and quote the thoughts of others?

There is no mutual exclusivity in the data you presented. In other words, just because there is reason for higher police presence and activity in Brownsville does not mean that police actions in Brownsville cannot be racially influenced. There was higher crime in Yazoo City, Mississippi black community than white community in 1950.....does it therefore follow that race was not an issue in police conduct in the black community then? One thing has nothing to do with the other. Crime and Racism are not mutually exclusive. Police can be racist and a black community can have more crime and both realities exist as true simultaneously. You seem to suggest that a high crime rate in the black community is justification for police misconduct and racism.

This is for your viewing enjoyment.





Police Are Less Respectful Toward Black Drivers, Report Finds

1. "You are a person who likes to read, obviously, by all the quotes you use.....but never making a tenable argument on your own."

You just can't help contradicting yourself.


Yes, the quotes and documentation are a sign of widespread and deep reading

But, unless you'd like to try the absurd conjecture that the quotes, links and documentation are random and with no connection to the construction of my argument.....
...well, then, they are a sure sign of a perfectly constructed argument.

And not just tenable.....unassailable.


I'm never wrong.
I thought I was once, but I was mistaken.



2. "...while never displaying your own words and reasoning..."

Let me give you a lesson that will serve you well if you ever get to college:
Some pointers.

1. Citing an authority with an established reputation is better, of course, than citing someone whose credentials are not so lofty. (http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/mla/practical_guide.shtml)

Composition Patterns: Developing an Argument

2. What has been pejoratively referred to as ‘simply cut and paste,’ is, in fact, carefully chosen to substantiate a point. Is the information covered fact, opinion, or propaganda? Facts can usually be verified; opinions, though they may be based on factual information, evolve from the interpretation of facts.(LibGuides: Critically Analyzing Information Sources: Critical Appraisal and Analysis)

3. A valid objection to this selection of sources may be the type of audience being addressed. Is the ‘pasted selection’ aimed at a specialized or a general audience? Do you find the level ‘over your head’ or is this source too elementary? Ibid.

4. Are you objecting to the author's credentials--institutional affiliation (where he or she works), educational background, past writings, or experience? Or simply looking for a weapon to attack the post? This, of course, would be puerile.

5. Providing summaries or outlines of a source is valid as long as a link to the original is provided, and the author’s meaning is conveyed.

6. Nor is it necessary to insert one’s own language if the original article is simply abbreviated, with link provided.

7. What has been called ‘cut and paste’ is frequently the message board version of footnotes and endnotes of an academic essay. “…footnotes were declared outmoded just before the era of the word-processors which make using footnotes so much easier. Still, because of its relative ease in both writing and reading, parenthetical documentation is greatly preferred by most instructors.” http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/mla/practical_guide.shtml

websites.wnc.edu/~kille/Fred/researchpaper.rtf



Do you feel sufficiently rebuked?

 

[jillian]

Asian achievement is based upon the same thing that African Immigrant achievement is based, its an immigrant phenomenon. Only the most driven and most educated Asians come to this nation, mostly only H1- b visas( hence, the best and brightest should do better than the average black or white American). Contrast that demographic with Asians who came in as refugees....like the Hmong, whose poverty rate in the US rivals that of blacks. To be fair, you would contrast African Immigrants with Asian immigrants with recent European immigrants, if such data is available. That is an apple to apple comparison. You do not compare the condition of a group where the majority of the demographic is 1st or second generation Americans with Americans, like African Americans, that are at least10th generation Americans on average.

I don't doubt that you know more than me.....nor do I care. What I KNOW however, is that I know more about THIS than you do, notwithstanding your presumed superior knowledge base. Jack of all trades....master at none!

In regards to books.....I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success. I have a niece who sporadically works and is sporadically on public assistance, with no kids, who spends nearly all her monies on yarn and books. Again, its a false correlation to create the fallacy of causation. Its like saying that getting married creates higher incomes and education, as if two unemployed lazy people without an education getting married will trigger an education and higher income. Rather, people with higher levels of education and income have a greater propensity to get married than those with lower education and incomes. Ergo, more successful people have books in the home does not mean having books in the home makes one more successful. Most bank robbers wear hats.....therefore wearing hats lead to bank robbery? Most successful people have books....so lots of books leads to success? LOL

First this:
"......I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success."

Then this:
"Most successful people have books...."


Hmmmmm......

Hmmmmmm....someone does not understand causation vs coincidence vs correlation. Not my problem though.

Actually....I get your point. Correlation is not causation.....they are correlated....but there is no causation. Another contradiction I guess. However, again, the substance is the same. Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success. How does reading Harry Potter novels help you land a good paying job. Its not how many books you have and read....its WHAT YOU READ. The same with college. Its not just going to college that makes a person successful, its what field of study they matriculate and graduate in.

" Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success."
Horsefeathers.
You said so yourself....it is indicia of what goes into making one successful.





Now.....let's see if you run from this fact, too:

"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement



Again?

'In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian.'


Brownsville population, ......60,000

Bay Ridge population.......70,000



White folks are in no way hindering your success.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)

Get it?

why would you assume that some rightwingnut bigot health macdoland is telling you anything true?

she has a history of being a bigot. but that figures that you like her.

btw, Brownsville is pretty gentrified now, cut and paste queen

Murders Down More Than 50% in Brownsville and East New York This Year

in fact, murders are down 50%.

but your bigot macdonald is too much of a bigot to be honest about numbers or reality. what is she going by, the numbers in 1978?

"in fact, murders are down 50%.

but your bigot macdonald is too much of a bigot to be honest about numbers or reality. what is she going by, the numbers in 1978?"



Did you see the term 'murders' in the quote?

It's not there, is it.

Here....I'll let you try again:
"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement


You Liberals just can't stand the truth, can you.


But....here's the truth anyway, just to ram it down your lying throat:

"It's official: Brownsville is the murder capital of New York. The hardscrabble Brooklyn neighborhood, with the unofficial motto "Never ran, never will," that's wedged between Prospect Heights & Crown Heights and East Flatbush is also at the bottom of the barrel for robberies and shootings."
Brownsville - DNAinfo.com Crime and Safety Report


Why is it you can't stop yourself from lying????

.....says the compulsively lying cut and paste queen...

why do you ignore reality in favor of bigoted rightwingnut bloggers?

never mind... no one cares.

 

[PoliticalChic]

First this:
"......I don't think books in the home is in anyway correlated with success."

Then this:
"Most successful people have books...."


Hmmmmm......

Hmmmmmm....someone does not understand causation vs coincidence vs correlation. Not my problem though.

Actually....I get your point. Correlation is not causation.....they are correlated....but there is no causation. Another contradiction I guess. However, again, the substance is the same. Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success. How does reading Harry Potter novels help you land a good paying job. Its not how many books you have and read....its WHAT YOU READ. The same with college. Its not just going to college that makes a person successful, its what field of study they matriculate and graduate in.

" Higher numbers of books in the home does not create higher levels of success."
Horsefeathers.
You said so yourself....it is indicia of what goes into making one successful.





Now.....let's see if you run from this fact, too:

"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement



Again?

'In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian.'


Brownsville population, ......60,000

Bay Ridge population.......70,000



White folks are in no way hindering your success.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)

Get it?

why would you assume that some rightwingnut bigot health macdoland is telling you anything true?

she has a history of being a bigot. but that figures that you like her.

btw, Brownsville is pretty gentrified now, cut and paste queen

Murders Down More Than 50% in Brownsville and East New York This Year

in fact, murders are down 50%.

but your bigot macdonald is too much of a bigot to be honest about numbers or reality. what is she going by, the numbers in 1978?

"in fact, murders are down 50%.

but your bigot macdonald is too much of a bigot to be honest about numbers or reality. what is she going by, the numbers in 1978?"



Did you see the term 'murders' in the quote?

It's not there, is it.

Here....I'll let you try again:
"In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement


You Liberals just can't stand the truth, can you.


But....here's the truth anyway, just to ram it down your lying throat:

"It's official: Brownsville is the murder capital of New York. The hardscrabble Brooklyn neighborhood, with the unofficial motto "Never ran, never will," that's wedged between Prospect Heights & Crown Heights and East Flatbush is also at the bottom of the barrel for robberies and shootings."
Brownsville - DNAinfo.com Crime and Safety Report


Why is it you can't stop yourself from lying????

.....says the compulsively lying cut and paste queen...

why do you ignore reality in favor of bigoted rightwingnut bloggers?

never mind... no one cares.

I just proved you to be a liar.....certainly you can evince a bit more rage than this.




And....is your objection to 'cut and paste' the consequence of not being educated enough to do the same????

Is that it?



You post this....
"never mind... no one cares."

....after three attempts to find some way to object to my posts?????

Priceless!

 

[wsucram15]

I don't know who the hell Leslie Jones is, but she was probably acting in a rude, loutish way and got called on it.

For most black racists, the excuse for anybody confronting rude behavior is attributed to racism rather than their own actions.

Leslie Jones was in Ghostbusters with McCarthy. You know, the one harassed on twitter by Milo who was also shamed in public?