When will we put LGBTQ issues behind us.?

[flacaltenn]

The fact is that the legal issues are, for the most part the same and these bigoted state laws that seek to limit their rights and restrict their behavior do in lump them all together- except for perhaps these idiotic “bathroom” laws that target transgender people. And, it is the legal issues that I started this thread about.

You may think that it is “bigoted” and idiotic to protect women and girls from creepy, mentally-ill, male sexual perverts who want access to them in dressing and restroom facilities, and that is why your side is ultimately going to lose, in spite of any gains that you think the pervert-rights movement has made or will yet make. Those who think it's OK to subject girls and women to such abuse are always going to comprise a small, degenerate minority. You're free to proudly include yourself in that minority, if you wish, but don't deceive yourself into thinking that your side will ever be otherwise.

And feel free, as you continue to promote this attack on the safety, modesty, and virtue of women, to falsely accuse us on the right of waging a “war on women.” Your sick hypocrisy will continue to provide a source of amusement for sane people, and help to show the general public just how degenerate your side truly is.

People you may know, or should....

Boykin's Defense of 'Religious Freedom' Includes Violent Anti-Trans Rhetoric Submitted by Peter Montgomery on Tuesday, 3/8/2016 10:16 am On Saturday retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, executive vice president of the Family Research Council, addressed the Awakening conference, an annual event sponsored by Liberty Counsel and the Freedom Federation. Boykin, known for his anti-Muslim and anti-gay rhetoric, dedicated his remarks in the plenary session to denouncing Bernie Sanders supporters for wanting free things, and to calling on Christians to do more to stand up for religious freedom and against LGBT equality. Boykin quoted socialist Norman Thomas saying in 1927, “America will never vote for socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program.” Boykin asked, “Is that where we are today?” He declared that support for Sanders is “an indication of the sad state of affairs in this country.” - See more at: Boykin's Defense of 'Religious Freedom' Includes Violent Anti-Trans Rhetoric

Michael Savage: Hillary Clinton Will Become A Dictator Who Will Put 'A Transgender In Your Soup' Submitted by Brian Tashman on Friday, 3/11/2016 11:50 am Earlier this week on “The Savage Nation,” conservative radio host Michael Savage asked listeners what they think would happen to the country after three years of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Savage predicted that a President Clinton would “seize guns” in order to stop an “armed rebellion.” “She is an absolute dictator,” he said. “She will seize guns and make them illegal in any way necessary.” (We can’t help but point out that Savage has frequently predicted that President Obama will seize guns, and he now only has less than a year to do it.) Savage also claimed that Clinton would usher in a societal “meltdown” and “a social nightmare”: “There will be a transgender in your soup.” - See more at: Michael Savage: Hillary Clinton Will Become A Dictator Who Will Put 'A Transgender In Your Soup'

Franklin Graham: Christians Must Take Over Every Mayorship In The Country To Stop 'Evil' LGBT Rights Submitted by Miranda Blue on Friday, 2/12/2016 12:37 pm Franklin Graham is visiting every state in the country this year as part of his “Decision America” tour, in which he is offering technically nonpartisan encouragement to his followers to “live out their faith” in the upcoming elections. At a stop in Atlanta this week, Graham spoke about the need for conservative Christians to not only vote, but to run for office, saying that if every city in America had a Christian mayor, we wouldn’t have “evil” and “wicked” policies like LGBT nondiscrimination measures. Better Georgia first brought the remarks to our attention. - See more at: Franklin Graham: Christians Must Take Over Every Mayorship In The Country To Stop 'Evil' LGBT Rights

There is plenty more where this came from but you get the idea. They all reflect the same mentality.....as do you

A lot of "older" people are very frightened of change and of that which they do not understand, and that manifests itself as hatred. They are very ignorant and they don't even realize it (mainly because they are ignorant).

Really? Think they are incapable of seeing how sketchy folks declaring themselves "trans" would have legal access to your bathrooms? Incapable of calculating that polyamory is the NEXT letter in the LBGQPTY banner?

Have you EXAMINED the "change" and limits of it's reasonable and just scope?

I don't really know what you're asking here, TBH. I don't know what "polyamory" has to do with gay rights.

I don't really know which bathroom a transgendered person should use. They are such a tiny percentage of the population. I suppose if they look like a woman and have had the surgery, we may not even know that they aren't women?? I do still think that "transgender" is more of a mental disorder, but I think some of you insinuating that there is some "conspiracy" is just kind of silly.

pol·y·am·o·ry
ˌpälēˈamərē/
noun

1. the philosophy or state of being in love or romantically involved with more than one person at the same time.

See.,. Now that's why I don't think any of the LGBTQTW crowd understands the push-back that they get. Because the arguments are all mostly "anti-anti" gay rights folks and name-calling. You THINK society should just roll over and accept the entire WAGON-LOAD of alphabet "orientations"..

But it you destroy the classic definition of marraige in the process -- there is no DOUBT that the Polyamory folks are gonna put a "P" in LGBTQ... What's the problem? If you have 2 men, 2 women, one of each or TWO OF EACH? They should have the same employment/legal/medical/financial RIGHTS as the others should they not?

You gonna tell me that 2 couples that love each that much are an ISSUE???

 

[ChrisL]

My posts are more referring to gay rights than transgender anyways. I really don't understand transgender at all, but I do know some very nice gay people who are just regular people and who just want to be able to go to the store and do their shopping in peace and not be discriminated against. They go to work every day, like anyone else. They are tired at the end of their day and don't want to have to drive 40 miles to go to the "Gay Mart" to do their shopping. Is that unreasonable?

 

[ChrisL]

You may think that it is “bigoted” and idiotic to protect women and girls from creepy, mentally-ill, male sexual perverts who want access to them in dressing and restroom facilities, and that is why your side is ultimately going to lose, in spite of any gains that you think the pervert-rights movement has made or will yet make. Those who think it's OK to subject girls and women to such abuse are always going to comprise a small, degenerate minority. You're free to proudly include yourself in that minority, if you wish, but don't deceive yourself into thinking that your side will ever be otherwise.

And feel free, as you continue to promote this attack on the safety, modesty, and virtue of women, to falsely accuse us on the right of waging a “war on women.” Your sick hypocrisy will continue to provide a source of amusement for sane people, and help to show the general public just how degenerate your side truly is.

People you may know, or should....

Boykin's Defense of 'Religious Freedom' Includes Violent Anti-Trans Rhetoric Submitted by Peter Montgomery on Tuesday, 3/8/2016 10:16 am On Saturday retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, executive vice president of the Family Research Council, addressed the Awakening conference, an annual event sponsored by Liberty Counsel and the Freedom Federation. Boykin, known for his anti-Muslim and anti-gay rhetoric, dedicated his remarks in the plenary session to denouncing Bernie Sanders supporters for wanting free things, and to calling on Christians to do more to stand up for religious freedom and against LGBT equality. Boykin quoted socialist Norman Thomas saying in 1927, “America will never vote for socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program.” Boykin asked, “Is that where we are today?” He declared that support for Sanders is “an indication of the sad state of affairs in this country.” - See more at: Boykin's Defense of 'Religious Freedom' Includes Violent Anti-Trans Rhetoric

Michael Savage: Hillary Clinton Will Become A Dictator Who Will Put 'A Transgender In Your Soup' Submitted by Brian Tashman on Friday, 3/11/2016 11:50 am Earlier this week on “The Savage Nation,” conservative radio host Michael Savage asked listeners what they think would happen to the country after three years of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Savage predicted that a President Clinton would “seize guns” in order to stop an “armed rebellion.” “She is an absolute dictator,” he said. “She will seize guns and make them illegal in any way necessary.” (We can’t help but point out that Savage has frequently predicted that President Obama will seize guns, and he now only has less than a year to do it.) Savage also claimed that Clinton would usher in a societal “meltdown” and “a social nightmare”: “There will be a transgender in your soup.” - See more at: Michael Savage: Hillary Clinton Will Become A Dictator Who Will Put 'A Transgender In Your Soup'

Franklin Graham: Christians Must Take Over Every Mayorship In The Country To Stop 'Evil' LGBT Rights Submitted by Miranda Blue on Friday, 2/12/2016 12:37 pm Franklin Graham is visiting every state in the country this year as part of his “Decision America” tour, in which he is offering technically nonpartisan encouragement to his followers to “live out their faith” in the upcoming elections. At a stop in Atlanta this week, Graham spoke about the need for conservative Christians to not only vote, but to run for office, saying that if every city in America had a Christian mayor, we wouldn’t have “evil” and “wicked” policies like LGBT nondiscrimination measures. Better Georgia first brought the remarks to our attention. - See more at: Franklin Graham: Christians Must Take Over Every Mayorship In The Country To Stop 'Evil' LGBT Rights

There is plenty more where this came from but you get the idea. They all reflect the same mentality.....as do you

A lot of "older" people are very frightened of change and of that which they do not understand, and that manifests itself as hatred. They are very ignorant and they don't even realize it (mainly because they are ignorant).

Really? Think they are incapable of seeing how sketchy folks declaring themselves "trans" would have legal access to your bathrooms? Incapable of calculating that polyamory is the NEXT letter in the LBGQPTY banner?

Have you EXAMINED the "change" and limits of it's reasonable and just scope?

I don't really know what you're asking here, TBH. I don't know what "polyamory" has to do with gay rights.

I don't really know which bathroom a transgendered person should use. They are such a tiny percentage of the population. I suppose if they look like a woman and have had the surgery, we may not even know that they aren't women?? I do still think that "transgender" is more of a mental disorder, but I think some of you insinuating that there is some "conspiracy" is just kind of silly.

pol·y·am·o·ry
ˌpälēˈamərē/
noun

1. the philosophy or state of being in love or romantically involved with more than one person at the same time.

See.,. Now that's why I don't think any of the LGBTQTW crowd understands the push-back that they get. Because the arguments are all mostly "anti-anti" gay rights folks and name-calling. You THINK society should just roll over and accept the entire WAGON-LOAD of alphabet "orientations"..

But it you destroy the classic definition of marraige in the process -- there is no DOUBT that the Polyamory folks are gonna put a "P" in LGBTQ... What's the problem? If you have 2 men, 2 women, one of each or TWO OF EACH? They should have the same employment/legal/medical/financial RIGHTS as the others should they not?

You gonna tell me that 2 couples that love each that much are an ISSUE???

Marriage is what the people involved in it define it as. It's not for you or anyone else to "define" it for other people. K?

 

[flacaltenn]

Bruce Caitlin Jenner could be mistaken for any ole "creepy male pervert" under the right circumstances.

He is a creepy male pervert. His fame doesn't make him any different or any better than any non-famous, otherwise similar degenerate.

That's probably where we disagree. I believe that there are legitimate biological/psychological transgenders. They are probably minority of the "self-declared" ones. And that's a MEDICAL issue -- not a political/religious/moral one.

So IF -- (BIG IF) -- the law figured out a way to RECOGNIZE the legitimate ones and recorded that -- I would all for some hate/access protections for that class.

no one pretends to be transgendered. you can choose to be a transvestite... there's a difference.

and ultimately, it doesn't matter what you think is "legitimate".

So you saying Bruce Jenner is a transvestite? He is NO "transgender" person. It was publicity stunt. If he ever had to ACTUALLY screw with a man --- he'd walk out of his multi-million dollar contract..

 

[rcfieldz]

You may think that it is “bigoted” and idiotic to protect women and girls from creepy, mentally-ill, male sexual perverts who want access to them in dressing and restroom facilities, and that is why your side is ultimately going to lose, in spite of any gains that you think the pervert-rights movement has made or will yet make. Those who think it's OK to subject girls and women to such abuse are always going to comprise a small, degenerate minority. You're free to proudly include yourself in that minority, if you wish, but don't deceive yourself into thinking that your side will ever be otherwise.

And feel free, as you continue to promote this attack on the safety, modesty, and virtue of women, to falsely accuse us on the right of waging a “war on women.” Your sick hypocrisy will continue to provide a source of amusement for sane people, and help to show the general public just how degenerate your side truly is.

People you may know, or should....

Boykin's Defense of 'Religious Freedom' Includes Violent Anti-Trans Rhetoric Submitted by Peter Montgomery on Tuesday, 3/8/2016 10:16 am On Saturday retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, executive vice president of the Family Research Council, addressed the Awakening conference, an annual event sponsored by Liberty Counsel and the Freedom Federation. Boykin, known for his anti-Muslim and anti-gay rhetoric, dedicated his remarks in the plenary session to denouncing Bernie Sanders supporters for wanting free things, and to calling on Christians to do more to stand up for religious freedom and against LGBT equality. Boykin quoted socialist Norman Thomas saying in 1927, “America will never vote for socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program.” Boykin asked, “Is that where we are today?” He declared that support for Sanders is “an indication of the sad state of affairs in this country.” - See more at: Boykin's Defense of 'Religious Freedom' Includes Violent Anti-Trans Rhetoric

Michael Savage: Hillary Clinton Will Become A Dictator Who Will Put 'A Transgender In Your Soup' Submitted by Brian Tashman on Friday, 3/11/2016 11:50 am Earlier this week on “The Savage Nation,” conservative radio host Michael Savage asked listeners what they think would happen to the country after three years of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Savage predicted that a President Clinton would “seize guns” in order to stop an “armed rebellion.” “She is an absolute dictator,” he said. “She will seize guns and make them illegal in any way necessary.” (We can’t help but point out that Savage has frequently predicted that President Obama will seize guns, and he now only has less than a year to do it.) Savage also claimed that Clinton would usher in a societal “meltdown” and “a social nightmare”: “There will be a transgender in your soup.” - See more at: Michael Savage: Hillary Clinton Will Become A Dictator Who Will Put 'A Transgender In Your Soup'

Franklin Graham: Christians Must Take Over Every Mayorship In The Country To Stop 'Evil' LGBT Rights Submitted by Miranda Blue on Friday, 2/12/2016 12:37 pm Franklin Graham is visiting every state in the country this year as part of his “Decision America” tour, in which he is offering technically nonpartisan encouragement to his followers to “live out their faith” in the upcoming elections. At a stop in Atlanta this week, Graham spoke about the need for conservative Christians to not only vote, but to run for office, saying that if every city in America had a Christian mayor, we wouldn’t have “evil” and “wicked” policies like LGBT nondiscrimination measures. Better Georgia first brought the remarks to our attention. - See more at: Franklin Graham: Christians Must Take Over Every Mayorship In The Country To Stop 'Evil' LGBT Rights

There is plenty more where this came from but you get the idea. They all reflect the same mentality.....as do you

A lot of "older" people are very frightened of change and of that which they do not understand, and that manifests itself as hatred. They are very ignorant and they don't even realize it (mainly because they are ignorant).

Really? Think they are incapable of seeing how sketchy folks declaring themselves "trans" would have legal access to your bathrooms? Incapable of calculating that polyamory is the NEXT letter in the LBGQPTY banner?

Have you EXAMINED the "change" and limits of it's reasonable and just scope?

I don't really know what you're asking here, TBH. I don't know what "polyamory" has to do with gay rights.

I don't really know which bathroom a transgendered person should use. They are such a tiny percentage of the population. I suppose if they look like a woman and have had the surgery, we may not even know that they aren't women?? I do still think that "transgender" is more of a mental disorder, but I think some of you insinuating that there is some "conspiracy" is just kind of silly.

pol·y·am·o·ry
ˌpälēˈamərē/
noun

1. the philosophy or state of being in love or romantically involved with more than one person at the same time.

See.,. Now that's why I don't think any of the LGBTQTW crowd understands the push-back that they get. Because the arguments are all mostly "anti-anti" gay rights folks and name-calling. You THINK society should just roll over and accept the entire WAGON-LOAD of alphabet "orientations"..

But it you destroy the classic definition of marraige in the process -- there is no DOUBT that the Polyamory folks are gonna put a "P" in LGBTQ... What's the problem? If you have 2 men, 2 women, one of each or TWO OF EACH? They should have the same employment/legal/medical/financial RIGHTS as the others should they not?

You gonna tell me that 2 couples that love each that much are an ISSUE???

And they have two rap sheets? One whatever they were born as and another the thing they have become?

 

[rcfieldz]

People you may know, or should....

There is plenty more where this came from but you get the idea. They all reflect the same mentality.....as do you

A lot of "older" people are very frightened of change and of that which they do not understand, and that manifests itself as hatred. They are very ignorant and they don't even realize it (mainly because they are ignorant).

Really? Think they are incapable of seeing how sketchy folks declaring themselves "trans" would have legal access to your bathrooms? Incapable of calculating that polyamory is the NEXT letter in the LBGQPTY banner?

Have you EXAMINED the "change" and limits of it's reasonable and just scope?

I don't really know what you're asking here, TBH. I don't know what "polyamory" has to do with gay rights.

I don't really know which bathroom a transgendered person should use. They are such a tiny percentage of the population. I suppose if they look like a woman and have had the surgery, we may not even know that they aren't women?? I do still think that "transgender" is more of a mental disorder, but I think some of you insinuating that there is some "conspiracy" is just kind of silly.

pol·y·am·o·ry
ˌpälēˈamərē/
noun

1. the philosophy or state of being in love or romantically involved with more than one person at the same time.

See.,. Now that's why I don't think any of the LGBTQTW crowd understands the push-back that they get. Because the arguments are all mostly "anti-anti" gay rights folks and name-calling. You THINK society should just roll over and accept the entire WAGON-LOAD of alphabet "orientations"..

But it you destroy the classic definition of marraige in the process -- there is no DOUBT that the Polyamory folks are gonna put a "P" in LGBTQ... What's the problem? If you have 2 men, 2 women, one of each or TWO OF EACH? They should have the same employment/legal/medical/financial RIGHTS as the others should they not?

You gonna tell me that 2 couples that love each that much are an ISSUE???

Marriage is what the people involved in it define it as. It's not for you or anyone else to "define" it for other people. K?

What a hippy dippy 21st century thing to say. LOL

 

[jillian]

Bruce Caitlin Jenner could be mistaken for any ole "creepy male pervert" under the right circumstances.

He is a creepy male pervert. His fame doesn't make him any different or any better than any non-famous, otherwise similar degenerate.

That's probably where we disagree. I believe that there are legitimate biological/psychological transgenders. They are probably minority of the "self-declared" ones. And that's a MEDICAL issue -- not a political/religious/moral one.

So IF -- (BIG IF) -- the law figured out a way to RECOGNIZE the legitimate ones and recorded that -- I would all for some hate/access protections for that class.

no one pretends to be transgendered. you can choose to be a transvestite... there's a difference.

and ultimately, it doesn't matter what you think is "legitimate".

So you saying Bruce Jenner is a transvestite? He is NO "transgender" person. It was publicity stunt. If he ever had to ACTUALLY screw with a man --- he'd walk out of his multi-million dollar contract..

no. he's transgendered, not a transvestite. that's why I'm saying you should learn the difference. being transgendered also isn't the same as being gay.

 

[ChrisL]

A lot of "older" people are very frightened of change and of that which they do not understand, and that manifests itself as hatred. They are very ignorant and they don't even realize it (mainly because they are ignorant).

Really? Think they are incapable of seeing how sketchy folks declaring themselves "trans" would have legal access to your bathrooms? Incapable of calculating that polyamory is the NEXT letter in the LBGQPTY banner?

Have you EXAMINED the "change" and limits of it's reasonable and just scope?

I don't really know what you're asking here, TBH. I don't know what "polyamory" has to do with gay rights.

I don't really know which bathroom a transgendered person should use. They are such a tiny percentage of the population. I suppose if they look like a woman and have had the surgery, we may not even know that they aren't women?? I do still think that "transgender" is more of a mental disorder, but I think some of you insinuating that there is some "conspiracy" is just kind of silly.

pol·y·am·o·ry
ˌpälēˈamərē/
noun

1. the philosophy or state of being in love or romantically involved with more than one person at the same time.

See.,. Now that's why I don't think any of the LGBTQTW crowd understands the push-back that they get. Because the arguments are all mostly "anti-anti" gay rights folks and name-calling. You THINK society should just roll over and accept the entire WAGON-LOAD of alphabet "orientations"..

But it you destroy the classic definition of marraige in the process -- there is no DOUBT that the Polyamory folks are gonna put a "P" in LGBTQ... What's the problem? If you have 2 men, 2 women, one of each or TWO OF EACH? They should have the same employment/legal/medical/financial RIGHTS as the others should they not?

You gonna tell me that 2 couples that love each that much are an ISSUE???

Marriage is what the people involved in it define it as. It's not for you or anyone else to "define" it for other people. K?

What a hippy dippy 21st century thing to say. LOL

Do you have anything to ADD to the discussion?

 

[flacaltenn]

My posts are more referring to gay rights than transgender anyways. I really don't understand transgender at all, but I do know some very nice gay people who are just regular people and who just want to be able to go to the store and do their shopping in peace and not be discriminated against. They go to work every day, like anyone else. They are tired at the end of their day and don't want to have to drive 40 miles to go to the "Gay Mart" to do their shopping. Is that unreasonable?

That's my point. I'm only in the thread because the OP made a SPECIFIC POINT of lumping all those causes together like they are one quicky solution.. . Folks who do that -- cannot possibly have an appreciation of WHY there is push-back or dissent or lack of progress.

Lumping them all together CONSTANTLY in the media and politics does a disservice to some of the more legitimate causes. And encourages EVERY deviation from the norm to join the fray..

After awhile -- you run out of letters and "definitions" and we'll see polyamorists fighting with pedophiles for rights to the LETTER P and their color choice in the Rainbow Gay Flag..

 

[rcfieldz]

Sure ChrisL... you are obviously under the spell of evil spirits and are siding with the demons who inhabit the people who are lost. Sinners they are until they repent. Unless they are of a new religion that is an old one to others who see the world as it is and not as a fairy tale novel.

 

[flacaltenn]

Bruce Caitlin Jenner could be mistaken for any ole "creepy male pervert" under the right circumstances.

He is a creepy male pervert. His fame doesn't make him any different or any better than any non-famous, otherwise similar degenerate.

That's probably where we disagree. I believe that there are legitimate biological/psychological transgenders. They are probably minority of the "self-declared" ones. And that's a MEDICAL issue -- not a political/religious/moral one.

So IF -- (BIG IF) -- the law figured out a way to RECOGNIZE the legitimate ones and recorded that -- I would all for some hate/access protections for that class.

no one pretends to be transgendered. you can choose to be a transvestite... there's a difference.

and ultimately, it doesn't matter what you think is "legitimate".

So you saying Bruce Jenner is a transvestite? He is NO "transgender" person. It was publicity stunt. If he ever had to ACTUALLY screw with a man --- he'd walk out of his multi-million dollar contract..

no. he's transgendered, not a transvestite. that's why I'm saying you should learn the difference. being transgendered also isn't the same as being gay.

Do try to follow what you said. You made that statement that "no one pretends to be transgendered".. HE obviously DOES.. So by your rules -- he would only be a self-declared PRETENDING transgender OR just another Tranvestite..

 

[jillian]

He is a creepy male pervert. His fame doesn't make him any different or any better than any non-famous, otherwise similar degenerate.

That's probably where we disagree. I believe that there are legitimate biological/psychological transgenders. They are probably minority of the "self-declared" ones. And that's a MEDICAL issue -- not a political/religious/moral one.

So IF -- (BIG IF) -- the law figured out a way to RECOGNIZE the legitimate ones and recorded that -- I would all for some hate/access protections for that class.

no one pretends to be transgendered. you can choose to be a transvestite... there's a difference.

and ultimately, it doesn't matter what you think is "legitimate".

So you saying Bruce Jenner is a transvestite? He is NO "transgender" person. It was publicity stunt. If he ever had to ACTUALLY screw with a man --- he'd walk out of his multi-million dollar contract..

no. he's transgendered, not a transvestite. that's why I'm saying you should learn the difference. being transgendered also isn't the same as being gay.

Do try to follow what you said. You made that statement that "no one pretends to be transgendered".. HE obviously DOES.. So by your rules -- he would only be a self-declared PRETENDING transgender OR just another Tranvestite..

no. he's transgendered. again, your understanding here is nonexistent. there is a difference between a post op transgendered person and one who is not post op.

neither of those is the same as being a transvestite.

you really should look more into this because you're shooting from the hip without the slightest clue about what it means to be transgendered.

 

[ChrisL]

My posts are more referring to gay rights than transgender anyways. I really don't understand transgender at all, but I do know some very nice gay people who are just regular people and who just want to be able to go to the store and do their shopping in peace and not be discriminated against. They go to work every day, like anyone else. They are tired at the end of their day and don't want to have to drive 40 miles to go to the "Gay Mart" to do their shopping. Is that unreasonable?

That's my point. I'm only in the thread because the OP made a SPECIFIC POINT of lumping all those causes together like they are one quicky solution.. . Folks who do that -- cannot possibly have an appreciation of WHY there is push-back or dissent or lack of progress.

Lumping them all together CONSTANTLY in the media and politics does a disservice to some of the more legitimate causes. And encourages EVERY deviation from the norm to join the fray..

After awhile -- you run out of letters and "definitions" and we'll see polyamorists fighting with pedophiles for rights to the LETTER P and their color choice in the Rainbow Gay Flag..

Okay, I can agree that some seem to want to accept everything as being just a "variation of normal" but even if you think it is a mental illness or whatever, does that give people a "right" to be discriminatory? Pedophilia should not be brought into the discussion because that is a crime that hurts other people (children to be specific). Being gay or transgendered or whatever isn't hurting anyone else and is not a crime.

 

[flacaltenn]

Bruce Caitlin Jenner could be mistaken for any ole "creepy male pervert" under the right circumstances.

He is a creepy male pervert. His fame doesn't make him any different or any better than any non-famous, otherwise similar degenerate.

That's probably where we disagree. I believe that there are legitimate biological/psychological transgenders. They are probably minority of the "self-declared" ones. And that's a MEDICAL issue -- not a political/religious/moral one.

So IF -- (BIG IF) -- the law figured out a way to RECOGNIZE the legitimate ones and recorded that -- I would all for some hate/access protections for that class.

no one pretends to be transgendered. you can choose to be a transvestite... there's a difference.

and ultimately, it doesn't matter what you think is "legitimate".

So you saying Bruce Jenner is a transvestite? He is NO "transgender" person. It was publicity stunt. If he ever had to ACTUALLY screw with a man --- he'd walk out of his multi-million dollar contract..

no. he's transgendered, not a transvestite. that's why I'm saying you should learn the difference. being transgendered also isn't the same as being gay.

I know that -- HE/SHE/IT doesn't.. That's why I'm saying you can not create legally protected classes based on simple whimsical "self-declarations". It would never work. If we did that for Indians, Elizabeth Warren would be a "protected class".

And I KNOW the difference between "gay/lesbian rights" and the trans arguments. Totally different definitions, problems, issues and side effects. So LUMPING all of these together HURTS the LGBTQPY cause..

Even the self-declaration of BIsexual is EXTREMELY different from "gay". Because that one is LARGELY choice, not EVEN a lifestyle, and can lie dormant as a "sexual orientation" for DECADES at a time.

 

[flacaltenn]

That's probably where we disagree. I believe that there are legitimate biological/psychological transgenders. They are probably minority of the "self-declared" ones. And that's a MEDICAL issue -- not a political/religious/moral one.

So IF -- (BIG IF) -- the law figured out a way to RECOGNIZE the legitimate ones and recorded that -- I would all for some hate/access protections for that class.

no one pretends to be transgendered. you can choose to be a transvestite... there's a difference.

and ultimately, it doesn't matter what you think is "legitimate".

So you saying Bruce Jenner is a transvestite? He is NO "transgender" person. It was publicity stunt. If he ever had to ACTUALLY screw with a man --- he'd walk out of his multi-million dollar contract..

no. he's transgendered, not a transvestite. that's why I'm saying you should learn the difference. being transgendered also isn't the same as being gay.

Do try to follow what you said. You made that statement that "no one pretends to be transgendered".. HE obviously DOES.. So by your rules -- he would only be a self-declared PRETENDING transgender OR just another Tranvestite..

no. he's transgendered. again, your understanding here is nonexistent. there is a difference between a post op transgendered person and one who is not post op.

neither of those is the same as being a transvestite.

you really should look more into this because you're shooting from the hip without the slightest clue about what it means to be transgendered.

You're the one with the big hips. TRANS-gendered implies actively seeking REASSIGNMENT. Change of physical/societal/relationship factors. Not just waking up with an idea for a decrepit Reality Show and feeling like dressing like a woman. CALL ME if Bruce gets hot and sweaty with a male or has his hormone shots upped or chops his genitals..

 

[ChrisL]

no one pretends to be transgendered. you can choose to be a transvestite... there's a difference.

and ultimately, it doesn't matter what you think is "legitimate".

So you saying Bruce Jenner is a transvestite? He is NO "transgender" person. It was publicity stunt. If he ever had to ACTUALLY screw with a man --- he'd walk out of his multi-million dollar contract..

no. he's transgendered, not a transvestite. that's why I'm saying you should learn the difference. being transgendered also isn't the same as being gay.

Do try to follow what you said. You made that statement that "no one pretends to be transgendered".. HE obviously DOES.. So by your rules -- he would only be a self-declared PRETENDING transgender OR just another Tranvestite..

no. he's transgendered. again, your understanding here is nonexistent. there is a difference between a post op transgendered person and one who is not post op.

neither of those is the same as being a transvestite.

you really should look more into this because you're shooting from the hip without the slightest clue about what it means to be transgendered.

You're the one with the big hips. TRANS-gendered implies actively seeking REASSIGNMENT. Change of physical/societal/relationship factors. Not just waking up with an idea for a decrepit Reality Show and feeling like dressing like a woman. CALL ME if Bruce gets hot and sweaty with a male or has his hormone shots upped or chops his genitals..

I agree, some people would do just about ANYTHING to get attention. Sad, really. Some people might also just be confused. I can't say that I really understand the transgendered, and I can't help but to think it is a type of mental disorder. I suppose, in that case, they deserve sympathy.

I really don't know what to say about the "bathroom issues." I don't know the answer to that problem.

 

[flacaltenn]

My posts are more referring to gay rights than transgender anyways. I really don't understand transgender at all, but I do know some very nice gay people who are just regular people and who just want to be able to go to the store and do their shopping in peace and not be discriminated against. They go to work every day, like anyone else. They are tired at the end of their day and don't want to have to drive 40 miles to go to the "Gay Mart" to do their shopping. Is that unreasonable?

That's my point. I'm only in the thread because the OP made a SPECIFIC POINT of lumping all those causes together like they are one quicky solution.. . Folks who do that -- cannot possibly have an appreciation of WHY there is push-back or dissent or lack of progress.

Lumping them all together CONSTANTLY in the media and politics does a disservice to some of the more legitimate causes. And encourages EVERY deviation from the norm to join the fray..

After awhile -- you run out of letters and "definitions" and we'll see polyamorists fighting with pedophiles for rights to the LETTER P and their color choice in the Rainbow Gay Flag..

Okay, I can agree that some seem to want to accept everything as being just a "variation of normal" but even if you think it is a mental illness or whatever, does that give people a "right" to be discriminatory? Pedophilia should not be brought into the discussion because that is a crime that hurts other people (children to be specific). Being gay or transgendered or whatever isn't hurting anyone else and is not a crime.

Pedophiles are totally convinced that there is no victim. That the little ones are willing and ready for "relationships". Pedos don't even have to sexually ACT on their impulses. They can just be abnormally "attracted to" children.. That argument (EXCUSE) has been made REPEATEDLY in the media. Were several Atlantic or Slate pieces on "harmless" pedophiles as an attempt to classify it not as a crime --- but as just an unfortunate "habit"..

All that probably is true for a large portion of folks suffering from this "deviation"..

The only way you BECOME discriminatory is because of law. Either the ABSENCE of law or the laws purposed to a particular class. We need to be MORE careful about WHO is IN that class and what side effects might occur..

 

[ChrisL]

My posts are more referring to gay rights than transgender anyways. I really don't understand transgender at all, but I do know some very nice gay people who are just regular people and who just want to be able to go to the store and do their shopping in peace and not be discriminated against. They go to work every day, like anyone else. They are tired at the end of their day and don't want to have to drive 40 miles to go to the "Gay Mart" to do their shopping. Is that unreasonable?

That's my point. I'm only in the thread because the OP made a SPECIFIC POINT of lumping all those causes together like they are one quicky solution.. . Folks who do that -- cannot possibly have an appreciation of WHY there is push-back or dissent or lack of progress.

Lumping them all together CONSTANTLY in the media and politics does a disservice to some of the more legitimate causes. And encourages EVERY deviation from the norm to join the fray..

After awhile -- you run out of letters and "definitions" and we'll see polyamorists fighting with pedophiles for rights to the LETTER P and their color choice in the Rainbow Gay Flag..

Okay, I can agree that some seem to want to accept everything as being just a "variation of normal" but even if you think it is a mental illness or whatever, does that give people a "right" to be discriminatory? Pedophilia should not be brought into the discussion because that is a crime that hurts other people (children to be specific). Being gay or transgendered or whatever isn't hurting anyone else and is not a crime.

Pedophiles are totally convinced that there is no victim. That the little ones are willing and ready for "relationships". Pedos don't even have to sexually ACT on their impulses. They can just be abnormally "attracted to" children.. That argument (EXCUSE) has been made REPEATEDLY in the media. Were several Atlantic or Slate pieces on "harmless" pedophiles as an attempt to classify it not as a crime --- but as just an unfortunate "habit"..

All that probably is true for a large portion of folks suffering from this "deviation"..

The only way you BECOME discriminatory is because of law. Either the ABSENCE of law or the laws purposed to a particular class. We need to be MORE careful about WHO is IN that class and what side effects might occur..

It's easy to "separate" them. Those that are harming others and those who are not. Adult gay people are not harming anyone. Two consenting adults of the same sex are not harming anyone. A transgendered person is also not "harming" anyone (except for maybe him or herself).

 

[flacaltenn]

So you saying Bruce Jenner is a transvestite? He is NO "transgender" person. It was publicity stunt. If he ever had to ACTUALLY screw with a man --- he'd walk out of his multi-million dollar contract..

no. he's transgendered, not a transvestite. that's why I'm saying you should learn the difference. being transgendered also isn't the same as being gay.

Do try to follow what you said. You made that statement that "no one pretends to be transgendered".. HE obviously DOES.. So by your rules -- he would only be a self-declared PRETENDING transgender OR just another Tranvestite..

no. he's transgendered. again, your understanding here is nonexistent. there is a difference between a post op transgendered person and one who is not post op.

neither of those is the same as being a transvestite.

you really should look more into this because you're shooting from the hip without the slightest clue about what it means to be transgendered.

You're the one with the big hips. TRANS-gendered implies actively seeking REASSIGNMENT. Change of physical/societal/relationship factors. Not just waking up with an idea for a decrepit Reality Show and feeling like dressing like a woman. CALL ME if Bruce gets hot and sweaty with a male or has his hormone shots upped or chops his genitals..

I agree, some people would do just about ANYTHING to get attention. Sad, really. Some people might also just be confused. I can't say that I really understand the transgendered, and I can't help but to think it is a type of mental disorder. I suppose, in that case, they deserve sympathy.

I really don't know what to say about the "bathroom issues." I don't know the answer to that problem.

Almost certainly, out of all of those alphabet causes, transgender does USUALLY have a pretty clear medical/biological footprint. It really is a MEDICAL issue. I TOTALLY believe that some folks NEED gender reassignment. It is nowhere the Q's or it's got NOTHING to do with transvestites.

 

[ChrisL]

no. he's transgendered, not a transvestite. that's why I'm saying you should learn the difference. being transgendered also isn't the same as being gay.

Do try to follow what you said. You made that statement that "no one pretends to be transgendered".. HE obviously DOES.. So by your rules -- he would only be a self-declared PRETENDING transgender OR just another Tranvestite..

no. he's transgendered. again, your understanding here is nonexistent. there is a difference between a post op transgendered person and one who is not post op.

neither of those is the same as being a transvestite.

you really should look more into this because you're shooting from the hip without the slightest clue about what it means to be transgendered.

You're the one with the big hips. TRANS-gendered implies actively seeking REASSIGNMENT. Change of physical/societal/relationship factors. Not just waking up with an idea for a decrepit Reality Show and feeling like dressing like a woman. CALL ME if Bruce gets hot and sweaty with a male or has his hormone shots upped or chops his genitals..

I agree, some people would do just about ANYTHING to get attention. Sad, really. Some people might also just be confused. I can't say that I really understand the transgendered, and I can't help but to think it is a type of mental disorder. I suppose, in that case, they deserve sympathy.

I really don't know what to say about the "bathroom issues." I don't know the answer to that problem.

Almost certainly, out of all of those alphabet causes, transgender does USUALLY have a pretty clear medical/biological footprint. It really is a MEDICAL issue. I TOTALLY believe that some folks NEED gender reassignment. It is nowhere the Q's or it's got NOTHING to do with transvestites.

I don't know if it's a real medical issue or something wrong with them mentally. I don't think anyone really knows for sure.