Where did anti-semitism originate from?

[dilloduck]

Satire based on satire is what you see....

:arabia:

YA its tough to follow this debate with 4 million viewpoints thrown in helter skelter.

 

[ajwps]

YA its tough to follow this debate with 4 million viewpoints thrown in helter skelter.

You now when someone hands you an olive branch with a smile on his face and a gun behind his back, the only sane thing to do is call the sheriff.

Jose fooled no one with his plan to dismantle a sovereign country with the use of guile. When you have seen one pit viper it is not hard to recognize one who appears to be so innocuous.

 

[Comrade]

YA its tough to follow this debate with 4 million viewpoints thrown in helter skelter.

Hey long hair, you never answered my question. I asked you twice about what specific rights non-Jewish citizens are supposed to lack in Israel that Jewish citizens enjoy, but you took another hit again, didn't ya? Ya damn hippie, it's all your fault.

But pass me that joint and we'll forget about it!

 

[ajwps]

Hey long hair, you never answered my question. I asked you twice about what specific rights non-Jewish citizens are supposed to lack in Israel that Jewish citizens enjoy, but you took another hit again, didn't ya? Ya damn hippie, it's all your fault.

But pass me that joint and we'll forget about it!

Comrade I just know that Dilloduck has an answer to your question but he has difficulty expressing himself. I think he shudders too much...

 

[José]

Maybe a better question would be

"where did anti-zionism originate from?"

OR

"Is Zionism a form of racism?"

The answer to this most famous question is:

It depends on your IMPLEMENTATION of Zionism.

Zionism is a quite vague ideology, with several different interpretations and branches.

Zionism in its most basic definition mean nothing more than jews living in Palestine. Contrary to what many people believe the definition of Zionism does not include the establishment of a jewish state.

I will slightly disagree with my buddy r2200t (I miss you dude, come here and help your brother in arms : ), cuz I do believe one can be a zionist without being a racist, if by zionism one means only jews living in Palestine. The reason he equates zionism with racism is quite understandable, because since the founding of Israel, Zionism, FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, became a synonymous with this racist state.

But as far as the definition of Zionism is concerned, it only means Jews living in Palestine and there’s absolutely no racism in this.

The racist component of this ideology only appears when we start discussing the IMPLEMENTATION of Zionism (how Jews will live in Palestine, what kind of state they will live in).

Dillo said something about an author who stated that zionist dream should be fulfilled without the creation of a jewish (supremacist) state to avoid ethnic conflict ( forgive me dillo, I dont remember exactly what you wrote and am too lazy to look for it : ). Dillo’s absolutely right.... the definition of zionism is not racist at all, its racism lies entirely in its implementation.

The best implementation of Zionism would be a binational state, what in practical terms would mean a state with no ethnic definition at all, a civic state just like America.

The second best implementation would be a jewish non-supremacist state, like Spain. Spain, whether spaniards like it or not, has a dominant ethnicity (spanish) even if it’s “informal”. But Spain does not discriminate against other ethnic groups who live there. The peoples of Catalonia, the Basque Country and Galicia enjoy great autonomy and last time I checked were not living in slums in France or Portugal after being expelled by the spanish government.

The same can be said about the UK. It’s an ethnic non-supremacist state.

The third and worst implementation of Zionism is what we have now, a Jewish supremacist state, which in fact is no solution at all but the SOURCE of the whole problem.

Of all kinds of implementation of Zionism, Jews carefully chose the worst.

The big irony lies in the fact that in their desire to manufacture a “majority” and become a (sham) democracy they ended up creating a jewish racial dictatorship that continues to claim innocent lives in Palestine and even in America more than 50 years later.

If only Ben Gurion was alive to see the fine mess he got us all into : )

 

[Comrade]

The third and worst implementation of Zionism is what we have now, a Jewish supremacist state, which in fact is no solution at all but the SOURCE of the whole problem.

I asked Dillo this question three times. Instead I'll ask you the same:

What specific rights do non-Jewish citizens lack in Israel that Jewish citizens enjoy. Be specific, please.

The big irony lies in the fact that in their desire to manufacture a “majority” and become a (sham) democracy they ended up creating a jewish racial dictatorship that continues to claim innocent lives in Palestine and even in America more than 50 years later.

So now I post the same list of statements and verifiable sources all disputing your claim for the third time. Did you miss this? Are we going in some kind of circle here?

http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/refugees.html#howman

THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE:

"Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent.
"We extend the hand of peace and good-neighborliness to all the States around us and to their people, and we call upon them to cooperate in mutual helpfulness with the independent Jewish nation in its Land. The State of Israel is prepared to make its contribution in a concerted effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."

- David Ben-Gurion, in Israel's Proclamation of Independence, read on May 14, 1948, moments before the 6 surrounding Arab armies, trained and armed by the British, invaded the day-old Jewish microstate, with the stated goal of extermination.


"The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, THEY ABANDONED THEM, FORCED THEM TO EMIGRATE AND TO LEAVE THEIR HOMELAND, imposed upon them a political and ideological blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe, as if we were condemmed to change places with them; they moved out of their ghettos and we occupied similar ones. The Arab States succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people and in destroying their unity. They did not recognize them as a unified people until the States of the world did so, and this is regrettable".
- by Abu Mazen, from the article titled: "What We Have Learned and What We Should Do", published in Falastin el Thawra, the official journal of the PLO, of Beirut, in March 1976


"The first group of our fifth column consists of those who abandon their houses and businesses and go to live elsewhere. . . . At the first sign of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle."
- Ash Shalab (Jaffa newspaper), January 30, 1948


"The Arab streets are curiously deserted and, ardently following the poor example of the more moneyed class there has been an exodus from Jerusalem too, though not to the same extent as in Jaffa and Haifa."
- London Times, May 5, 1948


"The refugees were confident that their absence would not last long, and that they would return within a week or two. Their leaders had promised them that the Arab armies would crush the 'Zionist gangs' very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile."
- Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, in the Beirut newspaper Sada al Janub, August 16, 1948


"Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the -Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit.. . . It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."
- The London weekly Economist, October 2, 1948


"It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and Jerusalem."
- Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station, Cyprus, April 3, 1949


"This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boasting of an unrealistic Arab press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of some weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to re-enter and retake possession of their country."
- Edward Atiyah (then Secretary of the Arab League Office in London) in The Arabs (London, 1955), p. 183


"The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by order of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city...By withdrawing Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa.".
- Time, May 3, 1948, p. 25


The Arab exodus, initially at least, was encouraged by many Arab leaders, such as Haj Amin el Husseini, the exiled pro-Nazi Mufti of Jerusalem, and by the Arab Higher Committee for Palestine. They viewed the first wave of Arab setbacks as merely transitory. Let the Palestine Arabs flee into neighboring countries. It would serve to arouse the other Arab peoples to greater effort, and when the Arab invasion struck, the Palestinians could return to their homes and be compensated with the property of Jews driven into the sea.
- Kenneth Bilby, in New Star in the Near East (New York, 1950), pp. 30-31


I do not want to impugn anybody but only to help the refugees. The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab States in opposing Partition and the Jewish State. The Arab States agreed upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem, [Daily Telegraph, September 6, 19481
- Emil Ghoury, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee, the official leadership of the Palestinian Arabs, in the Beirut newspaper, Daily Telegraph, September 6, 1948


The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies.
- Falastin (Jordanian newspaper), February 19, 1949


We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down.
- Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, quoted in Sir Am Nakbah ("The Secret Behind the Disaster") by Nimr el Hawari, Nazareth, 1952


The Secretary General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade. . . . He pointed out that they were already on the frontiers and that all the millions the Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean. . . Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes, and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down.
- Habib Issa, Secretary General of the Arab League (Azzam Pasha's successor), in the newspaper Al Hoda, June 8, 1951


Some of the Arab leaders and their ministers in Arab capitals . . . declared that they welcomed the immigration of Palestinian Arabs into the Arab countries until they saved Palestine. Many of the Palestinian Arabs were misled by their declarations.... It was natural for those Palestinian Arabs who felt impelled to leave their country to take refuge in Arab lands . . . and to stay in such adjacent places in order to maintain contact with their country so that to return to it would be easy when, according to the promises of many of those responsible in the Arab countries (promises which were given wastefully), the time was ripe. Many were of the opinion that such an opportunity would come in the hours between sunset and sunrise.
- Arab Higher Committee, in a memorandum to the Arab League, Cairo, 1952, quoted in The Refugee in the World, by Joseph B. Schechtman, 1963


"The Arab governments told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in."
- from the Jordan daily Ad Difaa, September 6, 1954


"The Arab civilians panicked and fled ignominiously. Villages were frequently abandoned before they were threatened by the progress of war."
- General Glubb Pasha, in the London Daily Mail on August 12, 1948


"The Arab exodus from other villages was not caused by the actual battle, but by the exaggerated description spread by Arab leaders to incite them to fight the Jews"
- Yunes Ahmed Assad, refugee from the town of Deir Yassin, in Al Urdun, April 9, 1953


"[The Arabs of Haifa] fled in spite of the fact that the Jewish authorities guaranteed their safety and rights as citizens of Israel."
- Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, according to Rev. Karl Baehr, Executive Secretary of the American Christian Palestine Committee, New York Herald Tribune, June 30, 1949


"Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe. [However] ...A large road convoy, escorted by [British] military . . . left Haifa for Beirut yesterday. . . . Evacuation by sea goes on steadily. ...[Two days later, the Jews were] still making every effort to persuade the Arab populace to remain and to settle back into their normal lives in the towns... [as for the Arabs,] another convoy left Tireh for Transjordan, and the evacuation by sea continues. The quays and harbor are still crowded with refugees and their household effects, all omitting no opportunity to get a place an one of the boats leaving Haifa.""
- Haifa District HQ of the British Police, April 26, 1948, quoted in Battleground by Samuel Katz


"The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce they rather preferred to abandon their homes, their belongings and everything they possessed in the world and leave the town. This is in fact what they did."
- Jamal Husseini, Acting Chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee, told to the United Nations Security Council, quoted in the UNSC Official Records (N. 62), April 23, 1948, p. 14


"the military and civil authorities and the Jewish representative expressed their profound regret at this grave decision [to evacuate]. The [Jewish] Mayor of Haifa made a passionate appeal to the delegation to reconsider its decision"
- The Arab National Committee of Haifa, told to the Arab League, quoted in The Refugee in the World, by Joseph B. Schechtman, 1963


"...our city flourished and developed for the good of both Jewish and Arab residents ... Do not destroy your homes with your own hands; do not bring tragedy upon yourselves by unnecessary evacuation and self-imposed burdens. By moving out you will be overtaken by poverty and humiliation. But in this city, yours and ours, Haifa, the gates are open for work, for life, and for peace, for you and your families."
The Haifa Workers' Council bulletin, 28 April 1948


"...the Jewish hagana asked (using loudspeakers) Arabs to remain at their homes but the most of the Arab population followed their leaders who asked them to leave the country."
The TIMES of London, reporting events of 22.4.48


" The existence of these refugees is a direct result of the Arab States' opposition to the partition plan and the reconstitution of the State of Israel. The Arab states adopted this policy unanimously, and the responsibility of its results, therefore is theirs.
...The flight of Arabs from the territory allotted by the UN for the Jewish state began immediately after the General Assembly decision at the end of November 1947. This wave of emigration, which lasted several weeks, comprised some thirty thousand people, chiefly well-to-do-families."

- Emil Ghory, secretary of the Arab High Council, Lebanese daily Al-Telegraph, 6 Sept 1948


"Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return."
- Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, (Beirut, 1973), Part 1, pp. 386-387


"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of refugees... while it is we who made them to leave... We brought disaster upon... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave... We have rendered them dispossessed... We have accustomed them to begging... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon... men, women and children - all this in service of political purposes..."
- Khaled al Azm, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war [note: same person as above]


"As early as the first months of 1948 the Arab League issued orders exhorting the people to seek a temporary refuge in neighboring countries, later to return to their abodes in the wake of the victorious Arab armies and obtain their share of abandoned Jewish property."

- bulletin of The Research Group for European Migration Problems, 1957

One morning in April 1948, Dr. Jamal woke us to say that the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), led by the Husseinis, had warned Arab residents of Talbieh to leave immediately. The understanding was that the residents would be able to return as conquerors as soon as the Arab forces had thrown the Jews out. Dr. Jamal made the point repeatedly that he was leaving because of the AHC's threats, not because of the Jews, and that he and his frail wife had no alternative but to go.

And so now what? What's the point of this? Can we move forward at all? Pick one and critique. Move us one single inch forward. I dare you!

 

[José]

Comrade, you are basically saying that the israeli government made every effort to dissuade arabs from leaving their homes.

Well, if this was true just tell me why they denied their right to return as soon as the hostilities ended??

It’s almost unbelievable that you don’t realise this contradiction.

OK, many arabs left their homes voluntarily, but does this mean they don’t have a right to return to them?

Everyday you leave your house voluntarily and expect to have the right to return to it and find it intact...

You say that the new generations of palestinians don’t have the right to live where their parents once lived but you accept the right of a Russian jew who never set foot in Palestine to live there... this is a flagrant contradiction.

Jews have the right to return to a place they have never been.

But arabs who were born there and their children dont have the same right.

An arab palestinian would ask you:

Mr Comrade... I never fought the jews, never did them any harm. Why do you blame me for the actions of others? Why do you think I and my children don’t have the right to live where I was born?

 

[José]

What specific rights do non-Jewish citizens lack in Israel that Jewish citizens enjoy. Be specific, please.

Any discrimination against arabs who live in Israel pales when compared with this discrimination:

DENYING THE RIGHT OF WAR REFUGEES TO RETURN TO THEIR HOMES

Comrade,I will make another attempt at convincing you that Israel is indeed an apartheid state just like South Africa.

I’m gonna reproduce here a conversation I had with another person on the internet about 2 years ago.

Someone:

“The Israeli/Palestinian situation differs in so many ways from the apartheid of South Africa. The most glaring is that the apartheid of SA was a separation of blacks and whites WITHIN THE BORDERS OF SOUTH AFRICA."

José:

“ABSOLUTELY AND COMPLETELY WRONG. The main effort and policy of South African apartheid was to remove MOST blacks from South Africa and place them in small separate states known as "homelands" or Bantustans complete with government, border checks, passports, etc.

This was in fact the entire aim of apartheid.”

The white supremacists of South Africa wanted people like you Comrade, to think about the black South Africans exiled in those Bantustans in the same way you think about the arab war refugees in Gaza, AS CITIZENS OF ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SOUTH AFRICA.

South Africa didn’t have enough time and international support to achieve its goal of making you think the way they wanted. Israel did.

 

[ajwps]

Any discrimination against arabs who live in Israel pales when compared with this discrimination:

DENYING THE RIGHT OF WAR REFUGEES TO RETURN TO THEIR HOMES

Comrade,I will make another attempt at convincing you that Israel is indeed an apartheid state just like South Africa.

I’m gonna reproduce here a conversation I had with another person on the internet about 2 years ago.

Someone:

“The Israeli/Palestinian situation differs in so many ways from the apartheid of South Africa. The most glaring is that the apartheid of SA was a separation of blacks and whites WITHIN THE BORDERS OF SOUTH AFRICA."

José:

“ABSOLUTELY AND COMPLETELY WRONG. The main effort and policy of South African apartheid was to remove MOST blacks from South Africa and place them in small separate states known as "homelands" or Bantustans complete with government, border checks, passports, etc.

This was in fact the entire aim of apartheid.”

The white supremacists of South Africa wanted people like you Comrade, to think about the black South Africans exiled in those Bantustans in the same way you think about the arab war refugees in Gaza, AS CITIZENS OF ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SOUTH AFRICA.

South Africa didn’t have enough time and international support to achieve its goal of making you think the way they wanted. Israel did.

Ten years after the end of South African apartheid, the black South Africans are in worse shape than any time under the white government.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/jan-june04/safrica_4-12.html

But the legacy of apartheid has not yet been obliterated in a country where half the population still lives below poverty level and where wealth still remains divided along color lines.

Reading and Discussion Questions

The last ten years have brought vast improvements in housing, water and electricity, as well as political stability and international support, but South Africa is still, as President Thabo Mbeki observed, a country of "two nations" -- one mostly white and rich, and one mostly black and poor. In addition, South Africa faces massive unemployment, rising crime, and -- especially devastating -- one of the highest rates of HIV in the world.

On Sunday, Mbeki told voters that his party would fight to overcome the problems plaguing the country.

Do you think that any new country of infighting among the Arab groups could do as much as South Africa has been able to accomplish?

Most black South Africans now ten years later wish for a return to the white apartheid government.

Israel is not apartheid but the Arabs would love to make a palestinian divided, impoverished and HIV ridden population of women mutilators and Islamic terror. If Israel was truly an apartheid country, you would have the Arabs living in poverty and servitude but that feat has been accomplished by the Arab countries who keep their little brown brothers in apartheid conditions.

Get a life Muslim....

 

[dilloduck]

All gentiles are sinners in your eyes AJ

Arabs in Israel cannot invite fellow arabs to immigrate !

specific?

Comrade-----I re-posted this as you apparently failed to read it 3 times.
Can you and AJ discuss this without the insults?

 

[ajwps]

Comrade-----I re-posted this as you apparently failed to read it 3 times.
Can you and AJ discuss this without the insults?

And you have been given the answer to your specific instance of neither Arabs nor Israelis can personally invite anyone to immigrate to Israel.

The catch is that no individual citizen can invite any other person to immigrate to and become a legal citizen of any democratic country. The government of most democratic countries have immigration laws specific to that democracy based on a representative vote.

The US Congress, British Parliment or Israeli Kinesset has the right to make laws that govern who and how many shall immigrate into their respective countries.

Is this previously supplied response specific enough for you? I certainly hope that you have not been offended by this specific response.

 

[dilloduck]

And you have been given the answer to your specific instance of neither Arabs nor Israelis can personally invite anyone to immigrate to Israel.



Is this previously supplied response specific enough for you? I certainly hope that you have not been offended by this specific response.

The goal of Israel is to maintian a jewish majority in government and it does so by implementing racially discriminating immigration laws. No minority can ever hope to achieve a powerful position in Israel. Jews are allowed to enter by right of return. What hope does a minority have with this immigration policy. You may consider this immigration policy "necessary yet it is what makes a mockery of your democracy.

 

[Comrade]

Comrade, you are basically saying that the israeli government made every effort to dissuade arabs from leaving their homes.

Well, if this was true just tell me why they denied their right to return as soon as the hostilities ended??

"The first group of our fifth column consists of those who abandon their houses and businesses and go to live elsewhere. . . . At the first sign of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle."
- Ash Shalab (Jaffa newspaper), January 30, 1948

It’s almost unbelievable that you don’t realise this contradiction.

All these people are all dead now. History grants us their statements and if you want to pick two and show how they contradict, well there you go. Pick two, quote them, and we'll say... gee, they contradict. Your opinion, and mine, what's the point? Stick to the data and we'll move this ball forward.

OK, many arabs left their homes voluntarily, but does this mean they don’t have a right to return to them?

Doesn't the quoted text spell this out already? The answer is a very resolute NO.

Everyday you leave your house voluntarily and expect to have the right to return to it and find it intact...

You say that the new generations of palestinians don’t have the right to live where their parents once lived but you accept the right of a Russian jew who never set foot in Palestine to live there... this is a flagrant contradiction.

Arab Palestians immigrate to Israel, and so do Russian Jews.

You say that the new generations of Jews don’t have the right to live where
their parents once lived but you accept the right of an Arab Muslim who never set foot in Saudi Arabia to live there... this is a flagrant contradiction.

You mean that one fact is false as long as the other fact is true. Contradictions mean two facts are mutually exclusive. There are two facts here. Help me understand which fact precludes the other.

Jews have the right to return to a place they have never been.

A right to return to a place one has never been? How the hell do you do that, exactly?

Mr Comrade... I never fought the jews, never did them any harm. Why do you blame me for the actions of others? Why do you think I and my children don’t have the right to live where I was born?

Dear dead dude.




Why don't you answer me about the rights that non-Jews are supposed to lack in Isreal. It's the fifth time I've asked this question.

 

[dilloduck]

"The first group of our fifth column consists of those who abandon their houses and businesses and go to live elsewhere. . . . At the first sign of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle."
- Ash Shalab (Jaffa newspaper), January 30, 1948



All these people are all dead now. History grants us their statements and if you want to pick two and show how they contradict, well there you go. Pick two, quote them, and we'll say... gee, they contradict. Your opinion, and mine, what's the point? Stick to the data and we'll move this ball forward.



Doesn't the quoted text spell this out already? The answer is a very resolute NO.



Arab Palestians immigrate to Israel, and so do Russian Jews.



You mean that one fact is false as long as the other fact is true. Contradictions mean two facts are mutually exclusive. There are two facts here. Help me understand which fact precludes the other.



A right to return to a place one has never been? How the hell do you do that, exactly?



Dear dead dude.




Why don't you answer me about the rights that non-Jews are supposed to lack in Isreal. It's the fifth time I've asked this question.

they lack the opportunity (right) to ever become a majority.

 

[Comrade]

Comrade-----I re-posted this as you apparently failed to read it 3 times.
Can you and AJ discuss this without the insults?

I didn't insult you, I demanded an answer. And now I thank you for a specific for debate. You start by giving a link because I've done all the linking and I'm not going to find a link which proves or disproves this. I want you to do the legwork, you OWE US THAT. Link this claim and we'll discuss.

 

[dilloduck]

Hey long hair, you never answered my question. I asked you twice about what specific rights non-Jewish citizens are supposed to lack in Israel that Jewish citizens enjoy, but you took another hit again, didn't ya? Ya damn hippie, it's all your fault.

But pass me that joint and we'll forget about it!

This is not a personal attack?

 

[Comrade]

This is not a personal attack?

So Jerry Garcia is not a long haired hippy, or doesn't smoke pot?

This was after talking about the Dead show "Hey long hair" and "Ya" tonality was friendly banter. If I start cussing and say YOU BASTARD instead you can assume I was attacking you. Anyway, got the link?

 

[ajwps]

The goal of Israel is to maintian a jewish majority in government and it does so by implementing racially discriminating immigration laws. No minority can ever hope to achieve a powerful position in Israel. Jews are allowed to enter by right of return. What hope does a minority have with this immigration policy. You may consider this immigration policy "necessary yet it is what makes a mockery of your democracy.

Actually it appears that you are making a mockery of the word Democracy.

You must then consider every Democratic country a mockery of itself. You ask what a (murderous) minority hopes to gain by becoming the only surviving majority once they have destroyed any democracy.

Why didn't America just open the doors during the Cold War to 300,000,000 Russians who, by your theory of Democracy, had every right to immigrate to America? Why doesn't George W. Bush open the door to every Taliban or Al-Qeida terrorist who wants to immigrate to the USA?

It is appears that the only mockery on this site is you.

Don't you want to immigrate to another democracy like Syria where you can be among your own kind?

 

[dilloduck]

So Jerry Garcia is not a long haired hippy, or doesn't smoke pot?

This was after talking about the Dead show "Hey long hair" and "Ya" tonality was friendly banter. If I start cussing and say YOU BASTARD instead you can assume I was attacking you. Anyway, got the link?

Assuming me to be like my avatar is a mistake however moving on--what type of link will you accept--I'm also tired of providing links that are dismissed as propaganda.

 

[ajwps]

Assuming me to be like my avatar is a mistake however moving on--what type of link will you accept--I'm also tired of providing links that are dismissed as propaganda.

As far as I am concerned your avatar fits you to a tee. Why do think others are not also tired of your provided propaganda links? Are you unable to post your personal opinion of what constitutes the lack of every Israeli citizen to all the rights and benefits of others? Is it that you are unable to think for yourself instead of posting Arab oriented sites?

Are you a democrat or an ancephalic?